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Okiebug61 10-12-2011 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 435170)
This isn't about Jackson, yes he did some crappy stuff, the man raped and pillaged and was well thought of, until he wasn't. The government didn't give him his own day for genocide unlike the killer from Spain. Our government to this day will not recognize that it is propagating lies about how this country was "found". It was "found" roughly 30-40 thousand years ago, but the white man didn't know of it so you know history wasn't history because europeans were clueless.

No they didn't give him a day they put him on our currency for all to see. I really do not see the difference over all, both are being celebrated which is not cool with me.

Corkey 10-12-2011 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Okiebug61 (Post 436294)
No they didn't give him a day they put him on our currency for all to see. I really do not see the difference over all, both are being celebrated which is not cool with me.

Using currency isn't the same as celebrating. Good grief, one is a must no matter the other is a friggen choice.

Okiebug61 10-12-2011 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 436296)
Using currency isn't the same as celebrating. Good grief, one is a must no matter the other is a friggen choice.

What is a must? My bank was open on Columbus Day, our schools were open on Columbus day. I still can't get a $20.00 bill without Jackson's face on it. I didn't celebrate and I make a choice not to carry $20.00 bills.

If you are this upset about Columbus Day being a recognized federal holiday start a petition, I'll be glad to sign it.

Corkey 10-12-2011 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Okiebug61 (Post 436301)
What is a must? My bank was open on Columbus Day, our schools were open on Columbus day. I still can't get a $20.00 bill without Jackson's face on it. I didn't celebrate and I make a choice not to carry $20.00 bills.

If you are this upset about Columbus Day being a recognized federal holiday start a petition, I'll be glad to sign it.

If you want to talk about Jackson, start a thread about it and please stop hijacking this one.

Okiebug61 10-12-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 436303)
If you want to talk about Jackson, start a thread about it and please stop hijacking this one.

Not a problem Corkey!

Corkey 10-12-2011 03:22 PM

Again this thread is to celebrate Indigenous People. Thoughts on this subject are more than welcome.

Okiebug61 10-12-2011 03:41 PM

Here you go!

http://newsfornatives.com/blog/national-native-holiday/

Corkey 10-12-2011 03:46 PM

First, where did this come from, and secondly it contains racial speech that is at best derogatory and at worst racist.

Okiebug61 10-12-2011 03:46 PM

Letter to my Senator,

Dear Senator Inhofe,

I am writing to ask why we celebrate "Columbus Day" as a Federal Holiday?

There is overwhelming information that provides us a history of violence against the "Native Americans".

I ask you as my representative to please look into this and let me know why my tax dollars are used to provide you and all other Federal employees a payed day off.

Thank You,

Okiebug61 10-12-2011 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 436322)
First, where did this come from, and secondly it contains racial speech that is at best derogatory and at worst racist.

I give up!

Corkey 10-12-2011 03:54 PM

The letter to your senator, wonderful great, did you read the link you posted? The uplifting of one portion of society at the expense of another is not what this is about. It is about recognizing that an atrocity has happened, and that the federal government yearly places the killer from Spain as someone to be admired. He was a criminal, one who perpetrated genocide, not just on Native populations in the western continent but to the Native populations of the Caribbean Islands.

Okiebug61 10-12-2011 04:03 PM

It's very apparent that you don't like me or what I bring to this conversation. So I am going to stop away. Good luck!

Apocalipstic 10-12-2011 04:20 PM

It does not seem like its personal Okie.

The link you posted while asking for the holiday to be changed, does use a lot of racist language. If you would like examples PM me and I can send you some later.

There was a time in my life when I was not aware that many of the terms in that article are racist. Maybe read some of the racism threads on this website and watch some Tim Wise on YouTube and start learning what is acceptable. :)

It is a learning process. :)

SoNotHer 10-12-2011 05:38 PM

A People's History by Howard Zinn
 
One passage from Zinn's great work available online at

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

"In the villages of the Iroquois, land was owned in common and worked in common. Hunting was done together, and the catch was divided among the members of the village. Houses were considered common property and were shared by several families. The concept of private ownership of land and homes was foreign to the Iroquois. A French Jesuit priest who encountered them in the 1650s wrote: 'No poorhouses are needed among them, because they are neither mendicants nor paupers.. . . Their kindness, humanity and courtesy not only makes them liberal with what they have, but causes them to possess hardly anything except in common.

Women were important and respected in Iroquois society. Families were matrilineal. That is, the family line went down through the female members, whose husbands joined the family, while sons who married then joined their wives' families. Each extended family lived in a 'long house.' When a woman wanted a divorce, she set her husband's things outside the door."

Corkey 10-12-2011 05:56 PM

An excellent resource for people to read about the life of The People before the killer from Spain is a book called "1491" subtitled The revelations of the Americas before Columbus.

It is an archeological and sociological treatise on the populations of the Americas.

Ebon 10-12-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SoNotHer (Post 436382)
One passage from Zinn's great work available online at

http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/zinncol1.html

"In the villages of the Iroquois, land was owned in common and worked in common. Hunting was done together, and the catch was divided among the members of the village. Houses were considered common property and were shared by several families. The concept of private ownership of land and homes was foreign to the Iroquois. A French Jesuit priest who encountered them in the 1650s wrote: 'No poorhouses are needed among them, because they are neither mendicants nor paupers.. . . Their kindness, humanity and courtesy not only makes them liberal with what they have, but causes them to possess hardly anything except in common.

Women were important and respected in Iroquois society. Families were matrilineal. That is, the family line went down through the female members, whose husbands joined the family, while sons who married then joined their wives' families. Each extended family lived in a 'long house.' When a woman wanted a divorce, she set her husband's things outside the door."

I know women that sets (throws) her husbands things outside the door now but they don't get to have a divorce. Thanks for the info!

Ebon 10-12-2011 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 436391)
An excellent resource for people to read about the life of The People before the killer from Spain is a book called "1491" subtitled The revelations of the Americas before Columbus.

It is an archeological and sociological treatise on the populations of the Americas.

This is wonderful! I can't wait to read it.

Corkey 10-12-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebon (Post 436437)
This is wonderful! I can't wait to read it.

Charles C Mann is the author.

SoNotHer 10-12-2011 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebon (Post 436436)
I know women that sets (throws) her husbands things outside the door now but they don't get to have a divorce. Thanks for the info!

You know what I've been going through this this year, and you know I am laughing out loud now :-) Yes, the Iroquis understood that a physical gesture was called for in certain times. Hard to mistake the message of all your stuff sitting outside the door!

Corkey 10-12-2011 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SoNotHer (Post 436442)
You know what I've been going through this this year, and you know I am laughing out loud now :-) Yes, the Iroquis understood that a physical gesture was called for in certain times. Hard to mistake the message of all your stuff sitting outside the door!

Nothing says I'm done more than a bear picking through your stuff LOL


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