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Gemme
11-18-2012, 09:56 PM
I'm still learning how to buy clothes for my butch. I went to buy some summer clothes for her back in May. Since she buys her clothes in the men's department, i thought well, that's easy. Heck i raised two boys so i thought i knew how to buy "men's" clothes.
But, because she likes those long shorts and i wasn't quite sure about sizes and styles, what i got originally didn't work.
The shorts i got were too big and too baggy and came down way past her knees, actually just above her ankles, and the shirt was stripped and way too long and came down almost to her knees as well. OMG she looked like a 7 year old school boy. It was funny and cute as hell, but didn't work. She's probably gonna kill me for typing about this.
I totally failed my first try. I did take them back. Size is very important and style is HUGE with the results of how it looks on a butch. Not just anything works.
I'm getting better but it is truly a learning experience.
Edit: Just realized this is the butch zone. Pardon me if i am intruding. I suppose the name should have given me a head's up. But, i'm really tired, so forgive me.
Until you get the hang of it and can eyeball things better, put a comfy pair of Bully's shorts on. Shirt too. See how they fit YOU and then, when you go shopping, if you see something you really like, if nothing else you can try it on and see how it hangs in comparison to how her current comfy clothes hang on you. It's like warming up the car for her, but with panties involved!
princessbelle
11-18-2012, 10:00 PM
Until you get the hang of it and can eyeball things better, put a comfy pair of Bully's shorts on. Shirt too. See how they fit YOU and then, when you go shopping, if you see something you really like, if nothing else you can try it on and see how it hangs in comparison to how her current comfy clothes hang on you. It's like warming up the car for her, but with panties involved!
Ohhhhhhhh what a good idea. I'm thinking that may be fun too. While i'm at it i may even practice that swagger. I'm thinking it is all in the clothes.
But, she don't wear panties silly!!!!!
Gemme
11-18-2012, 10:03 PM
Ohhhhhhhh what a good idea. I'm thinking that may be fun too.
But, she don't wear panties silly!!!!!
Not panties for HER, goofball. YOUR panties. In HER clothes. Hotness right there.
See, this is how it goes:
Bully, I got something for you today.
Yeah? What is it, beautiful love of my life?
I got you a couple things that should fit marvelously. What do you think?
<--as you wander aimlessly in with her outfit on you
This works especially best if it's more formal attire and there's a tie involved.
Just sayin'.
:eyebat:
I'm still learning how to buy clothes for my butch. I went to buy some summer clothes for her back in May. Since she buys her clothes in the men's department, i thought well, that's easy. Heck i raised two boys so i thought i knew how to buy "men's" clothes.
But, because she likes those long shorts and i wasn't quite sure about sizes and styles, what i got originally didn't work.
The shorts i got were too big and too baggy and came down way past her knees, actually just above her ankles, and the shirt was stripped and way too long and came down almost to her knees as well. OMG she looked like a 7 year old school boy. It was funny and cute as hell, but didn't work. She's probably gonna kill me for typing about this.
I totally failed my first try. I did take them back. Size is very important and style is HUGE with the results of how it looks on a butch. Not just anything works.
I'm getting better but it is truly a learning experience.
This is sooo true. Stay tuned, I'm going to put together something on 'reconnaissance' shopping for butches. Ironically the way I do it was an offshoot of watching my ex from several years ago shop for her young son.
Since gender specific dressing rooms can be as much fun for a lot of butches as the restroom experience, I don't go there unless it's a pretty sure bet that most of what I try on is going to work. Bona fide system, I won't spoil the surprise just yet, (there will be pictures) but it works well for butches AND those who shop for them, just in time for the holidays.
:cheesy:
princessbelle
11-18-2012, 10:08 PM
Not panties for HER, goofball. YOUR panties. In HER clothes. Hotness right there.
See, this is how it goes:
Bully, I got something for you today.
Yeah? What is it, beautiful love of my life?
I got you a couple things that should fit marvelously. What do you think?
<--as you wander aimlessly in with her outfit on you
This works especially best if it's more formal attire and there's a tie involved.
Just sayin'.
:eyebat:
No wonder i adore you!!! Works even better with one of her white dress shirts and no bi-panty involvement.
This is sooo true. Stay tuned, I'm going to put together something on 'reconnaissance' shopping for butches. Ironically the way I do it was an offshoot of watching my ex from several years ago shop for her young son.
Since gender specific dressing rooms can be as much fun for a lot of butches as the restroom experience, I don't go there unless it's a pretty sure bet that most of what I try on is going to work. Bona fide system, I won't spoil the surprise just yet, (there will be pictures) but it works well for butches AND those who shop for them, just in time for the holidays.
:cheesy:
Wonderful!!!!! I look forward to seeing it!!!!
I am getting way better. I know to look for shorter shirts, shorter shorts, even though they are long when she wears them. No stripes. And the best shirts i've found are polo ...those rock!!!! And are hot!!!!
Did i mention they are hot?
Gemme
11-18-2012, 10:19 PM
No wonder i adore you!!! Works even better with one of her white dress shirts and no bi-panty involvement.
Now you're cookin'!
This is sooo true. Stay tuned, I'm going to put together something on 'reconnaissance' shopping for butches. Ironically the way I do it was an offshoot of watching my ex from several years ago shop for her young son.
Since gender specific dressing rooms can be as much fun for a lot of butches as the restroom experience, I don't go there unless it's a pretty sure bet that most of what I try on is going to work. Bona fide system, I won't spoil the surprise just yet, (there will be pictures) but it works well for butches AND those who shop for them, just in time for the holidays.
:cheesy:
Looking forward to it... :)
I would say this is shopping for butches, but the truth is it will work for anyone.
The idea mentioned earlier of wearing someone else's clothes and then trying to replicate the feel of them is pretty good, but I think we can get it even closer.
What I have found works well (and quickly) for me is to measure it out ahead of time. Sizes on labels vary widely and the sad truth is that the more expensive the garment the more likely it is to show a 'vanity' size on the label.
I take an item that I know fits me, or whoever you are shopping for, very well and measure the heck out of it in the places that matter. I measure it as I would find it on the hanger or laid out, this is step one to figure out whether or not it is worth trying on. For more fitted items, I highly recommend going through the hassle of trying on because it is less hassle than returning it later if there is something not quite exactly the way you want it. For more casual maybe less form fitting or made of more relaxed fabrics, this may be enough. Try it yourself and find out. If you are shopping for someone else, I would say get the things that are a little less particular or plan for the possibility of a little tweak at the tailor, which may be needed anyway.
Take down these measurements:
Shirts:
Neck. Really critical if it is to be worn with a tie, otherwise up to 1 inch extra, closer is better for overall hang. Take this measurement with it buttoned all the way up. Applies to other necks as well, crew, vee, polo, etc.
Shoulder seam to seam, the more accurate this is the better the whole thing will look with the understanding that you are working with a known good fit item otherwise things like different sizes of chests and hips can change all that.
Across the bottom of the shirt where the hips will hit. This depends on if it will be worn out or tucked in. If out, it needs to be larger, if tucked you can get away with some spread at the bottom because it will be tucked in.
Sleeve, 4 different measurements here. From shoulder seam to end of cuff, this is a really fast elimination tool if you are looking hanging shirts, if there is no shoulder seam, go with the traditional center of neck to end of cuff, still quick.
For short sleeves, measure that too for a couple of reasons. If you are in a mens section usually they are made for someone generally taller most bio females so the sleeves are longer. If it is a sewn end at the sleeve, it can be hemmed shorter. If you are like me and don't really like showing off your upper arms too much you want to make sure they are long enough, you can't lengthen them. When I was heavier than I am now I also wanted to measure the width of the bottom of the sleeve so that it would not bind, especially on polos, if it is an issue look for sleeves that are not banded.
Overall length, from the base of the neck to the very bottom.
Especially important on things like polo shirts, these can be way too long in mens, it might work better to try women's (it's basically the same thing, although the color choices are different) or, for myself with knit tops I have good luck in the boys area, the overall length and sleeve length work well for my type. And a heck of a lot cheaper too!
I know these lists seem onerous from the outside, but you only have to do it once or whenever you have a size change. It really narrows things down quickly to the most likely candidates.
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Okay, onto pants:
Again, quick on the hanger or table stuff here
Inseam, if it says 32 it probably is. OR, your out thrifting or going vintage and it shrank so now it is really 29 (seriously, Levis 501's shrink 3 inches in length). Think about this when buying new too, will it shrink? What is the real inseam you want? On that note, hemming is a really inexpensive alteration ($12-$14) if you just found some really great wool trousers for $10 in a vintage shop that would be $100 new somewhere.
Rise, how far from the crotch to the waistband? You will probably have 3 different choices, dress pants and trousers, jeans, and shorts or other casual wear.
Waist, side to side. This will be affected by rise, the lower the waist, (shorter rise) on bio women that usually translates into a wider waist size.
Hip, side to side. I usually find the lower pocket attachment point and measure there. If it is too snug there the pocket will usually gap some which means that on dress pants it will show the pocket lining. Big no.
Special note on shorts, be sure to measure the inseam on these too, as with shirt sleeves, if in a mens department they are made for usually taller people. If they are fairly plain they can be hemmed, no big deal. If they are cargo shorts or have other embellishments, deal breaker. Here is a tip I discovered by accident. For cargo shorts with a shorter inseam try marine clothes. No kidding, I guess the yachting set likes their shorts about three inches shorter. They are the perfect length for me, try Marine West or OP.
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So, a couple of other things I do to minimize the pain. Have this list of measurements in your wallet or phone and keep an tape measure in the car. I also have my tailors price list with me. I took a picture of it and keep it in my phone.
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This way, when I am out if I spot a really good deal on something I need (especially thrifting) I can decide if it is still a great deal after I have paid for whatever tweak it needs to make it just right, sleeve shortening on long sleeves that are split is more than short sleeves, maybe you need a little more room at the bottom of a shirt that is going to be tucked in, add a gusset? If you have the price list handy you can see what the total cost will really be. I have damn near everything tweaked a little here or there, but still save a ton of money this way.
Also, go ahead and keep a list of what you need in your wallet or phone. When you are looking in your closet you may think ‘I could really use a dark blue button down’ but when you are in a shop with someone or just passing by it is easy to forget what is really going to fill in the gaps in the wardrobe vs what looks cool right now. I usually have a list of three or four things on hand and it helps me remember to go ahead and look for that thing, both filling the spots and not wasting money on yet another thing that doesn’t go with anything else.
I don’t really care for shopping and this helps take the sting out by getting me real tangible results when I do go. Now that it is written out, it looks like a lot of trouble to go to, it isn’t, it is actually easier. If you are shopping for someone else you will have a much better chance of getting something that will fit right and be really appreciated by the person you are doing it for.
So, fill in the blanks. Tell me your tips and tricks. I’ve probably forgotten a few things and will come back when I remember.
DapperButch
11-19-2012, 09:23 PM
Size is very important and style is HUGE with the results of how it looks on a butch. Not just anything works
I agree. But, I think that it is less about a person being "butch" and more of a body type. Bio females tend to have various body shapes. Some have curves, while some don't. Men typically don't, but not all butches are shaped like men (minimal hips). I would suggest that when one shops in the men's department for bio females, that their body shape is taken into account, as not just any style will work for every female.
Gemme
11-19-2012, 09:32 PM
Kelt, those tips are really good and you've obviously put a lot of thought into it. The set up for the different styles of shirts, etc would be a pain (as you mentioned) but having the list in the car or purse would be handy because you never know when you'll find something for someone but wouldn't know if it would fit.
That being said, I'll stick with my old fashioned eyeball and/or how does it fit me? methods because then that means I get to wear my honey's clothes for a "real" reason aka NOT "I like it and I'm stealing it".
:)
dykeumentary
11-19-2012, 10:09 PM
Thanks Kelt, for taking the time to write that out. It's really great when people wear clothes that fit well.
This company will custom tailor a suit, shirt, slacks, to your specifications.
They also have a fabric sample kit that you can order. Similar to Brooks Brothers quality but without the similar price tag.
Indochino (http://www.indochino.com/Suits)
This bike jacket is purely fun. On a Harley or off:
Rumble leather (http://www.harley-davidson.com/mcm/mcm_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444877980 5&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374309314864&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374309314864&locale=en_US&bmUID=1353401359238&bmLocale=en_US)
DapperButch
11-20-2012, 07:43 AM
Thanks Kelt, for taking the time to write that out. It's really great when people wear clothes that fit well.
Yes, nothing bothers more than when the shoulder seams do not sit on the top of the shoulder and instead lands past the top of the shoulder moving down the arm. For some reason people never pay attention to this. My clothing pet peeve and something I watch for when buying clothes.
As Gemme said, I am pretty good at holding up a garment to see whether it will "hang right" (as I tend to describe it for some reason). I can fortunately buy off the rack pretty damn easily and don't have to get anything tailored.
"Hanging right" relates to how the neck of the shirt looks, as it can tell me how the entire shirt will look on my frame. If the neck appears to look ok (not too large on both casual and ress shirts), I will typically try the shirt on, just to make sure that it fits across my chest in the way that I deem flattering (i.e. it is not tight against my chest/my chest is not very visible).
Calvin Klein is where I tend to go for all my dress/work clothes. The shirts fit good for my neck, shoulder seam, and arm length. There is a Calvin Klein outlet near the beach where we frequent in the summer, so I just shop there. I also still have about 7 dress shirts that are 8 years old that still looks great from Express. They are perfect in arm length, also.
In terms of dress pants, I can buy right off the rack as well, due to having a more typical male shape. Of course, some styles of dress pants fit better than others, however.
When it comes to casual clothes, I buy various brands. Jeans, I have no problem as long as I get the right style. For cargo shorts, it seems as though they are now making them longer. However, I have found at some places (Old Navy, specifically), you have a choice of longer or shorter cargo shorts. I get the shorter because the longer are too long (and look dumb)since I am only 5'8". I can see how it would be even harder for shorter females who wear men's shorts. I tend to choose short length based on where it falls against my leg...there is a certain range that I believe is most attractive and anything below that just looks dumb/unattractive on me.
No doubt a tuck here and there by a tailor could improve the fit of my clothes, but honestly, that is too much hassle for me for everyday wear. For casual clothing I wouldn't even consider it...I would just pass on the item!
One more thing...dressing rooms...fortunately for the places I buy both my dress and casual clothes (outlets), they have gender neutral dressing rooms. If I was in a regular department store, I would probably find myself bringing a lot more stuff home to try!
Nice discussion! Thanks for the information Kelt.
princessbelle
11-20-2012, 07:56 AM
Thank you Kelt!!!!! We sorta did do some of this already, especially the length from the shoulder seam to the bottom of the shirt. But i didn't think about the arm length and stuff. I'll update my list.
My mom sews so it is comforting that she can take a pair of Bully's sweat pants, for instance, and hem them up. It's hard to find Bully's exact inseam in the men's department. I was shocked to find that the men's department doesn't have a petite department. That's just dumb.
The shape or style is critical and i've learned you have to "allow room" if it is buttoned up the front.
Like Gemme said, you get better at it the more you do it. The last couple of things i've bought for her actually fit.
Trial and error. Just like anything, practice makes perfect.
Thanks for allowing those of us who buy clothes for our butches, to chime in.
I appreciate it!!!!
I like these
Stacy Adams - Gallant (http://www.zappos.com/product/7918796/color/20)
and these...
Johnston & Murphy Cap Lace Up (http://www.zappos.com/johnston-murphy-dobson-cap-lace-up-black?zlfid=111&recoName=zap_pdp_similar)
and these
Cole Haan - Air Kilgore Bit (http://www.zappos.com/cole-haan-air-kilgore-bit-black-nappa)
and I need these
Cole Haan Air Giovanni Penny
(http://www.zappos.com/cole-haan-air-giovanni-penny-dark-brown)
Medusa
11-20-2012, 09:47 AM
Hey Belle!
