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Words 05-03-2011 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Heart (Post 331830)
Here's the one that first popped into my head: http://www.batshalom.org/about.php

Heart

You know Heart, I was loathe to mention anything about the Palestinian/Israei conflict because I know a little about your history whilst you know a fair bit about mine and I didn't want to come across as being provocative/inconsiderate/whatever. That, it appears, was very stupid of me and I apologize for not giving you more credit.

I am so glad that YOU mentioned Batshalom. Thank you.

Words

weatherboi 05-03-2011 04:55 AM

This rings so true in my heart and head that i had to borrow it and post here!!!
 
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Osama bin Laden is dead. One Buddhist’s response.



“In the Shambhala warrior tradition, we say you should only have to kill an enemy once every thousand years.” –Chogyam Trungpa

So, Osama bin Laden is dead. We killed him. There really was no choice. We were clearly in an “us or them” situation and if we didn’t kill him, he was going to continue to do everything in his power to kill us.

As Buddhists, we are supposed to abhor all killing, but what do you do when someone is trying to kill you? Obviously great theologians have pondered this question for millennia and I’m not going to try to pile on with my point of view, which would be totally useless.

Instead, I’ll pose this question: How do you kill your enemy in a way that puts a stop to violence rather than escalates it?

Strangely, I keep coming back to the same rather ordinary conclusion: the answer is in our ability to face our emotions. When we know how to relate to our anger, hatred, despair, and frustration fully and properly, they self-liberate. When we don’t, when we can’t tolerate them and therefore act them out, we create enormous sorrow and confusion.

Look at your own reaction this morning.

Was there even a hint of vengefulness or gladness at Osama bin Laden’s death? If so, that is a real problem. Whatever suffering he may have experienced cannot reverse even one moment of the suffering he caused. If you believe his death is a form of compensation, you are deluded.

There has been an outpouring of misdirected jubilation, as if a contest had been won. Nothing has been won. Unlike winning a sporting event, this doesn’t mean that our team has triumphed. Far from it. There is only one team and it is us.

One of us is gone, one apparently horrific, terrible, vicious one of us…is gone. I don’t feel regret for him or about this. I’m regretful for the rest of us who are now left thinking that this is a cause for*celebration. It is not. *It is a cause for sorrow at our continued inability to realize that there is no such thing as us and them; that whatever we do to cause harm to one will harm us all.

When we hate, we cause hate. When we think we have won by vanquishing our enemy, we have lost. In killing Osama bin Laden, “they” lose because one of their leaders is gone. But we lose too, because we have deepened the causes and conditions that lead to more hatred and its consequences. This is not over.

Then, what to do? I don’t really know, but for me, rather than cheering on this day, I’m going to rededicate myself to the idea of brotherhood towards all, even those that want me dead—and not because I’m some kind of really good person. I’m not. Because I know it’s the only way to stay alive—in the only kind of world I want to inhabit.

Perhaps the way to kill your enemy as a way of putting a stop to violence rather than escalating is to shift our view of “enemy” altogether. Our enemy is not one person or country or belief system. It is our unwillingness to feel the sorrow of others—who are none other than us.

So take aim at this enemy completely and precisely. Feel your sadness for us and them so fully and completely that all boundaries are dissolved and we are left standing face to face, human to human, each feeling the other’s rage and despair as our own, one world to care for.

