Interesting episode. I will be sad if this is it for Roman though they have had him pontificating too much. I am a six on the Kinsey Scale, but that shot of Alcide's chest as he was zipping up his jeans . . . good heavens.

It was basically a boring episode, every plotline getting pushed forward a little. Jessica's reaction to Hoyt's desperation was priceless. And Lafayette's face as he interacts with his mom. . . .

Roman is toast....... maybe. What an awesome way to end the episode!! 18th century Austrian hemophiliac blood that “cost a f---ng f---load of money.” Lol

Booya for Russell, whom I both love and detest. His character has been amusing and entertaining since the very beginning.

Terry, Patrick, and the Ifrit = This week's Just Shut Up Award.

Poor Alcide........lol Eric is such an ass

Jessica's reaction was perfect. His behavior is a huge turnoff for me at even at a lesser degree.

Lafayette and his mom added some amusement for me to a storyline that was stale before it got started. This, along with Hoyt, Terry, and the fairies should be shit-canned by the Lilith-leprechan that Russel was talking about.

Still fast-forwarding through 1/3rd or more.

I loved past seasons and have read all of the books.

Can not engage in this season at all. I even forgot it was on yesterday for the 1st time ever.

Now Breaking Bad, that is another story! Still outstanding but that is another thread...

CONFESSION:
 

Alexander Skarsgaard kinda turns me on. Bio guys do not have this effect on me.

He is just so damn PRETTY!

On another subject...
I haven't read everything on this thread, but am I the only one who loves Tara being a vampire? Totally suits her badass attitude.

And I wish Terry would figure out that a witch could help him with his curse. Duh. Seriously tired of the Ifrit already. The graphics aren't even impressive.

Anya,, I read the books too. SO glad the show is not following them, though there are a few characters I'd like to see. I think we may meet one of them soon, though...

QUOTE[QUOTE=thedivahrrrself;616329] I think we may meet one of them soon, though...[/]

Claude? But we met him, so you must mean someone else.

Anyway, speaking of Claude, who wants to see Eric and Claude get it on?

*raises hand*

No, I'm thinking we might meet Quinn soon, with the pack master thing coming up.

I think they officially lost me tonight....

WTF?

Well, I was pleased that they followed a couple of the story lines for a while compared to last week when each seemed to get equal time.

The whole Lilith thing seems cheesy so far, like an episode of Angel or Charmed. We'll see.

There wasn't the humor I am used to. I agree, not a great episode.

I agree completely Diva! I worked on my email half the time!

The best part of the show was Pam's hair! It looked great crimped, though it was kind of 1980's.

I really can't even begin to list all that was wrong with the hour but I will try: Terry and the Smoke Monster? OMG, lifted straight from Lost. How about some originality?!

Bill and Eric chowing down on humans now?

Lafayette and the what is he again? A witch?

Lilith arising from blood. At least she had pubic hair, that was fitting to the time period she was created.

Oh, I must stop now. Bad show. Shame on the writers,

This is how I see it-or won't be seeing it, is more accurate.

Totally digging Tara as a vamp!

like Pam with her crimped hair

Terry and the Ifrit line NEEDS to end!!

will tune in every week tho bc i cant help myself!

I looked at one Television Without Pity Forum to see if I was missing anything.

Apparently, many people found the drunk vamps funny. Also, it was apparently funny to see Sam rolling around on the floor sniffing. The only part of that that I thought was funny was when the female cop is looking at him like he's crazy and asks him if there's anything she should know. He looks at her, pauses, then says, "No."

Many remarked that the Arlene/Terry wedding video was a nice moment. I agree.

A lot of them liked Lettie Mae, Terra's mom, getting put in her place, but I thought it was forced.

I also thought the makeup of Lafayette's lips was fake looking, distractingly so.

Much appreciation for Alcide's chest. Hear, hear.

They also speculated that Bud -- the former Sheriff -- is actually the Dragon, the leader of the hate group. Else why bring him back. I hope he's not. He was always so sane.

They also said that Lilith was a hallucination. I didn't get that. Maybe that was why it looked so cheesy.

Several people said Martha is the only interesting character now. She's the wolf matriarch. I have to say she does have some great lines and an interesting face.

OH, someone mentioned that the casting and the clothes for the family party -- where they end up being slaughtered -- was just perfect. It did get my attention.