I buy clothes for my Butch!
Jack is mostly able to wear clothing right off the rack with the occasional cuff hem and such for length. She wears men's clothes exclusively.
I will say that fit is not exclusive to gender. People of every gender have to be mindful of body shape. I've seen people of all genders wear things that may not be as suited to their body shape, especially if they are pear-shaped, have a very long torso, very short legs, etc.
Jack is long and lean, but I don't consider (and neither does she) her shape to be "typically male". She's a woman and her body is just long and lean. :)
We've had very good luck with certain brands fitting her body shape better than others. One of the coolest things is that we found that the "George" brand from Wal-Mart actually makes a nice suit pant that fits her almost perfectly. Other brands that we've found that fit her well are Calvin Klein and Hugo Boss. I think these brands have a lot of options with very slim cuts and these seem to suit her shape very well!
WEE!
Love
Mezlan Bravo (http://www.zappos.com/mezlan-bravo-black)
Need these
Harley Davidson Ranger (http://www.zappos.com/harley-davidson-ranger-black)
BullDog
11-20-2012, 10:05 AM
I hate to shop, so I am lucky that Belle does.
My body type is not easy to shop for, no matter what department.
dykeumentary
11-20-2012, 10:10 AM
I love fashion! I even go over to Manhattan during Fashion Week to "outfit watch" with my September Vogue, so this thread is fun.
I work in construction, so during the week my clothes are covered in caulk, glue, paint, schmutz and dreck of various types. Also, I play sports, where loose-fitting clothes with big numbers on the back are required. So when I go out on weekends, I like to wear nice things that fit and look good.
Sometimes when I see other butches at clubs, I get sad/confused. From what they are wearing, I wonder if they are trying to give the impression "Hey, I don't care!" or if they are trying to "dress up" like a manual laborer. I have a problem with both those scenarios: I think it is important to "care". Also, I resent when my livelihood is fetishized/sexualized in that way.
princessbelle
11-20-2012, 10:30 AM
Hey Belle!
I buy clothes for my Butch!
Jack is mostly able to wear clothing right off the rack with the occasional cuff hem and such for length. She wears men's clothes exclusively.
I will say that fit is not exclusive to gender. People of every gender have to be mindful of body shape. I've seen people of all genders wear things that may not be as suited to their body shape, especially if they are pear-shaped, have a very long torso, very short legs, etc.
Jack is long and lean, but I don't consider (and neither does she) her shape to be "typically male". She's a woman and her body is just long and lean. :)
We've had very good luck with certain brands fitting her body shape better than others. One of the coolest things is that we found that the "George" brand from Wal-Mart actually makes a nice suit pant that fits her almost perfectly. Other brands that we've found that fit her well are Calvin Klein and Hugo Boss. I think these brands have a lot of options with very slim cuts and these seem to suit her shape very well!
WEE!
Great!!! I did buy Bully a Calvin Klein polo shirt a few months back that fit perfectly. I'll have to check out the other ones you listed.
I agree of course that everyone has "fit" issues. No matter the gender, that's a given. Since i'm new to buying men's clothes for Bully, there are certainly different challenges than what i have been used to. They are made to fit men. Someone should come out with a butch line of clothes, if they haven't already. Lengths, including arm length, shoulder width, tightness around the chest, etc has been a real learning experience for me.
I will definitely check out those brands you listed. As a matter of fact today is a shopping day!! Hooray!!!
Thanks for the tip!!!
macele
11-20-2012, 12:12 PM
Great!!! I did buy Bully a Calvin Klein polo shirt a few months back that fit perfectly. I'll have to check out the other ones you listed.
I agree of course that everyone has "fit" issues. No matter the gender, that's a given. Since i'm new to buying men's clothes for Bully, there are certainly different challenges than what i have been used to. They are made to fit men. Someone should come out with a butch line of clothes, if they haven't already. Lengths, including arm length, shoulder width, tightness around the chest, etc has been a real learning experience for me.
I will definitely check out those brands you listed. As a matter of fact today is a shopping day!! Hooray!!!
Thanks for the tip!!!
i've wanted for a long time to have my own line of butch clothing. and have the coolest t shirts, like, "i love the slope of a curve". you know, reba mcentire has her own clothes. rob kardashian has his own sock line. socks! there's something else that doesn't always fit me right.
I really like this
http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/c/0/0/42/c/AAAADGqJSaYAAAAAAELFig.jpg?v=1239677121000
Paired with a great pair of Leather Levi's
http://www.501usa.com/images/leather/Levis_505_leather.jpg
ruffryder
11-20-2012, 04:53 PM
I want one of these jacket vests preferably with a zip on hood.
Where can I get one , good priced?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4891285645624293&pid=1.7
I want one of these jacket vests preferably with a zip on hood.
Where can I get one , good priced?
Hey ruff,
Check the company website to see where they sell their clothing.
Also check Ebay, a lot of retailers sell new clothing through there.
DapperButch
11-20-2012, 06:46 PM
Great!!! I did buy Bully a Calvin Klein polo shirt a few months back that fit perfectly. I'll have to check out the other ones you listed.
I agree of course that everyone has "fit" issues. No matter the gender, that's a given. Since i'm new to buying men's clothes for Bully, there are certainly different challenges than what i have been used to. They are made to fit men. Someone should come out with a butch line of clothes, if they haven't already. Lengths, including arm length, shoulder width, tightness around the chest, etc has been a real learning experience for me.
I will definitely check out those brands you listed. As a matter of fact today is a shopping day!! Hooray!!!
Thanks for the tip!!!
That is something I alluded to earlier, but didn't say clearly. I have found that if one item of a certain brand fits me, other items might, too. Like I said earlier, Calvin Klein works for my dress clothes. Sleeve length is the biggest barrier for me when it comes to dress clothes and Calvin Klein fits the bill.
I like things to be really simple. I like to get in and get out. I find a brand or two that fits my build and then can feel confident in buying. No doubt this isn't for sure in all cases, but it is something to stick in the back of your mind after finding something that works for you. Since the Calvin Klein polo shirt fit Bully so well, belle, you may want to not only go back to Calvin Klein when you need another polo shirt, but consider if the rest of the clothing line would fit her well, too.
ETA: I saw one or two butch clothing lines on the web before. One, was custom made clothing...ummmm, no. The other had only a handle of pieces, none of which I was attracted to. I think we are still waiting...
DapperButch
11-20-2012, 06:55 PM
I like these
Stacy Adams - Gallant (http://www.zappos.com/product/7918796/color/20)
I like these a lot. I think it is difficult to find an attractive brown for belts and shoes, and I like this one.
In terms of shape I love them as well, but they are a bit long. They would make my feet appear to big. I am not sure how to make this make sense...one can have a similar style of shoe (and I do), but it not look as elongated as this. The elongation is what does not look attractive on me.
princessbelle
11-20-2012, 06:57 PM
That is something I alluded to earlier, but didn't say clearly. I have found that if one item of a certain brand fits me, other items might, too. Like I said earlier, Calvin Klein works for my dress clothes. Sleeve length is the biggest barrier for me when it comes to dress clothes and Calvin Klein fits the bill.
I like things to be really simple. I like to get in and get out. I find a brand or two that fits my build and then can feel confident in buying. No doubt this isn't for sure in all cases, but it is something to stick in the back of your mind after finding something that works for you. Since the Calvin Klein polo shirt fit Bully so well, belle, you may want to not only go back to Calvin Klein when you need another polo shirt, but consider if the rest of the clothing line would fit her well, too.
ETA: I saw one or two butch clothing lines on the web before. One, was custom made clothing...ummmm, no. The other had only a handle of pieces, none of which I was attracted to. I think we are still waiting...
Well we could start one (Butch/TG/FtM clothing line). All of us!!! Like a family business. I started knitting tonight and i've learned how to do a cast stitch. Heck i'm almost a pro.
I'll make the sweaters.
Honestly, it ain't a bad idea. We could get that island Medusa wants and all live together.
Happily ever after.
No wonder i adore you!!! Works even better with one of her white dress shirts and no bi-panty involvement.
Wonderful!!!!! I look forward to seeing it!!!!
I am getting way better. I know to look for shorter shirts, shorter shorts, even though they are long when she wears them. No stripes. And the best shirts i've found are polo ...those rock!!!! And are hot!!!!
Did i mention they are hot?
hey belle..I love Polo shirts..and have several in solid colors...NO stripes for me either. I pair mine with either jeans (black or blue) and cargo shorts. I like mine in shorter length as well. I am 5'9" and I do not like them to be mid calf..lol
I LURVE this thread.....thanks to all of you..I lurk here..often...:)
That is something I alluded to earlier, but didn't say clearly. I have found that if one item of a certain brand fits me, other items might, too. Like I said earlier, Calvin Klein works for my dress clothes. Sleeve length is the biggest barrier for me when it comes to dress clothes and Calvin Klein fits the bill.
I like things to be really simple. I like to get in and get out. I find a brand or two that fits my build and then can feel confident in buying. No doubt this isn't for sure in all cases, but it is something to stick in the back of your mind after finding something that works for you. Since the Calvin Klein polo shirt fit Bully so well, belle, you may want to not only go back to Calvin Klein when you need another polo shirt, but consider if the rest of the clothing line would fit her well, too.
ETA: I saw one or two butch clothing lines on the web before. One, was custom made clothing...ummmm, no. The other had only a handle of pieces, none of which I was attracted to. I think we are still waiting...
Some Calving Klein button down shirts work for me too. The sleeve lengths can be challenging for me with many brands. CK t-shirts I have had good luck with. Fitted button downs wind up becoming an option and the Mens Wearhouse always has sleeve lengths that work for me.
Jeans were a problem in the past but with so many low rise options they are the least of my concern now.
I like these a lot. I think it is difficult to find an attractive brown for belts and shoes, and I like this one.
In terms of shape I love them as well, but they are a bit long. They would make my feet appear to big. I am not sure how to make this make sense...one can have a similar style of shoe (and I do), but it not look as elongated as this. The elongation is what does not look attractive on me.
I have a pair just like this, same style and color but different manufacturer.
What I found is that they are sized well so I would say give them a try and if they do not work for you, you can always return them. Zappo's is great about returns.
This color is hard to match with a belt. I am still looking.
ruffryder
11-20-2012, 07:20 PM
Hey ruff,
Check the company website to see where they sell their clothing.
Also check Ebay, a lot of retailers sell new clothing through there.
Thanks Sun. I wasn't looking for that specific brand. Guess I should have noted that. Hell Kmart, Walmart, Target is good by me. I just like that type of vest jacket. I've noticed it on some guys and I like it! I'll do a search on vest jacket and go from there but if anyone seen them at any stores holla at me. Thanks!
laruss
11-20-2012, 08:14 PM
- The Butch Clothing Company - Wedding suits for gay women
www.thebutchclothingcompany.co.uk/
HAUTEBUTCH ~ Fierce Butch Fashions
www.hautebutch.com/
BÜTCH Clothing Co | Archive | Butch Clothing Co
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Women's Clothes that look like Men's Clothes
www.karouselmag.com
www.theprofessorisin.com/
www.zazzle.com/butch+tshirts
www.butchwonders.com/1/category/clothes/1.html
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I really like this
Affliction T (http://fighterxfashion.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/affliction-leben-shirt.jpg)
with these
Deisel Jeans (http://www.tradinginthebox.com/UploadFile/apparel/jeans/diesel/95.jpg)
and these
Harness Boots (http://vongutenbergcouture.com/images/P/Harness-ble-01.jpg)
and this
Bracelet (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hLabuMBF32Y/UCYEyU5POtI/AAAAAAAAAAU/Vk4Eo8mYnAY/s220/mssbr1005.jpg)
I have this and it is one of my favorite pieces of clothing. Really nice smooth, soft cotton. Lightweight enough for hot summer days or steamy nights in front of a roaring fire with someone who is raising the temperature in the room. ;)
Polo Robe (http://www.thestorehouse.com.au/wp-content/uploads/store/products/thumbnails/86400194265842.jpg)
HAUTEBUTCH ~ Fierce Butch Fashions
www.hautebutch.com/
I appreciate the links and want to comment on this one.
They lost me on the first intro line:
"Hautebutch defines the Butch aesthetic and lifestyle"
I do not think that any company should assume to be able to do
just that. Rather I think that individualism is sexy and attractive.
Duchess
12-10-2012, 08:24 PM
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Metro
12-17-2012, 08:50 AM
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My boots for a snowy day like today... since my feet are too small to wear Men's shoes, I shop in the Boys dept at Marshall's. Found these there - yay.
My boots for a snowy day like today... since my feet are too small to wear Men's shoes, I shop in the Boys dept at Marshall's. Found these there - yay.
Hey Metro these look great.
I also have feet that make it so that I can't shop the mens shoe department because I come in at a women's size 8ish which translates into a EU 39-40 or a mens 7 and the stores only stock down to a size 8.
I don't know your shoe size, but my whole shoe world (fetish) changed when Zappos.com (http://www.zappos.com/mens-shoes) opened. I can now shop literally thousands of mens shoes online and their customer experience is fantastic. Depending on brand, I frequently see down to a size 6 and most half sizes too.
One thing that I did at first was read a lot of the reviews to see what people said about fit. Sometimes a manufacturer runs a half size small or something like that. I also wear orthotics and have to buy shoes that can accommodate that. Not much of a problem, I have settled into about 4 really large companies that offer a lot of range in style and meet my needs in my price range. Shoe shopping has gone from pain in the arse to hella fun. :cheesy:
Metro
12-17-2012, 10:09 AM
Hey Metro these look great.
I also have feet that make it so that I can't shop the mens shoe department because I come in at a women's size 8ish which translates into a EU 39-40 or a mens 7 and the stores only stock down to a size 8.
I don't know your shoe size, but my whole shoe world (fetish) changed when Zappos.com (http://www.zappos.com/mens-shoes) opened. I can now shop literally thousands of mens shoes online and their customer experience is fantastic. Depending on brand, I frequently see down to a size 6 and most half sizes too.
One thing that I did at first was read a lot of the reviews to see what people said about fit. Sometimes a manufacturer runs a half size small or something like that. I also wear orthotics and have to buy shoes that can accommodate that. Not much of a problem, I have settled into about 4 really large companies that offer a lot of range in style and meet my needs in my price range. Shoe shopping has gone from pain in the arse to hella fun. :cheesy:
Thx, Kelt. Yes, I also shop online from time-to-time but sometimes just prefer to try on w/out the wait. To add to your suggestion, I enjoy Aldoshoes.com (they also have retail stores) and they offer many Mens styles in smaller sizes. I wear US Womens size 7; Euro 37-1/2 or 38 ... a size really hard to find in Mens styles. So, sometimes I can find that size or just end up trying the Boys dept for shoes with the appropriate proportion -- altho some Boys shoes look too baby/chunky for my taste.
Nadeest
01-05-2013, 09:39 PM
I found an article about clothing designed for butches. Apparently, there are several companies opening up that are designed for butch women, trans men, and other interested parties. This article mentions the three biggest ones. From what I read in the article, these three companies are doing business suits and formal wear. Hopefully, this helps a person or three out, here. http://www.butchwonders.com/1/post/2013/01/clothes-designed-for-butches-yes-really.html
I don't know your shoe size, but my whole shoe world (fetish) changed when Zappos.com (http://www.zappos.com/mens-shoes) opened. I can now shop literally thousands of mens shoes online and their customer experience is fantastic. Depending on brand, I frequently see down to a size 6 and most half sizes too.
<snip> Shoe shopping has gone from pain in the arse to hella fun. :cheesy:
Hiya Kelt
I also love Zappos. They have excellent customer service and a fabulous selection. If the size is off the return shipping is free. As crazy as it is, I lust after shoes and boots.
And a Harley.
