Originally Posted by Medusa (Post 754957)

Preface: These are only my opinions and I don't mean to come off like a fan-girl for AiV but dammit! Oh, and this post might end up costing you a lot of money. Sorry. You'll thank me later.

Y'all - I have read a LOT of posts about Alice in Vapeland over on Facebook, Twitter, the e-cig forums and have even seen review vids on Youtube hyping this company as one of the most amazing juice experiences ever. Needless to say, I was curious.

I placed an order back on January 30th. (all of my juice is 0 nic) I knew going in that the wait time would be massive because this company has apparently become so popular in the last 9 months that orders are taking like 3 weeks to get to people AND they are having to shut their website down for ordering almost 5 days out of the week in order to catch up. They are trying to remedy this by hiring more people but it was a very small 2-person operation up until about a month ago.

I received my order yesterday and was delighted to see this box:

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Now, another preface is that I am a sucker for good marketing and these folks definitely believe in putting time into their presentation. Another thing to mention is that their flavors are pretty renowned for being "artisanal" and "different". Lots of tea-based flavors and lots of nice citrus.

I ordered the "Little Bit of Everything" sampler which gives you 15 tiny little 5ml bottles of every flavor they have.

When I opened the box, I was greeted with this:

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And YES, I love the little Alice-themed playing cards and personalized message. On the back of the message is a receipt for my purchase, order number, and a phone number to call for questions.

Under the receipt was this. BEHOLD:

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As far as the flavors, I usually do a "dot test" on the back of my hand and taste a dot of the juice before I vape it to get a good idea of what to expect. They all tasted pretty amazing except for "White Rabbit" which had a peppery taste. I know this is not a litmus test since these flavors are meant to be vaped and not drank but I was surely tempted to turn up the bottles and squeeze each one into my mouth, they were that good.

Another preface is that AiV juices are much "lighter" in flavor than other juice. This is not a bad thing. Your mouth doesn't get overwhelmed with a saccharin sweet film of flavor and you actually enjoy each vape as a delicacy. Think of it as the difference between a ribeye steak perfectly cooked so that it needs no sauce and a deep-fried monstrosity covered in every sickening condiment known to man so that the flavor is overwhelming and thus, imperceptible.

"Lemon Loves Cake" is an amazing blend of light, buttery poundcake with a custardy lemon undertone. And it's not the nasty, Lysol-tasting lemon that I've encountered with other vendors. It's muted. It is airy and delightful and I will definitely be ordering another bottle (a HUGE ONE!) of this!

"Black and White Cookie" - If you want to vape an Oreo cookie, vape this! This is a rich, chocolately/vanilla blend with a nice cookie biscuit undertone. Probably the best chocolate flavor I have ever vaped. A huge bottle of this will be ordered!

"Cupcake City" - Holy Buttery Homemade Cupcakes, Vapeman! This made me think of giant, fluffy french vanilla cupcakes coated with whipped buttercream. Super delicious! WANT. MORE.

"Cherry Blossom" - Cherries and something mildly floral. NOT perfume-floral, but floral in the way of inhaling a nice jasmine or honeysuckle. Mouthwatering and divine!

"Bandersnatch" - I'm a banana hound and this definitely satisfies! There is a light coffee and caramel undertone and a hint of black tea. It is a smoooooooothe and delicate flavor and intensely relaxing. Reminds me of curling up with a flannel blanket on a cold night.

"Mystic Mandalime" - This was apparently a customer contest winner. It is definitely a mix of lime, mandarine orange, tea, and cream. Lemony and subtle and super good after a heavy meal.

"Zombie Apocalypse" - FUCKNG YUM. If an Oreo milkshake had a strawberry afterburn, this would be it. The fruitiness of this is not that overpowering fruit of other juices, it's a "we made you a cupcake and misted it with strawberry juice" kinda thing. DELICIOUS!

"Frost Blossom" - A chocolate orange meets mint. You might think this won't be awesome. You'd be WRONG. This is winter morning meets orange groves in Florida. Very good!

"Creamsicle" - Remember those Creamsicle popsicles that had the white creamy middle from when you were a kid? This is it. DELISH!

"Crunkberry" - Captain Crunchberry on a cupcake with a side of cream. Very layered in flavor and GOOD!

"Sweet Tease" - A definitive tea flavor that they should have named "Southern Sweet Tea" because that's what it reminds me of. There is a nice juicy lemon garnish on the glass too! ORDERING MORE!

"Afternoon Tea" - I wanted to turn this up and drink this. Think of a high-quality Earl Grey with cream and the tiniest hint of pekoe. YUMMY.