Anyway, FYI. I haven't been to that site in years. I used to go there all the time when Alias was on. There is always some interesting hating going on.

That reminds me -- the character they are all hating on right now is Nora, Eric's sister. Here's a quote: "If Nora chants and prays to Lilith one more time, I'm gonna reach into my TV and stake her myself."

Agreed. on both counts

Yeah, there was some foreshadowing there. That's a good theory.

OMG, yes, please! She is so irritating!

Also, can I kill Hoyt? I thought he was sweet maybe 2 seasons ago... Now he is just pathetic.

i thought the same thing when Eric's maker(his name escapes me now) appeared and as he was talking, Eric looked towards Nora and he didnt see Lilith even tho Nora was looking at her

Godric. His name is Godric... but WTF with him anyway? Is he like a Buddist vampire ghost? Vampires are not supposed to have souls, how can you be a ghost without a soul? Jeeze....... Lame lame lame

Smoke monsters..... Lame lame lame

The fairy bar.......... Lame lame lame

They've not explained Lillith or her tie to vampires. None of the known legends about Lillith have anything at all to do with vampires.

I do like Martha's character and the puppy is a cute touch.

Oh, the second best thing besides Pam's crimped hair was the line that Bud, the retired sheriff said to Andy, when he asked Andy if he was finished.

It was something to the effect that he had to get back to the hot tub because he had some "male enhancement ointment".

That made me laugh out loud.

Martina, great tip about Television without Pity! I had never heard of it before but since my pity for True Blood is in very short supply these days, I better check it out.

Oh Scoote, very funny about Godric being a Buddist ghost!

I think we have our own TV without pity thread going on right up in here!

:)

I liked the irony of the usually-aloof vampires walking down Bourbon Street all drunk and gawking and rowdy as so many humans are on Bourbon Street. That whole Lilith blood party scene reminded me of my acid trip days (well, minus all the blood and killing). I guess that's why I assumed both Lilith and Godric were hallucinations.

Godric has appeared to Eric at least one other time since his "final death." He seems to represent Eric's higher self or superego, appearing each time to nudge Eric back on the right path. I'm a huge fan of the show Dexter- Godric's appearance reminds me of Dexter's dad, who has the same narrative purpose.

They do very briefly explain Lilith, but if I weren't a Neil Gaiman fan, I would be SO lost (Gaiman devoted an entire issue to the myth of Lilith, and how she became the mother of demons/vampires). I think the vampire role playing game Vampire: The Masquerade also uses the Lilith-as-vampire-mother mythology, though Cain is named as the first vampire. This is all recent stuff, though-not in the vampire legends, as Wolfsong said. It's pretty fascinating to me how the vampire legends themselves evolve. I actually like the Lilith subplot.

I also like Martha's character- she's becoming more complex, more...dare I say, human. Less smoke monsters, more Were dynamics. I'm tolerating the fairies because they're investing so much time into that subplot that it must be going somewhere, right? But I have a feeling I'm going to be disappointed.

I think you are probably correct here. While I enjoy fictional works and characters, my mind cannot help itself when it says "Hey wait a second. Vampires have no soul and therefore no sense of right and wrong."

Also Eric told someone, I don't remember who now, that Russell was the strongest vampire he had ever met. Vampire strength (at least in this show) seems to be based on age. Godric knew Jesus (this was mentioned in an episode) and was older than Russell.

I know I know.......it's tv

:)

As you can imagine, I favor werefolk and shape-shifters over vampires any day. While many find vampires to be sexy and sophsticated, my impression has always been that of an alley prostitute wearing way too much make-up and perfume to mask the dirt and decay beneath. (The exception being Bela Lugosi in the 1931 version of Dracula). Even Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt in Interview With A Vampire (1994) had that kind of sense of underneath decay about them in spite of their sophistication.

My complaint is the continual portrayal of werewolves as hulking, slavering, stupid creatures. There has been 3 cinematic exceptions to this that I am aware of;

Blood and Chocolate
The Twilight series
TruBlood

Werewolves in B&C and Twilight were given a very nice shift into actual wolves which was nice to see. I thought the Twilight wolves were a little big.

The two movies that werewolves didn't look too bad were the original and the remake;

Wolfman with (1941) Lon Chaney
Wolfman (2010) with Benicio Del Toro & Anthony Hopkins

Seems like the shifters and were folk in Trueblood are the rednecks of the supernatural world, the werepanthers being the most in-bred and ignorant.

