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iamkeri1 06-24-2011 02:47 PM

In 1967, when I was a sophomore in college, the State of Virginia's anti-miscegenation statute was overturned by the US Supreme Court in Virginia v Loving http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia

This case overturned centuries US law and custom forbidding white people from marrying people of another race or mix of races. Though many states had already overturned this practice, this Federal decision brought an end to this practise throughout the entire USA.

In February 1961, when President Obama's white mother married his Kenyan father, there were many states in which this union would not only have been illegal, but criminal. (remember when homosexuality was illegal?)

State by State solutions did not work for inter-racial couples There will always be some states who will hold to a ----ist law because it supports local prejudice or perhaps strong business interests.

This is where I get angry with the president. He has lived through this shit. He has faced discrimination. He has seen the laws change in his favor and has accomplished much as a result of these legal changes. It has been well established over decades that civil rights are just that, rights. They are not subject to legislation or a vote of the people.
Why is be falling back on that old !@#$% of State by State solution? It didn't work for poc. It didn't work for women. It isn't going to work for queer folk. Also it is angry-fying that he has backtracked on his position since he ran for office.

A logical outgrowth of the opinion he currently holds would be to promote a policy that has been under discussion for some time.

1) ALL joinings of couples/groups; homo, hetero, inter-species, whatever, should take place in a legal setting like a courthouse or justice of the peace. We should pick a name for them ... union, committment ceremony, hand-fasting, etc. A contract should be drawn up stating the terms of the joining which will form the legal basis for the couples relationship. All legal rights should accrue from THIS contract.
2) "Marriage" should be the province of religious groups. They can marry or not marry whom they wish. If people wish to continue to fight with their churches to be able to marry, that would be fine. Meanwhile they will have legal rights.

And yah, it sucks that there is no other choice for voting purposes. What we have now is a choice between lukewarm, packpeddaling, support, and the utter outrage of the current republican party.
Smooches,
Keri

Julie 06-24-2011 07:45 PM

http://www.livestream.com/nysenate

They are voting now on marriage in New York.

They have the 32nd vote they need - It might just pass.

Corkey 06-24-2011 07:54 PM

IT PASSED :|

LaDivina 06-24-2011 07:59 PM

Not yet. That was just the "religious exemption" part. Once this fool Diaz finishes they'll get to the real vote.

always2late 06-24-2011 08:02 PM

It passed!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_884427.html

Corkey 06-24-2011 08:04 PM

OH it passed now they are explaining their vote to those whom voted for them.

LaDivina 06-24-2011 08:05 PM

They're explaining how they WILL vote. HuffPo published that a leeeeetle too soon. :)

always2late 06-24-2011 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaDivina (Post 365066)
They're explaining how they WILL vote. HuffPo published that a leeeeetle too soon. :)

Actually, I was watching it live and I they are explaining why they voted for it. So I think its safe to say it passed. WOW NY Pride this weekend is gonna be off the wall! LOL

Ghost Huntin' Daddy 06-24-2011 08:14 PM

Always is right...it has passed and each senator is explaining why they voted the way they did. I was also watching on the live state channel. Happy Pride!!!!! :hangloose:

UofMfan 06-24-2011 08:26 PM

I am watching the live feed.

Reading the NYT. This was updated 5 minutes ago.

Reading HuffPo.

And several feeds om my FB and none have said it PASSED.

I am happy to say that it looks like it will pass, but until a reliable source, any of the aforementioned, posts a headline saying it passed, I will wait to celebrate or tell others that it has.

LaDivina 06-24-2011 08:30 PM

AYES 33, NAYS 29! WAY TO GO, NEW YORK!!!

UofMfan 06-24-2011 08:31 PM

AYES 33 - NAYS 29!



Now it is official!

always2late 06-24-2011 08:33 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_884427.html

I don't know why its not showing up on all the feeds...but from what I saw and read it passed 33 to 29

Scorp 06-24-2011 08:35 PM

YAYYYYYYYYYY!!!! CONGRATULATIONS NEW YORK!!!!

CherylNYC 06-24-2011 08:39 PM

Governor Coumo plans to sign this bill on a desk placed in the middle of 5th Ave. at the beginning of the route and immediately prior to the start of the NYC Pride Parade. This year we, (the Sirens Women's Motorcycle Club), will be leading the Parade for the 25th time, which means that we'll have a front row seat for the signing. Wahoo!

If you had told me 25 years ago that this would happen in my lifetime I would have laughed at you.

Julie 06-24-2011 08:39 PM

Congratulations to ALL OF US!
And to all the people who can now legally get married in their home state.

WOW

Oiler41 06-24-2011 08:41 PM

Congratulations New York!

Glynn

Toughy 06-24-2011 09:05 PM

It will be interesting to see what happens to those Republicans who voted for this come re-election time.

Julie 06-24-2011 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 365099)
It will be interesting to see what happens to those Republicans who voted for this come re-election time.

