29 dead...ok..now what are you going to have for breakfast/supper tonight. Have some chocolate milk.

This scares me beyond words can express...

We are all numb and grieving over 200+ instances of mass shootings JUST THIS YEAR.

We do not need this shit from you! Why is it that instead of having helpful solutions, or sympathy for our grief, you feel the overwhelming need to come here to make fun of us for our fluff posts!

I have lost all respect for you, take a flying leap off of a very short pier.

Agreed. Reads almost like a bot, just wanting to spew darkness.

Concur.
How can a citizen of an avowed G-7 ally country uncaringly throw hard rocks toward a close neighbor in trouble. Yes, Trump dissed Trudeau, but that is a symptom of our problem.
For those Internationales unfamiliar with our problem, we are a country in mourning for 200 innocent civilians gunned down by mass murderers who were following the lead of our fascist president. Trump, in concert with Putin, of Russia, have conspired to create chaos through guerrilla warfare conducted by ultra-right pundits who are bent on destruction. Our country has the possibility of erupting into civil war with those same pundits killing as many black, brown, Jewish, and others different from themselves as they possibly can.
I have always believed that Canadians had our back. We are in a desperate situation where our people need the support and help of our neighbors and allies.
The U.S. People are not at blame for the actions of our fascist president. We are victims of an international conspiracy.

I keep wondering whether it is worth writing this post but decided I'd try just this once.

There was nothing mocking about my post it was simply an ironic reference to all the other mass murders that have come and quickly gone: Parkdale, Las Vegas, Charlottesville , etc etc...they stretch back hundreds of years...and then people move on...AM I REALLY THE FIRST PERSON WHO HAS EVER COMMENTED ON THIS??? OR IS IT THE FACT, LIKE JONATHAN SWIFT'S "MODEST PROPOSAL" I should have left the irony lie and just been so literal no fool could have possibly misinterpreted the intention of the post.

I wish I could block your arrogant dismissive insulting posts

You can put anyone on ignore, and you will not see their posts.

For the sake of my health, I have put finally put someone on ignore.

Your words are being heard loud and clear, C0LLETTE. Perhaps, you have picked the wrong time to remind us of a flaw we are acutely aware of. We are too raw to pick at that scab.

Analysis of the long term problem would be better when the wound is bleeding a bit less.

Right now, what Americans need is compassion, support, and help. IMO, you have just chosen the wrong time for discussion on the historical perspective.

A physician would not address lifestyle changes with a patient having an acute and possibly lethal injury.

I would like to get back to the 2020 election if at all possible, anyone else?

Did you all see the news this weekend regarding Booker, Sanders and Harris stumping at a church where the Pastor has said that LGBTQIA folks are going to Hell and that we are all child molesters?

Are the candidates so out of touch that they just go where they are told to go, or do they just not care?

***edited to add...the story was on LGBTQ Nation.****

Ok Cathexis, I'm writing to you, in particular, because I think you understood the essence of my post.
But, Cathexis, it is never the "right time".

We all feel compassion and sympathy, no question, but as the people of Dayton are crying out they've had enough of the words, prayers, expressions of grief, etc..and saying "Do Something". This patient may die but when exactly do you figure is the right time to start talking before the next patient is lying there. It's always the wrong time.

There is no easy answer, no easy solution but the work has to start somewhere and immediately, the anger must not be allowed to die down before no one again can remember when El Paso and Dayton took place. Most people don't even remember when Sandy Hook took place...and that is what must never be allowed to happen.

So you can all blast me much as you like but I do remember Sandy Hook. I did grieve Sandy Hook and I can remember the names and faces of all those victims.

*Copy That* (Back to 20/20 Election Talk)
 

So...… tonight I dedicate my post to all the members in our community who somehow aren't around anymore (you know who you are!! I miss reading your posts and articulate points of view).


I've been reading news articles from the website for progressive news coverage: Common Dreams (click the title, it takes you to their website).

