Everybody's all nervous about the swing states, but this week seems to indicate that Democrats are getting back the suburbs and the Obama/Trump voters. If so, that means Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan return to blue. Trump could still win. And he does have the cheating Republican party and the Kremlin working for him. I've been playing with an electoral college map, and my best predictions make it all come down to Colorado for a seven electoral vote victory for whoever wins it. Our future in the hands of Colorado? Well, they went blue in 2016, so maybe we are ok.

So, Bloomberg. What do you think?

I think he saw Biden flailing and decided he needed to put on his capitalist cape and swoop in to save us from Bernie/Warren

Mayor Pete's moving on up.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/11/12/pol...www.cnn.com%2F

Warren dropped by half. It's either her Medicare plan, which supports those a who think centrist policies will prevail, or just Mayor Pete doing better at her expense. Biden is still on top. Biden looks frail, and Pete is pretty cool. But if it's all about winning the general election, and you had to choose between those two, Biden would be the better bet. But Sanders is still number two, and polls show him doing better against Trump than Biden would. And he held his own in the same poll so I don't think this is a reaction to Medicare for all. Pete's just kicking ass out there.

Warren falling behind
 

My original thought was that Warren was doing well until she announced her policy - that is, eliminating choice for health care, and how she would finance it. That just won't wash for a large majority of Americans. After keeping an eye on polls and watching news, it still seems that that is the case. I wonder if it is possible now for Warren to backtrack and change her mind on that. It just seems so strange to me that these candidates seem to be entirely locked in their positions. Doesn't anyone talk to them and advise them that they might lose 'cause they won't budge on their positions? I mean, doesn't anyone worry enough that Trump might win a second term, unless some candidate rises to the top against him that is willing to understand that most Americans who vote Democrat have a moderate bent?

Pete is doing well 'cause of his "centrist"/moderate viewpoint and this appeals to many Americans, and this is also why Biden is still ahead in the polls (I still don't trust Pete).

All I have to say is that I hope to hell people vote no matter who they vote for, I am seeing a huge downfall of young folks not voting even some older folks as well.

I dont know if they dont get that its a right they have to vote or they dont truly care.

That was a pretty amazing Op-Ed over on CNN about Nancy Pelosi: If she ran for President, She'd Beat T---p.


And I would most certainly vote for her too.


Anybody else sick of seeing or hearing about or learning about the latest dastardly game-plan by McConnell and Graham, et al? :firetruck:


Go Team Pelosi, Team Schiff and Team Nadler. RIP Team Cummings (my heart is still broken over the loss of REP Cummings (D).

Nothing could make me happier than for long standing GOP senators to lose their long held seats of in the US Senate. That and Democrats winning in a landslide for President and in the US Senate and maintaining the US House of Representatives. That would make the year 2020 the best gift to the world, ever. Please oh Please, that's my wish for next year. :praying::praying::praying:

Trump may be Maine Sen. Susan Collins’ biggest re-election hurdle
 

Republican Sen. Susan Collins has a well-funded Democrat prepping to challenge her next year. She has national women’s groups ready to attack her over her vote for Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh. And she’s a moderate facing an electorate that increasingly prioritizes purity. Still, the four-term Maine senator’s biggest hurdle to re-election may be the president of her own party.

President Trump’s potential impeachment in the House and subsequent trial in the Senate presents a distinct dilemma for Collins. Of the handful of Republicans senators facing re-election next year, she has done perhaps the most to keep a clear distance from Trump.

https://www.pressherald.com/2019/11/...ection-hurdle/

Clearly her word is worthless! She's served four-term already!

Warren lost me with her waffling on Medicare for All. I switched my monthly donation from her to Castro. At this point i am only donating to Castro and Sanders.

Anybody remember George McGovern?