My Senator - Senator Saland was NO even earlier today. He voted YES and I have to say this -- I am so proud of him. His speech was emotional and beautiful.

He will get my vote.

He stood up for what is right.

citybutch 06-24-2011 09:10 PM


Cuz it was posted on facebook!

Heart 06-24-2011 09:49 PM

Accepting proposals. :bouquet:

Ms. Meander 06-24-2011 09:52 PM

Woo-Hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sparkle 06-24-2011 10:07 PM

for the first time, in a very long time, i am proud to be from New York.


I'm overjoyed with the courage and ACTION Gov. Cuomo has lead and incited...

And I am both surprised and proud of the Republicans who have stood up for equality. May your actions and words lead this (long overdue) tide of change.

And may this be one more blow to DOMA; may this open the floodgates for federally recognised basic human right and federally granted equal rights under the law.

Softly 06-24-2011 10:10 PM

I am accepting proposals! :D

jk :)

Yay NY!!!!

iamkeri1 06-24-2011 10:11 PM

I am so happy about this!!!!!!!
Smooches,
Keri

femmennoir 06-24-2011 10:12 PM

French and proud to live in New York!
 
The weekend of Dyke March and Pride! I am marching tomorrow, and I can't wait to feel the atmosphere! Let's party!!!!!

Elle*

Novelafemme 06-24-2011 10:13 PM

So flipping excited for my home state!!! YAY NEW YORK!!!!!

Mister Bent 06-24-2011 10:26 PM

I'm not a marriage proponent in general, but what does matter to me is equal protection under the law and the right to do dumb shit just like anyone else. End the marginalization.


MsTinkerbelly 06-24-2011 10:54 PM

Wonderful news!! My iPod said Cuomo signed the legislation tonight. Was that right?

Angelika 06-24-2011 11:00 PM

Congratulations NY!

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS....gay.marriage/

CherylNYC 06-24-2011 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MsTinkerbelly (Post 365186)
Wonderful news!! My iPod said Cuomo signed the legislation tonight. Was that right?

I just read the same thing, but as far as I know the Senate and Assembly bills aren't reconciled. I'll keep you posted about whether the signing ceremony we were expecting on Sunday will still be happening.

Cyclopea 06-24-2011 11:26 PM

:)
 

Corkey 06-24-2011 11:31 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110625/...ay_marriage_ny


Signed.

Diva 06-25-2011 12:02 AM


CherylNYC 06-25-2011 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CherylNYC (Post 365207)
I just read the same thing, but as far as I know the Senate and Assembly bills aren't reconciled. I'll keep you posted about whether the signing ceremony we were expecting on Sunday will still be happening.

Many apologies for the misinformation. Things move quickly in the land of the politicos. The information I got in the middle of the week about the signing ceremony on 5th Ave. was outdated by last night. I appreciate that the Governor didn't want us to wait one more day, but I was really excited about being present for the moment.

MsTinkerbelly 06-25-2011 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CherylNYC (Post 365423)
Many apologies for the misinformation. Things move quickly in the land of the politicos. The information I got in the middle of the week about the signing ceremony on 5th Ave. was outdated by last night. I appreciate that the Governor didn't want us to wait one more day, but I was really excited about being present for the moment.

I was happy for you all, but disappointed for you as well. It would have been great to be present for that historic moment.

Happy Pride day!

UofMfan 06-25-2011 04:33 PM

Our Next Marriage Equality Fight: Repealing DOMA

Well said Senator Gillibrand!

Toughy 06-25-2011 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 365629)

In Senator Gillibrand's article she says DADT has been repealed. It has NOT. The White House and the Pentagon must certify the military is ready to repeal DADT. They have only begun training and still have months to go. It is my understanding you can still be discharged under DADT>

UofMfan 06-25-2011 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 365658)
In Senator Gillibrand's article she says DADT has been repealed. It has NOT. The White House and the Pentagon must certify the military is ready to repeal DADT. They have only begun training and still have months to go. It is my understanding you can still be discharged under DADT>

Unless my English comprehension is failing me, and it can happen I am not a native North American, in the context of the article she does not say it has been repealed, but rather infers that Congress did the work with DADT (and they did since as you stated it needs certification by the White House and the Pentagon) and it should do the same work with DOMA. I think she is speaking about Congress, being that she is a Senator.

Of course that is my opinion based on reading the article.

AtLast 06-25-2011 06:50 PM

Congrats to New York!

More and more I am considering moving to one of the states in the US that represents full citizenship. As I age, and even though I doubt I will ever legally marry, I find that it is getting more and more difficult to accept second class citizenship in my own country and state. Hopefully, here in CA, the appeals decision will be upheld on Prop 8 and same-sex marraige becomes legal once and for all (there is a pun within a pun in there)!

I don't want to die living somewhere that does recognize me a a full citizen. I really don't. I am so damn tired of this.


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