LOL
When I shop online I get annoyed when the company does not list the content of fabric. I like to know what the fabric is made of. Especially if its something like boxer briefs. A percentage of lycra or spandex is useful sometimes and other times I want 100% cotton. Some items, such as dress shirts have fabric content listed as a norm. Not sure whats up lately with some other items.
http://s1.onlineshoes.com/images/br079/316790_366_45.jpg
Steve Madden Troopah (http://www.zappos.com/steve-madden-troopah-brown-leather)
Loving the vintage feel.
I just spent a ridiculous amount of time looking for a Harley Davidson wallet with chain that I own, online and realized that they no longer make my model. Wow real genius here.
Interesting however, there are a ton of knockoffs online.
Scary.
The real deal = quality of the leather & the quality of the high gloss chrome chain is unmistakable. Hot.
Shopping for a bike I am in a Harley mood...
love this shirt (http://www.harley-davidson.com/mcm/mcm_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444877895 2&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302293293&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302293293&CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198674778881&locale=en_US&bmUID=1358480887903&bmLocale=en_US)
TheMerryFairy
01-17-2013, 09:54 PM
Shopping for a bike I am in a Harley mood...
love this shirt (http://www.harley-davidson.com/mcm/mcm_product.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444877895 2&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302293293&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=2534374302293293&CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198674778881&locale=en_US&bmUID=1358480887903&bmLocale=en_US)
Are you ACTUALLY getting a bike? There's nothing quite like that feeling. Hot!
TheMerryFairy
01-17-2013, 09:57 PM
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DapperButch
01-17-2013, 09:59 PM
I just spent a ridiculous amount of time looking for a Harley Davidson wallet with chain that I own, online and realized that they no longer make my model. Wow real genius here.
Interesting however, there are a ton of knockoffs online.
Scary.
The real deal = quality of the leather & the quality of the high gloss chrome chain is unmistakable. Hot.
I would watch eBay to see if one becomes available. Since it is no longer made, people probably are selling them.
TheMerryFairy
01-17-2013, 10:00 PM
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TheMerryFairy
01-17-2013, 10:06 PM
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Duchess
01-30-2013, 09:35 PM
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Duchess
01-31-2013, 11:51 PM
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DapperButch
02-01-2013, 06:16 AM
I love the top pair of boots.
The first pair of shoes...that style makes my foot look too long. Which is different than too big. It is just the elongation that does not look good on me.
I spent a ridiculous amount of time cruising the shoes at Nordstrom yesterday. *sigh* I may be a shoe whore after all *smirk*
There are worse things, I suppose.
Cant resist well crafted, quality Italian leather.
nycfem
02-02-2013, 08:57 AM
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GraffitiBoi
02-14-2013, 11:54 AM
Happy to see this article in Curve Magazine!
http://www.curvemag.com/Curve-Magazine/Web-Articles-2011/A-Tailored-Life/
All I have to say is:
The shoe department at Nordstrom.
Dance-with-me
03-04-2013, 08:13 AM
Just read this about a new clothing line - Tomboy Exchange. Check them out, perhaps even consider contributing to their kickstarter!
http://tomboyexchange.com/
Duchess
03-25-2013, 01:58 PM
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macele
03-25-2013, 02:37 PM
kd has had several hair styles that i've liked. she's got the butch attire and fashion going on. there's no one like her. unique. original.
Ascot
03-25-2013, 03:11 PM
That's another good thing about turning 50. A couple pieces I've had since college are still in great, if slightly shopworn in a charming way shape and are now considered vintage. I find it quite amusing and great fun. The one that most comes to mind is a brownish, full length, herringbone tweed overcoat from Brooks Brothers. Every time I see that narrow, silk, navy blue label with the yellow script my heart melts a little.
*Anya*
07-08-2013, 04:57 AM
NY TIMES July 2, 2013
By E. ALEX JUNG
Elaine David and Joy Evans were set to be married in Kauai, Hawaii, in April, but they had a problem: Ms. David didn’t know where she was going to get the vest and pants she wanted. Finding a wedding dress had been easy enough for Ms. Evans, who went to a bridal shop in Sacramento, where she bought a strapless lavender dress. For Ms. David, however, it wasn’t so easy.
“I really didn’t want to wear a dress for the wedding,” said Ms. David, a 33-year-old software engineer from Sunnyvale, Calif., who generally prefers casual clothes like jeans and a T-shirt. “That’s not how I really identify myself so I started looking for clothing choices.” Ms. David doesn’t wear dresses, which means finding formal wear can be a fraught process.
She did what many masculine women do. She turned to the boys’ department. “It’s a compromise, going to the boys’ section,” she said. Ms. David is 5 feet 1 inch tall with broad shoulders from years of practicing Jeet Kune Do. “The boys’ section is not going to be a perfect fit because they don’t accommodate breasts, because, well, they’re not meant to.”
Zee Amador of ZShots
Elaine David and Joy Evans, right, on their wedding day in Kauai, Hawaii. Ms. David wore a Tomboy Tailors suit.
Then Ms. David discovered a number of brands that fit her sartorial needs online. She ended up visiting Tomboy Tailors, a clothier specializing in made-to-measure suits. She chose a lavender blue vest with matching pants and wore them on her wedding day.
Tomboy Tailors is one of several brands that have emerged within the past few years catering specifically to masculine women, transgender men and others who fall outside the conventional clientele for men’s wear.
“I started Tomboy Tailors after years of dealing with ill-fitting suits and poor customer service and I knew that other people must be having that experience,” said Zel Anders, the founder and owner of Tomboy Tailors, whose store opened in February just off Market Street in downtown San Francisco.
“There are, I suspect, hundreds of thousands of women like me who prefer to wear men’s suits,” she said.
Major retailers have begun to take notice of the emerging market: Kenneth Cole is producing some of the men’s shoes in smaller sizes to be sold at Tomboy Tailors in September.
DeAngela Cooks
A look by the Brooklyn-based brand, Marimacho.
Other brands have sprung up online in recent years, including Fourteen, which spawned from a wedding planning company called 14 Stories, and the Brooklyn-based Marimacho, whose most recent collection featured bathing suits based on 1920s men’s swimwear.
Going to the men’s department creates obvious problems around sizing and fit, but rather than reproduce an hourglass silhouette, the goal of these brands is to create a straight line over a female body. “What masculine-identified women don’t want is a suit with darts in it, that’s all very feminine and cut in with that hourglass,” said Shaz Riley, the owner of the Butch Clothing Company, a tailor for masculine women in England. “They want to look like David Beckham looks in his suits.”
Bex Wade
A look by Marimacho. The goal of brands like Marimacho is to create a straight line over a female body.
“For a lot of people that have bigger breasts, it’s difficult to find something that fits your chest, is slender enough for your shoulders and then doesn’t pull too much on our hips,” said Crystal Gonzalez-Alé, the business and life partner of Ivette Gonzalez-Alé, the creative director of Marimacho.
Many of these brands have been a source of empowerment for many masculine women. “It’s about feeling good in your clothes,” said Patricia Baldwin, a lecturer in the English department at San Francisco State University, who recently went into Tomboy Tailors to shop for a suit for her commitment ceremony next month. “If my suit starts at Men’s Wearhouse, it’s not going to be supportive of who I am,” she said.
After the Supreme Court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act and tossed out the Proposition 8 case, effectively allowing gay marriages in California, the political tides have shifted in favor of gay marriage, and with it, more marriage ceremonies and a broader embrace of styles that cross the gender line.
“I think that people wanted this kind of a business for a long time but haven’t been comfortable to do it,” Ms. Anders said. She has been with her partner, Doris Bersing, for a dozen years. They married in 2004.
This time around, she’s planning on wearing something from her store, like a three-piece tuxedo in a black pinpoint fabric.
Wrang1er
07-08-2013, 05:04 AM
I am going to a wedding at the end of July. I think I found this thread just in time.
brownboi
07-16-2013, 08:26 PM
Basketball shoes/shorts, and a tee are my fave :basketball:
At work, I go for the jeans/polo
*Anya*
07-16-2013, 09:38 PM
A Masculine Silhouette, Tailored for Her
By BRIDGET HUBER
Mary Going, 46, a former nonprofit consultant in Oakland, Calif., wanted to wear a suit to her same-sex wedding in 2008, but found the shopping process demoralizing.
Nothing fit. Sometimes there were no dressing rooms. And salesmen looked at her funny when they realized she wasn’t shopping for a son. “They didn’t want to be serving me,” Ms. Going said. “You can feel it.”
She soon learned that she was not alone, and in 2012, Ms. Going started an online suit store, Saint Harridan, that specializes in classic men’s suits tailored for women. It joins a fresh crop of untraditional fashion brands and style blogs that cater to butch lesbians, transgender men, the androgynous and tomboys — underserved customers who might call themselves “masculine of center,” a gender-studies term for women who dress and act in ways traditionally associated with men.
It is a group long considered “tragically unfashionable,” said Jack Halberstam, a transgender professor at the University of Southern California and the author, most recently, of “Gaga Feminism: Sex, Gender and the End of Normal.” “Neither men’s nor women’s clothing fits you, and the market has absolutely nothing to make you look good.”
That is changing, thanks to clothing companies like Saint Harridan, as well as Tomboy Tailors, a custom suit maker in San Francisco; HauteButch, a clothing line from Santa Rosa, Calif.; and Marimacho, a Brooklyn label that makes shirts, vests and swimwear based on 1920s men’s bathing suits. One company, Wildfang, in Portland, Ore., was founded by Nike veterans and says it aims to liberate men’s wear, “one bow tie at a time.”
Tomboy Tailors has a retail shop in the Union Square area of San Francisco, but most are online only. Setting the trend are style blogs like dapperQ, which positions itself as a sort of GQ for the unconventionally masculine, and Qwear, which updates the heritage-chic look for women. Think pocket squares, brogues and suspenders popularized by so many men’s blogs.
The look subverts gender norms, said Susan Herr, 50, the founder of dapperQ, based in Brooklyn. “It’s not cross-dressing for me to wear a suit,” she said. “It’s cross-dressing for me to wear a dress.”
Unsure if there was enough interest in a company like Saint Harridan, Ms. Going used Kickstarter to test the waters and to raise the $87,000 she needed to meet the factory minimum. She ended up raising more than $137,000 in just over a month from 1,108 donors.
In August, Saint Harridan plans to ship its first suits, which cost $695 to $840 and are made in the United States from Italian wool. The site also sells ties, T-shirts and pocketknives. Ms. Going hopes to add Saint Harridan-designed sweaters and trousers in the future.
Putting the idea into practice brought other challenges. Unlike traditional women’s suits, which often emphasize feminine curves like breasts and hips, Saint Harridan’s suits create a masculine silhouette. To do so, every aspect of the suit was re-engineered. Shoulders were narrowed to fit smaller frames, lapels were tweaked to lie flat over the bust, and pants designed to accommodate hips.
Ms. Going wants to see female bodies in men’s suits at the bank, at the wedding altar, on the street, everywhere. To her, it’s part of a broader shift in gender norms. “Masculinity isn’t just for men,” she said.
Correction: July 11, 2013
This article has been revised to reflect the following correction: An earlier version of this article misstated Susan Herr’s age.
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PUBLISHED JULY 10, 2013
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/11/fashion/a-masculine-silhouette-tailored-for-her.html
uniquetobeme
05-10-2014, 06:09 PM
My GF has a job interview and we went to over 5 stores trying to find something that looks professional but not a suit and tie. Any ideas/advice? She wears men's clothing, but isn't comfortable in a suit and tie. It's tough because it seems to look really professional either you have to wear women's clothes, or go with a suit and tie option. Where is the in-between? The interview is for an Executive Administrative Assistant position.
I know she can't do this...:flasher:
DapperButch
05-10-2014, 06:59 PM
My GF has a job interview and we went to over 5 stores trying to find something that looks professional but not a suit and tie. Any ideas/advice? She wears men's clothing, but isn't comfortable in a suit and tie. It's tough because it seems to look really professional either you have to wear women's clothes, or go with a suit and tie option. Where is the in-between? The interview is for an Executive Administrative Assistant position.
I know she can't do this...:flasher:
Hi, I work in a very professional environment.
I wear men's dress slacks. Not ones that are a part of a suit, but they are dressy slacks in the same sort of way. Unlike khakis (which are not dressy enough, they would have some polyester in them...or something besides all cotton).
I then wear a dress shirt that one could wear with a tie, but I just skip the tie. Do not wear a t-shirt underneath, that dresses down the outfit. Button up to the highest button before the top. I do not wear a jacket because this screams male. I already look male, this just take it too far over the edge for my line of work. So, just dress pants and a dress shirt.
The biggest errors that butches make is that they get shirts that are too big. Make sure the shoulder seam is on the shoulders. SO many butches wear shirts with the shoulders hanging past the shoulders. This looks sloppy.
Go into a store like Calvin Klein. The type of dress pants that would make sense would be hanging on a rack (not in folded stacks, which are the khaki, cotton type). Typically the shirts I would buy would be hanging on a hanger, not the ones in the clear wrapping packages. I'm sorry I don't know the verbiage on this, but the ones in the packages tend to have the buttons set up in a way that works if one wears a tie, but without a tie, the second button is too close to the top of the neck. The ones on the rack open more naturally at the neck.
Personally, I think that more fitted shirts guys are wearing look a lot better and less boxy/sloppy, if she is thin enough to wear this type. You will see signs that indicate that it is a "fitted" shirt.
Anyway, I would skip department stores and hit individual places like Calvin Klein, Banana Republic, etc. Don't be afraid to ask the sales people to help you. Just look for a gay guy. :-)
Obviously in an Exec Admin Assistant position, how nicely dressed someone looks is important. I have also learned that it is less about what one is actually wearing, and more about how well it fits one's body and if it is pressed with no wrinkles. Go for crisp lines.
Good luck.
I will send Kelt in because he knows this stuff...
Dapper is spot on about fit being 80% of the impression. It is really going to depend on how your partner is built as to whether or not the mens or women's department will get the best starting point. Either way, I cannot recommend getting a tailor highly enough. It is the finishing that makes it.
If you end up buying shirts in the mens dept many times you may find the sleeves need to be shortened 1-2cm or they will bunch at the cuff and look sloppy, women's arms are proportionally a bit shorter most of the time and the shoulder is the most important fit check. If your GF is more stout it might be better to start with a women's cut for the shoulder/hip ratio but look out for darts, nuff said about that. A tailor can taper the sides to fit whatever shape needed (within reason). If your GF is smaller in stature it's another problem, I run into this and sometimes end up in boys sizes where it is harder to find quality.
Similarily, with trousers it is the "drop" that matters for your starting point. The waist to hip ratio. Typically if you are starting with a mens cut you will want the difference to be 8" inches or less, if it is more, start with a women's cut otherwise they will never hang right. It is good to look for a "split back" waistband if you can (mostly in mens or expensive women's) for ease of tailoring.
I used to have to navigate the professional dress quandary also and went with basically a suit minus the tie or would sometimes sub in a mock-t sweater of higher quality. I was in an all male environment though, so I'm not sure that would fly. If the position is going to be working with mostly men or women will likely matter. Playing to the expected audience would be safer up front and then after settling into the position more freedom might available. Right now getting the job is probably top priority. There are in-between spaces for sweaters, shorter cut jackets (Ellen), skipping jackets (like Dapper) and sometimes just going with a brighter color shirt seems to work. Personality and skills should trump all but it's the real world. It's important that your partner feels comfortable and professional.
Come back in and let us know what you come up with or if you have more questions. :)
While on the subject of appearance, I decided to play with hair. Since I've only had 2 now 3 hairstyles in the last 30 years this is significant for me.
I knocked the corners off my flattop :buzz cut: and am growing out the top a tad.
Going for kind of a George Clooney in "The American" look. I have a little more pepper to salt ratio but since we have a similar face shape I thought I'd try it. I'll never look good like him but we both have that longish, trending toward jowliness-with-age shape.