"In the general election on November 7, 1972, the McGovern–Shriver ticket suffered a 61 percent to 37 percent defeat to Nixon – at the time, the second biggest landslide in American history, with an Electoral College total of 520 to 17. McGovern's two electoral vote victories came in Massachusetts and the District of Columbia, and he failed to win his home state of South Dakota Over the nation as a whole he carried a mere 135 counties. At just over four percent of the nation's counties, McGovern's county wins remain the fewest by almost a factor of three for any major-party nominee." (Thanks Wikipedia).

Nixon won.

I'm sure there are still some Democrats around who remember that idealistic disaster.

Indeed, I am old enough to remember this!

ok then, homoe...lol

Then you also probably appreciate the perils of being too far ahead of the electorate. They don't seem to favour fascists or socialists but if that's the only choice they are less scared of fascists...and they are easier to salute so you can show your loyalty and stay "safe".

~
 

^5 NH I am not a fan of Sanders at all..... talks out both sides of his mouth on a few very imp. issues.

I heard on NPR that the Democratic party paid $68,000 to the company (Shadow - something) to create the app. This small amount leads me to believe that it was probably written by some computer geek working out of their garage, and the (Shadow - something) company is probably just one or two people - hence, that's why nobody could get through on the phone line.

You get what you pay for.

I...sincerely cannot believe this caucus debacle. This was NOT the year to try anything fancy or new, like a f*cking app when the plain ol POTS telephone has always worked fine and there was never a primary that needed to be cleaner than this one.

I...am starting to believe the Bernie bros were right and the primary was rigged against him in 2016 and will be rigged against him this time, too.

At the very least i am starting to believe the Democrats are not serious, or that they are serious about helping Wall Street and the health insurance companies and only that.

They are not the opposition, they are the status quo's backup plan.

I gave Sanders an extra donation last night and put my local DSA on a recurring monthly donation.

I have liked Pete in the past and Warren as well, but i am not supporting a candidate who waffles on M4A or who caps student loan relief

oh i see i am repeating myself

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NH myself and my family were all thinking the same as you ! The fact that Pelosi extended her hand to shake that greasy McDonalds limb showed respect. regardless of her personal feelings . The youth of today learned a lesson of ethics by Pelosi ~ BUT ^5 Nancy for "ripping " Trump a new ( insert imagination here ) lol I applauded her ending ~ American news reporters need to keep their personal opinions to them selves. Reporting the news is just that REPORTING ~ Maybe most should go back to school to become a journalist like most of their peers have ! They generalized Pelosi's actions as a democratic opinion ~ when her actions was what she felt ~ she owned that and like I said I applaud her reaction to Trumps lack of ethics once again. Now on to NH ~ let's see what tricks that tricky rabbitt has up his sleeve ~ not that anything else could fit up there ~ :shocking:

Leading Bernie Bro: I’ll vote for no one else but Sanders
‘Chapo Trap House’ host sparks online ire for pledging to not vote if Sanders loses

The hosts of the podcast Chapo Trap House are no strangers to sparking controversy online, given their anti-establishment tone and stridently left-wing takes.

But a post by host Will Menaker last night is drawing ire, where he pledged to refuse to vote for anyone but Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in the 2020 election, should Sanders lose the nomination.

“I won’t vote for anyone but Bernie in the general, can’t say what the hundreds of thousands of people who listen to my show will do, but I’m only speaking for myself. Just something to consider,” he wrote on Twitter

There it is. My worst nightmare and the whole reason i started this thread the on day i did

BUT

i'm not going to spend any time crying about how shady this is. i'm going to spend my time begging and pleading for everyone to for god's sake just obey the loud white man. I am not even being satirical with that, i am fucking terrified

Don't be terrified. Well, don't be terrified of that anyway. Bernie bros refusing to support the democratic candidate is not the reason the dems will lose the election. It's not the reason Trump won in 2016 and it's not the reason Trump will win again in 2020. Check out his approval ratings.They are the highest they have ever been and this is in the midst of an impeachment hearing. Lots of people love him. Bernie's supporters are not the reason we will have to bear another 4 years of this idiot. Bernie bros are not alone in cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Political groups across the spectrum have well documented tantrums when they don't get their way. I had hoped the DNC would find a candidate who has a chance to win this election and support him or her. But they have sold their souls to the devil (or maybe it's corporations hard to tell difference sometimes) and if the candidate they want can't win so be it. And they have the kind of power that Bernie supporters do not, check out how they have gummed up the works so far. We are supposed to believe what happened in Iowa was just one of those things. Better to appear incompetent than evil I guess. They are the real threat to throw this election. Be terrified of that.

