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Rockinonahigh 03-08-2010 10:19 AM

ALH ..Incubus... my arthritis has been giveing me fits to no end for a while,I was on celebrex 200mg for a long time.I have dgenerative disk in my back along with sciatic probs because of it all...last week the doc finaly put me on meloxicam and Lidocain patches wich make a hugh diffrents.Hopefully at some point I can get the disk prob fixed this year then most of this will be gone(I hope)..ice packs help as well.I am waiting for word on the appointment at LSU to see what is the best way to go.Im a lot wary of surgery and its near a last resort but injections are something im willing to try first...anyone have thoughts on the injections?

Daktari 03-08-2010 10:37 AM

I just want to acknowledge your post Rockinonahigh but I'm just off out into the real world so will come back later to reply properly to you. :chaplin:

Liam 03-08-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh (Post 62795)
ALH ..Incubus... my arthritis has been giveing me fits to no end for a while,I was on celebrex 200mg for a long time.I have dgenerative disk in my back along with sciatic probs because of it all...last week the doc finaly put me on meloxicam and Lidocain patches wich make a hugh diffrents.Hopefully at some point I can get the disk prob fixed this year then most of this will be gone(I hope)..ice packs help as well.I am waiting for word on the appointment at LSU to see what is the best way to go.Im a lot wary of surgery and its near a last resort but injections are something im willing to try first...anyone have thoughts on the injections?

Injections worked for my Mom for about 18 months, by then the quality of he life had deteroriated rapidly, and she was no longer the active person, she had always been. Surgery for her discs was no longer an option, but a necessity. She went with the X-stops which makes the fusion procedure seem barbaric; she was up and walking the day after her surgery, and for the first time, she was pain free without drugs, in a long time. She is very active, once again, and almost everyday, expresses her gratitude toward a doctor and a procedure which gave her, the life she enjoys, back.

christie 03-08-2010 10:54 AM

*peeking my head in*

Since the big 40 bday was Saturday, I guess it means I can officially hang here now!

Wryly 03-08-2010 11:50 AM

Hi Christie!
Happy belated birthday! :birthdaycake:

I never thought that, for most things, the actual number matters - what matters is how you feel and act.
Although - I suppose I'll feel different about that in a few years!

Didn't take my nephew back to college after all. My sister had the honour. Good thing she had a map - he didn't even know the highway to get there. She was so stressed when she got home.

Off to enjoy a bit of this beautiful day. Have a good one!

morningstar55 03-08-2010 11:56 AM

just peeking in here.........

hello Incubus miss seeing your scoundral ol self in here .. hope u and AtLast get bk to your old selves soon.

Happy Belated birthday Christi ..
wryl..... im been wanting to check out that WII more.. i hear they have a great excersize thingie

Rockinonahigh 03-08-2010 12:07 PM

Liam
Originaly the surgeon wanted to do the fusion thing wich I am not into cause I know there are better ways to do this,could u please explane the Xstops it sounds intresting.Being pain free is something im not shure I remember after all these years,tho the patches do help, it has limits.I know that haveing a back injury has really messed up my personal life big time not to mention what it has done to my working as a chef(wich I really dig doing),I have tryed to ajust to this but its really hard cause I feel like a race horse stuck in the gates..all reved up and just cant get out ..its a bummer.
Rock

Rockinonahigh 03-08-2010 12:11 PM

Christie

Happy belated bday,hope u partyed hard and had a blast.
Rock

Liam 03-08-2010 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh (Post 62842)
Liam
Originaly the surgeon wanted to do the fusion thing wich I am not into cause I know there are better ways to do this,could u please explane the Xstops it sounds intresting.Being pain free is something im not shure I remember after all these years,tho the patches do help, it has limits.I know that haveing a back injury has really messed up my personal life big time not to mention what it has done to my working as a chef(wich I really dig doing),I have tryed to ajust to this but its really hard cause I feel like a race horse stuck in the gates..all reved up and just cant get out ..its a bummer.
Rock

Here is a link that will explain all:

http://www.xstop.com/

I suggest you send away for your free info kit, not all back surgeons are familiar with these, and you might want to enlighten yours.