I do not find them that appealing, except for Alcide. Even Sam reminds me of guys I grew up with. Country boys in most respects except they played a few Eagles songs on the guitar and had read On the Road.

Ha! I'm over-speculating right there with you! I was thinking about vampire bloodlines as well, and how the show has recently put more stress on the importance. Eric's whole speech to Pam seemed significant, that she was his only progeny and needed to preserve the line, or something like that. It seems strange to me that it was Eric (and not Bill) who got the moral wake-up call. Usually, Eric looks after Eric, and if it turns out to be the right thing to do, fine....whereas Bill seems much more motivated by doing what's right. So maybe it was Eric's bloodline that came through? We can be sure Bill's maker Lorena had nothing to offer Bill in that department...so maybe that's why Bill was still chomping down while Eric was having his little visitation with Godric?

Okay, okay, I'm done with the over-speculating (for now).

Bill's been so political and mealy mouthed lately that I was actually surprised when he told the truth to Salome and said that he thought that mainstreaming was right.

Who ISN'T a redneck in this show? The werewolves all give the illusion of being a Harley ridin' bunch but they have never to my knowledge, showed a single one of them on a bike.

Speaking of that on a bit of a tangent.....where the hell do these people work? We have the bar, which Bill owns, the local PD, and the guys that work for the city/county/parish. Most recently we have the gun shop. Even Mayberry had a barbershop.
Yeah, you would think after that speech she would have given a lot more thought to not only making Tara, but in training her. Who would put their kid on a stripper pole in some seedy vamp bar? Even Jessica has taken on the air of a "princess" and at least takes advantage of Bill's status as king. I would think that at the very least, the bar atmosphere would be a little beneath Pam.

It's reminding me more and more of Lost actually. There were a couple of laugh out loud moments, one when Sookie apologized to Jason for hitting him with a blast of her fae power and he said not to worry, that she'd just gotten him in the head. Can't remember the second one.

It was awesome when Pam said to Tara something like "You don't know me. My happy face looks just like my mad face."

Ewww to Sam almost kissing himself.

Triple ewww to Russell spanking and flirting with that former born again creepy boy vampire. I wanted to say, "Russell, you would never had stooped so low if you hadn't been stoned. You can do better."

Some of Andy's responses were chuckle worthy. "Come on, buttplug." And just his reactions -- his face. Oh and when he said, "I hate this town." Chuckled again.

The seance was funny until the end. Pitting the two vets against each other -- another Lost moment. But Lafayette's faking the seance at first made me smile. And everyone else at the table was right on. Well done scene. (I want that table by the way. Nice woodworking.)

Alcide's ass -- yes! And Hoyt getting over his Jessica obsession -- thank you, Jesus.

It's so ironic that Jason and Eric are the voices of wisdom and compassion. Jason's talk to Sookie was so full of appreciation for how precious the little good one can get out of life is. There was a shot of him later in the background. He looked older and defeated, jaded, but thoughtful. It's interesting what they are doing with his character.

So, so true! I wonder how great actors like Anna and Alexander can say this dialogue with a straight face.

I think this season is a lost cause.

What the hell happened to it?

I love the show and as Mariamma noted, Pam's line, "My mad face is like my happy face" is an example of dialogue that sounds utterly new to me, as have other snippets, including "Peace is for pussies," "Humility is for humans," and "You smell awesome! What are you?"—none of which make sense outside of the social construct the show makes.

One of my least favorite aspects of the show is the heavy-handed analogizing with contemporary diversity politics.

It's fun to read people's comments about the show.

Alan Ball SWEARS he's not creating some big allegory, that the show is really all about sex. Yeah, right.

But I guess there's something to showing a huge variation in the ways one can be oppressive. Seriously, everyone who believes anything strongly ends up doing more harm than the selfish pleasure seekers, even those who kill for pleasure. It was interesting that Roman the liberal was as oppressive a leader as anyone else.

Hoyt's brief flirtation with group membership in the last two episodes was telling. (It was so funny how the hate group self-identified as a hate group.) Anyway, he said, "Right here, right now I feel more love in this hate group than I ever felt at church or basketball or anywhere for that matter." But being a member meant he had to kill Jessica, and he was too sane for that. So he had to give it up.