The_Lady_Snow 05-03-2011 06:50 AM

Killing One Monster, Unleashing Another: Reflections on Revenge and Revelry


Tim Wise

May 2, 2011, 8:15 pm

There is a particularly trenchant scene in the documentary film, Robert Blecker Wants Me Dead, in which Blecker - who teaches at New York University School of Law and is the nation's most prominent pro-death penalty scholar - travels to Tennessee's Riverbend Prison for the execution of convicted murderer, Daryl Holton. Blecker is adamant that Holton, who murdered his own children, deserves to die for his crime. Yet, when he gets to the prison on the evening of Holton's electrocution, Blecker is disturbed not only by the anti-death penalty forces whom he views as dangerously naive, but also by those who have come to literally cheer the state-sponsored killing. He agrees with their ultimate position, but can't understand why they feel the need to celebrate death, to party as a life is taken. The event is somber, he tries to tell them. Human life is precious, he insists; so precious, in Blecker's mind, that occasionally we must take the lives of killers so as to reinforce that respect for human life. But there is no reason to revel in the death of another, he tries to explain. While I disagree with Blecker on the matter of the death penalty, I felt sympathy for him in that moment, trying to thread the needle between advocacy of killing - any killing - and the retention of the nuance that allows the supporter of such a thing to still preach about the sanctity of life. It was a nice attempt, and heartfelt.
Of course, his pleas for solemnity fall on deaf ears. His ideological compatriots cannot comprehend him. They even misunderstand his position on the ultimate issue, presuming at first that his unwillingness to cheer the death of one as evil as Holton means he must oppose the death penalty, and that he doesn't care about the children Holton killed. Ultimately, Blecker walks away, clearly shaken, not in his support for capital punishment, but by the way in which others on his own side seem to literally glorify death, even need it.
I was reminded of this scene today, while watching coverage of the celebrations around the country (but especially in Washington D.C. and Manhattan), which began last night when it was announced that Osama bin Laden was dead. In front of the White House were thousands of affluent and overprivileged (and mostly white) college students from George Washington University (among the nation's most expensive schools), partying like it was spring break. Never needing an excuse to binge drink, the GW and Georgetown co-eds responded to the news of bin Laden's death as though their team had just won the Final Four. That none of them would have had the guts to actually go and fight the war that they seem to support so vociferously - after all, a stint in the military might disrupt their plans to work on Wall Street, or to become high-powered lawyers, or just get in the way of their spring formal - matters not, one supposes. They have other people to do the hard work for them. They always have.
In New York, the throngs assembled may have been more economically diverse, but the revelry was similar. Lots of flags, chants of "U.S.A., U.S.A.," and an overall "rah-rah" attitude akin to that which one might experience at a BCS Bowl game, and once again, mostly led by guys who would never, themselves, have gone to war, to get bin Laden or anyone else.
You have to wonder - or actually, you don't because the answer is so distressingly obvious - would these throngs pour into the streets to celebrate in this fashion if it were announced that a cure for cancer had been discovered, or for AIDS? Would thousands of people be jumping up and down belting out patriotic chants if the president were to announce that our country's scientists had found a new, affordable method for wiping out all childhood disease, malnutrition or malaria in poor countries around the world? Though these maladies kill far more than Osama bin Laden ever dreamt of slaughtering, and although any of these developments would be a source of intense pride for millions, there is almost no chance that they would be met with drunken revelry. Partying is what we do when we kill people, when we beat someone, when we grind them to dust. It is not what we do when we save lives or end suffering. Saving lives or doing humanitarianism is like making love, while killing people is tantamount to a good, hard, and largely one-sided fuck; and unfortunately we know which of these two things men, in particular, are more apt to prefer.
Don't get me wrong: I am not a pacifist. I know there are times when violence may be necessary, either in self-defense, vicarious defense of others, or to prevent greater violence. If you were to break into my house and attempt to harm my family, let there be no misunderstanding: you would die, and I would kill you, without so much as a moment's hesitation. But I would not, upon having taken your life (however justified), proceed to pop a cold one, invite friends over and dance around your bloody body. I would not be happy about what I had done. Taking a life, even when you have no choice, is no cause for joy. It is a grave and serious event; and it is utterly unnatural, such that militaries the world over have to dehumanize their enemies and work furiously to break down their soldiers' natural human tendencies to not kill. The fact that violence may be necessary in certain cases, and even in the case of stopping bin Laden, cannot, in and of itself justify raucous celebrations of his death at the hands of the United States.
So yes, we can argue that bin Laden deserved to die. But that's the easy part. Beyond what one deserves, whether they be terrorists or just street criminals, there is the matter of what society needs. And it may be that what a healthy society needs is less bombastic rhetoric, less celebratory embrace of violence, and less jingoistic nationalism, even if that means that we have to respond to the news of bin Laden's death with a more muted tone, perhaps being thankful in private, or even drinking a toast with friends in our own homes, but not turning the matter into public spectacle, the likes of which cheapens matters of life and death to little more than a contest whose results can be tallied on a scoreboard.
It may prove cathartic that one the likes of bin Laden is dead. His death may provide an opportunity for a much-needed exhaling; but that doesn't render it the proper subject of a pep rally. And given the larger need to challenge the mentality of disposability that is at the root of all murderous violence, it may be that in such moments we would be far better off to solemnly commemorate the death of the monster than to cheer it openly, when the latter is so likely to inflame passions on the part of those whose allegiance to the monster remained unsullied right to the end.
Ultimately, the mentality of human disposability that animates war, terrorism, gang violence and all forms of homicidal street crime, is a dangerous one to indulge, and certainly to indulge giddily. Such a mindset feeds upon itself, perpetuates itself without end, and serves to ratify the same in others. Surely we should strive to do better, even when, for various reasons, we can't manage it, and are required to take life for one reason or another. Most soldiers, after all, are not happy or self-satisfied about the things they've done in war. For many, if not most, killing even when you have no choice, is life-changing. It scars. It comes back in the middle of the night, haunting the soldier's dreams for years, and sometimes forever. We do not honor them or their sacrifices by treating the mortal decisions they so often have to make as if they were no more gut-wrenching than those made during the playing of a video game.
Perhaps the only thing more disturbing than the celebrations unleashed in the wake of bin Laden's demise was the cynical way in which the president suggested that his killing proved "America can do whatever we set our mind to." If this is, indeed, the lesson of bin Laden's death, then this only suggests we clearly don't want to diminish, let alone end, child poverty, excess mortality rates in communities of color, rape and sexual assault of women (including the many thousands who have been victimized in the U.S. military), or food insecurity for millions of families; because we aren't addressing any of those things with nearly the aplomb as that put to warfare and the killing of our adversaries.
We are, if the president is serious here, a nation that has narrowly constricted its marketable talents to the deployment of violence. We can't manufacture much of anything, but we can kill you. We can't fix our schools, or build adequate levees to protect a city like New Orleans from floodwaters. But we can kill you. We can't reduce infant mortality to anywhere near the level of other industrialized nations with which we like to compare ourselves. But we can kill you. We can't break the power of Wall Street bankers, or jail any of those bankers and money managers who helped orchestrate the global financial collapse. But we can kill you. We can't protect LGBT youth from bullying in schools, or ensure equal opportunity for all in the labor market, regardless of race, gender, sexuality or any other factor. But we can kill you. Booyah, bitches.
But somewhere, I suspect, there is a young child - maybe the age of one of my own - who is sitting in front of a television tonight in Karachi, or Riyadh. And he's watching footage of some fraternity boy, American flag wrapped around his back, cheering the death of one who this child believes, for whatever fucked up reason, is a hero, and now, a martyr.
And I know that this child will likely do what all such children do; namely, forget almost nothing, remember almost everything, and plan for the day when he will make you remember it too, and when you will know his name. And if (or when) that day comes, the question will be, was your party worth it?