Here are a few things I have noticed that haven't gotten much coverage in the news, which might be good ideas for current Democratic Presidential Candidates to speak up about:

1) FEMA (have any of the victims of climate change weather tragedies received any monetary benefit since 2016?);

2) Does the current administration owe your city money due to them visiting your city and incurring outrageous public safety fees, like it owes El Paso (T^^^P admin owes El Paso $500K)???

3) Did anyone else see the news byte from MM which has created some buzz around former 1st Lady Michelle Obama, running for President? I heard it on NPR today.... and read about it elsewhere online.



5) I'd like to see the Castro brothers annihilate the current administrations vitriol surrounding racially motivated hate directed toward Mexico and it's citizens and any individual from any Central or South American country who wants to immigrate to the US. Here is a current research article from The Pew Research Center (non-partisan think tank) which presents scientific data that people of Mexican ethnicity/nationality are NOT illegally immigrating to the US (See Link Below).

5 Facts About Illegal Immigration In The US
(The Pew Research Center, June 12th 2019)


The El Paso tragedy is, in my mind, more than just a tipping-point issue on Gun Control and Immigration and that infernal load of baloney about the 'wall' that the DC administration is hell bent on building across the southern border of the US and all the other troubling issues concerning locking up and caging up countless children and adults who left their own country due to crushing levels of poverty created by the so-called 'Free Trade Policy' which has done nothing to help anyone but line the pockets of the filthy rich and used in tit-4-tat trade war crap by the current monster in office.

So many critical policy issues at stake. I won't be surprised if the GOP has been raiding PENSION policy plans and setting up a coup to take down every policy that protects the common and not so common workers in America.

That's all I got tonight. Just a mountain of concerns and a boat load of sadness and grief for all the people who are suffering tonight due to horrific tragedies around the country.

I Beto having a moment out there or is it just in Texas?

He said "what the fuck" over the weekend and everyone swooned all over social media.

As a native of the Dayton area, who went to school and worked in Dayton, I don't think Dayton needs people from outside our nation's boundaries advocating for us. We will do fine, thank you very much. Dayton was the Ohio city most affected by the opioid crisis, but is now the model city for reducing deaths from opioids. We don't need others patronizing us.

I also think if you're going to make a point about remembering, you might get the names right. It's Parkland, not Parkdale. I don't think too many U.S. citizens would have made that error because the lives lost were our own.

I mean, long-term? Liberal capitalism is a sinking ship and will give way to either socialism or fascism. I agree that right now we don't have the right conditions for revolution, but it's not because we're not far enough to the right, it's because right-wing propaganda that survival interests are determined by racial tribe rather than by economic class has been extremely successful. There's a reason I back the candidate who speaks of forbidden ideas like the class consciousness: the more people are aware that an elite class of users that can be defined by the power they have over resources and their ability to control others' access to resources, not any racial or ethnic grouping, is what's killing us, the more likely socialist revolution will succeed.

Also, centrism isn't a solution, because the status quo that centrists want to return to is the disease. Because the status quo, the center, is that the rich continue to get richer, the poor continue to get poorer, and the planet continues to choke to death on an endless spew of carbon, methane, and other greenhouse gases, and, oh, we continue putting immigrants in concentration camps because Trump didn't start that; it was happening under Obama too. That is the norm; that is our default. The right wing sublimates our fears into a fear of the brown and queer Other, and blames the brown and queer Other for the hopelessness looming in the mind of everyone who isn't in a bubble, and that's what put Trump in office in 2016. If we put a centrist in office in 2020, all we do is kick the can down the road for four more years and then get someone even worse than Trump in 2024 because only the fascists are offering even the pretense of an escape from the diseased status quo, even if it's a false one.

But yeah. The fascism is not something Trump created. It already exists at the heart of our political status quo, and that status quo resulted in Trump, not the other way around.