Best of luck.

Daktari 03-08-2010 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh (Post 62795)
ALH ..Incubus... my arthritis has been giveing me fits to no end for a while,I was on celebrex 200mg for a long time.I have dgenerative disk in my back along with sciatic probs because of it all...last week the doc finaly put me on meloxicam and Lidocain patches wich make a hugh diffrents.Hopefully at some point I can get the disk prob fixed this year then most of this will be gone(I hope)..ice packs help as well.I am waiting for word on the appointment at LSU to see what is the best way to go.Im a lot wary of surgery and its near a last resort but injections are something im willing to try first...anyone have thoughts on the injections?

I really am on the same sheet Rockinonahigh and you have my sympathies. As well as cortisone tomorrow I should also find out the results of the MRI scan I had on my neck - I seem to have severely degraded discs between all my neck vertebrae and I too am hoping that surgery is avoidable.

It was my thinking that the injections have to be worth a try first before more invasive procedures - at this point in time I'll be happy with some pain-relief and mobility back in my shoulder for just a few months. My doctor thinks that surgery is inevitable on my shoulders but at least it would be key-hole surgery and not majorly invasive. Despite this it would still need recovery time and I'd prefer that to be in the dark days of winter.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam (Post 62800)
Injections worked for my Mom for about 18 months, by then the quality of he life had deteroriated rapidly, and she was no longer the active person, she had always been. Surgery for her discs was no longer an option, but a necessity. She went with the X-stops which makes the fusion procedure seem barbaric; she was up and walking the day after her surgery, and for the first time, she was pain free without drugs, in a long time. She is very active, once again, and almost everyday, expresses her gratitude toward a doctor and a procedure which gave her, the life she enjoys, back.

Thank you for the information Liam, it's good to know that the cortisone helped for at least a while. I hope there's something like the x-stops for necks, I've looked at the site and can't find reference to neck application.


Quote:

Originally Posted by christie0918 (Post 62803)
*peeking my head in*

Since the big 40 bday was Saturday, I guess it means I can officially hang here now!

Belated Happy Birthday to you christie - you've hit the best ever decade, I hope you have great fun in the coming years :winky:

...and welcome to the Loft :chaplin:


Quote:

Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 62832)
just peeking in here.........

hello Incubus miss seeing your scoundral ol self in here .. hope u and AtLast get bk to your old selves soon.

Happy Belated birthday Christi ..
wryl..... im been wanting to check out that WII more.. i hear they have a great excersize thingie

Wotcha! morningstar ...I'm in an around just not had much to say for myself over the last few days. :groucho:



I hope you enjoyed the sunshine Wryly :thumbsup:

Rockinonahigh 03-08-2010 06:18 PM

Liam...Thank you so much for the link,I have called for an info pack to take with me when I go see the doc.The last ortho I had wanted to split me open like a side of beef,put rods up both sided of my spine...my anser to him was NO Way!!!Definatly he wasnt a happy camper missing out on the inshurace $$$.

Incubus...I feel for ya with the neck injury,I have a simular prob on the left side of my neck where a bale of hay got droped on me a fue years ago,hurt something awfull.I have been told there is something called disk spacers that is used for the neck injurys..tho after reading about the xstops would work as well.
One thing I find that helps my neck is haveing a good masage therapist help strecth out the muscels and all to loosen up my sholders and neck...good for the back too.

Jet 03-08-2010 06:24 PM

Dropping in to say hey while having dinner.
Back to a movie and then a workout.

have a good one

morningstar55 03-08-2010 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet (Post 63086)
Dropping in to say hey while having dinner.
Back to a movie and then a workout.

have a good one

whats for dinner?? and
is the movie any good???