Ugh I shouldn't have looked. I am not going to be held hostage by the Bernie Bros. The last person on earth I would ever vote for in the Primaries is Bernie Sanders. If he wins the nomination, of course, I will be forced to vote for him and then brace for the landslide Chump victory.

I am sick and tired of Sanders and the toxic segment of his supporters (not all of his supporters) trying to destroy the Democratic party.

The conspiracy theories about the app really need to stop. Wishful thinking on my part. No one would manufacture this sheer incompetence.

I have voted in many places and the volunteers are almost always over the age of 70. So you are going to introduce a new app and not have enough phone support and have a ridiculous amount of math and complex rules to calculate the results and you think it's going to go fine?

Plus the rules were being violated right on TV - according to the rules, in the realignment people who were not originally viable weren't supposed to get to become viable on the second round. People were joining together to make someone viable. Way too complicated.

The Iowa Democratic party and DNC are to blame but there is no bloody conspiracy. Also, Sanders is the one that wanted the extra numbers reported - which complicated a ridiculous complicated process even further. He likes caucuses when he likes them and then when he doesn't he tries to turn them into a semi-primary. No matter what happens everyone is against him. Waaaa.

There is no bloody conspiracy. Knock it off. Sounds like Trumpers. If someone wanted to design an app for nefarious reasons they would claim it was working great and feed it bogus results - not tell everyone it was broken and have a paper trail.

Why does a little all-white state with a ridiculous caucus get to have so much sway on the primary process anyway, followed by another all-white small state with a primary? It sucks. NH can easily be mucked up by "independents" (Trumpers) voting in the primary to vote for whoever they think is least likely to beat Trump.

Trump can definitely be defeated but right now I don't see any good candidate that can. Beyond frustrating. It's definitely not Sanders.

God I should never have looked. Over and out.

I agree with you on this. I don't know what possessed me. Out of here.

Well, according to Rachel Maddow, it looks like there may have been some Trumpsters jamming the phone lines in Iowa. So that might have actually been at least partly why people couldn't phone in their results.

To me, phoning in results doesn't seem super reliable either, but I guess that's how they have always done it before the new app. But results still don't appear to be totally right even though they are 100% in now - probably wouldn't affect the delegate counts. Get rid of the caucus.

I am annoyed at both Buttigieg and Sanders trying to declare they won. Buttigieg on the night of - with no results in - and then today Sanders trying to claim victory based on the popular vote from the first round - this is a caucus not a primary. Dudes you tied, quit being dishonest.

I don't think it's going to be an issue. The odds are currently strongly in favor of a Bernie nomination. If that's the way it turns out, I am going to soooo love saying, "Vote blue no matter who."

Will Menaker today:

If you support what I have been assured is the *same* agenda and would like to see Elizabeth Warren *somewhere* in the White House in 2021 and beyond, working for that agenda, you're best and only chance of that is voting Sanders and stopping Buttigieg RIGHT NOW. That it's.

Please, I beg of you, you can fucking own me into oblivion for all the churlish posts I've made about her and her campaign if you come through on this and help crush Buttigieg on Tuesday by coming over to Sanders.

Seriously, you can find all my old posts making fun of you and ram them down my fucking throat, quote RT them, do dog piles and coordinated harassment. Please, please prove once and for all that I am just a rich, privileged bro asshole and not right about you, this.

A lot of progressives are getting triggered by Iowa and Clinton's attacks. I have no interest in attacking Pete or Warren or Bloomberg even. I see more anti Pete stuff, but I don't think many Bernie supporters care. I think the DNC inspires more anger than any of the candidates.

