yes....the worst part is when they say why not just be with a bio male....ive tried explaining this over and over some get it some dont...

Im sorry you had this experience i hope you co worker wakes up and smells the coffee

Whenever some ass says, "If that's who you're attracted to, why not just be with a man?", I take a deep breath, look at them pointedly, and say, "Because I'm a lesbian". I make sure to say it in my sternest voice as I stare them down. GRRRRR.

If I'm feeling particularly generous I'll add that masculinity is not the sole provenance of males any more than femininity is strictly the provenance of females.

Last night as I walked out to the parking lot there were two gorgeous butches chatting next to the security gate. As I walked by I smiled and made eye contact, and they quickly looked away. What the heck do I have to do, wear a rainbow t-shirt every day to get my point across? One of them I've seen a few times around the site but never get to talk to. *sigh* I'm sick to death of being categorized as one of the straight women who work here.

I went to therapy for gender dysphoria. The therapist's first suggestion for me was, "why don't I try to dress more feminine?" :) Then this woman who stated she was originally from the North and that made her more liberal and open-minded said ALL lesbians were sexually molested and that's why they are lesbians. I asked so that's your theory? She said no, it's a fact. The sad part is she a helping professional.

Whoa! Just, whoa. Have you thought of reporting this person to the Medical Board?

whoa.

Every time I read something like this it just gets my blood boiling. I'm glad you managed to sort it out without her, uhhh, help.

AGREED!!!!!!! This person should be reported! That's horrible!!!

Reading this just makes me seethe! This so called "professional" probably has the same kinds of degrees and state approved licenses that I and many others that are in the field have.

I hate this! And I have to say that it isn't the first time I have read about or personally come across therapists like this. If this person really does hold a valid state license- REPORT (this is mal-practice/incompetence)!!! Sometimes therapists (depending on the state requirements and laws) can practice in a state without a professional license. Consequently, there is really no legal remedy for the harm that someone with this lack of knowledge and down right incompetence can do.

It is so important to check on the credentials of a therapist before seeing them. Also, go to your state's licensing board's website and see if non-licensed therapists are allowed to practice in your state in any form. In most states, even those with "in-active" status of their license cannot practice.

This is a very real problem and look at what can happen to people in our community when these idiots are out there practicing! You can also (in most states in the US), look up any prior infractions or mal-practice claims against a clinician. Plus, there is some good information on how to select a therapist written- and how to conduct pre-selection interview with a prospective therapist.

A fully licensed clinician has to have their state licensing registration number on all ads and business cards- you can look this number up on a state licensing board's website.

Unfortunately, I didn't report her. She claimed to be licensed and in good current standing with state licensing board.

Many of the LPCs are not required to take courses that address LGBT issues. However, they are supposed to be trained in ethics and diversity. So, I would hope to see a certain measure of understanding or recognition that people have their own unique personal experiences which shape who they are and how they perceive their world. She had none of that.

It is really scary thinking about some young, suicidal, easily influenced girl receiving counseling for her "homosexual" thoughts. This counselor may have her convinced that she was molested and only needs to resolve symptoms of PTSD to recover. It's a shame.

So how do you deal with the invisibility? Specifically, how do you combat it? it really brings me down when i'm assumed to be straight.

It depends on the situation and my level of investment in the person. It gets to me too, but I do enjoy the deer- in- the -headlights look when they figure it out. I wouldn't say that I combat it, just change their perception.

I am not particularly visible in day to day situations, I don't mind it too much most of the time, because my sexuality doesn't define me 24.7.

However one thing that I do find exciting is when I am talking to a sexy butch and she recognises the subtle prolonged eye contact and begins to notice that I am flirting with her. :eyebat:

As I've gotten more "mature" (read as past 50) I have amazed myself at how much I've changed and stayed the same... Most folks see me as straight, and do a double take when they find out different. Which I find delightful, :jester: because it means at times I am completely invisible, (read ignored), which at times is extremely maddening. A friend commented to me once, "wow, men (bio) and women are both attracted to you? That must be wonderful!" And I'm thinking, not really, cause the Butch I want looks at me and treats me like his sister. So now when I see a Butch I'm interested in or other woman I'm attracted to for "whatever" (yes, i love all kinds of folks) if I were in your place approaching a "hottie" (whatever that means to you) I'd find a way to make sure that person "understands" that I'm liking what I'm seeing. So I get "ballsy" (so to speak) and make a comment, like for instance...

in the case of someone in uniform.... I might ask them to escort me to my car

or in the grocery store...... "excuse me, do you know anything about _____?"

or in other situations, a simple comment about their appearance usually breaks the ice.