It's weird to look in the mirror and see a round top of head. So what did I do today but go out and buy a flat-topped hat (pork pie). :thinking:
DapperButch
05-11-2014, 06:56 AM
Similarily, with trousers it is the "drop" that matters for your starting point. The waist to hip ratio. Typically if you are starting with a mens cut you will want the difference to be 8" inches or less, if it is more, start with a women's cut otherwise they will never hang right. It is good to look for a "split back" waistband if you can (mostly in mens or expensive women's) for ease of tailoring.
Ummmm, yeah, no one knows what this means. Bring it down to the common man, Mr. Snot!
Yes, what's hard is where one starts with their body's. I went right to talking about men's clothing because uniquetobeme stated this is what her partner wore, but you do have to go with what fits correctly and then tailor it from there.
I've said it before and I will say it again...I'm so glad I can buy "off the rack"!
Kelt, it would be awesome if at some point you would share (post photos) what's going on with your hair (or when it is complete). That is a BIG step, man!
Daktari
05-11-2014, 07:18 AM
While on the subject of appearance, I decided to play with hair. Since I've only had 2 now 3 hairstyles in the last 30 years this is significant for me.
I knocked the corners off my flattop :buzz cut: and am growing out the top a tad.
Going for kind of a George Clooney in "The American" look. I have a little more pepper to salt ratio but since we have a similar face shape I thought I'd try it. I'll never look good like him but we both have that longish, trending toward jowliness-with-age shape.
It's weird to look in the mirror and see a round top of head. So what did I do today but go out and buy a flat-topped hat (pork pie). :thinking:
How bizarre! For the first time in more years than I care to remember there's hair happening here too.
Like you Kelt, I've only had a couple of hair-styles as an adult with a full, to-the-bone all over shave being the one I've had for the longest time.
At the start of the year I decided to grow a 'quiff'. The aim is a full 50s combed back, Brylcremed, Tony Curtis 'do...if I can be patient enough before shaving it all off in the summer.
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/scoobs63/th_IMG_1681_zps2e08975b.jpg (http://s132.photobucket.com/user/scoobs63/media/IMG_1681_zps2e08975b.jpg.html)
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/scoobs63/th_IMG_1699_zps7e403f37.jpg (http://s132.photobucket.com/user/scoobs63/media/IMG_1699_zps7e403f37.jpg.html)
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/scoobs63/th_IMG_1597_zpse0a0267a.jpg (http://s132.photobucket.com/user/scoobs63/media/IMG_1597_zpse0a0267a.jpg.html)
From one budding Hair Bear to another...good luck dood! :thumbsup:
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/scoobs63/The_Hair_Bear_Bunch_zps38f6ad89.jpg
DapperButch
05-11-2014, 07:40 AM
Daktari! Love it!
How bizarre! For the first time in more years than I care to remember there's hair happening here too.
Like you Kelt, I've only had a couple of hair-styles as an adult with a full, to-the-bone all over shave being the one I've had for the longest time.
At the start of the year I decided to grow a 'quiff'. The aim is a full 50s combed back, Brylcremed, Tony Curtis 'do...if I can be patient enough before shaving it all off in the summer.
From one budding Hair Bear to another...good luck dood! :thumbsup:
Hey Daktari my sartorial chum!
I always like taking hints from your looks. Yeah I don't know what came over me. I missed one of my regular haircuts and it got me thinking. I crossed the fifty mark a bit ago and thought that maybe it was time to have a grown-up haircut. Then I watched a movie and thought "I could do that".
Thing is I am totally clueless how to work with it. I don't even know how it grows or what the color looks like laying down. :blink: I always just washed it and hit it with a little water based pomade to make it look like hair and not fuzz, that was it.
Now I have the time and inclination to play with it a bit and I can always just take it off if I don't like it. I'm never really more than two or three weeks away from a bad or good look. Also, starting to play with hats for more than just keeping my head warm although once again the curse of being one size too small hits here too. I have found a couple of online resources so once I have a style or two I know I like I can order size appropriate.
The haircut I've had for the last decade was a lot like this: :cheesy:
http://sanceau.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/57hornet009.jpg?w=584
Doesn't work quite as well over 50. I don't want to be one of those folks who try to look 25 forever.
I have no desire to get on the hair coloring cycle I just won't put time into it. I have a hard time with more than 5 minutes max on prep. I am learning to play with other "products" I am sticking with the line that I like but trying different like types like creams/wax/etc.
The direction I'm going is more toward this: not much different but to me it is change.
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFruL8kMMIxMc_sga-qpQWmXK17K4jlfG0ij2FWHYRZ0mvnI3a
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01131/portal-graphics-20_1131420a.jpg
https://taylorshocks.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/george-clooney.jpg
I'll just have to see what happens over time and figure out where I run out of patience. I dunno, it looks pretty long to me. :nailbitin:
Ummmm, yeah, no one knows what this means. Bring it down to the common man, Mr. Snot!
Yes, what's hard is where one starts with their body's. I went right to talking about men's clothing because uniquetobeme stated this is what her partner wore, but you do have to go with what fits correctly and then tailor it from there.
I've said it before and I will say it again...I'm so glad I can buy "off the rack"!
Kelt, it would be awesome if at some point you would share (post photos) what's going on with your hair (or when it is complete). That is a BIG step, man!
Oy vey, okay breakdown. If someone has a waist of 32 (or 42, 52..) and a hip of 40 (50, 60..) the difference is 8 inches, this is the "drop". In a mens cut, that is the max there is to work with. Some female bodied people have more of a difference, say a 32 waist and a 42 hip a 10 inch difference and then they should start with a womens cut so there is enough fabric to work with. You can always take in, but you can't add what isn' there.
Also with a larger difference you can get gapping at the back of the waist and if the waistband is already split (has a seam at the back) then it can be easily altered.
Using the jargon makes it easier for me to talk to the tailor.
I have been on both ends of the spectrum and had to learn on the fly with a big weight swing up and then down.
For Dapper: Buy this book
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n3jHCAH8L._SY300_.jpg
Thank me later. :chaplin:
DapperButch
05-11-2014, 02:19 PM
Oy vey, okay breakdown. If someone has a waist of 32 (or 42, 52..) and a hip of 40 (50, 60..) the difference is 8 inches, this is the "drop". In a mens cut, that is the max there is to work with. Some female bodied people have more of a difference, say a 32 waist and a 42 hip a 10 inch difference and then they should start with a womens cut so there is enough fabric to work with. You can always take in, but you can't add what isn' there.
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You douche, I was talking about for others, not me!!
<----- see name over there.
For Dapper: Buy this book
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n3jHCAH8L._SY300_.jpg
Thank me later. :chaplin:
Yet another insult!!
I personally have found this one helpful.
http://www.artofmanliness.com/category/dress-grooming/
Ummmm, yeah, no one knows what this means. Bring it down to the common man, Mr. Snot!
I know you know, don't get yer Calvins in a twist.
You douche, I was talking about for others, not me!!
<----- see name over there.
Yet another insult!!
I personally have found this one helpful.
http://www.artofmanliness.com/category/dress-grooming/
Because of course calling me A) Mr Snot and B)You douche are not shots over the bow inviting recourse! :fastdraq:
BTW, I love the hell outta that site and especially these helpful playing cards (http://www.artofmanliness.com/category/outfitted-equipped/) for casual stuff. That is where I tend to get lost. Formal attire has rules and a rule book so folks like me can figure it out. Casual is for people who have more creativity than a rock (as in, not me). So they help a lot.
For Other People (not Dapper who knows everything already :jester:) the book I referenced is especially handy for vintage shopping. I provides interesting history and also subltle signs to look for that point toward quality, like which way the button hole on a gusset should be. I find that the sizes run smaller also which is a godsend for the stature challenged.
dykeumentary
05-12-2014, 11:03 AM
[COLOR="Blue"]You douche, I was talking about for others, not me!!
<----- see name over there.
Is "douche" an insult because it has something to do with woman's vagina?
Just asking for clarification.
I want to re-post something that was posted on this site a little while back (I can’t remember where) because I think it is more representative of the variety of choices and how great many butches are with creativity. I personally tend to focus on mens attire but that is just me, shopping both sides of the gender isle, and kids too, yields so many more options and I like to see how people combine them.
This photographers gallery (http://megallenstudio.com/#/butch/) showcases all kinds of butches ranging across differing presentations, ages, and cultural backgrounds and I really enjoy it.
“BUTCH is a environmental portraiture project and exploration of the butch aesthetic, identity and presentation of female masculinity as it stands in 2013-14. It is a celebration of those who dwell outside of the stringent social binary that separates the sexes and a glimpse into the private and often unseen spaces of people who exude their authentic sense of self.” - Meg Allen
Apparently there is a second edition of Gentleman: A Timeless Guide to Fashion.
http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/the-dandy-handbook-gentleman-a-timeless-guide-to-fashion/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
Apparently there is a second edition of Gentleman: A Timeless Guide to Fashion.
http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/the-dandy-handbook-gentleman-a-timeless-guide-to-fashion/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0
You're right, the original came out in 2009 and that seems to be the one referenced in this article. The one I have is the third edition from 2011 and I see now on Amazons page it shows a release date of 2012. I haven't seen anything indicating revisions to content though.
I regard it as my go to source for anything on more formal attire. Indispensable!
Duchess
05-13-2014, 08:30 PM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRpu73OimP_wEpBnPC4tl5KLqcmHVx91 hYAMt320n2a9qsDZOSZ
Duchess
05-13-2014, 08:42 PM
http://outfrontonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ButchFeatureimage.jpg
I know you know, don't get yer Calvins in a twist.
Because of course calling me A) Mr Snot and B)You douche are not shots over the bow inviting recourse! :fastdraq:
BTW, I love the hell outta that site and especially these helpful playing cards (http://www.artofmanliness.com/category/outfitted-equipped/) for casual stuff. That is where I tend to get lost. Formal attire has rules and a rule book so folks like me can figure it out. Casual is for people who have more creativity than a rock (as in, not me). So they help a lot.
For Other People (not Dapper who knows everything already :jester:) the book I referenced is especially handy for vintage shopping. I provides interesting history and also subltle signs to look for that point toward quality, like which way the button hole on a gusset should be. I find that the sizes run smaller also which is a godsend for the stature challenged.
As I was reading this, I heard my mother's voice in my head from years ago, I think about age 7, telling me that "mens shirts have hole left- button right and men's hair parts left combs right."
I will still to this day make sure which side the button is on when looking at what can be viewed as andro or metro-sexual clothing. Not that it truly matters, as I only wear what is ultimately comfortable for me, but because it was once a standard way of distinguishing male and female clothing.
The fabric or cut could be the exact same, but because of the placement of a button, it was deemed male or female.
The rules of fashion aren't so clear cut these days. Not so "his" or "hers" and I think it is pretty cool.
I wear men's clothes but I shop based on texture of a fabric or tones and then by cut. I will indeed refer to sites listed previously in this thread for tips on tailoring or event specific attire, but mostly I go by instinct.
I have met very few butches (or femmes) who are comfortable in their self id that dress poorly. Just about everyone I have met from this site (or it's predecessor) lack for want of style or appropriateness in dressing for whatever given occasion I have met them. I am always impressed with the community from here I meet.
I apologize for the segue in conversation, just something about the highlighted statement struck a chord that resounded with me and I felt an urge to share. I appreciate this thread and while I don't post often, I do read it when new additions are made.
Thanks Y'all! :cigar2:
okieblu
05-14-2014, 03:51 AM
I want to re-post something that was posted on this site a little while back (I can’t remember where) because I think it is more representative of the variety of choices and how great many butches are with creativity. I personally tend to focus on mens attire but that is just me, shopping both sides of the gender isle, and kids too, yields so many more options and I like to see how people combine them.
This photographers gallery (http://megallenstudio.com/#/butch/) showcases all kinds of butches ranging across differing presentations, ages, and cultural backgrounds and I really enjoy it.
“BUTCH is a environmental portraiture project and exploration of the butch aesthetic, identity and presentation of female masculinity as it stands in 2013-14. It is a celebration of those who dwell outside of the stringent social binary that separates the sexes and a glimpse into the private and often unseen spaces of people who exude their authentic sense of self.” - Meg Allen
Yeah, this is a great photo series. I dont know if they are still working on it or not.
While on the subject of appearance, I decided to play with hair. Since I've only had 2 now 3 hairstyles in the last 30 years this is significant for me.
I knocked the corners off my flattop :buzz cut: and am growing out the top a tad.
Going for kind of a George Clooney in "The American" look. I have a little more pepper to salt ratio but since we have a similar face shape I thought I'd try it. I'll never look good like him but we both have that longish, trending toward jowliness-with-age shape.
It's weird to look in the mirror and see a round top of head. So what did I do today but go out and buy a flat-topped hat (pork pie). :thinking:
I think I may have hit an idea here for myself, and wondering if others do this or have considered it.
Cutting my own hair. :blink: Wondering if it is hard to do. I see on youtube the place is overrun with how-to’s about it. Until a few weeks ago I was wearing a flattop which really would not work as a self-do, it’s hard enough to find even a barber who can get it right. Now that it’s a bit longer it is much less precise, which is both great and horrible. The OCD, all knolling (https://www.google.com/search?q=knolling&es_sm=91&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Etx3U-zpKseHoQS39YHgBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=959), neat freak that I am is pretty out of sorts about having things on my head not lined up right. It’s also eff’n up my routine of every 14 days which naturally had a couple of other rituals/habits tied to it. Hmm…
On the other hand, I gather it isn’t supposed to be perfect this way. Makes it a moving target though, that’s for sure. It’s really hard to know when I am done. BUT, since it is quite short and seemingly pretty generic I can’t imagine a few practice tries wouldn’t yield a reasonable facsimile. It’s all done with clippers which would make it ambidextrous. I’ve done it to my friend many years ago and I remember the main thing was to go all directions to catch strays. Changing the length attachment would do the three (as far as I can tell) lengths. I know a good stylist/barber has training and experience but they are good at all haircuts. I only need one, and it looks possible. Opinions??
:buzz cut:
*Note: I'm thinking that another trip or two, paying super close attention, and asking questions first is a good plan.
uniquetobeme
05-18-2014, 06:19 PM
You all rock! Thanks for the advice!! The interview went pretty well, keeping fingers crossed!!!
Daktari
05-19-2014, 06:02 AM
I think I may have hit an idea here for myself, and wondering if others do this or have considered it.
*snip* just to save a long quote box
Shaved m'own head for years...it's really easy. I cut Pops' hair with clippers and different comb lengths which is also really easy.
Cutting my own with more than just a shave or one length all over? No way, no how!
I want it to look real sharp and I wouldn't be confident doing it for myself.
I have very high expectations of my young barber dude, thankfully he lives up to them or else I'll be back to an all over shave.
Not only is he really good but he's cheap too at £6 ($10) sans tip for a cut in which he takes his time to get it 'just so'. He knows I'll be back if I find a flaw.
I look forward to seeing your experiments in self hair cutting :koolaid:
DapperButch
05-19-2014, 07:36 AM
I know a good stylist/barber has training and experience but they are good at all haircuts. I only need one, and it looks possible. Opinions??
:buzz cut:
*Note: I'm thinking that another trip or two, paying super close attention, and asking questions first is a good plan.
<--- strongly considering encouraging Kelt simply so I can get a big belly laugh out of it (not certain how i will get him to send me the picture so that I can get this laugh, however).
So you are talking for the flat top or for "The Clooney"?
Shaved m'own head for years...it's really easy. I cut Pops' hair with clippers and different comb lengths which is also really easy.
Cutting my own with more than just a shave or one length all over? No way, no how!
I want it to look real sharp and I wouldn't be confident doing it for myself.
I have very high expectations of my young barber dude, thankfully he lives up to them or else I'll be back to an all over shave.