Been reading about the DSA, seems it has fewer members than the Rotary Club.
When the shit hits the fan and being a "socialist" in America starts to have zero cachet and can actually get you hung and wont get you invited to a gallery opening...I'd bet on the Rotary.

The only Socialists I respect are the ones that live it and have lived it for years and will still be living it when it's no longer de rigueur to drink Manhattans, , Negronis, and hoist a Mimosa to Marx on Sunday mornings. No fun being a socialist when everyone else can be one. But till then drink beer and hope the poor notice.

I have no clue who Will Menaker is but no way.

Oh yeah, let the little woman step aside for the great man. I'm sure Elizabeth Warren's supporters who have heard all the Bernie Bros calling her a liar, Pocahontas, etc. will be "all in."

It's a long race. We've gone through 1 small white state that was a caucus and after NH is over, 2 small white states. That's it. Sanders isn't owed anything.

Biden has the most support among black voters, Warren is second and we have much more diverse states coming up. I couldn't find a quick link to the surveys but I saw on AM Joy that a YouGov poll for Democratic Candidate Preference among Registered Black Voters for January 2020 showed Biden 46%, Sanders 17%, and Warren 14%. For February 2020 it was Biden 43%, Warren 14%, Bloomberg 12%, Sanders 8%. Sanders dropped a lot. I'm definitely not ready to crown him king.

I'm not a Pete supporter - it's ridiculous to think you can go from being a mayor of a mid-sized city to President of the United States - but I am definitely seeing plenty of attacks from the Bernie Bros.

If I was someone who begs - which I am not - I'd be begging people to vote for anyone but Sanders so we can avoid a landslide Trump victory and not have the House and Senate dragged down as well.

Every poll for the last month and perhaps before has Sanders beating Trump in the general election.

"In the general election on November 7, 1972, the McGovern–Shriver ticket suffered a 61 percent to 37 percent defeat to Nixon – at the time, the second biggest landslide in American history, with an Electoral College total of 520 to 17. "

Sad to say, if Sanders becomes the Dem candidate, it's a good bet that the McGovern ticket will move into third place in the landslide sweepstakes.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sand...s-show-1486807

BERNIE SANDERS LEADS ALL DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES IN SUPPORT FROM NON-WHITE VOTERS, NEW POLLS SHOW

okay wait till u read this !!! Anna Navaro << I think that's how u spell it ~ said that TRUMP likes to be spanked with a rolled up news papers by a stripper !!! I was dusting when I over heard this on CNN ~ I have to say it was btwn. 12:00 and 1:00 pm lolol I was laughing so hard ~ I pictured his bull dog friend BARR and the rest of the TRUMPERS sitting around a card table w/ TRUMP getting spanked by a French poodle dressed like a stripper ~ puts a new twist on a old classic dog picture .

Well no doubt he'd prohibit any papers rolled from being from the Washington Post and NYTimes....:giggle:

Either of those would defeat the purpose and render him as limp as an old dish rag:giggle:

I found the following excerpt....

NAVARRO: “Now, on the substance of it, I think it’s downright laughable for somebody to define Donald Trump as the man, the masculine man on the stage. The masculine man on the stage — listen, he’s a draft dodger. This is a guy who wears more pancake makeup than any drag queen I ever saw. This is man whose hair is dyed. This is a man who, you know, allegedly gets spanked with a folded up magazine by a stripper. So I don’t know what the definition is of masculinity or being a man’s man, but I’d much rather a Pete Buttigieg who is loyal and who loves his husband, his one husband, as opposed to a man who cheated on his pregnant wife with a Playboy model and cheated on the Playboy model with a stripper, who then he paid hush money to. So if that’s the definition of masculinity, I will take Pete Buttigieg any day of the week.”

I do believe Trump is having the worst week of his presidency and there's still Friday and the weekend to come.

...and btw, AG Barr : " It's the cover-up, stupid."
( to paraphrase James Carville )