"Twas Brillig" - If you had a nice cup of tea and a hot piece of blackberry crumb cake on the side and the hot aroma steam combined right under your nose? This would be it. A-MAZ-ING and unique. Want More!

"A Quiet Morning" - I saw a lot of hype about this one and now I know why. Green tea with honey and a soft fruity flavor - maybe mango? Something a tiny bit tropical. Probably going to become a daily vape for me.

"White Rabbit" - I can't describe this flavor except to say there is something dark about it - Maybe cappuccino or coffee or really dark tea but also a buttery blend with hazelnut overtones. It's very good.


Yes, I tested all of these since last night. YES, they are all very good. YES, I will probably go broke buying from these people. By far, this company has offered some of the most complex and interesting flavors I have vaped yet. The attention to detail and packaging is a huge bonus.
I will be waiting with baited breath for them to open the website up to ordering on Wednesday so I can get my fix.

Afterword: Taste is subjective. These are only my opinions. Have your pets spayed or neutered. ^^--Ha ha ha ha ha!!! I just saw this! I don't know why I didn't notice it the other six times :|

Originally Posted by Hollylane (Post 757719)

Originally Posted by uncommondialogue (Post 758021)

What does the rating for VG-PG mean? I have gone to sites for juices and it has options for different numbers for the VG-PG and no idea what this means. Help?

Originally Posted by meridiantoo (Post 759762)

How long does 1 cartomizer last for a manual ecig?

And if you get the nicotine one, how do you decipher what mg. to purchase? They have from 4mg to 36mg. When I researched the nicotine content of my particular brand of cigarette, it was only 1.1. So that means the 4mg would be enough, right? or no?

:thinking:

Originally Posted by meridiantoo (Post 759784)

Okay, so I think I'm ordering this ecig from http://www.vapor4life.com/ (randomly selected site):

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...psc225a473.jpg

My question is, do I need a tip or anything else to go with this? Or just the ecig, charger, cartomizers, battery, and carrying case?

Thanks for your help!

Originally Posted by meridiantoo (Post 759784)

Okay, so I think I'm ordering this ecig from http://www.vapor4life.com/ (randomly selected site):

http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/...psc225a473.jpg

My question is, do I need a tip or anything else to go with this? Or just the ecig, charger, cartomizers, battery, and carrying case?

Thanks for your help!

Originally Posted by daisygirl (Post 760852)

Vapor4life is a ripoff site. They push their products and charge a lot for what they sell. If you scroll back a page or two you'll see my suggestions for good starter kits and an explanation of all of them for under $20! In the second post, i listed that the automatic kit had dropped down to the price of a manual and then an even better kit for only $24.

As far as nic goes, you'll probably want to start at at *least* 12 mg, even if you smoke lights, the nicotine in an ecig is not as strong as that inhaled in a traditional cig. I smoked normal strength cigs and had to start at 24 mg, but that's just me. I went down to 18 a few months ago (I've been vaping a year as of Feb) and now i vape between 12-18 mg.

If you don't have enough nic to satisfy you, you'll find yourself vaping a lot more often and going through more cartos and juice than you really need to.

If you need any help, I'd be glad to assist - but before you invest at V4L, check out the kits i posted a couple pages back. I wrote an original post, then an update a couple posts later about a really good starter kit that went on sale. I picked that site because I've used their products - I'm not in any way connected to them.

You don't want to go with just a randomly selected site or you may find yourself trapped in a VERY expensive system that would cost you very little otherwise. It's great that they have all the guarantees, etc. But every site will honor manufacturers' warranties and i just hate seeing people order from a rip off place.

GL :)

-daisy

Originally Posted by Loren_Q (Post 760849)

I think any site will have a 'starter kit' with various options. You would need to determine how long you want the battery to last and what you want as a liquid container (tank, carto, clearo, etc).

If there's a vape store near you I would go there. They would have equipment, answers and appropriate recommendations.

You could also go check out the e-cigarette forum or nu-vapor forum, those are dedicated to vaping with a ton of info for newbies.

Originally Posted by Medusa (Post 754936)

You are going to LOVE that Dragon's Blood from ECBlend but I found that I had to let mine steep for about a week before it was truly melded.

Y'all - I am glad to say that I am 52 days without nicotine of any kind. Jackhammer is almost that long without snus. I have only had a few noticeable cravings and I think they were more of the "habit" cravings than the physical craving.
For example, I was on the phone with June the other night and had an overwhelming urge to go out on the deck and do a deep inhale while we processed. This was more about "my routine" of talking to Juney on the phone and smoking the whole time than an actual physical need for nicotine. I overcame it by talking about it and inhaling some Cinful Pear from HHV.