Not only is he really good but he's cheap too at £6 ($10) sans tip for a cut in which he takes his time to get it 'just so'. He knows I'll be back if I find a flaw.
I look forward to seeing your experiments in self hair cutting :koolaid:
I agree with you on the perfection factor when I had the flattop, precision required, no question. It wouldn't be possible to self cut. What I'm thinking of is I believe what you are referring to as clippers w/comb attachment. It looks like three lengths plus razor line the neck which I touch up myself anyway.
I'm thinking one or two trips to the barber paying very close attention and then give it a try. I don't have to look like anything for anyone right now so I could have a couple of "mistakes" and either take it all down to a #2 and try it again in a couple of weeks or, if it just needs correcting slap on a hat and make a sheepish trip to said barber to fix it.
:mohawk:
<--- strongly considering encouraging Kelt simply so I can get a big belly laugh out of it (not certain how i will get him to send me the picture so that I can get this laugh, however).
So you are talking for the flat top or for "The Clooney"?
This would be the "Clooney" which I am currently sporting. Knock the corners off a flattop and you have it in two weeks since it is just an overgrown Crew cut. Turns out it is called a "Harvard Clip" officially.
Translated into Dapperese:
Flattop: $12 + $3 tip x 26 times per year = $390 annually
Quality clippers $50, nope free, already have them.
:glasses:
All this said, last week I gave the cat a summer cut and it looks like I threw her at an industrial fan.
:| :cat:
Daktari
05-19-2014, 08:35 AM
If it's one length all over then I'd say have at it, give it a go and get a mate to check it over (within a day) for stray long hairs, tramlines, etc.
The Pops has always said there's only a fortnight between a bad and a good haircut!
I was going to go to the barbers today but it's a little bit too late in my day to do so before I do other stuff...and I washed m'hair and it's all a bit fluffy so I'll leave it until tomorrow when I'm less tired, have more time and don't have quiff that looks like a cat straight outta the tumble dryer. :cheesy:
DapperButch
05-19-2014, 06:33 PM
I agree with you on the perfection factor when I had the flattop, precision required, no question. It wouldn't be possible to self cut. What I'm thinking of is I believe what you are referring to as clippers w/comb attachment. It looks like three lengths plus razor line the neck which I touch up myself anyway.
I'm thinking one or two trips to the barber paying very close attention and then give it a try. I don't have to look like anything for anyone right now so I could have a couple of "mistakes" and either take it all down to a #2 and try it again in a couple of weeks or, if it just needs correcting slap on a hat and make a sheepish trip to said barber to fix it.
:mohawk:
This would be the "Clooney" which I am currently sporting. Knock the corners off a flattop and you have it in two weeks since it is just an overgrown Crew cut. Turns out it is called a "Harvard Clip" officially.
Translated into Dapperese:
Flattop: $12 + $3 tip x 26 times per year = $390 annually
Quality clippers $50, nope free, already have them.
:glasses:
All this said, last week I gave the cat a summer cut and it looks like I threw her at an industrial fan.
:| :cat:
Just messin' with you. I believe me hair is a bit more complicated, but we could try!
"Male business cut" (something along those lines): $41 + $8 tip x 17.33 times per year = $849.17
PLUS
Hair lightening: $ 85 + $16 tip x 5.77 times per year =$582.77
Annual Cost = $1, 431.94
Flying Quality Kelt twice from the wrong coast - Over budget!
Just messin' with you. I believe me hair is a bit more complicated, but we could try!
"Male business cut" (something along those lines): $41 + $8 tip x 17.33 times per year = $849.17
PLUS
Hair lightening: $ 85 + $16 tip x 5.77 times per year =$582.77
Annual Cost = $1, 431.94
Flying Quality Kelt twice from the wrong coast - Over budget!
Dayum! You must be purdy! :spruceup:
DapperButch
05-20-2014, 05:36 AM
Dayum! You must be purdy! :spruceup:
I SURE is!
<--knows it is all in the details
Daktari
05-20-2014, 05:39 AM
Hair lightening?
Fer real?
:|
DapperButch
05-20-2014, 04:06 PM
Hair lightening?
Fer real?
:|
Yep. I add a touch of blond to my light brown hair. I look rather drab, otherwise. I don't get a lot, just a touch on the top and on the top portion of the sides.
People never notice when I have it done.
I suppose that if my hair wasn't such a light brown, it would be noticeable. Or, if I didn't get it done consistently I suppose it could be. I've only been asked if I "darkened" my hair when I skipped a time of getting it done. I don't get asked if I lightened it.
Yep. I add a touch of blond to my light brown hair. I look rather drab, otherwise. I don't get a lot, just a touch on the top and on the top portion of the sides.
People never notice when I have it done.
I suppose that if my hair wasn't such a light brown, it would be noticeable. Or, if I didn't get it done consistently I suppose it could be. I've only been asked if I "darkened" my hair when I skipped a time of getting it done. I don't get asked if I lightened it.
Soooo... You get it lightened all the time so it won't be dark and if you skip a session it is darker and you get asked if it is darker.
Aand... Since you lighten it all the time people do not notice the difference when it is light because it's all the time...:seeingstars:
Tip for ya; Give it a decade, it will lighten for free and you can call it "distinguished".
Here's $582 bucks, get yourself something nice.
:sunglass:
DapperButch
05-20-2014, 06:24 PM
Soooo... You get it lightened all the time so it won't be dark and if you skip a session it is darker and you get asked if it is darker.
Aand... Since you lighten it all the time people do not notice the difference when it is light because it's all the time...:seeingstars:
Tip for ya; Give it a decade, it will lighten for free and you can call it "distinguished".
Here's $582 bucks, get yourself something nice.
:sunglass:
Funny. Not. :slapfight:
My point is that it looks natural and chit.
Tis true, a true gentleman or gentleperson is always well groomed for whatever the occasion.
:formalbow:
Daktari
05-21-2014, 03:52 AM
Lightening :giggle:
Think of what you could buy with nearly SIX hundred dollars a year hair lightening cash.
Finally found time to visit the fabbo young barber dude I've found...he's at the local indoor (Abingdon Street) market as it happens. I love that he takes his time, does a really great job and is still the cheapest in town.
I got bitten to billy-o by midges at the wedding on Saturday...seems they chewed my head good and proper...the bites were revealed [and the tops painfully shaved off all of them] by the clippers. :|
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/scoobs63/th_IMG_1947_zps70aa65e2.jpg (http://s132.photobucket.com/user/scoobs63/media/IMG_1947_zps70aa65e2.jpg.html)<<<clickable
Taken just a few minutes ago, this is the 'morning' or 'daily casual' can't-be-bothered quiff with no product. M'hair is so thick it does what I want it to do pretty much on it's own
Note the two b.c.r [ball closure ring] ear-rings.
I took all my piercings out years ago, bar four of them, 3 of which can't be seen by the general public ;) I took out yet another in the last couple of years and now there's only 2 that cannot be seen.
Recently, upon hitting two years clean I decided to mark it in a small way with two small, purple bcrs in my ear...just the one, the left ear.
Any other chaps wear stuff in the ear-lug/s?
DapperButch
05-21-2014, 06:12 AM
Tis true, a true gentleman or gentleperson is always well groomed for whatever the occasion.
:formalbow:
Yeah, yeah....
Lightening :giggle:
Think of what you could buy with nearly SIX hundred dollars a year hair lightening cash.
Finally found time to visit the fabbo young barber dude I've found...he's at the local indoor (Abingdon Street) market as it happens. I love that he takes his time, does a really great job and is still the cheapest in town.
I got bitten to billy-o by midges at the wedding on Saturday...seems they chewed my head good and proper...the bites were revealed [and the tops painfully shaved off all of them] by the clippers. :|
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q8/scoobs63/th_IMG_1947_zps70aa65e2.jpg (http://s132.photobucket.com/user/scoobs63/media/IMG_1947_zps70aa65e2.jpg.html)<<<clickable
Taken just a few minutes ago, this is the 'morning' or 'daily casual' can't-be-bothered quiff with no product. M'hair is so thick it does what I want it to do pretty much on it's own
Note the two b.c.r [ball closure ring] ear-rings.
I took all my piercings out years ago, bar four of them, 3 of which can't be seen by the general public ;) I took out yet another in the last couple of years and now there's only 2 that cannot be seen.
Recently, upon hitting two years clean I decided to mark it in a small way with two small, purple bcrs in my ear...just the one, the left ear.
Any other chaps wear stuff in the ear-lug/s?
Daktari, if I had thick fabulous hair I might not bother, but what I actually like the best about the product is that it thickens the shaft (no pun intended) of the hair follicle (mine are very thin). It isn't something a hair product or a different hair cut can fix....wait...why am I explaining this to you?
When it comes to ears I had some piercings, pretty thick in the ears (the upside down horse shoe type, ball closure type). I wanted to move towards lugs, but alas, there is no place for them in my professional world. I am limited in the same way I can be when it comes to hair styles.
That's ok, though.
kingbutch
05-21-2014, 09:17 AM
Shorts, tshirt trainers
Tshirt/shirt & jeans
Formal:
Shirt
Slimcut formal trousers
With vest [ if its windy]
Very formal:
Suit, shirt and tie
Or
Suit, grandad collar shirt ( unbuttoned first 2 butyons)
Daktari
05-21-2014, 02:57 PM
Yeah, yeah....
Daktari, if I had thick fabulous hair I might not bother, but what I actually like the best about the product is that it thickens the shaft (no pun intended) of the hair follicle (mine are very thin). It isn't something a hair product or a different hair cut can fix....wait...why am I explaining this to you?
When it comes to ears I had some piercings, pretty thick in the ears (the upside down horse shoe type, ball closure type). I wanted to move towards lugs, but alas, there is no place for them in my professional world. I am limited in the same way I can be when it comes to hair styles.
That's ok, though.
Sorry you thought I was inviting you to give an explanation of why you do the hair thing you do. I was trying to tease and it seems it didn't work.
:chaplin:
Lightening :giggle:
Think of what you could buy with nearly SIX hundred dollars a year hair lightening cash.
Finally found time to visit the fabbo young barber dude I've found...he's at the local indoor (Abingdon Street) market as it happens. I love that he takes his time, does a really great job and is still the cheapest in town.
I got bitten to billy-o by midges at the wedding on Saturday...seems they chewed my head good and proper...the bites were revealed [and the tops painfully shaved off all of them] by the clippers. :|
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Taken just a few minutes ago, this is the 'morning' or 'daily casual' can't-be-bothered quiff with no product. M'hair is so thick it does what I want it to do pretty much on it's own
This looks great! Are you going to keep up with the sides and back on your own or let it grow out to a length?
I have thick hair also, regrettably it does not seem to be entirely compliant with my wishes. I've got about 1-1/2" on top and getting around1/2-3/4" on the sides and back. Since this is new to me it's a learning process. Seems like I'm getting one heck of a cowlick about and inch over from the main swirl. Makes it look like I'm signaling a right turn.
I am experimenting with 'product' and having mostly good luck. I have for years used American Crew shampoo and a little dab of their Palmade to knock the fuzz and keep it looking like hair. I got the next two levels of stuff to try; a Forming cream and some stuff called Fiber. I like them both and it is sort of length progressive.
I went with a rogue brand of stuff called 'moldable rubber' for exactly one day. I got it because it is a Japanese product specifically for asian hair which is what mine seems to be like. I'm of Scottish decent, so go figure. I turned my hair into concrete and I smelled like a 14 year old Japanese schoolgirl for the day (at least the hello kitty stereotype). Yeah, not so much for me. My AC stuff smells very little and the palmade and fiber both I actually like and it dissipates in maybe an hour.Bonus points for being able to still run my fingers through it and it isn't weird feeling. The fiber however has a consistency like refrigerated butter in the jar :blink: and has a learning curve.
I can't believe I'm doing all this but it still takes less than 2 minutes flat, so I'll hang in there.
Note the two b.c.r [ball closure ring] ear-rings.
I took all my piercings out years ago, bar four of them, 3 of which can't be seen by the general public ;) I took out yet another in the last couple of years and now there's only 2 that cannot be seen.
Recently, upon hitting two years clean I decided to mark it in a small way with two small, purple bcrs in my ear...just the one, the left ear.
Any other chaps wear stuff in the ear-lug/s?
When I was 11 my ears were pierced standard one per side. When I was 17 I was 'adopted' by my butch mentor 10 years my senior and in learning the signals to present it was decided to double pierce my left ear per code. It wasn't common in 1978 so it was actually noticed. Also the left pinky ring, although I did not get the left back of wrist pentagon tattoo. Those are my only piercings ever and I still have them. I have thought to take them out from time to time, maybe someday I will.
I like your commemorative bars, maybe I'll hang onto mine because they were also commemorative of a time and a history for me. :thinking:
Daktari
05-22-2014, 04:10 AM
This looks great! Are you going to keep up with the sides and back on your own or let it grow out to a length?
I have thick hair also, regrettably it does not seem to be entirely compliant with my wishes. I've got about 1-1/2" on top and getting around1/2-3/4" on the sides and back. Since this is new to me it's a learning process. Seems like I'm getting one heck of a cowlick about and inch over from the main swirl. Makes it look like I'm signaling a right turn.
I am experimenting with 'product' and having mostly good luck. I have for years used American Crew shampoo and a little dab of their Palmade to knock the fuzz and keep it looking like hair. I got the next two levels of stuff to try; a Forming cream and some stuff called Fiber. I like them both and it is sort of length progressive.
I went with a rogue brand of stuff called 'moldable rubber' for exactly one day. I got it because it is a Japanese product specifically for asian hair which is what mine seems to be like. I'm of Scottish decent, so go figure. I turned my hair into concrete and I smelled like a 14 year old Japanese schoolgirl for the day (at least the hello kitty stereotype). Yeah, not so much for me. My AC stuff smells very little and the palmade and fiber both I actually like and it dissipates in maybe an hour.Bonus points for being able to still run my fingers through it and it isn't weird feeling. The fiber however has a consistency like refrigerated butter in the jar :blink: and has a learning curve.
I can't believe I'm doing all this but it still takes less than 2 minutes flat, so I'll hang in there.
Cheers mate! :thumbsup:
I'll be letting the shaved back and sides grow in for a month-6 weeks before having it all done again...leaving the quiff long so that it eventually can be brushed back proper 50s stylee.
I think it looks best after 2 or 3 weeks growth.
The shaved sides are done with a detailer, so it's even shorter than regular clippers with no comb guard, this gives me a good week extra of it looking good before it all goes 'over'.
Still mulling on having the back/sides done with a straight razor :|
I'm having similar travail finding a product that I like and does what I want.
I don't like wax, clay or putty, they make the hair feel horrible to me.
I've got one that a friend-with-benefits left, L'oreal SomethingorOther which doesn't set everything like concrete, gotta keep a bit of bounce or 'swing' to that quiff. I think it looks best once I've run my fingers through it when the product has fully dried and set.
Like ya say, it's all a bit of a learning curve, esp. for a chap who's not had hair since Adam were a lad :winky:
When I was 11 my ears were pierced standard one per side. When I was 17 I was 'adopted' by my butch mentor 10 years my senior and in learning the signals to present it was decided to double pierce my left ear per code. It wasn't common in 1978 so it was actually noticed. Also the left pinky ring, although I did not get the left back of wrist pentagon tattoo. Those are my only piercings ever and I still have them. I have thought to take them out from time to time, maybe someday I will.
I like your commemorative bars, maybe I'll hang onto mine because they were also commemorative of a time and a history for me. :thinking:
Hah! Butch Badges! I don't remember if we had a specific tattoo, apart from a double womyn's (sic) symbol, to denote such though....I wasn't yet 'out' in the 70s sadly.
Shoulda been, but wasn't!
So glad I left my utterly fabbalus skin unmarked.