Also those polls don't measure the masses of disillusioned who only show up to vote if there's a candidate worth voting for; they are calibrated around the people who will show up even if the menu is absolute shit, because it's a lot harder to predict how many irregular voters a candidate will mobilize if they get nominated. Hell, they don't even measure people without landlines, which is to say, voters under 40 are largely excluded. But suffice it to say there are far more irregulars and young people to win over than there are "centrists" to win over.

I can't speak for Booker or Harris, but this is... a little extreme for Sanders but otherwise on-brand. Like, this isn't the first time he's gone into a right-wing venue to spread left-wing ideas, because besides the young and the dispossessed, his campaign doesn't work by simply attempting to parrot agreement with someone's existing stances (either by moving to the center or preaching to the choir) but rather by winning over converts, frequently by way of priming non-rich cultural conservatives to vote for their economic interests rather than on cultural grounds. He won't win over that pastor, but he might win over some of the congregation.

I mean I did gain a little respect for him when he had that candid explosion about what the source of our gun violence problem is, yes.

Speaking of that gun violence problem, I gotta say that very few of the ideas we actually have on the table now will have the desired effect. The only one currently in circulation that might actually help would be tightening restrictions on people convicted of DV charges having guns to give the DA and other local authorities less ability to let the perp weasel out of it. A lot of others would just make it more difficult for poor people (like minorities at risk of right-wing violence) to own guns. Also fuck Andrew Cuomo's stupid proposal for a mental health registry. That's all we fucking need, a centralized list of people to stigmatize for needing mental health care, when mental illness has no relationship to our current mass shooting crisis. We already know who our mass shooters are and they're not mentally ill: they're largely domestic abusers and the politically motivated, particularly white nationalists.

tl;dr If we banned domestic abusers and white nationalists from owning guns, we could stop mass shootings and abolish the police at the same time, this is extremely efficient policy-making.

How do you know what the people of Dayton "need" ? Are you really speaking for "the people of Dayton" because you once lived there? I don't speak for all Canadians even though people here try to keep shoving me into that corner

What is it you actually know/remember about the Holocaust? But I sure as Hell wouldn't hate you for referencing that pain, even 70 years later. I wouldn't ask you to prove you were Jewish or show me where you live..even if you misspelled the name of every single Concentration Camp.

There was nothing patronizing about my post except what you demagogically tried to stick in there.

As for Parkdale/Parkland... Why are you so unable to accept that even if one person outside America remembers those crimes it is something to acknowledge positively. The murder of children, even if those children are American, is not a crime only against America.

Do you really think that only citizens of Somalia can speak out on the massacres there, only citizens of Hong Kong can speak out on the repression there, only Saudis can speak out about the murder of reporters there?

You don't need to be able to spell every name right, every chronology exactly, to have a right to express an empathy for the central issue...

otherwise you end up with an ever diminishing circle of nodding heads and no one else feels a right to speak out...even in the most innocuous way.

And please stop looking for the tiniest reference to try to diminish larger points...it just looks impotent .

My point about Booker/Sanders/Harris, was that by going to that venue for their political gain, and not as a push back to the message of hate by their pastor, gave implicit approval to his message. In essence, saying that he had the power to bring together an audience of right leaning people to hear their stump speech, so it was fine that he spoke out against us.

This was not right leaning Foxx news giving them a townhall, this was someone using hate speech against our community, and the 3 of them NEVER addressed the issue. Booker and Harris ATTENDED A CHURCH SERVICE, while Sanders went so far as to give his political stump speech.

I won’t vote for any of them, and Harris was my prior choice.

You make a salient point, and I agree with your assessment. Why is that, that people have a hard time not seeing the exact point you make: That all three of them never addressed that specific issue -- the glaring issue of not calling out the undisguisable bigotry of hate speech directed toward the greater LGBTQ community?