I am going to make another post about the order I received yesterday from Alice in Vapeland. It was, in short, INSPIRING.

Originally Posted by meridiantoo (Post 761053)

Okay, I am about to purchase my first e-cig and am very excited :cheesy: but also very nervous :nailbitin: !

My three questions are:

1) Do you experience withdrawals at all when switching to the e-cig if you have nicotine juice? I will be starting with 24mg.

2) Are cartomizers refillable? Like all of them? No matter what brand/model of e-cig you have (other than disposables)?

3) While I understand the concept of steeping, I don't quite understand what this means? Do I steep every bottle of juice I get? Or only if I mix them? What do I do exactly to steep the liquid?

Thanks for your help!

Originally Posted by daisygirl (Post 761724)

Hi :)

Q1 - with 24 mg liquid you should be fine. I didn't have any withdrawal symptoms, i just reached for my e-cig when i had the craving (like i would have with a regular cig).

Q2 - Yes, they're all refillable but will eventually gunk up and wear out so try to keep a couple of spares on hand. You may also find it more comfortable vaping if you remove the rubber plug from the mouthpiece and use a drip tip in its place. It doesn't hold more liquid but it's more like having a filter on a ciggie, especially when you get the occasional bit of liquid that comes out of the top (ie if you overfill it) and a drip tip will help keep that out of your mouth (it's icky).

Q3 - Steeping simply allows all the ingredients in an ecig juice or liquid (whatever you want to call it) time to meld. There are some flavors that you can vape instantly and some that take a bit longer - and that's personal preference in most cases. The more complex the flavor, the more time it may need to steep, and almost all tobacco flavored juices need steeping time. You can steep by either leaving your juice in a dark drawer or cupboard, or - if you want to speed up the process - you can run a super hot sink and float your bottles in it. It helps to wrap the bottles with scotch tape or packing tape if you go this route so the label won't wash off on you. When steeping in the dark i try a flavor every week (unless it's one i know from experience needs more time) and if I water bathe it, i run it through 3 sink-fulls of the hottest water i can run until it cools each time.

GL with quitting - you should enjoy vaping much more, you'll be amazed how much your taste buds may change on you in the first couple of months, so unless you're really sold on a flavor - buy less than 15ml at a time of juice/liquid in case your taste buds to a reverse on you and suddenly it doesn't taste as good. There's also a short phase some of us call "mud mouth" where nothing tastes really good and it happens periodically, even if you've been vaping a while :)

If i can help in any other way, please msg me and let me know!

-daisy

Originally Posted by Strappie (Post 747114)

Originally Posted by meridiantoo (Post 761740)

Originally Posted by meridiantoo (Post 761785)

Originally Posted by daisygirl (Post 762275)

I'm glad i can help! You'll want more than one bottle of liquid. Try a few flavors. Each cartomizer can easily hold 1.2 ml of liquid so you'll find yourself needing more than 15ml. There are sites that sell decent inexpensive liquid. The Alice in Vapeland stuff is good - but it's expensive and in the beginning you should start with inexpensive so you can figure out what you like. Mt Baker Vapor is one place to get decent flavors and it's not expensive - i haven't ordered from them for a while but i liked what i got. There's one liquid i highly recommend and that's lily's liquid, sold by bamsbbq on nu-vapor (he takes orders through pm's and referrals) and he makes it all himself. He charges what is the *usual* standard of $.50/ml. When you start paying much more than that you're getting into the more gourmet flavors and in the beginning you'll want to try a bunch so it doesn't hurt to start with a non-gourmet juice maker.

15 cartos will last you a while, especially if you have a handful of flavors, you'll have some back-ups. A manual is the best choice, you get used to pushing the button really quick, it's just going to be a difference in how you inhale because you can't draw on it like you would a ciggie - but you'll figure that out too :) As long as you get the usb and wall chargers, you should be set to start!

I'm daisygirlie on nu-vapor and i chat there (video chat, then click text chat once you see the list, we're normally there in the evenings) if you want to come learn some stuff, we're all there to help and we love helping new people. Some people will even help with juice, etc. to help you get started so you don't have to pay a fortune for things :)


I agree on the Biotene, i have it too. I started using it after i got my tonsils out 2 months ago (not a fun time for a grown up or a vaper, lol) and i found that it helps when i'm vaping high PG juices, because PG causes dry mouth. If you're having a lot of problems, i'd switch to a lower PG, higher VG or all VG juice. Hopefully Strappie will see this too :)

-daisy