Linus:

No, no, please it would be rude for us to horde conservatives here and take Canadian conservatives as well. You know, we should share. The two countries, long history of friendship etc., and I don't know that we've ever given Canada anything...the French gave the U.S. the Statue of Liberty. I say we could give Canada the Tea Party movement as a token of our esteem and friendship. And at any rate, Canada has a lot of moose right? Conservatives like shooting moose. Everyone goes home happy--well, not the moose but you get the idea.

No need for thanks. It was nothing really. :)

Cheers
Aj

You better include some helicopters to aid in shooting the Moose. I heard the conservatives like that ;)

Helicopters are SOOOOO 2008. Stealth Bombers are where it's at for hunting moose from the air.

http://tremendousnews.com/wp-content...lth-bomber.jpg


If you're old fashioned, though, and want to hunt from the ground then nothing--I mean NOTHING--beats an M1A1 Abrahms tank. Road speed of 70mph and the main gun is 120mm cannon.

http://www.army-technology.com/proje...ges/abram1.jpg

But if you are ready for real XTreme Hunting (tm) then I say go for the railgun in low-earth orbit.



Cheers
Aj

if you put sara palin in a helicopter and told her she was shooting moose, she'd so be there.

Y'all are thinking waaaayyyyy too small.

1) All the Canadian conservatives move to the US
2) All the US liberals move to Canada or Mexico (depending on if they prefer hot or cold)
3) The US conservatives send every undocumented person back to Mexico, Central America, South America, Europe, Canada, Asia, and Africa
4) Liberals in Canada and Mexico (the US's two largest suppliers of imported oil) overwhelmingly vote to quit exporting oil to the US, on account of being offended by the conservatives complaining about having to import oil from countries that hate Americans (which, by now, Canada and Mexico will have become)
5) The entire conservative population of North America now resides in a country with food shortages from collapsed agriculture and poultry industries, spiraling deficits because all the rich hollywood and silicon valley liberals have left and taken their industries (and associated tax dollars) with them, reduced tourism because there's no one to clean the hotels and bus the restaurant dishes, and a severe oil shortage because the Middle East is now the US's only major oil source.

I am humbled to be in the presence of a Jedi Master! Teach me your technique, sensei! I wish to become your Padawan learner and become as strong with the Dark Side of the Force as you.

I have often wished that we had another planet upon which we could run the libertarian experiment American conservatives have said they think would lead to the best of all societies.

One group could stay here, the other group would go to the other planet.

On one planet there would be public schools where children would learn history and science. There would be public libraries, public museums, civic symphonies and theatre. There would be a social safety net so that there was a minimum level below which no one would fall. There would be investment in public transportation and clean or renewable energy sources. Infrastructure would be maintained for the good of all. Taxes would be higher than they are now, but corporations would pay their share and the rich would pay their share. People would still be religious, of course, but there would be church, there would be state and the two would not meet.

On the other planet it would be a libertarian paradise. The ONLY regulations would be in favor of corporations restraining the actions of citizens--for example, it would be illegal to sue a company for damages due to a faulty product. It would be impossible to sue your physician. There would be no public schools, the churches would provide all educational and charitable services. There would be a flat-tax so the person making $10,000 a year would pay the same percentage in tax as the person making $10,000,000 a year. There would be no labor laws, no civil rights laws.

In schools children would learn that the Earth was 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs walked the planet at the same time. All scientific discoveries would be filtered through a religious authority to ensure that they were doctrinally correct. If they weren't then those discoveries would be suppressed.

There would be police, of course, who were mostly concerned with the protecting of corporate property. Guns would be easy to get and everyone would walk around with *at least* two. There would be no traffic laws to speak of however if you caused property damage you could be sued for that. If you caused the loss of life a citizen could sue another citizen.

Assuming that there were ethnic, religious, racial or sexual orientation minorities on this planet businesses would be free to discriminate against them in any way they chose that did not involve taking their property.

There would be no environmental regulations and labor unions would be outlawed.

Every generation (say 25 years) we could do a survey of the two planets and see which one had the happier, healthier, more long-lived population and we could see which one was more technologically advanced.

