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Linus 05-13-2010 10:37 PM
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0428142246.htm

I'd love to get the full research paper to understand it greater but this does sound interesting in some ways.

Dylan 05-20-2010 09:10 PM
I have a question for the transguys. I'm NOT asking anyone but transguys.

I'd like to know what y'all think about a transguy who is read as male, who wants to be read as male, who has had top surgery, and who is on hormones...but yet uses the women's restroom (on occasion), and who gets ticked off when women in the restroom get upset that he's in there.


Thanks,
Dylan

Billy 05-20-2010 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111071)
I have a question for the transguys. I'm NOT asking anyone but transguys.

I'd like to know what y'all think about a transguy who is read as male, who wants to be read as male, who has had top surgery, and who is on hormones...but yet uses the women's restroom (on occasion), and who gets ticked off when women in the restroom get upset that he's in there.


Thanks,
Dylan
I haven't been in the womans room in almost 4 years ....And to Me this person should stay out of the womans room as well . This person is male and there will come a time when someone is really going to get upset with him using the womans room ..And why bring on the attention...I wonder about folks sometimes ..

weatherboi 05-20-2010 09:29 PM
hey Dylan

I think he is setting himself up for failure with the inconsistency. What is his reason for using it...safety?

Had one bad bathroom experience in South Carolina!
Grant




Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111071)
I have a question for the transguys. I'm NOT asking anyone but transguys.

I'd like to know what y'all think about a transguy who is read as male, who wants to be read as male, who has had top surgery, and who is on hormones...but yet uses the women's restroom (on occasion), and who gets ticked off when women in the restroom get upset that he's in there.


Thanks,
Dylan

Jet 05-20-2010 09:37 PM
I start t on tuesday

Dylan 05-20-2010 09:45 PM
Grant,

I don't know the reason for his using it. I just heard the story about how he gave the lady (who complained) a bunch of shit and laughed at her.

Personally, I find it completely disrespectful, and honestly, I kind of wanted to kick his ass. I mean, A) I don't understand why you would pound your fist about being male only to then use the ladies' room and B) I don't understand why you would intentionally make women uncomfortable.

And frankly, it pisses me off. I don't know exactly WHY it pisses me off, but it does. I mean, I can't imagine any other man I would *allow* to use the women's room, and then give women shit when they get upset that there's a man in the restroom. And I also don't understand WHY you would want to use the women's restroom EXCEPT to start shit.


Dylan

P.S. It pisses me off in the same way butches who claim they don't 'clean', because that's 'women's work', but then refuse to 'take out the trash', because they're women too...you know what I mean?

atomiczombie 05-21-2010 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 111097)
I start t on tuesday
Awesome bud! Let us know how it goes for you.

Linus 05-21-2010 05:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111071)
I have a question for the transguys. I'm NOT asking anyone but transguys.

I'd like to know what y'all think about a transguy who is read as male, who wants to be read as male, who has had top surgery, and who is on hormones...but yet uses the women's restroom (on occasion), and who gets ticked off when women in the restroom get upset that he's in there.


Thanks,
Dylan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111101)
Grant,

I don't know the reason for his using it. I just heard the story about how he gave the lady (who complained) a bunch of shit and laughed at her.

Personally, I find it completely disrespectful, and honestly, I kind of wanted to kick his ass. I mean, A) I don't understand why you would pound your fist about being male only to then use the ladies' room and B) I don't understand why you would intentionally make women uncomfortable.

And frankly, it pisses me off. I don't know exactly WHY it pisses me off, but it does. I mean, I can't imagine any other man I would *allow* to use the women's room, and then give women shit when they get upset that there's a man in the restroom. And I also don't understand WHY you would want to use the women's restroom EXCEPT to start shit.


Dylan

P.S. It pisses me off in the same way butches who claim they don't 'clean', because that's 'women's work', but then refuse to 'take out the trash', because they're women too...you know what I mean?
Seriously, I'd want to kick his ass. He's just being a jerk. Do you know where the story originates from? The reason I ask is I wonder if it's a place that has gender protections on washrooms. He may be abusing it.



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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 111097)
I start t on tuesday
Congrats, Jet! You must be excited! Do you know if it will be shots or cream?

Thinker 05-21-2010 06:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111101)
And I also don't understand WHY you would want to use the women's restroom EXCEPT to start shit.
My sentiments exactly.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet (Post 111097)
I start t on tuesday
I'm happy for you, Parker. Let us know how it goes.

Rufusboi 05-21-2010 07:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111071)
I have a question for the transguys. I'm NOT asking anyone but transguys.

I'd like to know what y'all think about a transguy who is read as male, who wants to be read as male, who has had top surgery, and who is on hormones...but yet uses the women's restroom (on occasion), and who gets ticked off when women in the restroom get upset that he's in there.