.. i hear ya ... Mr Incubus Syr

u all talking about pain .. now my right knee i think i twisted it today its been sparting off a painful spot on the left side of my right knee.. when i walk a bit.... i was shopping for some food supplies for the truck today and found if i leaned on the cart and walked it felt better..
soo tonight though im gonna go to bed with my feet up and my knee proped up on a pillow........ i love lots of pilows i have 4 in my truck but want more.. lol
ok enough rambling.......... im off to bed... nity nites

ruthie14 03-08-2010 09:18 PM

NIghty night morningstar... you might wanna put some ice on that knee....


Innubus and Liam.. know what you mean about pain... I hurt my neck and back in a near miss in a car 16 years ago. Didn't work full time for 8 years and I am still under the care of a back pain specialist. Have tried everything except surgery. Doing ok now...working a full time job and a part time job. But it took a long time to get here and to know what works for me. Still get awful migraines and back pain if I'm not careful. But not as bad as before thank God.

Good Luck guys, it may take a while..but keep trying everything .. you never know what will work for you!

Good night all,

Ruthie



AtLast 03-08-2010 09:30 PM

Oh, no ... too many peeps with injuries! OUCH!

I seem to have the sneezies again... UGH! But had a good walk, even if it was raining! Damn dog!


:dots:

Jet 03-08-2010 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 63196)
whats for dinner?? and
is the movie any good???


.. i hear ya ... Mr Incubus Syr

u all talking about pain .. now my right knee i think i twisted it today its been sparting off a painful spot on the left side of my right knee.. when i walk a bit.... i was shopping for some food supplies for the truck today and found if i leaned on the cart and walked it felt better..
soo tonight though im gonna go to bed with my feet up and my knee proped up on a pillow........ i love lots of pilows i have 4 in my truck but want more.. lol
ok enough rambling.......... im off to bed... nity nites

Hi barb,

Fixed Chicken cooked in butter and apricot jam.
Baked potato and salad.
Watching Valkyrie with Tom Cruise while I'm working out.
take care.

'nite ruthie
jet

miss entycing 03-08-2010 09:36 PM

evenin' Lofters
:eyebat:

hope everyone is having a lovely evening... been a fabulous day here- we hit 71 degrees, and mercy......... lemme just tell y'all how nice it felt- I was a very happy femmy today cuz I got to sport flip flops! We wandered around Wal Mart and Costco this afternoon, found some GREAT deals at Costco- havent been in ages!
then home to a quiet evening of nothin much- just hangin out and relaxin'.
:dozey:

MS- hope your knee gets to feelin' better sugar... and don't forget to let me know when you roll back thru the Carolinas...
you can park the truck and come on over for dinner, or coffee...or somethin'! You're welcome anytime!
:girleating:

anyways.... y'all have a decadent evening, and behave- or not.
:seesaw:

Jet 03-08-2010 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EntycingFemme (Post 63237)
evenin' Lofters
:eyebat:

hope everyone is having a lovely evening... been a fabulous day here- we hit 71 degrees, and mercy......... lemme just tell y'all how nice it felt- I was a very happy femmy today cuz I got to sport flip flops! We wandered around Wal Mart and Costco this afternoon, found some GREAT deals at Costco- havent been in ages!
then home to a quiet evening of nothin much- just hangin out and relaxin'.
:dozey:

MS- hope your knee gets to feelin' better sugar... and don't forget to let me know when you roll back thru the Carolinas...
you can park the truck and come on over for dinner, or coffee...or somethin'! You're welcome anytime!
:girleating:

anyways.... y'all have a decadent evening, and behave- or not.
:seesaw:

It was beeutiful in GA today, had all the windows and doors open and worked on art. Loved it...

miss entycing 03-08-2010 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet (Post 63266)
It was beeutiful in GA today, had all the windows and doors open and worked on art. Loved it...


goodness.. don't you just love the first signs of spring here in the south? The dogwoods are desperately wanting to bloom... my azaela's are already all green again- it's just so lovely! I actually was considering hanging the flower baskets from the porch, but thought it may be early still- we may still have a frost.... so I resisted temptation.. sigh- not an easy thing to do I tell ya! :fallenangel:
There are SOOOO many delicious colors already out this year-

anyways sweetie, I'm glad yoru day was just as lovely! Hope you have a great rest of the night....:)