Cheers
Aj

:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:cracked: :cracked: :cracked:

I'm humbled, as your posts usually leave me curled up in a corner whimpering in despair because I can't muster 1/10th of your the brain power.

all joking aside...
here is a sobering thought and frightening story that I fear we shall see more of.

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/05/2..._Ark_shootout/

Which planet gets the scientists who know how to create interplanetary weapons?

The liberal one. Ultimately, science only really works in open societies and since the liberal society would allow scientific research to go apace without interference from the church and the other one would have the church looking over every research program for signs of doctrinal heresy, science would go further in the former. Science just doesn't do well in theocratic (or otherwise closed) societies -- look at what happened to Galileo and Copernicus or, more recently, look what happened to physics in Germany under the Nazi regime or biology under Stalinism.

Cheers
Aj

Brewer Falsely Claimed Immigrants Beheaded People In Arizona (VIDEO)
 

You know, I watched Criminal Minds repeat last night and it was an episode about a small town police officer, in Arizona, who was doing this against the undocumented. Makes me wonder if she can't tell reality from fantas... oh wait.

She can't.

You did give us something: two gold medals this past year at the Olympics ;)

And I don't think American conservatives would survive the Canadian Parliament. They'd have to learn how to issue insults without it appearing like an insult and they'd have to realize they've been insulted even from something that appears like a compliment.

And if you send Beck here, that will be reason for war. You have been warned! (and we've beaten the US once; we'd do it again and we'll inflict more Celine on you!)

Cheers, eh!

ALH:

I have to call something out here. Ordinarily I would let Belly do this because I don't fight her battles but you addressed me so it's my responsibility. Since it was public and since this is an example of something Belly has complained about generally here (so I'm not trying to make you the scapegoat) I'm doing this out in the open. If this was something better handled privately I apologize in advance.

You responded to me, but those thoughts are Belly's. Yes, it's something I might have said. It's certainly something I absolutely believe to be true. But Belly came into our relationship already believing that. She gets me. I get her. So it shouldn't be surprising that we would think a lot alike.

On another thread, Belly complained about butches not taking femme's seriously. This is what that looks like. Belly is a very intelligent woman and she has her own opinions. When she's posting, she's expressing *her* opinions. Opinions that I assume she arrived at on her own. I know that she did not have them fed to her by me.

On the larger point, femme's deserve to be taken seriously. We butches should take them seriously, we should do so because they deserve it and we should do so because if feminism means anything at all it means taking women seriously as human beings.

Cheers
Aj

The lemon juice and salt was just what that wound needed, thank you.

Actually I think that would be good for them. Character building, one might say.

There's no need to go straight to the Singers of Mass Destruction! Wasn't Bryan Adams enough? What did we EVER do to you to rate that?

Cheers
Aj

I would have preferred that you did PM me as this was just a slip of names due to knowing you as a couple and nothing more. A human error. Your comments about taking femmes and feminist ideology to me seems a bit off as I am a rock solid feminist and one of my Master's Degrees is in Women's Studies as well as my doctorial dissertation was on sex-roles and women's oppression (back in the day). As a woman and a feminist, and past professor of feminist and women’s studies, I certainly do take us seriously.

This was a simple error without any ill intent whatsoever and I did not think you wrote the post. I just mixed-up names, that's it. [/QUOTE]

I did not mean to imply that you were not a feminist and I didn't necessarily think it intentional. I appreciate your owning it and certainly would defer to you on questions of feminist theory.

Belly pointed the post out to me and I had seen it earlier in the day but every time I went to respond, the phone rang. Because I've seen femme's dismissed in ways both blatant and subtle, this seemed as good a time as any to point out one manifestation of this. It was not meant as a personal attack and my statement of feminism was not meant to convey any impression that I didn't think you were a feminist.

All theory aside--and theory is important--I think that my feminism most comes alive in how I treat other women. It is the most concrete expression of it. I hope that in how I engage with people here I treat the femme's in our midst as I treat my fellow butches. I hope that the femme's feel that I take them and their thoughts seriously because to me those are the beginning and end of feminism--as a personal ethic--for me. Everything else is commentary.