I do think that what Sam said to Sookie when she asked if he'd ever want to be normal is pretty much endorsed. He said something about wanting to keep fighting for his rights. Sookie agreed and said that the hate would probably bother you anyway, whether it was directed at you or not. Ah, found Sam's quote: "No way, I’d say you’ve got to keep fighting stupidity. Every mind you change is one less on the bad guy side."

I'm really tired of Bill. I think we're supposed to be hoping for him to mend his ways and get back on the right path, but I'm just not invested in him anymore. It's been a while since he was an interesting good guy, and he's not all that interesting as a bad guy. He's just a tool.

I do like that the old Lafayette is back, the entrepreneur... so far he's made $400 off of 2 fake readings that turned out to be real. Love the reference to Whoopi Goldberg in Ghost, especially since he was running around just like her two minutes later, telling all the voices to simmer down...lol.

I predict that Russell (now THERE is an interesting bad guy) will be the one to bust Eric out of his current predicament, though it may be indirect and inadvertent. We've gotten a few cues that Russell is just playing along with all the Lilith worship and not giving full respect to Salome (Steve leading the prayer before the meal while Russell looks on like a proud and indulgent parent and Salome looks annoyed: perfect!), but now he's even teaching his renegade style of vampire leadership to boy-toy Steve Newlin, right down to feeding his werewolf army ("Awww! You got me a puppy!"). When it suits his purposes, Russell is going to put an end to this whole Lilith Fair thing, and Eric gets a way out of his predicament.

Or not. Who can predict anything with this stupid show anymore.... maybe a hundred strip-teasing fairies will appear, each bearing a name with some derivative of "Claude", do a magical square dance in a room full of man-pigs, and everything will suddenly make sense.

I'm not holding my breath.

Lilith Fair. LOL.

I couldn't pay much attention. I was cleaning and packing. But the new vampire sheriff coming into Fangtasia got my attention. That could be interesting. He looks very heavy metal. I hope he's an interesting character. We could use one.

I found myself stopping whenever I heard Andy's voice. I really like that actor. And Lafayette, of course.

Adding -- OMG the whole tossing them to the pigs thing was so fake and not gross or intense. The show CAN do gross and intense, but the pig thing did not work. I guess we were supposed to recall Hannibal or something. Didn't work.

That cracked me up. The interactions between Tara and Pam are great. You get to almost thinking that they might actually care about each other (and you would think they would given the mother-daughter status and what we have seen previously between Godric and his youngsters).


Yeah but why does he look so much like Cris Angel the mind freak or The Crow?

The pig thing could actually work in real life although they did it very poorly here. If you've ever fed pigs you know to stand on the other side of the fence and never spill their feed on yourself because a hungry pig will f@#$ you up. A herd of wild boar is worse. In any case what a stupid way to tie up that storyline. No explanation of mystery up to the dragon. Who the heck was that woman anyway? Someone Jason knew from the past but I didn't really see the relevance.

At least they ended the smoke monster storyline in a somewhat logical manner

The woman who's the dragon is/was Bud's mistress; the one Jason knew from the past (she was his teacher) was Bud's wife, who apparently was away on a casino cruise or something.

For the first time since I started watching I'm rather bored with this season.

I will say that Tara as a vampire is pretty interesting and her dynamic with her maker makes the show worth watching.

The rest of it has me fast forwarding to find something of real interest this season.

Just my take on this season.....

Just thinking that the only two fat women in the series are the Dragon and Hoyt's mother. Not just unlikeable but presented as repulsive. Tsk.

None of the women in the show is really doing it for me right now except for Pam. I take that back. The witch who dates Andy, the one who is a waitress, is kinda cute. And Jessica can be gorgeous.

But the ones whose beauty is supposed to knock our socks off -- Luna, Salome, Nora, and Lilith -- not feeling it. Salome is especially disappointing. All that skin showing, and I am not hot for her. I think the character is just not interesting enough.

Thank heavens for Pam.

Ummm you do remember where Eric found Pam?

Pam might prefer twin sets to leather, but she loves money and power best out of anything next to Eric...

I can hardly stand this season, due to the awful faerie plot. I hate the faeries. Just fucking hate them. Hate hate hate.

Also: I cried when Jessica glamoured Hoyt. Then I cried again just thinking about it.

Also hate: Steve Newlin, all of the authority people, Bill, Arlene, Sookie, Ginger and that bad dye job new sheriff of area five dude.

Still love: Sam, Tara, Andy, and Pam. In that order.