In a parallel type situation, NPR's 'Fresh Air' hosts took up the larger discussion about how the owner of a nation-wide gym facility is actually hosting a T^^^P fundraiser at his Connecticut home; that said owner's profits must be funding right-wing nationalist agenda for T/P because they have been soliciting big-ticket prices to attend this (COUGH/PUKE) event at the gym owner's private Connecticut residence; that even gym attendee's in West Hollywood (who were interviewed on the radio show) took issue with how the gym owner is basically thumbing his nose at the community that supports his facilities and how people just don't get how awful it is that the place they've been pumping money into is none other that a hate-sponsoring enterprise with no conscience on how they are using their profits to fund T-monster-land, etc.

My heart is hurting for those who are being rounded up in ICE raids: parents and kids lives are torn apart with unimaginable heartache.


First They Came ...


They came for the Communists, and I
didn’t object – For I wasn’t
a Communist;

They came for the Socialists, and I
didn’t object – For I wasn’t a Socialist;

They came for the labor leaders, and I
didn’t object – For I wasn’t a labor leader;

They came for the Jews, and I didn’t
object – For I wasn’t a Jew;

Then they came for me –
And there was no one left to object.

Martin Niemöller



Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller (14 January 1892 – 6 March 1984) was a German theologian and Lutheran pastor. He is best known for his opposition to the Nazi regime during the 1930s and for his widely quoted poem "First they came ...". (LINK)

I hope you don't mind Allison that I've excerpted the best part of your latest post. Thank you for saying it so well. I agree with you 100%.

Harry Reid, Sen E. Warren (...)
 

I got home tonight and while surfing today's top headline news in politics, I read about Harry Reid making the case for getting rid of the 'fillibuster' and how Senator Elizabeth Warren is backing that idea with all the strength she can- politically.

Those 'tightey-whitey' GOP senators who have been strangling the heck out of any last ounce or shred of credibility in how they want ppl to think they are putting the will of the people first? I hope that they will RUE the DAY when they lose their chairs in the Senate because I don't think they've ever put the will of the people first. They keep putting their own self interests ahead of the greater good of the American public.

How anyone cannot see the racist practices employed by the GOP and their henchmen, and monster in the WH, is beyond me.

Meanwhile, the economy is on the brink of something far worse than the recession of 2008 and the GOP keeps shredding policy (s) that protects the most vulnerable of the American population and immigrants, and policy that is there for the sake of e v e r y o n e.


*Tick Tock, Tick Tock*



Super grateful tonight for those who are working on behalf of the people, The Democrats.

Hickenlooper's out. I liked him. I gave him a couple bucks early on. He wouldn't have been bad.

Beto made a weird speech. Instead of going to the Iowa State Fair, because there's probably no point, he's going to Mississippi to talk about the immigration raids. His weirdly phrased explanation: "Where Donald Trump has been terrorizing and terrifying and demeaning our fellow Americans, that’s where you will find me in this campaign."

It sounded like some cartoon superhero proclaiming his mission. Underdog O'Rourke to the rescue.

Beto's speech made sense to me right off. The joy and fun of a fair is inappropriate for a politician when his home state is in mourning. That's how it would be perceived by people who aren't thinking politics.

As for the fairly unknown candidates, I like Bennet (probable sp). Yeah, he's pretty centrist, but I think he's a honest and hard working politician who truly cares about our country. Anybody else hear how this quiet guy stood up against Cruz about flooding in Colorado? In chambers, he rose and paced, obviously upset. Apparently, Cruz had said something negative about money for flood victims. Bennet spoke of the farmers, ranchers, and small businesses destroyed by the flood. Sounded like he truly cared about his constituents.

I'm enjoying following Andy Yang. He was one of my brother's closest friends growing up and he was a regular at our dinner table. We are friends on facebook and I get to see pictures of him doing goofy things with his family and keeping it real. Not saying he has my vote, but, he's a good guy and I like his approach. Pretty sure my mom is going to vote for him because we know my brother would have.

He's trying to make himself into "the immigration guy" and it is frustrating bc Castro is one step ahead of him always but gets no coverage

One of my staff is ALL IN for Yang but she quit listening at "a thousand bucks a month for everyone"

The thing about Yang is he has most of the right beliefs, but that thousand bucks is also his entire climate change plan. You're supposed to use the money to "move to higher ground."