Jet 03-08-2010 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EntycingFemme (Post 63300)
goodness.. don't you just love the first signs of spring here in the south? The dogwoods are desperately wanting to bloom... my azaela's are already all green again- it's just so lovely! I actually was considering hanging the flower baskets from the porch, but thought it may be early still- we may still have a frost.... so I resisted temptation.. sigh- not an easy thing to do I tell ya! :fallenangel:
There are SOOOO many delicious colors already out this year-

anyways sweetie, I'm glad yoru day was just as lovely! Hope you have a great rest of the night....:)

you too, take it easy. gn

morningstar55 03-09-2010 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet (Post 63228)
Hi barb,

Fixed Chicken cooked in butter and apricot jam.
Baked potato and salad.
Watching Valkyrie with Tom Cruise while I'm working out.
take care.

'nite ruthie
jet

now that sounds yummy......... now sure if i seen that movie.

mawning Lofters.
its a beautiful day in the nieghborhood for sure.

Entycing......... woHOo ty .. will keep that in mind. ummhmm interesting avatar .. lol id like to get some pix made kinda like that of me someday.
how close r u to charlotte?? sometimes I have parked over in Hartigans parking lot..... they let me camp out there.. lol
or sometimes i end up by Burlington. either way will keep you posted. thanx

hey Ruthie thanx......... i went to bed last night with my knee proped up on a pillow.. and this morning it feels like normal.... wooHOO for me knee.. lol hope it stays like that.


**offering ATLast some . Clariton..**


miss entycing 03-09-2010 03:09 PM

[QUOTE=morningstar55;63493][SIZE="3"]
Entycing......... woHOo ty .. will keep that in mind. ummhmm interesting avatar .. lol id like to get some pix made kinda like that of me someday.
how close r u to charlotte?? sometimes I have parked over in Hartigans parking lot..... they let me camp out there.. lol
or sometimes i end up by Burlington. either way will keep you posted. thanx





about an hour and 20 min from Charlotte and 2 hours or so from Atlanta- right off of I-85..... and please do keep me posted!

afternoon Lofters...:cheesy:
hope y'all are having a good day- just sittin' here on the front porch, lovin' the warm weather again today...
anyways, have a lovely rest of the afternoon everybody! :cheer:

Isadora 03-09-2010 04:02 PM

I am really horribly disappointed that the femme conference steering committee has no women of age. Looks like the face of older femmes is not part of their commitment to representing femmes. Older femmes are in visible even to other femmes.

Jet 03-09-2010 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isadora (Post 63736)
I am really horribly disappointed that the femme conference steering committee has no women of age. Looks like the face of older femmes is not part of their commitment to representing femmes. Older femmes are in visible even to other femmes.

but hey, you're visible here, heh

Isadora 03-09-2010 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ol' Jet (Post 63745)
but hey, you're visible here, heh

wooo hoooooooo

Rockinonahigh 03-09-2010 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isadora (Post 63736)
I am really horribly disappointed that the femme conference steering committee has no women of age. Looks like the face of older femmes is not part of their commitment to representing femmes. Older femmes are in visible even to other femmes.

Isadora,u and all the other femmes are definatly visable hear.But u have brought up a valid point cause this feeling of in visablity to our own home community happeneds to many older butches as well as femms.

ruthie14 03-09-2010 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isadora (Post 63736)
I am really horribly disappointed that the femme conference steering committee has no women of age. Looks like the face of older femmes is not part of their commitment to representing femmes. Older femmes are in visible even to other femmes.



Due to financial reasons I won't be able to go to the femme conference... but I find it disheartening to hear this. Maybe someone can start something before it is too late. Thanks for bringing this up Isa... we only get better as we age don't we! I am definately better at this age then any other!

Jet 03-09-2010 05:46 PM

i'm not invisible in the least nor do i feel as such, i'm happy to say.

Soft*Silver 03-09-2010 05:59 PM

Did you know I am working on a book about silver femmes and crone butches? I myself am a silver femme....I thought about offering a proposal on aging for that conference but I would never be able to pay for the fees, let alone the hotel....