There was 5 piercings in m'left ear and 4 in the right...I did have both done as a youngster of course. I just kept adding more holes as I got older.
It's cute the things we do to fit into our tribe, especially when we're new to said tribe.
I see the same happening in fellowship circles. It makes me smile when the lads get clean and start looking after themselves properly and wanting to look good, they get their brand new B/pool Fellowship boy badges...Adidas trainers (sneakers)! Fitting into the tribe.
Piercings were a very conscious option when I started them in my late 20s; I knew I could take them out if I got bored or life decreed a more conservative appearance. Bored was always the most likely of the two options :cheesy:
All I need now is to win the Lotto so that I can have hand-made Church's brogues, Saville Row suits and Jermyn Street shirts. :sigh:
In the meantime I guess I'll continue to develop the smart slob look :cheesy:
DapperButch
05-22-2014, 05:42 AM
Kelt, where I get my haircut I can bring back products I don't like after trying them. I don't know if they do this with people who don't get their hair cut there, but it is possible. All of the products they sell, they use on their customers. So, if someone brings a product back, they will just use it. I never need a receipt or anything. I believe this is standard for all customers.
Every once in a while I try a different product, but always find myself coming back to my old faithful.
Kelt, where I get my haircut I can bring back products I don't like after trying them. I don't know if they do this with people who don't get their hair cut there, but it is possible. All of the products they sell, they use on their customers. So, if someone brings a product back, they will just use it. I never need a receipt or anything. I believe this is standard for all customers.
Every once in a while I try a different product, but always find myself coming back to my old faithful.
Well, I don't go to a salon kind of place. I used to go to a Supercuts chain store which may be where I first got the Pomade, ever since I just order online from Amazon. I go to an old school blue collar barber. It isn't "Neo" or "retro" and may be the last one in town that hasn't gone the way of the hipsters. I like the vibe for some reason.
This is on the wall and it's older than I am:
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRlxnaOeXsRGFZINbDNAHIxEp4clvvPY smta28vPZ05cEQt4PXE
They don't sell products or wash your hair or anything other than cut it and give a great quick neck and temple massage at the end. If I needed to shave I'd love to get a hot one there.
I have thought of going to one of the hipster queer barbers just for fun but haven't made it yet. I'm holding that option in reserve though, I could probably get a ton of great advice and information. They are very popular and so you need an appt, it would require driving, and I can't even imagine what they charge. It's easier for me to walk a couple of blocks, no appt needed, and get out in 10 minutes.
Btw, I'm not disparaging the salon experience. It's nice to go get pampered and get the full treatment, I've had that in the past. I might do it as a couple of times a year treat but I'd rather keep the bucks in my pocket and be quick most of the time.
When I do a pamper it's going in for full body deep tissue massage every few months and that is pricey so I really feel like it should be one or the other and not both.
This is my product 'group' and I am happy with the variety of options with them so I'm probably done with trials. (I can't believe I have three things for hair)
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSD0ekGGoh0HEelKD5bKyXopi1oTKwny te7CCynKjza8V20kab2
DapperButch
05-22-2014, 06:38 PM
I have to tell you, I am jealous of Kelt and Daktari. You guys have the freedom to cut your hair however you want, try different styles, etc.
Sometimes I hate corporate America (ok, so I'm not in corporate America, but you get the point). I have pushed the envelope as far as it can go and then some in terms of gender presentation, but I can't go "out there" with the hair (Daktari) or masculine to the point of a flat top (Kelt).
Kelt, you have no idea how much I would like the option to just hit the barbershop. Salon is by necessity, not choice.
Daktari
05-23-2014, 05:10 AM
It almost pains me to tell you that the current 'do', minus the extreme quiffage is the 'do' du jour for the local chav lads. :|
(UK>US...chav = red-neck/trash types.....apologies for any offence caused using such perjoratives)
It almost pains me to tell you that the current 'do', minus the extreme quiffage is the 'do' du jour for the local chav lads. :|
(UK>US...chav = red-neck/trash types.....apologies for any offence caused using such perjoratives)
Just think, you can get all the girls looking for a 'bad boy'. Which would be all of them. :thumbsup:
I think this still fits under "Attire" maybe as accesories.
I have always enjoyed what I call 'the stuff of pockets'. It turns out it is some kind of hipster fad to knoll their pockets and obsess over the details. Right up my alley. :cheesy:
I stumbled over a site that is providing endless amusment. Since I am usually the last to know, you may already be familiar with this as "Everyday Carry". There is a whole site (probably many) dedicated to it here (http://everyday-carry.com/).
What gets your pocket lint? Or do you roll with a "Manpurse"?
Which even has a forum (http://edcforums.com/)!
I carry a messenger bag with me everywhere. I always have my computer, charger, phone, wallet, and paper planner on me. It's a major accessory of mine...and sometimes, if I sling it just right, it makes my dreaded upper region disappear.
DapperButch
05-23-2014, 05:25 PM
I carry a messenger bag with me everywhere. I always have my computer, charger, phone, wallet, and paper planner on me. It's a major accessory of mine...and sometimes, if I sling it just right, it makes my dreaded upper region disappear.
This is so interesting. The FIRST item I bought after my top surgery was a messenger bag. I love the way they look across a male chest. i would look at bio guys/post op transguys wearing them and feel jealous.
With that said, I never use it. The logical place to carry it would be for work. But, it would create creases in my crisp dress shirts, so I carry by hand, or use a conservative briefcase.
I don't like the idea of a man purse, but it is a PIA to carry cell, wallet, and keys , everywhere. I am thinking of looking into those cell phone/wallet duos, but I don't think there is enough space in them for me.
I had already been on a wallet search. I am only on my 3rd wallet in 25 years (I get attached). I think I may go back to one of the old ones because it was perfect and it isn't demolished.
Kelt, I'm going to check out your links.
My EDC hasn't varied too much over the years, if anything I keep trying to minimize with an eventual goal of 'pockets of air'.
My wallet has been a simple leather card case with room for a few cards and some bills but the last few years I've usually just carried a stainless steel money clip with just my license, insurance card, 1 credit card, and rarely a bill for cash. Other than that, I have always carried a pocket knife and chapstick in one front pocket and a special little rouge case of my grandmothers in the other with meds in it.
Nowadays I carry my smartphone in the non-wallet back pocket which has moved my handkerchief to the a front pocket. Beyond that I will have either a house key if walking or the electric door opener if driving in my coin pocket. Because of climate I usually have sunglasses and depending on destination I may have readers and a book. I really prefer to carry as close to nothing as I can most of the time.
It's fascinating to see what others use although I'm pretty certain some is for show (three moleskins and four fancy pens?) for note taking I dictate into my phone. :confused:
I do like carefully curated personal belongings because I think you can learn a lot about a person by what they deem worthy of having on hand at all times.
bokster
05-25-2014, 05:44 PM
I like comfort over fashion so my default are jeans and tees. On hot days, a pair of shorts replaces the jeans.
But since I'm a single parent to three furry kids, and have to look credible as a management training consultant so I can continue to provide for them, I dress up when I meet with clients. That means wearing a crisply-ironed shirt with my jeans and leather shoes if it's a smart casual kind of meeting. If the nature of the meeting is serious, then I go corpy-dorpy with gray or black slacks and my favorite light pink shirt.
What's in my pockets: a black billfold that I try to keep as slim as possible as I put that in my right front pocket when I know that I'll be in a public place teeming with people. Mobile phone and car key in my left pocket.
When pockets are tight to put anything in them except for my wallet, then I use a small bag for my phone that I sling over my shoulders.
EnderD_503
07-29-2014, 01:36 PM
Need to get a haircut but keep putting it off. I always shave the sides/back myself and go to get the top cut every few months or sometimes even up to a year. The latter used to work when I had a proper undercut (metalhead style with longer hair tied back + undercut), would get it cut let it grow for a year repeat etc. But long hair + undercut seems to be the new hipster thing the last few years, so I started cutting my hair shorter, but still leaving it as an undercut since shaved sides have always suited me better. The last while its been like this:
Current haircut (http://e1.365dm.com/13/07/16-9/20/Mario-Gomez-Bayern-training_2969137.jpg?20130706120610)
Usually gelled back, occasionally to the side, with Axe Hold+Touch. These days I've often been getting lazy though and just let it flop where it wants, especially as its gotten longer (down to my ears now).
So am thinking of getting it cut even shorter this time so I'll be able to go longer between cuts. Was thinking something along the lines of:
Possible new haircut (http://sporteology.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/cristiano-ronaldo-hairstyle-2014-6.jpg)
Minus Ronaldo's fancy highlights :P Have similar complexion/face as him but I'm really not a highlights kind of guy lol
And as far as for shaving I've been thinking the last month or so of getting a Dovo shavette since they're cheaper than real straight razors. One of the places I used to go the guy there would always use a straight razor and it was the best feeling/cut ever and was a lot less irritating. So have been thinking lately to get one myself. Anyone have experience with shavettes rather than straight razors for shaving their heads?
okieblu
07-30-2014, 05:34 PM
Does anyone here know of a site, tutorials, that deals with changing or altering sewing patterns for men's clothes, for a butch dyke? I can't afford $200 or more for a tailored shirt, I can't find anyone who sews I can work out a deal with, so I'm gonna have to do this myself, damned it!
All the men's patterns, even the smallest size is too big and I can't find dress shirt patterns for adolescent boys. They seem to skip right over teens. From pre-teen kids to adult men.
Any advice or info? And yeah, thought I'd post this in the Femme section, as well.
Thanks
DapperButch
07-30-2014, 05:39 PM
Does anyone here know of a site, tutorials, that deals with changing or altering sewing patterns for men's clothes, for a butch dyke? I can't afford $200 or more for a tailored shirt, I can't find anyone who sews I can work out a deal with, so I'm gonna have to do this myself, damned it!
All the men's patterns, even the smallest size is too big and I can't find dress shirt patterns for adolescent boys. They seem to skip right over teens. From pre-teen kids to adult men.
Any advice or info? And yeah, thought I'd post this in the Femme section, as well.
Thanks
Calling Kelt!
I'm sure he will be along shortly, even if it is only with advice.
Does anyone here know of a site, tutorials, that deals with changing or altering sewing patterns for men's clothes, for a butch dyke? I can't afford $200 or more for a tailored shirt, I can't find anyone who sews I can work out a deal with, so I'm gonna have to do this myself, damned it!
All the men's patterns, even the smallest size is too big and I can't find dress shirt patterns for adolescent boys. They seem to skip right over teens. From pre-teen kids to adult men.
Any advice or info? And yeah, thought I'd post this in the Femme section, as well.
Thanks
Sounds like you may be "stature challenged" like me. If your on the small side both height and width there are a couple of things I've done to save on the $$. If you are handy enough to have a go at building shirts from scratch you may be able to do your own alterations. If not (like me) you might be able to hit a compromise.
I find that in some stores IF you can find a mens small that is actually small (try athletic cut) , they won't be in the folded shirt bin, as long as the shoulders and neck fit the sleeves can be 1-3cm too long and that looks all wrong. Having a tailor shorten the sleeves depending on cuff style isn't very expensive and if you've gotten it off the sales rack the total price will be okay.
The other is to hit the thrift/consignment/vintage shops. Frequently they will have older or european cuts that are smaller, if the shoulders and neck are good you can maybe have the side seams taken in a bit to avoid the baggies too.
If your big in the chest the side and back tapers can be your friend in avoiding the dreaded dart, but always, always, start with the shoulder fit. From there all else can be altered, and if you can do that yourself you're golden!
:thumbsup:
Oh hey! One more trick I found for myself; if you're looking for just everyday quality and you're good with white/light blue/ and white-light blue stripes then you're in luck. I've found that right about now when the stores are gearing up for back to school you can get really sturdy button ups in the boys department in the elusive big boy/very small man size WITH the right length sleeve. Try size 20. They are for school uniforms (think prep school) and are built hell-for-stout. Not too pricey either.
One more thought:
If you can find ONE shirt that works for you, take it apart carefully and you can use it as a pattern for making more.
:chaplin:
okieblu
07-31-2014, 08:17 AM
One more thought:
If you can find ONE shirt that works for you, take it apart carefully and you can use it as a pattern for making more.
:chaplin:
That's probably what I will end up doing. Get one well fitting boy's shirt, then use as a pattern. I can always adjust the sleeve length-they are usually a little short-and add french cuffs.
Thanks Kelt!
Hey Folks,
I found another source for outfit cards to help with the ever elusive 'casual' look.
Here ya go! http://uncrate.com/style/garb/
ProfPacker
08-14-2014, 09:17 AM
Great clothes. Just got my new loafers and waiting for some money to come in to buy clothes for play and teaching. Some days I have to wear old garb...some cropped pants which do look good on me....regardless of what I am wearing find that every tine I say ok won't pack today my briefs, which I love whether boxer briefs, briefs or athletic briefs go on and packer goes in. So I know clothes will have to accommodate packer.
Keltner like that like and the look I posted in gallery yesterday. But gap is more my price range, lol
wonderwoman
09-24-2014, 08:17 PM
I am currently a fashion design student in university. I am designing a gender neutral clothing line with an emphasis on masculine designs fitted to a female body type. I currently need to do research and was hoping some of you would be willing to complete a short, anonymous survey. The link is below.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HR6X9DV
TruTexan
09-24-2014, 08:49 PM
I am currently a fashion design student in university. I am designing a gender neutral clothing line with an emphasis on masculine designs fitted to a female body type. I currently need to do research and was hoping some of you would be willing to complete a short, anonymous survey. The link is below.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HR6X9DV
Survey is done for you wonderwoman. I was happy to help.
I am currently a fashion design student in university. I am designing a gender neutral clothing line with an emphasis on masculine designs fitted to a female body type. I currently need to do research and was hoping some of you would be willing to complete a short, anonymous survey. The link is below.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HR6X9DV
Completed, your choice of work will be appreciated.
Mel C.
09-24-2014, 09:48 PM
I currently need to do research and was hoping some of you would be willing to complete a short, anonymous survey. The link is below.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HR6X9DV
done. we are a compliant group, aren't we?
SleepyButch
10-10-2014, 08:20 AM
So I'm thinking about trying something new as far as fashion goes. I want to get a pair of trousers with the buttons for suspenders but am having a hell of a time finding anything.
Anyone have any suggestions? I know where to find formal pants but want something between casual and that if that that makes sense.
Okiebug61
10-10-2014, 08:52 AM
Here you go!
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Herringbone-Suspender-Pants/MR00189,default,pd.html
SleepyButch
10-10-2014, 09:00 AM
Here you go!
http://www.brooksbrothers.com/Herringbone-Suspender-Pants/MR00189,default,pd.html
I like those.. thank you. I'll have to look around that site and see if they have anything else as well!
Well, I just got my second haircut in my new location. I was a bit concerned about what kind of reception I would get in a conservative city an a conservative state. In some states barbers can refuse service to females (it's a different license) I don't know if it's true here, I just decided to give it a go and see what happened. I looked online, and found a couple of good prospects by reviews and one happened to be only a couple of blocks away. I figured to start close to home and if I got stink eye I had another to try up my sleeve.
What a great surprise. Johnny, the young guy that I'd read about didn't bat an eye and asked me the in normal barber speak what I wanted, added a couple of tips based on a look over of my growth pattern and did a great job. I usually get it blocked in the back and asked him instead to do a taper to try it out, I thought it might be easier than touching it up with a razor every few days. Bad idea on my part, it felt all weird on my collar. So today when I went back I decided to let the top grow a little more based on how well his cut was growing out and asked him to go ahead and re-block the back and burns. No only is he about the nicest guy you ever met but he is really careful and takes time to be a perfectionist. At the end he surprised me by doing a nice hot lather shave with a straight razor on the neck to make it just right.