I do think planning for an orderly mass migration should be on the table. We SHOULD change our behavior in an effort to keep more places inhabitable, but humans are famous for leaving projects until the night before they are due

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...-19/index.html

CNN seems to think Biden will keep his lead. Honestly no one knows anything, IMO, until the voting starts. Sadly, Kamala has dropped back. She's a good candidate. I have to think her campaign might not be being run well. I don't know though.

I don't want Biden to take it with all these decent candidates available. But he might. And age and gaffes and Obama-taint notwithstanding, he probably can beat Trump. So there's that.

Former District Attorney for the Southern District of New York Preet Bharara is the Executive Vice President of Some Spider Studios and host of "Stay Tuned With Preet" on the Café channel at YouTube. I enjoy listening to his program, where people ask Preet timely questions about current day events in politics or in other venues.

Here's an hour long video of his latest "Ask Preet" pod-cast program, where he interviews Colorado's Senator Michael Bennet, who apparently is running for POTUS. The interview begins at about the 14 minute mark. I thought I'd leave it here, in this thread for the 2020 Presidential election.

I had no idea that Senator Bennet was running for president. See what you think of Preet's interview of Senator Michael Bennet. I thought it was an amazing interview.

It occurred to me yesterday, as I watched all the negative things Trump is enacting every day, that maybe he knows he won't win again.

I sure hope not!

I hope Trump doesn’t take on Nikki Haley as VP. I’m not sure Trump needs Pence for the Evangelical voters anymore. Trump will get those votes, I think, based on the judges he’s already put in place—they know they can count on Trump. But, Trump needs someone whispering in his ear and if it’s not Pence for the Evangelical voters, then I wonder who would/could fill those shoes.

I imagine Haley would be seen as a voice of reason appealing to Republican and Democratic women.

Whether it’s Haley or Pence, I think we’re gonna have four more years of this.

The more I think about Haley the more I can see it happening.

A Trump/Haley win in 2020 could set up Haley to run and win in 2024 as POTUS. I think Republicans would sacrifice Pence as VP in 2020 if they thought they could pull this off. Not only would they be the party to put forth the first woman of color as VP, but also as POTUS.

Haley could win in 2024 with Republican and Democratic women voters and without “the base.” Trump needs “the base” because there are Republican and Democratic voters who won’t vote for him. I think Haley would get those votes, plus more, and could ignore the demands of the base. Well, some demands.

I image resistance to this in and out of the the White House, but I think this is one way the Republicans can have control for 8 more years.

The Democrats? I’ll vote in the primary and the nominee will get my vote. That’s the best I can say about the Dems.

They are not afraid. They are capitalism's backup plan.

The Democrats as they currently exist are allowed to diverge from the Republicans only to the degree which leaves the flow of wealth intact. The flow can narrow within certain margins if it has to, but it cannot be redistributed.

(As much as i have ranted against the idea in other threads, I'm not obtuse, I know that this is what Chapo Traphouse is talking about when they call identity issues a distraction. It is true that there can be huge differences in how the two parties treat minorities without any real threat to most industries' profits.)

As long as social stratification is preserved, capital ultimately doesn't care about the identities inside those strata. The GOP sees that it's easiest and most profitable to just preserve traditional race and gender stratification, while the Democrats are able to look progressive in their willingness to let identities mix within strata, or to sacrifice a variably-sized slice of still-healthy profits to keep people in the lowest strata alive.

Capital does not want to accommodate this sacrifice, but it can easily survive it. The GOP way is more profitable, and therefore preferable, but if they should happen to go too far and fall from grace for awhile, their Democratic replacements will be tolerable. A backup plan.

The thing is, capitalism is not going to survive the things humans are going to have to do to survive on this planet. We keep trying to find ways around that by using tax credits to reward capital for certain sacrifices, but it was already too late for that in 2008.