I know that I have never felt prettier than I do now...and while people tell me that they love my silver hair, they themselves would NEVAH let their hair go grey. Age is such a taboo subject...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Isadora (Post 63736)
I am really horribly disappointed that the femme conference steering committee has no women of age. Looks like the face of older femmes is not part of their commitment to representing femmes. Older femmes are in visible even to other femmes.


Soft*Silver 03-09-2010 06:02 PM

I wonder where all the silver back butches are...maybe they are not inclined to come out and challenge the youth oriented BF culture. I know that I have looked for 55 and older...and few are found...


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockinonahigh (Post 63799)
Isadora,u and all the other femmes are definatly visable hear.But u have brought up a valid point cause this feeling of in visablity to our own home community happeneds to many older butches as well as femms.


Martina 03-09-2010 06:04 PM

i went back and looked at the committee. Maybe no one over 50, but some amazing women in that group. i won't be attending either though even though i live nearby. i am kind of tired of gender ID politics and culture. Not finding them personally liberating right now. But i was impressed with that group.

Re the book softness is writing, totally cool. i do not not not want another ID category in my life though, so will not be adopting the silver femme one.

Jet 03-09-2010 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by softness (Post 63818)
Did you know I am working on a book about silver femmes and crone butches?

Yes I remember, you asked to interview me for that book on the other site and I declined. I hope it's going well for you.

Isadora 03-09-2010 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina (Post 63824)
i went back and looked at the committee. Maybe no one over 50, but some amazing women in that group. i won't be attending either though even though i live nearby. i am kind of tired of gender ID politics and culture. Not finding them personally liberating right now. But i was impressed with that group.

Re the book softness is writing, totally cool. i do not not not want another ID category in my life though, so will not be adopting the silver femme one.

I totally understand this...not much into it lately myself. I just find it interesting that probably no one is over 45. Amazing women do not make up for women over 50 being overlooked. I am not easily impressed anymore, just as women of color would not be impressed if they were ignored and left out, but that is me.

Liam 03-09-2010 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by softness (Post 63822)
I wonder where all the silver back butches are...maybe they are not inclined to come out and challenge the youth oriented BF culture. I know that I have looked for 55 and older...and few are found...

Well I'm not 55 yet, and its not silver, its white, and oh yes, I'm not a butch.

Isadora 03-09-2010 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liam (Post 63833)
Well I'm not 55 yet, and its not silver, its white, and oh yes, I'm not a butch.

*S* I am over 55, pushin 60, and a redhead and not a butch either. *giggle*

Wryly 03-09-2010 06:48 PM

What is this conference you guys are talking about???
Is it part of the reunion in Little Rock?

Isadora 03-09-2010 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wryly (Post 63853)
What is this conference you guys are talking about???
Is it part of the reunion in Little Rock?


No, it is not part of the reunion...
The Femme Collective proudly announces:
FEMME2010: No Restrictions
August 20--22nd
Oakland Marriott City Center
Oakland, CA

Wryly 03-09-2010 06:51 PM

Thank you Isadora.

Isadora 03-09-2010 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wryly (Post 63858)
Thank you Isadora.

you are welcome

Rockinonahigh 03-09-2010 08:24 PM

New vs older:
 
This invisablity i'm speaking about is simply not finding a place to belong in the queer world I live in.Even as little as five years ago it wasnt this way,I knew many folks of diffrent ages and then age wasnt a facrtor in anything..not so with the new group that has come along.For one thay are either tweeners or andros or questioning ...cetanly the people who were even close to my age have either broken up and left town or gone underground,the fue I do see hear and there simply dont acknowledge other gay people when we meet in public..not everyone, but the majority.It has become a place of terratorial(sp?) boundries in every bar we have hear.If anyone is over a certan age its like u r in a void,I thought it was just where I live but i'm finding it's other places as well.I was talking to friends of mine who live in another city and they are finding the same prob where thay live.Looks l,ike if u r older u are to old to belong anywhere.


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