Thanks,
Dylan
Dylan - I have not been in a women's restroom in years. I'm not on T but have had top surgery. I pass as male and my presence in the women's restroom causes huge problems for me. I've been confronted, accosted, grabbed and slung and had security called on me. I finally just stopped going in many many years ago. Men don't make eye contact and never confront or question. They are all so homophobic they just keep their heads down. So I disagree with his choice to use the women's bathroom even on occasion because 1. I think it has to cause problems for him and 2. it upsets the women who are in there. Women are very protective of that space.

Rufus

Liam 05-21-2010 07:38 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111071)
I have a question for the transguys. I'm NOT asking anyone but transguys.

I'd like to know what y'all think about a transguy who is read as male, who wants to be read as male, who has had top surgery, and who is on hormones...but yet uses the women's restroom (on occasion), and who gets ticked off when women in the restroom get upset that he's in there.


Thanks,
Dylan
I think he is asking for trouble.

Greyson 05-21-2010 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 111097)
I start t on tuesday


Parker, best wishes. Turning yet another page in your journey. Keep us posted.

theoddz 05-21-2010 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 111097)
I start t on tuesday

Congrats to you, Parker!!! :winky:

You're going to feel so much better. (I did, so I hope you do, too.)

Let us know how it goes, eh?? :)

~Theo~ :bouquet:

Greyson 05-21-2010 09:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111071)
I have a question for the transguys. I'm NOT asking anyone but transguys.

I'd like to know what y'all think about a transguy who is read as male, who wants to be read as male, who has had top surgery, and who is on hormones...but yet uses the women's restroom (on occasion), and who gets ticked off when women in the restroom get upset that he's in there.


Thanks,
Dylan
I think this transguy is getting some sort of pay off out of his choice to use the women's restroom. I cannot read his mind, be sure of his intention. Does he do it to stir it up or perhaps he finds some sort of perceived safety in using the women's restroom?

Frankly, he may not even be aware of why he does it. Is he struggling internally with his gender identity? Is he is still trying to figure out where his gender identity fits, lands? I do not think it is okay to use hostility when taking unwilling, participants in pursuit of one's perceived safety, gender journey, and/or need to stir it up.

Billy 05-21-2010 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 111097)
I start t on tuesday
Congrats to you ! :)

theoddz 05-21-2010 09:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 111101)
Grant,

I don't know the reason for his using it. I just heard the story about how he gave the lady (who complained) a bunch of shit and laughed at her.

Personally, I find it completely disrespectful, and honestly, I kind of wanted to kick his ass. I mean, A) I don't understand why you would pound your fist about being male only to then use the ladies' room and B) I don't understand why you would intentionally make women uncomfortable.

And frankly, it pisses me off. I don't know exactly WHY it pisses me off, but it does. I mean, I can't imagine any other man I would *allow* to use the women's room, and then give women shit when they get upset that there's a man in the restroom. And I also don't understand WHY you would want to use the women's restroom EXCEPT to start shit.


Dylan

P.S. It pisses me off in the same way butches who claim they don't 'clean', because that's 'women's work', but then refuse to 'take out the trash', because they're women too...you know what I mean?

Dylan, I totally agree with what you said above. I, too, find it incredibly disrespectful and question what this guy's real motivation is in doing this.

Of course, this world is made of many kinds of people, and there are those out there who do and say shit just for the "shock value". These kinds of people are going to be "in your face" about everything. Pop always calls them "shit disturbers". At the core of it, however, is just a blatant disrespect for other people....and himself.

I would think, too, that if he's had his gender markers changed on his identification, he'd be in a hell of a pickle if these women decide to call the law. I wonder, then, if he'd demand to be put in the women's clink??? :| (I know there are other issues associated with jailing a transperson and all....this was just an amusing thought)

~Theo~ :bouquet:

theoddz 05-21-2010 10:01 AM
Speaking of jailing a transperson, do any of you fellows/Ladies know how they handle that, especially if you've had your gender markers changed?? I've just always kinda wondered. :|

~Theo~ :bouquet:

Linus 05-21-2010 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by theoddz (Post 111337)
Speaking of jailing a transperson, do any of you fellows/Ladies know how they handle that, especially if you've had your gender markers changed?? I've just always kinda wondered. :|

~Theo~ :bouquet:
See this link to get an idea: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...tor-it-or-shim

Dylan 05-21-2010 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by theoddz (Post 111337)
Speaking of jailing a transperson, do any of you fellows/Ladies know how they handle that, especially if you've had your gender markers changed?? I've just always kinda wondered. :|

~Theo~ :bouquet:
I don't know about other states, but here in the Great State O', you're put in women's prison. You also have to wear a bra (even if you've had top surgery), women's underwear, and if they really hate you...a dress. You don't get your hormones, either.

And this is even if you've had top and lower surgery (metoid...don't know about phallo)

Texas is especially heinous


Dylan

Linus 05-21-2010 12:32 PM
Has anyone else watched the documentary called "My Mums used to be Men"? I'm watching it now on BBC-A and it's a really good piece, especially since it's from the little girl's view.


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