Heart 05-03-2011 07:19 AM

Thank you so much everyone for the thoughtful intriguing responses!

Words -- I think you and I just created a tiny little shining sliver of peace.

Heart

Greyson 05-03-2011 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Heart (Post 331830)
What is something, one thing, which you see now as contributing to global peace and safety? Either something you imagine, a change, direction you think is important, or something you can link to...?

Here's the one that first popped into my head: http://www.batshalom.org/about.php

Heart



Sharing the resources I have control over with others. Keeping my thoughts and opinions to myself at times. Listening with open ears and heart.

Heart 05-03-2011 02:22 PM

As anyone with access to social media knows by now the quote I posted above was mis-attributed to MLK. My apologies for continuing the mis-attribution here.

Heart

Apocalipstic 05-03-2011 03:10 PM

I must admit to being glad I am not traveling internationally this week.

What can we do? Try to understand and love each other a little more each day. Peace starts at home.

AtLast 05-03-2011 05:06 PM

Global peace- global being operative to me. How can I recognize any kind of peace is not felt by the world? And to me, that is at the root of why we just don’t seem to get there.

Parenting to me is such a vital part of building global peace and safety. Modeling peaceful and respectful human interaction is critical. Just feels like this is one of the most important pieces of how we as individuals can have some influence over how the world fares with finding peace for all people.

I think that ridding ourselves of ideas such as “just peace” is a good idea. There is no way that one person or culture of people has the corner on defining justice in any form for world peace. And attempting to do so only leads to more conflict.

I do not feel the world is a very safe place- no matter the geography. I am one that does think about how very vulnerable we can be when participating in public gatherings. As Pride events draw near, I realize that every year since attending the first over 30 years ago in SF, I have always glanced to roof tops and wondered about bullets flying. I might feel this more this year. I think about this when I visit places that could be symbolic targets for terrorist activity (worldwide). It has become a part of my life. There are many more people in the world that have grown up with this reality in the world than me. Have had first hand experience with this horror.

Sometimes, I just think that if we could simply unravel our divisions and honestly compromise, we would get somewhere with building a peaceful nation and world. Hell, this would be helpful within our own queer community!

Hearing what many of you are offering is helping me build think about my own actions and contributions. I also know that as a retired person, I have more time for involvement in peace organizations that might make a difference. This really is a “perk” in retirement. It is especially helpful during elections- grass roots organizing does make a difference, but having the time to devote to this is needed. I see so many struggling in the world recession really. So, my personal means to contribute to the variable that could influence peace is related to one of life’s “passages.”

Martina 05-04-2011 08:39 PM

i saw this lovely movie on Netflix streaming. It's called The Way We Get By, and it's about some older people who greet troops returning from overseas. They greet them at the Bangor, Maine Airport and thank them for their service. They provide handshacks, hugs, cookies, and cellphones for them to call home. i think i also saw some jackets that i think they lent to soldiers who wanted to go outside in cold weather. It was more about the three greeters than the troops. ANd it is kind of scary about old age. But it was lovely. i think they have greeted over a million troops. i can't believe we have so many coming and going.

i also just saw a film about some women who started a beauty school in Kabul. It was kind of sweet. i read though that the school was taken over by one of the American teachers who married a local. Anyway, they ran it into the ground. But it was a lovely idea. Some of it made me cringe -- a little ugly or stupid American stuff. An Afghani woman complains about her aggressive husband, being overworked at home, etc. -- fairly dire conditions. And the woo woo instructor from America suggests she meditate before she enters the house. i am a Buddhist, but .. . .

Anyway. i thought of this thread because these were both efforts that fairly ordinary people have made to make a difference -- related to this conflict.

Apocalipstic 05-06-2011 02:55 PM

I do have to say that I don't really find things any more scary than I did in the 70's.

More scary actually.

But I get more brave as I age.

AtLast 05-06-2011 06:38 PM

Been thinking a lot about the role social networking via the internet can have a role in the possibility of global peace. So often, the real feelings of "just people" are hidden behind media, especially during elections! Tyhere have been more than a few times that I have been stunned at what is attributed to me as an individual in the US!


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