Again, no offense was meant.

Cheers
Aj

I did not mean to imply that you were not a feminist and I didn't necessarily think it intentional. I appreciate your owning it and certainly would defer to you on questions of feminist theory.

Belly pointed the post out to me and I had seen it earlier in the day but every time I went to respond, the phone rang. Because I've seen femme's dismissed in ways both blatant and subtle, this seemed as good a time as any to point out one manifestation of this. It was not meant as a personal attack and my statement of feminism was not meant to convey any impression that I didn't think you were a feminist.

All theory aside--and theory is important--I think that my feminism most comes alive in how I treat other women. It is the most concrete expression of it. I hope that in how I engage with people here I treat the femme's in our midst as I treat my fellow butches. I hope that the femme's feel that I take them and their thoughts seriously because to me those are the beginning and end of feminism--as a personal ethic--for me. Everything else is commentary.

Again, no offense was meant.

Cheers
Aj[/QUOTE]



[COLOR="Black"]Oh, I see your point and feel terrible for the blunder. I certainly also have seen countless dismissals of femmes on these sites. Although, I honestly do feel the Planet is much more feminist-friendly, really. And mods pick up on sexism far better than the old site. Does feel different to me. So much so, I left the other site completely. Not that I do not appreciate the fact that it did connect me to some fantastic people.

Absolutely how women treat other women is crucial!

Now, I have been thinking about the topic at hand in terms of how many other states and municipalities have been developing more such pieces of legislation based upon... the Federal government isn't doing its job.

It appears that the GOP is doing the usual legislative blocking of all things Democratic with actually getting somewhere with immigration reform. I'm glad Obama pointed this out recently and that a bill co-authored by McCain was kicked to the curb a couple of years ago.

I know so much about all of this go no where until after the mid-terms and if the GOP does pick up seats and the House reverts to a GOP majority, this will be even more of a mess. And the fact is that we do need sane, compassionate immigration reform. The Dems must hammer out the fact that the population of un-documented immigrants already in the US are staying! And a means for them to become legal (and citizens if that is what they desire) is critical in demonstrating that the US does indeed have a stake in having these people become part of the country in every way.

My only hope is that the Latino population is the fastest growing group of voters coming up. There needs to be a big voter registration drive going on and not just in border states. Latino candidates need to be supported (guess I do want that to be Democratic candidates!). This really needs to be a mass social movement. This can’t just keep going on.[ I feel that the amnesty variable is a major sticking point among the GOP and wing-nuts like the tea-baggers. It has to be taken on!

The fact is, there are many, many, many people that believe that the US should round up every illegal person in the US and ship back to their country of origin. They have no problem with spending the billions that would involve. They won't even talk about any other portion of immigration reform without this contingency! Crazy as it is! I'm not even talking about the crazzies here- there are countless middle of the road people that sit on the side of those people are here illegally, period./COLOR]


My own take on dealing with this in order to see immigration reform is for studies of just how the Latino populations that received amnesty during Reagan's administration have contributed to the the US. They began a life with not fearing authorities, thus stopped hiding and put $ in banks, got leases for homes, or even bought a home as their jobs were secure. They started businesses that contribute to the tax base, etc. They pay taxes, go to PTA meetings and take care of their family. Their children became educated and have been able to enter the professions. Now their children are doing the sam. Many did not have the need to engage in any illegal activity to survive. Crime decreased within this population. We have the single most forceful data in front of us to shut down those that want illegals deported right in front of us and we are not using it. And this goes to a major sticking point blocking reform.

"Day Without Latinos in America" - ECONOMIC BOYCOTT
Location:The WHOLE United States of America
Time:12:30AM Thursday, July 8th

Arizona to Spend $250K on PR to Combat Negative Immigration Image
 

With the state of Arizona in the brink of financial meltdown and a separatist image, the ignorant, bigot successor Arizona governor allocating $250K to combat negative state image!! The damage of this beautiful state has been done and no PR Campaign will change neither sugar coat the racist agenda of the white, angry, hateful GOP!!

maybe if the raised the fine for beheadings?

