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Monday is when BP will be announcing its 2nd quarter earnings..... ought to be interesting!
Last week BP's Tony Baloney the CEO was attempting to round up new investers in the Middle East. This kind of gives me hope that BP might try to keep itself solvent which seems better in terms of it actually being in this for the long haul and making restitution. I know, I know, I am probably being far too optimistic... Sometimes, however, I do think of what is at stake for big oil in this in terms of what BP does. This could prove to be one major blemish the industry world wide that it cannot afford. Guess I am more of a glass half-full kind of person. Or I am really in deep denial! Just having a huge problem thinking about the people in the Gulf that really need BP to pay up. So, do you all think we will finally get the message that alternative fuels must be developed and put the resources in this that are vitally needed? |
The map seems to be a bit off....I wonder how old it is. Even the information in the 'found via' link says that the numbers on the map don't match to the widely reported numbers. The most glaring issue, and why I wonder when the map was created, is that the Deepwater spill has exceeded the size of Ixtoc, yet is substantially smaller on the map. Also, the Gulf War spill estimate seems high - although any 'official' estimate of a spill during a US war would, in my mind, be questionable and quite likely understated.
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The information for the iconograph comes from the ITOPF. >ITOPF< Yes and no, to the map being off (I'm doing further research to ensure that the statistical data on ITOPF is as accurate as people are implying it is.) because the source collects data from both published and UNpublished sources. I know I hate wikipedia (and maybe you do, too), but this is a fairly well documented link to the largest oil spills in recent / reported history. As for their actual numbers, the ones I have checked so far are not exorbitant, but they are the highest range of the projected spill amounts. Comparing between measurements (metric tonne vs kg vs lb) all of their reported measurements (except the recent spill which, yeah, kind of hard to keep consistent...) is accurate to within twelve percentage points. Another possible explanation is that they have also added in a percentage for oil lost to the environment that cannot be accurately assessed. That, and there are discrepancies for almost ALL of the spills saying that the media underrepresented the oil spilled in... Well, given that we all know how much the gulf numbers have changed, I'm sure you know what I mean. Even so; I meant the iconograph not as a factual basis for argument but more as a demonstrative comparison in scale to the disasters that have historically happened and continue to happen on a daily basis, and the issue in the gulf. I was really trying to make the point that this has happened before on smaller (though that isn't depicted on the graph) and much larger scales. . . And we don't hear about it. At all. I'm going to continue researching the iconograph creator and the data and will keep you posted, if you'd like. Edited to add: Oh yeah I forgot! The map's creator has an updated version of the map on his site, to reflect the increasing size of the spill, I just couldn't do a link to it at the time of my post for... some reason, I forget what, but you can check his website out. |
I heard something on the news on the radio on my way home tonight about potential containment by Monday. All I've been able to find about it is -
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/07/09/gul...ex.html?hpt=T1 Has anyone else heard anything about this? |
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BP just signed another record contract called the Caspian Project. A panel of only 3 judges rejected Obama's 6 month moratorium of offshore drilling..
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Last night I saw some actual scientific news about the long term effects we are looking at. What the hell is wrong with people? We should be putting billions into this research and demanding these people be part of the entire regulation processes for off-shore drilling. My head spins when I think about the future tangle of suits that will come as the real long-term health effects of this become evident. I also keep thinking about all the tangles of drilling pipes that are underneath the Gulf... that we really don't know about. There is so damn much we do not know that is out there after years of cover-ups. |
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Selenay, thanks for the answers and your continued hard work researching the numbers :) |
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Yes, I want to be hopeful about this diffferent cap. Ugh, just when I am, a report comes along with info about everthing that could go wrong that might cause more oil (other than when the old cap is off and the new being seated) to spew. Or, things/pipes, etc. under everything exploding more and possibly making the relief wells non-functional when completed. Touch and go.... |
This is the other thing I meant to post, but got sidetracked with.
http://contexts.org/socimages/files/...14-500x162.png Does it change your opinion to know that our biggest supplier is actually Canada? >Source< |
I think one of the problems with numbers is all the different measurements.........