Just a look from me does not do much, however if I wink, or do my "mmm, you look delicious" look + slow wicked smile, or after I pass by them, turn around for a second long look, I find it works more effectively then just eye contact. Trust me, honey, if you turn around for a better look, or stop and say something like, "Sugar, you MAKE that uniform...."... be sure and sashaye your hips, so when he/she watches you walk away, it's with interest....

Of course my favorite move is to cook something sweet for someone I have my eye on...... Like that hottie at Home Depot.... Lordie, I'm gonna faint if she ever ...... well, that's another thread....:goodluck:

Remember this mantra, "I am a sexy, delightful woman, (or what works for ya) and desirable, ....(you get the picture?)...." If you KNOW you are attracted to xyz, put that vibe out there, like "ya, I'm delicious!!"

Just my nickel today, do what you are comfortable with, put your personal spin on being your special self.

What a wonderful thread! You know, this is one of the reasons I signed on to this website!
I came out at a late age, at 49. Before that I was married twice. I always KNEW there was something about me, but for whatever reason, had to come out when I did.
I am tall, and I used to be a BBW. When I came across online boards for B/F topics, I knew I didn't FEEL like a butch, nor did I look anything like one. But then, with society's conditioning, I also didn't fir the mold or internal "picture" in my mind as to looking like a Femme. To *ME*, a femme was short, tiny, beautiful long nails and long hair, etc. At 5'11", I felt more like a bull in a china shop! I asked this friend once, she was this cute little boi, if I could be considered a femme. She just laughed and asked what ELSE I could think I was! DUH!
When I did come out, at 49 (looking totally white-bread Grandma look), I was desparate to "look the part". I cut my hair short, spiked it up, ANYTHING to "look" gay, or to be acknowledged as a lesbian.
I still get frustrated because I blend in and look "too straight", IE: I don't get acknowledged as gay. I say I don't set ANYONE'S gaydar off. Grrrr!

My POV
 

You know how straight girls different from us (Femmes)?

Soon as you have a conversation with us, our feminism, politics, acceptance of the diversity that surrounds us is spilled like paint on canvas through our words.

Straight gals not so much most of the time:)

I could not have said it better myself Lady Snow! I am visable as a Femme only on two occasions...when I am with Kasey, and when I tell them like it is! LOL I have gotten much bolder in my old age, having been too shy for most of my life.

I found this on Huff Po Lesbian section today. This seemed to be the best thread to put it in. It is about a year old.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/megan-...hp_ref=lesbian

Femme Invisibility
Posted: 01/28/2012 12:17 pm

If asked to think of a lesbian, most people's thoughts drift to the stereotypical image of a butch lesbian. It may come as a surprise to some that this is not the only type of lesbian that exists, oh no -- there are some who are "femmes." <snip>

Thanks for posting.

I enjoyed this article, except for one line.

The author used femme "AKA" sometimes known as lipstick lesbians. I struggle with this term too often being equivocated with femme. I understand why she wrote it and what she meant, it just was unnecessary IMHO.

Femmes preferences for mates should not be connected at all to the femme label/identification.

Anyone else have thoughts on it?

Hated the article, not least of all because of the stereotyping inherent in the author's take on what constitutes femme.

For example...did she bother to ask the ten women whose photos were shown in the gallery if they consider themselves femme or did she simply assume that because they're pretty and wear dresses and make up that they couldn't possibly be anything but?

If anything, the article left me feeling even more invisible than I felt before.

Words

Point well taken on the gallery (I hadn't even looked at the pictures)
Thank you for pointing that out.

Ironically in fact about half of them were tv characters that are played by straight (or not known to be out women). For example Santana from Glee, the girl from PLL, the two Grey's characters -Calizona :)

Blog style articles tend to be from an author's POV. And she also has started a submission project of pictures from self defined femmes on her blog.

Ladies, what experiences would you relay to the world if you were to write a Huff Post article on femme invisibility ?