Thank you for your thoughts and genuine concern SuperFemme. I also do care. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to spend so much time on this.

Thank you again.

i so know you care, and that matters. (f)

Toughy,

I have yet to BASH on Olivia... What my whole gripe was over the Thread in the first place is... That X site was NOT thinking clearly of their entire community and there for left out a good major part of people.

I know OLIVIA is a Business and good for them for making it successful!

What my gripe is.. If the Planet did not include our ENTIRE community to an EVENT that they are going to stand to make some money and free advertising then ... WE ALL SHOULD BE INCLUDED and if they don't I WON'T continue my "support" with my $$ membership.

That is what this entire THREAD is about.. NOT whether or not YOU are a LESBIAN ... STR8... BI... TRANS... or any other identity.

Shall we get back on subject.......

good grief Strappin.............

I already said I thought it was a bad decision for the other site to hold a b/f gathering directed at folks from that website on Olivia Cruises. Did you not read those posts?

I also said dragging crap from the other site over here was troubling to me.

And this thread was started by a femme who is going on the Oct Olivia Cruise and wondered if anyone else was going.

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Snow

First..........please don't put your own spin on my very clear post. I never said Blaze's words were not good enough. You said that. I was clear to say I was NOT implying any such thing.

8 years is a long time. We don't know the entire story of what happened on the dock when Blaze and friends decided to move their vacation party to the boat. We know the parts Blaze shared. As I said.........there is NO, absolutely NO judgment in saying that. It's a simple statement of fact with no charge behind it.

We also have had two b/f couples (where butches showed up to dinner in ties) say they had no problems at all. One couple even won some game show thang in front of all of the lesbians. Do their voices not count?

What that means is what Olivia has said is true......they can't promise everyone is gonna have a good time or not be challenged based on perceived gender or gender presentation. It sucks that sometimes some lesbians act like asshats. It sucks that sometimes some b/f/t folks act like asshats. It sucks that sometime some people act like asshats.

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Folks always have mixed reviews about how they have been treated at any gathering. I could tell you stories of how Butch Femme Socials has been treated by different bars/clubs in the Bay Area. Some are great and some will make your milk curdle in a bad way. We just don't go back where we were treated like shit without some genuine apology and fence mending. We have also had some b/f/t folks at our Socials CAUSE the shit that happened due to alcohol and chest bumping.

I really do think the conclusions of Olivia discriminates and excludes folks who don't meet their criteria of lesbian are exaggerated. I think it's exaggerated to expect all or most b/f/t folks will be treated like shit. 2 out of 3 stories told here report an excellent adventure/vacation.

Discouraging and pointing out you may be confronted seems smart to me. It means they know their demographics. I still do think they should expand their business model to offer at least one cruise a year that is trans and genderqueer friendly and advertise it that way. I don't think they have to include factory direct men in that model.

This is the current BFP "Party" Barge! It isn't big enough to hold all of us at one time, but is still able to throw a good party until we can sell something of Medusa's and buy a BIG one! :D It doesn't dump anything into the beautiful Arkansas rivers or lakes, except maybe the occasional BFP'er who might need to take an unexpected swim! :piratelaugh: We're currently taking suggestions on naming it, and might even consider painting it lime green and pink! :blink: The best thing about it though, is the fact that it's welcoming to EVERYONE! :cheer:

For reservation information, contact Medusa, Jack, or Niceguy! :pirate-steer:

Well if we can have a "Big Gay Prom", why can't we have a "Big Gay Barge/Boat" to go along with it? :eyebat:

Ever helpful....

I think "Big Gay Barge" is a perfect name!

This is how we do it and you can even have karaoke ;)

Wow.

"Factory Direct Men"

Really????


Really"

You got a better term? I'm not using Dylan's favorite term that begins with a 'c'.

Couldn't agree more ! it would just make good business sense to offer different cruises that are inclusive of different folks within the community. I mean, they have already gotten the system of procuring boats ( still not a fan of the boat) and hotels/ resorts, so I would think either expanding or creating a sister ( no pun intended) company would be a win-win.

Maybe even call it "Oliver"..

*Moderation* - READ.
 

Alright folks -

This thread is completely out of control with the sideswipe comments, the snarky shittyness, and the myopic personal shit.

Toughy - Your comment about "factory direct men" is at the very least insensitive and at worst, Transphobic in this context. Please consider how that comment feels given the temperature of the thread.

Jess - Your comment about "Oliver" cruises is also insensitive and at worst, Transphobic.

Snow - Several of your comments have felt highly personal and rude. Please consider how your own interaction contributes to a negative space in this thread.

All - I am DONE with the snark, the shittyness, and the side-swiping. This thread is NOT in a Red Zone and you all have already been warned.
The next person who takes a swipe in this thread will receive an automatic 1-week time-out with no questions asked.


The personal swipes and shitty innuendos WILL stop or the time-outs will start being passed out like candy. The Moderators have been extremely patient with the behavior in this thread, hoping that it would self-correct, and yet folks have just rolled right on by.

ALL of us need to do our part to keep this thread and website a positive space.

Thanks,
Admin

Apology
 

MountainStar,

We sent you a private message regarding this thread but haven't heard back. I wanted to personally extend an apology to you for the way this thread was derailed. We dropped the ball on not getting it back on track for you and hope that you will accept our regrets about not doing a better job with that.

We appreciate the members who made attempts to re-rail and will ask that folks who want to continue the discussion about the policies of Olivia Cruises do so in another thread.

Thanks,
Admin/Medusa