British tonnes US tons gallons barrels I do believe it's truth that the permanent solution to the gushing lives in the relief well (s). I wish I could remember where I heard or read the following and will do some searching around maybe later: There are something like 2000 abandoned wells in the Gulf that have been capped and never looked at for years and some of them decades. Talk about accidents just waiting to happen. Apparently all the oil companies are continually spraying toxic shit dispersant at every active well head, because they all leak a little bit of oil all the time. From what I know about drilling oil on land, that is probably a true statement that all wellheads leak a little. They spray the dispersant so the leaked oil stays in the water column and doesn't get to the surface. Remember when some idiot said that oil tar balls wash up on the beaches fairly regularly, so just maybe the tar balls are not from the Deep Horizon? |
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http://eater.com/archives/2010/05/25...lf-coast-1.php One of many links about the research by Philippe Cousteau. Also, I saw some new stuff by him and a woman he researches with today on CNN. I also heard this (what I bolded in your post above) somewhere... thinking maybe NPR? I'll look too, I usually have NPR or Green Radio on when I am listening to radio. Just seems like I would of heard about this on NPR. Ugh.. but what program! |
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thanks for the correction.... The sea bed must be just littered with well heads ...............shaking my head..... |
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Really, huh? Craziness.... One big web of possible disaters without ways to deal with them! Sometimes I think about the magical thinking that continues on in adulthood. Or, just transforms into adult arrogance. Why would anyone believe that this mess would not lead to something like this? And now, what is it going to take to get people to realize this may be only the start of things like this? Well heads and miles of pipe un-checked, buried under what sustains human life!! |
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Intresting..In my local sunday paper an artical by the AP said that in the gulf theire are 3000 caped and abandoned wells that are ticking time bombs for a blow out.These wells are owned by many companys,most havent been touched in a decade or more.Also they have been caped in salt water wich has/is corodeig the piped as I type this,mant leak a littls from presure from the oil or a leak somewhere.On land the artical stated that over 35,000 land wells do the same..tho on land can be delt with easyer.No maintainance has been done to near any of thise wells since being caped.This dosent surprise me one bit,I can count the caped wells driveing down the road hear near everywhere I drive,both gas and oil let me say its an ugly smelly sight.
The aritcal is in the sherveporttimes.com online addition. |
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And I think you misread the Shreveport Times article because here is the link: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/artic...bandoned-wells |
It seems Kevin Costner has been way ahead of the oil companies and his 15 year long $24 million dollar oil skimming boat is on the way to the gulf.
http://media.al.com/live/photo/kevin...ff61_large.jpg Oil skimmer backed by Kevin Costner ready for work Actor Kevin Costner, co-founder of Ocean Therapy, and BP COO Doug Suttles, right, talk during the announcement that the Ella G. vessel to will be deployed carrying Ocean Therapy's centrifuge system to separate oil and water, Kevin Costner added a bit of Hollywood glitz, but it was the bright orange barge full of equipment counted on to scoop oil from the Gulf of Mexico that was the real star Thursday. The Ella G, once an offshore supply barge, has been refitted to skim and separate oil spilling from BP PLC's blown-out well, making for a more efficient way to remove petroleum from the Gulf waters. It set sail for the first time Thursday. "I know a lot of times you have been down on the ground and stayed down," Costner told workers and visitors who had come to see the latest in the fight against the oil spill. "But the machine I once dreamed of is here to help you." The ship is now one of BP's "Vessels of Opportunity." It was retrofitted to receive oil and water from the skimmer, separate the oil and place it in storage tanks, and return the cleaned water to the Gulf, said Ed Dufrene, project manager for Edison Chouest Offshore, which supplied the barge and assembled the equipment on it. The system was built in 10 days, and BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles said it offers many advantages. For instance, it can remove more oil, stay at sea indefinitely and skim in seas up to 10 feet. Most skimming vessels can't work in seas higher than 4 feet. "It can make a big difference," Suttles said. The Ella G, along with the C Rover, will configure boom in a J shape between them, Dufrene said. That will funnel the oil to the bright, yellow skimmer, which floats out from the Ella G attached to tubing and can skim more than 1 million gallons of liquid a day. The oil is sent through a centrifuge system on the ship that separates the oil and water. Normally, the oily water has to be taken to a receiving point for separation, so doing that at sea is more efficient. http://blog.al.com/live/2010/07/oil_..._kevin_co.html |
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