I like this shop, it's quite plain, from I would guess the late 50's early 60's and pretty much original in equipment. They have these great original counter top vacuums for your head instead of just brushing and blowing about the little sharp cut bits. I've never seen them but it is great at making things 'no itch'. The older guy, maybe my age, might be an old closet queen though I can't quite decide yet.
Yeah, I think it's a keeper. A good sign of settling in is having a good comfortable barber shop around the corner.
randrum
01-27-2015, 08:29 AM
It is cool to know that other butches go to barbers to get their hair cut. I only recently started going to a barber myself. I've always had short hair, but with the way I like it cut and styled, I thought a barber may understand better.
The first barbershop I went to was a little iffy. They didn't refuse me service or anything, but I got a weird vibe while I was there.
Tried a new place yesterday. Floyd's 99 Barbershop. They're actually a chain. But I really liked it.
randrum
02-19-2015, 07:37 PM
Recently checked out Me Undies (http://www.meundies.com). I heard they make comfortable underwear. And I'm really picky about underwear.
Anyway, it's a cool site, with lots of choices. I especially liked all the variety of designs for trunks, which are hard to find in general let alone in fun patterns. I also thought it was cool they offer a subscription where you can get 1 (or more) new pairs in fun designs each month automatically.
Oh and I should mention they are comfortable too! Well made and a nice material. I ordered the surfboard ones and the lovestruck, which is the February design of the month.
I also got some cool socks. I figure if I have to dress up for work, might as well wear some fun stuff underneath. It's sort of my little secret (that I am now sharing with all of you).
Ginger
02-19-2015, 07:44 PM
Why is it such a turn-on, a butch woman in boxer shorts?
I'm dating someone and she was talking about taking her dog out early one morning and running into a neighbor in the elevator. "And there I was in my boxers and T shirt and flip-flops," she said, and I felt this little lurch on the attraction dial, in the right direction.
Why is that?
I tend to alternate between the hairdresser I have gone to for years, and a barber just down the street. The barber uses a straight razor on the back of my neck and gets it nice and close. I was a little worried the first time I went to him but never had any problems. More recent I have been loving button down shirts that have French cuffs so I can wear cufflinks I have a few pair and think they add a little something. But those shirts are not all that easy to find.:sunglass:
I'm a jeans wearing one till summertime and it's cargo shorts all the time.... I wear Nike's seems helping my back cause of the walking I do but T-shirts but when I dress up I have a buttoned up shirts....
Tuff Stuff
07-23-2015, 06:03 PM
I was born and raised in the city and I grew up in the hills.These days I wear mostly Levis jeans and tank tops(it being summer)and casual tshirts,cowboy boots,urban boots,military tactical boots...oh,I love my boots.I wear trucker caps or baseball caps to shield my eyes from the sun.I'm known to wear camouflage jackets,shirts,pants when i'm out with nature.I wear long sleeve mens shirts,cargo shorts(it being summer)..with a pair of boots,of course.When its 100 plus outside I don't wear much at home or at my private swimming hole.A suit and tie is not my every day wear idea but it sure looks good on some butches in this thread.I also wear leather,but thats for special ocassions.
randrum
12-17-2015, 07:35 PM
I wanted to tell everyone about a really good experience I had yesterday.
Now I'm definitely a jeans and t-shirt butch. Even for work, the extent of my "dressing up" is khakis and a polo. But I find myself needing something dressy for an engagement party I'm going to on New Year's Eve.
I decided to bite the bullet and get a nice suit. Something properly fitted and tailored. I decided to try Men's Wearhouse because that is their business. But I was a little worried because here I am, obviously female, walking into a Men's Wearhouse to get fitted for a suit.
Turns out I worried needlessly. What a great experience! They did not treat me differently or give me a hard time. In fact, they made me feel welcome and comfortable. Helped me find a suit that was sized right and had an in-house tailor to make the alterations necessary. They even helped me match shoes, shirts, ties... Everything I needed to complete the look.
Now I won't lie, it was more expensive than I had anticipated. But well worth it. I know that I'll be looking sharp for the party and walked out of there feeling very confident.
homoe
12-17-2015, 07:43 PM
I'm not a clothes horse, BUT I do think a nice white long sleeve shirt, black dress slacks and black dress shoes look rather good on me~!
Stone-Butch
12-17-2015, 08:28 PM
I wear black jeans, black T or black button down shirt and black suede cowboy boots or leather boots. I am told it looks good with my now pure white hair. What can I say. The ladies cant be wrong. Oh and a black dress jacket when needed.
DapperButch
12-18-2015, 06:41 AM
I wanted to tell everyone about a really good experience I had yesterday.
Now I'm definitely a jeans and t-shirt butch. Even for work, the extent of my "dressing up" is khakis and a polo. But I find myself needing something dressy for an engagement party I'm going to on New Year's Eve.
I decided to bite the bullet and get a nice suit. Something properly fitted and tailored. I decided to try Men's Wearhouse because that is their business. But I was a little worried because here I am, obviously female, walking into a Men's Wearhouse to get fitted for a suit.
Turns out I worried needlessly. What a great experience! They did not treat me differently or give me a hard time. In fact, they made me feel welcome and comfortable. Helped me find a suit that was sized right and had an in-house tailor to make the alterations necessary. They even helped me match shoes, shirts, ties... Everything I needed to complete the look.
Now I won't lie, it was more expensive than I had anticipated. But well worth it. I know that I'll be looking sharp for the party and walked out of there feeling very confident.
I have heard many times that Men's Wearhouse treats butches well and they don't bat an eye at a butch coming in. It must be something in their policies or something because I think the stores are all over the country.
BullDog
12-18-2015, 08:04 AM
Yes, I have had veru good experiences with Men's Wearhouse in several different states of the U.S.- in the East, West and South regions. They obviously train their staff well. I have been treated very well whether buying or renting in all stages- helping find clothes, fitting, tailoring, try on, picking up and returning (tuxedos).
Bèsame*
12-18-2015, 08:48 AM
My guy used to work for Men's Wearhouse. I love going thru his closet, he has the most wonderful collection! And actually, these past few weeks, he has been extra handsome in his choice of outfits and his choice of scent! Such a turn on from seeing his daily work outfit! Mmmmmmm, just saying 😍
JDeere
01-13-2016, 12:53 AM
I am not the Dapper/ GQ butch type, my girl happens to like me in my jeans and cowboy boots!
I told her however that IF we ever get married that I will wear a tux,something I have never worn before.
Men's Wearhouse is a good place to get clothes, they have treated some of my friends really well and they have great customer service as well. My brother used to work there so I am somewhat familiar with them.
DapperButch
04-26-2016, 03:41 PM
https://www.tomboytoes.com/
JDeere
08-23-2016, 05:03 PM
Being so short that you have to have all your pants cut and hemmed even though the pants are supposedly the length on the label.
Lol yeah this happens all the time.
homoe
08-23-2016, 05:29 PM
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Oh IF I was only young enough to pull this look off! I'd toss my boring old dull sneakers in the trash! Yup, these, a pair of jeans, and a Chicago Cub's baseball shirt and jacket and off I'd go!
JDeere
08-23-2016, 05:32 PM
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIvZHj1iZjTOXA7PDj99Ow8kAhlKNx2 b0dP99eg-eMp-hGPgld
Oh IF I was only young enough to pull this look off! I'd toss my boring old dull sneakers in the trash! Yup, these, a pair of jeans, and a Chicago Cub's baseball shirt and jacket and off I'd go!
You could pull that off. It's just a matter of doing it.
JDeere
08-26-2016, 04:35 PM
BUMP BUMP!!!!!
homoe
08-26-2016, 05:32 PM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnl78jICNnYKkc2A9FjMeJNydRzF1pU YfAjV-zVCqa1sWBdTP4Uw
Time to think flannel :hangloose:
JDeere
08-26-2016, 05:50 PM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnl78jICNnYKkc2A9FjMeJNydRzF1pU YfAjV-zVCqa1sWBdTP4Uw
Time to think flannel :hangloose:
Oh my flannel in August?
homoe
08-26-2016, 05:56 PM
One must shop early....LOL
JDeere
08-26-2016, 06:56 PM
One must shop early....LOL
Lol. I can't do flannel, it doesn't get cold enough here for them. But I see native Texans wear them due to not knowing the 50 degrees is not that cold.
homoe
08-27-2016, 05:21 PM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTnl78jICNnYKkc2A9FjMeJNydRzF1pU YfAjV-zVCqa1sWBdTP4Uw
Time to think flannel :hangloose:
Temperature dropped 20 degrees here, I knew I should of gotten that shirt!
JDeere
08-27-2016, 09:39 PM
Lol that's your fault for not getting the shirt. :p
JDeere
09-04-2016, 08:01 PM
Any of yall ever bought from dapper boi?
http://www.dapperboi.com/
Medusa
09-04-2016, 08:22 PM
I've always loved a crisp white button up shirt so starched that it could stand up on it's own.
Bonus points for French cuffs!
DapperButch
09-04-2016, 09:43 PM
Any of yall ever bought from dapper boi?
http://www.dapperboi.com/
This looks like a very good deal for a butch who has a hard time buying men's shirts due to wider hips and buttocks (per site). It's available for 14 more days.
JDeere
09-05-2016, 11:33 AM
This looks like a very good deal for a butch who has a hard time buying men's shirts due to wider hips and buttocks (per site). It's available for 14 more days.
Not my thing but I figured I would post it for the others.
Gemme
09-05-2016, 11:50 AM
Any of yall ever bought from dapper boi?
http://www.dapperboi.com/
Love this shirt (http://www.dapperboi.com/products/dark-grey-chambray-button-up-shirt)!
JDeere
09-09-2016, 10:45 PM
Love this shirt (http://www.dapperboi.com/products/dark-grey-chambray-button-up-shirt)!
It's nice I must admit but right now they don't make big Boi sizes.
homoe
09-15-2016, 09:07 AM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRuZZ45q61iDxLGoXCAJtkKJ8Q8mu8Ga W-hp6EvKLoCWRxtjrL27A
Now That's What I'm Talkin Bout:hangloose:
Wrang1er
09-15-2016, 11:41 AM
This looks like a very good deal for a butch who has a hard time buying men's shirts due to wider hips and buttocks (per site). It's available for 14 more days.
This is a great shirt just not crazy about the pocket.
Sweet Bliss
09-15-2016, 11:59 AM
This is a great shirt just not crazy about the pocket.
hire seamstress to remove it.
Wrang1er
09-15-2016, 12:05 PM
hire seamstress to remove it.
Thanks for the tip but I think one might be able to tell there was once a pocket.
JDeere
09-15-2016, 08:33 PM
This is a great shirt just not crazy about the pocket.
Most of my shirts, nice ones have pockets but this type of shirt shouldn't have a pocket. Looks classier without one.
Wrang1er
09-15-2016, 08:41 PM
Most of my shirts, nice ones have pockets but this type of shirt shouldn't have a pocket. Looks classier without one.
I don't do any shirts with pockets. I don't want to draw attention to my chest.
JDeere
09-15-2016, 09:55 PM
I don't do any shirts with pockets. I don't want to draw attention to my chest.
I can understand that.
Sweet Bliss
09-16-2016, 04:35 AM
Thanks for the tip but I think one might be able to tell there was once a pocket.
Not if done by professional. After steam pressing there will be no marks.
Such a repair can be done well. If not washed and dried it's an easy fix.
JDeere
09-20-2016, 08:58 PM
I have kinda become accustomed to khakis and polos, again!
I guess due to ALOT of job interviews you start to get comfortable in certain clothes, plus dropping 26 pounds in a year has helped too.
JDeere
09-20-2016, 09:31 PM
I found another site but this time it is for underwear, it's not men's underwear but underwear that looks like men's but fits the body. I find it expensive but may purchase a pair to see if they fit better then what I currently wear.
https://tomboyx.com/
Gayandgray
09-21-2016, 12:38 PM
I found another site but this time it is for underwear, it's not men's underwear but underwear that looks like men's but fits the body. I find it expensive but may purchase a pair to see if they fit better then what I currently wear.
https://tomboyx.com/
Hey thank u for posting this! I checked out their site and they have some good stuff!:hangloose::hangloose:
JDeere
09-21-2016, 09:33 PM
Hey thank u for posting this! I checked out their site and they have some good stuff!:hangloose::hangloose:
Yes they do. Glad you found the link helpful.
JDeere
11-04-2016, 01:51 AM
Do yall dress according to what your partner likes or what you find comfortable for you?
My gf loves me in polo shirts for some reason, I go along with it at first but now I don't mind looking nice for her. Lol she's the only gf that I have actually dressed up for.
DapperButch
11-04-2016, 06:07 AM
Do yall dress according to what your partner likes or what you find comfortable for you?
My gf loves me in polo shirts for some reason, I go along with it at first but now I don't mind looking nice for her. Lol she's the only gf that I have actually dressed up for.
I honestly have never had a GF not like the way I dressed. So, changing style in any way has never been a problem. My GFs have suggested certain colors if I am trying on clothes in a store, and I will often go with what they like. I tend to trust the people's opinion that I date. I suppose that is because I typically couple with people who in my opinion (ha), has good taste/wears what looks good on them. If my partner and I are going out somewhere dressed up, I always encourage them to tell me what they would like me to wear. Too, if I presenting at a conference or some other professional affair where I will be "front and center", I tend to go with their suggestions.
I also wouldn't be adverse to trying a different style in the store if they thought it would look good on me. However, no one has ever suggested I wear something that I wasn't comfortable in. But, in the off chance that someone asked me to wear something that I wasn't comfortable in, I would try it, but unless I liked it, no, I wouldn't wear it. I am also comfortable letting my GFs know what I prefer on them. This would be clothing styles that are already a part of their wardrobe. I don't have a sense of the latest "trends" that women are wearing, so it is not like I ever come "home" and make random suggestions. Too, it isn't important to me that my GF is wearing the "latest trend", I just like whatever I think is most flattering to the person...and like I said, my comments would only come from their current wardrobe.
deeds
11-04-2016, 11:02 AM
I wear black shirts with tiny spots of brown colored bleach stains..The other night a black kitten in distress found me while doing my laundry and I brought her in to feed and water. She totally compliments my attire and blends right into my apartment. She is so cute with her little brown spindle spots scattered here and there..I swear I did not spill bleach on her, but one would think that..
JDeere
11-07-2016, 08:45 PM
Any of y'all have issues with certain brands of clothing not fitting like others? I find this really frustrating.
DapperButch
11-07-2016, 09:17 PM
Any of y'all have issues with certain brands of clothing not fitting like others? I find this really frustrating.
All bodies are different and not all brands work for everyone. The key is to find a brand that works for your body. I think a well fit piece of clothing is much more important than brands. A good tailor can also help to shorten arms of shirts (pretty cheaply), if that is something you are running into. That can be a problem for some butches, regardless of brand.
JDeere
11-07-2016, 09:21 PM
All bodies are different and not all brands work for everyone. The key is to find a brand that works for your body. I think a well fit piece of clothing is much more important than brands. A good tailor can also help to shorten arms of shirts (pretty cheaply), if that is something you are running into. That can be a problem for some butches, regardless of brand.
Yes the arms at times. Being I'm so short lol
JDeere
01-13-2017, 10:10 AM
For the big bois here is a link to some good quality clothes but I find them to be a bit expensive.
http://www.destinationxl.com/mens-big-and-tall-store/
JDeere
01-17-2017, 02:11 PM
Okay advice, I might be working in an office environment, I have NO clue on how to really dress for that.
I don't wear suits so that's out, so would khakis and dress pants with nice shirts work?
Okay advice, I might be working in an office environment, I have NO clue on how to really dress for that.
I don't wear suits so that's out, so would khakis and dress pants with nice shirts work?
Is there any way to scope it out ahead of time? Walk through the building maybe? Seeing what others are wearing would help. On a first day I'd rather be a little more dressed than under dressed. Your plan sounds pretty good for most offices (I don't know what kind of business you're waking into).