We are going to fight capital every step of the way and at the end? When what's left of us are eking out our survival down in the caves or whatever?

It's going to be socialist as heck down there.

I think it all depends on how bad the economy is and if the shit hits the fan. Because there is....shit.

I was thinking he might try to run Ivanka as VP.

Trying to have positive thoughts and manifest him being out of office. Remembering that even Nixon got elected to a second term before it all went down in flames.

If indeed Trump were president and were deposed/died/whetever gets him out of office, I would rather be left with NH than Pence.

Small local controversy here in Houston following the debate-- Beto rented a craft brewery for a rally and that brewery was in the suburb of Katy, where there are a lot of Republicans.

The brewery posted a statement on their facebook page which said "the brewery can be rented by anyone."

I went to the post and the comments were MESSED UP, many of them along the lines of this one:

"the issue with Beto in particular is he's advocating a policy, which if implemented, would result in massive massive violence. If No Label is going to enforce this [rental] policy blindly, then i presume they won't turn away the klan or black lives matter or antifa... as long as they're not violent inside the brewery"

Coupla things: i see here the seeds of a rhetoric which would label anyone who wants any kind of ban as a terrorist (by claiming that Beto is advocating for "massive massive violence") and also holds up Black Lives Matter as basically the POC equivalent of the Klan.

There were several comments that used that comparison, each time joining the Klan to Black Lives Matter-- an organization which was born in response to white supremacist violence is now cast as the equivalent to the original embodiment of white supremacist violence, and can thus be used to excuse the Klan's continued existence.

If this is a preview of the rhetoric that is going to be deployed around anyone who supports a ban on assault weapons, it is very insidious.

Basically what it looks like to me is the real domestic terrorists trying to broaden the definition of terrorism so that it splashes over onto those trying to fight domestic terrorism.

In the same way that Obama was "the real racist," gun control activists will be labeled as "the real terrorists."

Beto is not advocating violence, he is advocating a policy to which the right has declared they will respond with violence. By continuing to advocate for a ban in light of this threat, Beto therefore becomes responsible for the illegal violence the right has promised-- it is out of their hands!

In the same way, the right claims racism was "fixed" until Obama supposedly brought it back with his "divisiveness". If it was really fixed, electing a POC would have been a non-event. Since it was most emphatically NOT a non-event, and instead caused the white folks to lose their minds, the white people made their reaction Obama's fault.

The white folks' message is "we are violent, and if you do not let the threat of that violence silence you, you are inviting that violence and therefore our violence is your fault"

What a great post!~

I think no matter what happens, there will be continued violence. The pot is already stirred.

As those of us who have lived in the US for a while know, racism has always been present and if we allow one group of perceived extremists the right to protest, we must give the other side's perceived extremists the same right.

I remember as a teenager, being so aghast that the klan was allowed to have rallys. But being able to complain about the government and rally is part of our civil liberty...and the right of all US citizens.

We have to hunker down and try to make sure everyone we know votes. We need to have a strong landslide so that there is no question the cheeto must go, then when he refuses, he can be removed.

People lie and blame the other side. I see no way to stop that. :praying::praying::praying::praying::praying:

~
 

I keep hearing positive news reports about Senator Elizabeth Warren's bid for the POTUS, and how she's been talking about policy regarding Ethics, and policy regarding Health Care. I don't know much about any position she might advocate and build policy around, concerning Labor, but I imagine she has a strong stand on these and other policy issues, which stand on the precipice of being annihilated by the horrible GOP & that infernal "Can't and Won't Tell The Truth" ~~~>>>>> T^^^P.

