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The_Lady_Snow 05-21-2011 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 343367)
Could you define that term for me in the confines of this topic (I want to make sure that i understand what you are asking?) ?



Gender overlap.

Both male and female.

Julie 05-21-2011 04:51 PM

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

The_Lady_Snow 05-21-2011 05:06 PM

Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out:):rrose:

DapperButch 05-21-2011 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie (Post 343378)
Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

I had to delete those because only so many tags are allowed. Since we tend to see more transsexed men at this site versus transsexed women, I figured it would be unlikely those tabs would be looked for.

I do believe I am the FIRST person to get their tags critiqued here!

:dance1:

DapperButch 05-21-2011 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 343381)
Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out:):rrose:

Not mad, but thank you.

I have no problem when questions come from a genuine place of a desire for understanding. If that is where you were coming from, then it is all good.

And certainly I have no interest in you bowing out.

DapperButch 05-21-2011 05:13 PM

Getting offline.

If others would like to use this thread they are more than welcome.

Thanks.

Quintease 05-21-2011 06:06 PM

I like bio male/female as in biologically born, with no reference to the now.

I don't like cisgendered at all and I have no discernible reason for that.

I also use XX and XY, but written rather than spoken.

Linus 05-21-2011 06:53 PM

I'm just a transmale on hormones. I do not claim any of the other terms as I do not find they describe me well enough.

noneoftheabove 05-21-2011 06:53 PM

I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

Linus 05-21-2011 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Julie (Post 343378)
Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 343382)
I had to delete those because only so many tags are allowed. Since we tend to see more transsexed men at this site versus transsexed women, I figured it would be unlikely those tabs would be looked for.

I do believe I am the FIRST person to get their tags critiqued here!

:dance1:

Technical note as well: tags (found at the bottom of the thread) are also generated based on the topic as found in the first post, IIRC.

BullDog 05-21-2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noneoftheabove (Post 343420)
I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

It doesn't seem to me like anyone here would fit that definition of- an individual's gender identity matching the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex. How many people's gender here actually matches with what society expects of us?

And yes I agree on the woman part. The cost of conformity is high for women (as is non-conformity).

Greyson 05-21-2011 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 343365)
Good point about the transgendered butch who uses hormones. I myself have considered them, but do not identify as transsexed.

I am using the term transsexed b/c I was under the impression that the trans community was beginning to prefer that term over transSEXUAL.

I don't know why but I am not comfortable referring to myself as a transsexual. I prefer Trans, Transmasculine Butch and/or Transman.

I find that when I use the term cisgender or cissex, outside of people from the B-F online communities, the listening audience do not know what I am talking about. When I use the term "Biomale," they have a look of instant understanding come across their face.

Venus007 05-21-2011 07:10 PM

None of the above
 
I am a femme and I use the term woman if they present as a woman and man if they present as a man unless they tell me they prefer some other pronoun and I use what they ask me to.

DapperButch 05-21-2011 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noneoftheabove (Post 343420)
I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullDog (Post 343423)
It doesn't seem to me like anyone here would fit that definition of- an individual's gender identity matching the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex. How many people's gender here actually matches with what society expects of us?

And yes I agree on the woman part. The cost of conformity is high for women (as is non-conformity).

I agree and this is also the reason why I used the term cissexed in my opening statement and the poll.

I put cisgendered in the tags because that term is often used in place of cissexed.

T D 05-21-2011 07:32 PM

I really don't get it, but.....
 

I consider myself a Transman who has both male and female characteristics (I was raised female afterall). I consider my gender and sexuality to be Transman.

Going off to hang out with Snow now.


DapperButch 05-21-2011 07:44 PM

Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question.

I said:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females").

It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

Does that help?

Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post?

EnderD_503 05-21-2011 07:46 PM

I like XX female/XY male best. I use cisgender as well, especially irl where its less awkward than saying "non-trans." If I'm talking about XX females or XY males specifically then I'll typically use those, but if I'm talking about non-trans people in general I find it's easier to just say cis irl.

But on the other hand that presents a problem. Mostly when I'm talking about cis people I'm talking about heteronormative/traditionally heterosexual folks who have no conflict between their reproductive organs/secondary sex features and their internal understanding of their own sex/gender, and I think it can be a whole other kettle of fish if cis is used as a generalization for the rest of the LGB community unless an individual identifies with cis specifically.

I really have come to dislike the terms biofemale and biomale. Biology encompasses more than reproductive organs, and given some of the hypotheses about the development of a fetus as "transsexed" in the womb, I'm not sure the words biomale and biofemale cover that.

Linus 05-21-2011 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 343450)
Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question.

I said:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females").

It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

Does that help?

Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post?

Done and adjusted. :)

DapperButch 05-21-2011 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus (Post 343455)
Done and adjusted. :)

Thank you so much, Linus.


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