Do you have anything like a sport jacket you can show up in and then just take off if it's too much?
JDeere
01-17-2017, 05:31 PM
Is there any way to scope it out ahead of time? Walk through the building maybe? Seeing what others are wearing would help. On a first day I'd rather be a little more dressed than under dressed. Your plan sounds pretty good for most offices (I don't know what kind of business you're waking into).
Do you have anything like a sport jacket you can show up in and then just take off if it's too much?
No, no walk through on this job and I don't own a suit or anything like that.
It's a county job, I got the dress code but it was kind of vague. So I think it's going to be one of those you show up and they will tell ya what you can and can't wear.
No, no walk through on this job and I don't own a suit or anything like that.
It's a county job, I got the dress code but it was kind of vague. So I think it's going to be one of those you show up and they will tell ya what you can and can't wear.
I think you'll be just fine. :)
For a future closet item, it doesn't need to be a suit, I never wear those, but look around local thrift stores. I've found great sport jackets for dirt cheap, which is good because I always have to shorten the sleeves a bit, about $20. Anyway, a jacket like that can add to khakis and a button up without being stuffy. It's a nice option to have around sometimes, looks good with jeans and boots too. :cowboy:
Good luck on the job.
JDeere
01-17-2017, 07:27 PM
I think you'll be just fine. :)
For a future closet item, it doesn't need to be a suit, I never wear those, but look around local thrift stores. I've found great sport jackets for dirt cheap, which is good because I always have to shorten the sleeves a bit, about $20. Anyway, a jacket like that can add to khakis and a button up without being stuffy. It's a nice option to have around sometimes, looks good with jeans and boots too. :cowboy:
Good luck on the job.
Thank you! Much appreciated!
homoe
01-23-2017, 06:26 AM
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homoe
01-23-2017, 06:29 AM
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homoe
01-23-2017, 06:31 AM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQdkxWPVwysnoUL2P6fim0uUgZhwDlx2 6JfNQdgwozTYUh_nccm
JDeere
01-28-2017, 10:41 AM
The khakis/slacks and polo shirt combo are fine at work.
I am the only butch at the office surrounded by a huge majority of the female species LOL
homoe
01-28-2017, 10:49 AM
The khakis/slacks and polo shirt combo are fine at work.
I am the only butch at the office surrounded by a huge majority of the female species LOL
My condolences ............:lol2:
JDeere
01-28-2017, 10:55 AM
My condolences ............:lol2:
HAHAHAHAH homoe!
homoe
01-28-2017, 11:11 AM
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apollo
02-01-2017, 08:14 PM
I think you'll be just fine. :)
For a future closet item, it doesn't need to be a suit, I never wear those, but look around local thrift stores. I've found great sport jackets for dirt cheap, which is good because I always have to shorten the sleeves a bit, about $20. Anyway, a jacket like that can add to khakis and a button up without being stuffy. It's a nice option to have around sometimes, looks good with jeans and boots too. :cowboy:
Good luck on the job.
I second the thrift store! they always have such weird selections but i can usually find something with my kind of weird. i hate my body though so i'm always putting on layer after layer, even in the summer lol. lots of hoodies for this butch.
JDeere
02-04-2017, 10:03 AM
I second the thrift store! they always have such weird selections but i can usually find something with my kind of weird. i hate my body though so i'm always putting on layer after layer, even in the summer lol. lots of hoodies for this butch.
I hit up the thrift store but couldn't find anything in my size as far as pants go, I am in dire need of another pair of pants, for work.
They however had an awesome pair of old school Jordans in my size.
homoe
02-05-2017, 11:12 AM
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homoe
02-05-2017, 11:24 AM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/59/f4/d159f47c42ce4fddf6f752a1d9fcabb7.jpg
homoe
02-05-2017, 11:27 AM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQh-HYONbha0qN04wwnZOnFlzEcPk_7MWLFuuiNRzBrm1id-7N
homoe
02-05-2017, 12:03 PM
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DapperButch
02-05-2017, 02:46 PM
I have fallen IN LOVE with True Religion jeans. They say there is a fit for everyone's body type and I believe that. I never considered them before due to cost, but I got two pairs for 1/3 of the price right after Christmas. I have always wanted a pair (love the ones that have the flap pockets and bright stitching), but never bothered to go into a store due to cost. So glad I did that day.
Since I only wear jeans on weekends, not to work or anything, they should last a long time.
The only bummer about them is that they are all the same long length. You have to get them to tailor them if you want their stitching used. $14 a pair.
The Geno is my fit. They are slim cut.
DapperButch
02-05-2017, 02:46 PM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/59/f4/d159f47c42ce4fddf6f752a1d9fcabb7.jpg
Love this shirt. I am keen on slim fit shirts for work.
JDeere
03-17-2017, 07:49 PM
Who else here wears khakis to work? What shirts do ya'll wear with them? I'm trying to broaden my range of shirts for work, especially if I get hired on permanently.
DapperButch
03-17-2017, 08:06 PM
Who else here wears khakis to work? What shirts do ya'll wear with them? I'm trying to broaden my range of shirts for work, especially if I get hired on permanently.
You mean just besides regular dress shirts? You can pair sweater vests with them. Depending on how casual you can go at work, you can wear a golf shirt with khakis, without or without a white t-shirt under them. I am not sure what other shirts you mean. That is pretty much the only shirts guys wear.
homoe
03-17-2017, 08:13 PM
Who else here wears khakis to work? What shirts do ya'll wear with them? I'm trying to broaden my range of shirts for work, especially if I get hired on permanently.
JD if you can find another khaki shirt similar to the pants try that with a color undershirt separating the two khakis. My wardrobe consists of lots of colored over shirts with black or navy t-shirts underneath them!
JDeere
03-17-2017, 08:17 PM
I've been wearing Polo shirts mainly because its quick and easy to wear in a pinch, when I am running late, which is often LOL
I meant other than polo shirts!
homoe
03-19-2017, 06:32 PM
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Dont forget the Astros. My grampa took me to the games when I was a kid. :)
homoe
03-19-2017, 06:38 PM
Dont forget the Astros. My grampa took me to the games when I was a kid. :)
WOW they had baseball way back then? :giggle:
WOW they had baseball way back then? :giggle:
Haha!!! Yep or maybe they were throwing potatoes until the ball was invented.
homoe
03-19-2017, 07:47 PM
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homoe
03-25-2017, 07:43 PM
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homoe
03-28-2017, 09:11 AM
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homoe
03-28-2017, 09:19 AM
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JDeere
04-16-2017, 10:47 PM
BUMP!
How are yall posting pictures? through photobucket or?
homoe
04-17-2017, 07:36 AM
JD, I get mine from all over. Everywhere from catalog sites I've ordered from to google image.
JDeere
04-17-2017, 07:37 PM
JD, I get mine from all over. Everywhere from catalog sites I've ordered from to google image.
Okay good, I don't want to add more stuff to my photobucket just to post in here!
I was wondering if anyone wears masculine jewelry?
I used to wear my college ring but it seemed uncomfortable on my finger so I don't wear it anymore.
Anyone wear jewelry?
I was wondering if anyone wears masculine jewelry?
I used to wear my college ring but it seemed uncomfortable on my finger so I don't wear it anymore.
Anyone wear jewelry?
I do, Chaqueso!
I have a sterling silver pride ring, a gold belt buckle with tiny diamonds ring, and I wear a heavy stainless steel nautical cut neck chain & a matching bracelet.
DapperButch
04-22-2017, 09:18 AM
I was wondering if anyone wears masculine jewelry?
I used to wear my college ring but it seemed uncomfortable on my finger so I don't wear it anymore.
Anyone wear jewelry?
I wore one high quality matte sterling silver ring for over 20 years and wore a couple stainless steel rings periodically for many, many years until testosterone increased my ring size :( I am not keen on bracelets or necklaces, but I love watches.
I do like the look of masculine jewelry on butches, if that is what you are asking. I don't like the look of a lot of pieces of jewelry on me at the same time. Just a simple ring and a watch.
Wrang1er
04-22-2017, 10:39 AM
I wear a necklace once in a while. I use to wear a watch but not any longer. Since I was diagnosed with RA watches, rings and bracelets all feel constricting to me.
JDeere
04-22-2017, 11:25 AM
I wear a men's necklace and watch, most of the bracelets I own and wear on occasion are masculine. My rings are guys rings, I mainly wear them on my middle and thumb fingers.
Gayandgray
04-22-2017, 11:55 AM
My spouse wears a masculine wedding band, a heavy chain with a cross that is kinda masculine, and a men's heavy silver bracelet. I forget what it is but it's not sterling?
JDeere
04-22-2017, 11:59 AM
I cant wear a lot of masculine or mens stuff because its way too big but there are some pieces that are decent size. I have a butch friend who can wear and buys hys stuff off a website, I will find it and post the link in here in a bit.
JDeere
04-22-2017, 12:23 PM
http://www.tribalhollywood.com/tribal-necklaces-mens
Try this, my buddy say this is one hy uses.
Glenn
04-22-2017, 01:46 PM
I was wondering if anyone wears masculine jewelry?
I used to wear my college ring but it seemed uncomfortable on my finger so I don't wear it anymore.
Anyone wear jewelry?
In my family tradition, after the Matriarchy passed, her jewelry was supposed to be inherited by the next oldest female. When the time came to be my turn to inherit the jewelry, the entire family knew I was born a Butch, that Never wore feminine jewelry. I knew the next in line after me loved to wear feminine jewelry, so I broke the tradition and told my aunt to leave the jewelry to her, except for my grandfather's 32nd degree mason ring, which I still wear today.
JDeere
04-23-2017, 08:48 PM
BUMP BUMP BUMP BUMP!
In my family tradition, after the Matriarchy passed, her jewelry was supposed to be inherited by the next oldest female. When the time came to be my turn to inherit the jewelry, the entire family knew I was born a Butch, that Never wore feminine jewelry. I knew the next in line after me loved to wear feminine jewelry, so I broke the tradition and told my aunt to leave the jewelry to her, except for my grandfather's 32nd degree mason ring, which I still wear today.
Hi Glenn,
A Mason ring is so cool. Thank you for sharing.
Chad
ClintB
04-30-2017, 09:51 PM
I have one ring that I purchased twice at the state fair... after. I lost the first one. 15 dollar cheap thing, but I love it because it is still so fitting to me after all these years.
I used to wear leather cuffs, but that was back in my younger years. I've been wanting a simple lather bracelet though.
JDeere
05-02-2017, 08:35 PM
I have one ring that I purchased twice at the state fair... after. I lost the first one. 15 dollar cheap thing, but I love it because it is still so fitting to me after all these years.
I used to wear leather cuffs, but that was back in my younger years. I've been wanting a simple lather bracelet though.
Have you tried searching online for bracelets?
JDeere
05-06-2017, 09:57 AM
BUMP BUMP WHO IS AWAKE?
Gayandgray
05-06-2017, 08:54 PM
BUMP BUMP WHO IS AWAKE?
I am!!! :hangloose::hangloose:
cathexis
05-07-2017, 03:00 AM
BUMP BUMP WHO IS AWAKE?
Yo! I'm awake as usual.
Hey hope this is ok place to post. Anyone here have a good recommendation for henleys? I think this (https://huckberry.com/store/flint-and-tinder/category/p/40610-marled-ls-henley) is absolutely perfect but the length g on these is obvious for tall people. This thing would come down to my thighs.
Thanks
ClintB
05-07-2017, 10:34 PM
I got a couple at JC Penny for cheap I really like, I guess I'm not super fashionable though, I tend to grab whatever is good enough
DapperButch
05-08-2017, 05:47 AM
Hey hope this is ok place to post. Anyone here have a good recommendation for henleys? I think this (https://huckberry.com/store/flint-and-tinder/category/p/40610-marled-ls-henley) is absolutely perfect but the length g on these is obvious for tall people. This thing would come down to my thighs.
Thanks
Unless you really like that brand, you can find much cheaper henleys. They are all over. Check to see if Old Navy has some.
Yeah thanks for the recommendations. I guess I just wish there were more sites like the one I linked to specifically for butch women or even just short men really. I've gotten into men's fashion in the past few years and there is a lot of real nice stuff out there but most of it doesn't fit me usually shirt length and sleeve length is too long. (Sad face)
stonebutchjack
05-09-2017, 04:53 PM
Right now because it gets way to warm for jeans, I wear cargo shorts and t-shirts along with my black combat boots. I also tie a flannel shirt around my waist and wear a snapback because I like the look.
In winter it is lots of flannel and jeans the combat boots are a staple regardless of weather.
JDeere
05-09-2017, 06:45 PM
I have the same issue with length on clothes, I am hella short so almost everything is either too wide or too long, except when they shrink!!!!
I find that when I buy polos for work, I get a 2xlt, so it doesn't shrink as much and it fits good. That is work attire, which is what I wear now about 85 percent of the time during the week. LE Sigh.
cathexis
05-31-2017, 06:57 PM
I was wondering if anyone wears masculine jewelry?
I used to wear my college ring but it seemed uncomfortable on my finger so I don't wear it anymore.
Anyone wear jewelry?
I wear a survival knife replica on a neck chain.
ClintB
06-03-2017, 11:08 PM
What the heck do people do about dress shirts. By the time I get men's to fit my chest, they look rediculous.
I actually bought a woman's on today. Ya know, it isn't the tag that pisses me off about women's clothing. It's that every damned inch of how they are made is to sexualize and accentuate shit that not every one likes shown off. I don't think it's even just about being MOC, there have to be femmenine women who also don't want their bodies accentuated that way, at lest not all the time. That isn't to say it's wrong if you like looking that way, but where is the variety?
Anyway, my struggle is that I have to dress for a conservative cousins wedding. I'm told the attire is "cocktail." A shirt and tie seems obvious but I cannot get dress shirts to fit right. And well, from my griping above you can tell that finding a simple white button up in the women's department can't be done without darts (thank god this one at least buttons all the way up)
JDeere
06-04-2017, 08:38 AM
What the heck do people do about dress shirts. By the time I get men's to fit my chest, they look rediculous.
I actually bought a woman's on today. Ya know, it isn't the tag that pisses me off about women's clothing. It's that every damned inch of how they are made is to sexualize and accentuate shit that not every one likes shown off. I don't think it's even just about being MOC, there have to be femmenine women who also don't want their bodies accentuated that way, at lest not all the time. That isn't to say it's wrong if you like looking that way, but where is the variety?
Anyway, my struggle is that I have to dress for a conservative cousins wedding. I'm told the attire is "cocktail." A shirt and tie seems obvious but I cannot get dress shirts to fit right. And well, from my griping above you can tell that finding a simple white button up in the women's department can't be done without darts (thank god this one at least buttons all the way up)
I wear mens button down shirts, I don't have any issues with how they look on me, just the arms are too long LOL.. I am very short so about everything is too long on me.
A suggestion maybe to go to a tailor or order one online from a butch outfitters company, they make them actually fit a butches body and they are pretty nice shirts too.
knight
06-04-2017, 12:46 PM
I wear mens button down shirts, I don't have any issues with how they look on me, just the arms are too long LOL.. I am very short so about everything is too long on me.
A suggestion maybe to go to a tailor or order one online from a butch outfitters company, they make them actually fit a butches body and they are pretty nice shirts too.
I agree with JD.. mens dress shirts do not work for all body types... for me the vintage fitted shirts seem to work great.... but a great resource for shirts is the Dapper Q site... which i follow.. its very helpful..
knight
06-04-2017, 12:56 PM
As far as bracelets i am a huge fan of buddhist prayer beads...(Mala Beads)
homoe
06-04-2017, 05:10 PM
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSNLGUbPZESETvx0w0sTfl5BDntnUzCs HHqDHxouqoGyV69RQhB1A
I don't wear much green, but this shade with a black t-shirt underneath looks good on me :hangloose:
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