I dreamed the other night that Senator Warren was elected POTUS by a small percentage of votes, over that horrible person in the WH. It felt like a very scary dream, because no one in the media was quite sure if she won or not. But, in my dream, because of last minute voter reform efforts at ballot stations nation wide, and because news reporter's kept reporting, while being told to not report, by that horrible WH monster and his minions, it finally came to pass, via 'Breaking Headline News', that every single horrible person who had a hand in trying to take over the world (T, et al) were teleported by Star Trek's Vulcan of the hour, Spock, to the Neutron-Eating Star, which spit them out into the Black Hole of the Universe, never to be heard from or seen again. That was the good part of my dream, but omg, my dream scared me so much.

Anyhooooo. I sure do like how things are shaping up concerning Senator Warren's bid for the POTUS. Hopefully, the prevailing winds will carry her over the nomination line and land her in the WH, where she'll hopefully be able to salvage what's left of America and help rebuild policy and help AOC get her Green Policy for Climate Change given top priority.

I heard Naomi Klein on Democracy Now, earlier today on the drive home, and she's got a new book out, concerning Climate Change and she talked about what people can do right now, going forward. I can't remember the name of her book, but her interview was enlightening and the young lady who received the Amnesty International recognition award today, was inspirational. Greta Thunberg. That is her name. If interested in listening to either story about Naomi or Greta, you can find both stories, and accompanying videos, on the home page of: www.democracynow.org.

Did anyone catch Elizabeth Warren on Colbert last night? It is a really interesting interview, kind of a “must see” for anyone thinking of voting for a pusher of “Medicare for all.”

In a nutshell, Colbert asked if “Medicare for all” would raise taxes on the middle class, and he did his best to make her stop avoiding the question.

It really is worth a watch.

**not a fan of political double speak.

I watched the clip and it was interesting. While I like the utopian concept of Medicare for all it does in fact have to be paid for. I watched the debate a few nights ago and a couple of the candidates were saying things like no premiums, no deductibles, free Medicare.

The money to pay for it will come from tax revenue just as it does now. I think that Warren, couched in doublespeak, acknowledges this in a very backhanded way generally but not in this interview. None of the candidates want to say directly that yes, the middle class and every other class of taxpayer will pay for added services, there’s nowhere else for it to come from.

Medicare isn’t free now, there are premiums and deductibles and co-pays currently. Are they proposing to revamp Medicare to make it free for those already on it and then add a large number of people? What about the doctors? Where are we going to find them? Will they be compelled to accept Medicare payments? Many do not accept Medicare patients now.

I would like to see any candidate answer these questions clearly in some sort of policy document. Not holding my breath. :thinking:

Here's the latest in how corporate employers hurt the common worker: by taking away their healthcare coverage.

United Auto Workers are striking against GM. Whole Foods just pulled the same stunt as GM.

"Whole Foods is owned by Amazon, whose CEO Jeff Bezos is the richest man in the world, with an estimated net worth of over $114 billion. A new analysis by the consumer watchdog Decision Data finds “Bezos makes more money than the cost of an entire year of benefits for these 1,900 employees in somewhere between 2 to 6 hours.”

LINKS (below):

General Motors Cuts Health Insurance for 50,000 Striking Workers

Whole Foods Cuts Healthcare Benefits to Nearly 2,000 Workers


I am not independently wealthy, nor did my parents die and leave all their assets to me (trust fund or annuity), nor have I ever won any proverbial lottery..... but my mom has been a nurse all her life (52 years of duty, as an 80 year old lady) and even she knows how crooked the medical industry is and the IRS. The only reason she still works 55 hours a week, and is co-owner of a business, is to generate income to pay monthly diabetic expenses for my three brothers who cannot be insured due to how the state of Idaho (run by the GOP) runs the show on who gets to be covered and who pays the most.

Will a Socialized Medicine model be a better productive way to care for people, rather than the American modeled medical industry that is robbing people left and right, no matter where the person is on the spectrum of wealth (poorest to richest, antiquated model)?


In my mind, socialized medicine seems to be working in other countries and while it may not be perfect, at least the socialized model of medical care is not like the rabid monster of care in our country --> which is sterile and cares nothing for people themselves or their wellbeing, but cares only for the money and the money-master it serves.