I know my mother and I did a few, here lemme show ya..


:|

the last beheading i was invited to was saddam hussein. oh. wait.
white men beheaded him.
my bad.

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDlN7VLmXQ"]YouTube- Brewer to Obama: Warning Signs Are Not Enough[/nomedia]

Brewer is so nuts!!!

Justice Department To File Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality Of Arizona Immigration Law

BOB CHRISTIE | 07/ 6/10 12:52 PM | AP


PHOENIX — The U.S. Justice Department is filing a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Arizona's new law targeting illegal immigrants, setting the stage for a clash between the federal government and state over the nation's toughest immigration crackdown.

The planned lawsuit was confirmed to The Associated Press by a Justice Department official with knowledge of the plans. The official didn't want to be identified before a public announcement planned for later Tuesday by Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano, a former Arizona governor.

The lawsuit will argue that Arizona's law requiring state and local police to question and possibly arrest illegal immigrants during the enforcement of other laws such as traffic stops usurps federal authority.

The government will likely seek an injunction to delay the July 29 implementation of the law until the case is resolved.

The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, although the punishment and enforcement tactics of the Arizona are much more severe.

Tuesday's action has been expected for weeks. President Barack Obama has called the state law misguided. Supporters say it is a reasonable reaction to federal inaction on immigration.

Prior to seeing the lawsuit or receiving any official notification, Gov. Jan Brewer's spokesman called the reported decision to sue "a terribly bad decision."

"Arizona obviously has a terrible border security crisis that needs to be addressed, so Gov. Brewer has repeatedly said she would have preferred the resources and attention of the federal government would be focused on that crisis rather than this," spokesman Paul Senseman said.

Three of the five Democrats in Arizona's congressional delegation, who are facing tough re-election battles, had also urged Obama not to try to block the law from going into effect.

"This lawsuit is a sideshow, distracting us from the real task at hand," Democratic Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick said in a statement Tuesday. "A court battle between the federal government and Arizona will not move us closer to securing the border or fixing America's broken immigration system."

The law requires officers, while enforcing other laws, to question a person's immigration status if there's a reasonable suspicion that they are in the country illegally.

Arizona passed the law after years of frustration over problems associated with illegal immigration, including drug trafficking and violent kidnappings. The state is the biggest gateway into the U.S. for illegal immigrants, and is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

Obama addressed the Arizona law in a speech on immigration reform last week. He touched on one of the major concerns of federal officials, that other states were poised to follow Arizona by crafting their own immigration enforcement laws.

"As other states and localities go their own ways, we face the prospect that different rules for immigration will apply in different parts of the country," Obama said. "A patchwork of local immigration rules where we all know one clear national standard is needed."

The law makes it a state crime for legal immigrants to not carry their immigration documents and bans day laborers and people who seek their services from blocking traffic on streets.

The law also prohibits government agencies from having policies that restrict the enforcement of federal immigration law and lets Arizonans file lawsuits against agencies that hinder immigration enforcement.

Arizona State University constitutional law professor Paul Bender said the federal government's involvement throws a lot of weight behind the argument that federal law pre-empts Arizona's measure.

"It's important to have the federal government's view of whether state law is inconsistent with federal law, and they're the best people to say that," Bender said.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unprecedented and unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.

"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.

This section is interesting since crime in Arizona is at it's lowest and the amount of deportation of "illegal immigrants" is at it's highest. What ever happened to non-partisan reporting?

It's because of their "right mind" that they don't see it. :|

*GASP* Someone got it! http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-down-arizona/

I do like Politifact as they check everyone, regardless of party and will slam those who don't get it.

Boycott news....
 

APNewsBreak: NM hosting border meeting AZ canceled

This is to be expected, it will be a while before a ruling is made :|

Sucks huh?

I really really dislike Brewer.

What about all those wacka nuts who are donating money to defend the law...

Scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the other States that joined them? I swear, the more I read these things the less I miss the States.