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QueenofSmirks 09-02-2012 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The JD (Post 645158)
What would you have done if the answer had been no?

I think that's what I'm having trouble wrapping my head around...

I assume most people who do follow this ritual are already certain the answer is going to be "yes", so probably not much real risk there.


Okiebug61 09-02-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun_dee (Post 645134)
Maybe i am not as old fashioned as i like to think, but the thought of someone asking (only) my father to marry me seems pre-historic, to me.

i just could never conform to the whole father walking me down the aisle thing and *giving* me away, as if i am his property.

i know others i am sure embrace this sort of ritual, but for me i find it archaic, especially since the mother of the bride (and groom) is excluded basically from the entire sacrament.

Edited to add, if someone really knew me they would also know i would find it insulting to ask anyone's permission to marry me.

I am 150% behind you on this.

macele 09-02-2012 10:41 AM

i don't want to do anything that looks heterosexual when it comes to a relationship. some things are obviously a must. but asking a father, or mother, ... to marry? i don't think so. i just don't want the marriage thing, ... set up for man and woman, ... husband and wife. they don't want me to have it, ... why the hell should i want it! keep it. if "we" decide to "marry", i don't want heterosexual people there lol.

BullDog 09-02-2012 11:05 AM

Everyone has the right to choose which traditions they will follow and what fits in with their extended family dynamics.

This particular tradition of asking the father (only) for permission isn't something that feels good to me. For me it harkens to a time when women didn't get to make their own choices about who they could marry, and women had to defer to men being head of household and making all the important decisions without the wife/mother having input.

So for me, no, I wouldn't follow this even if I could.

The_Lady_Snow 09-02-2012 11:38 AM

Still curious
 
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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 645121)
So Steph, is Amanda going to request your hand in marriage to your parental units?



Steph!!!!! I see you!!!


What say you?

stephfromMIT 09-02-2012 11:43 AM

I sought her Dad's permission. :confused: (I mentioned this in the OP)

Corkey 09-02-2012 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 645210)
I sought her Dad's permission. :confused: (I mentioned this in the OP)

Snow wants to know if Amanda is going to ask your dad...

stephfromMIT 09-02-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 645212)
Snow wants to know if Amanda is going to ask your dad...

No. See my previous post.

Okiebug61 09-02-2012 11:58 AM

What if her dad had said no?

stephfromMIT 09-02-2012 12:00 PM

Good question Okie! We probably would've married without their economic support.

Ginger 09-02-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog (Post 645202)
Everyone has the right to choose which traditions they will follow and what fits in with their extended family dynamics.

This particular tradition of asking the father (only) for permission isn't something that feels good to me. For me it harkens to a time when women didn't get to make their own choices about who they could marry, and women had to defer to men being head of household and making all the important decisions without the wife/mother having input.

So for me, no, I wouldn't follow this even if I could.


Voice of reason.

Exactly.

Ginger 09-02-2012 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 645219)
Good question Okie! We probably would've married without their economic support.


Do you mean "will marry" without their economic support? I thought the marriage was in the future. Just trying to keep the narrative straight, no pun intended.

Ginger 09-02-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 645219)
Good question Okie! We probably would've married without their economic support.

This is an interesting answer to Okie's question asking if you would have married without your partner's dad's approval.

Ginger 09-02-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Soon (Post 645124)
No lover would ever think to ask anyone's "permission" (not even a word I would use) but mine when it comes to sharing a life together.


I so feel the same way. I think the presence of family at life's major turning points and rituals is a good thing, but I never awaited their approval or permission to make my life choices.

Okiebug61 09-02-2012 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by stephfromMIT (Post 645219)
Good question Okie! We probably would've married without their economic support.

Economic support, ah OK so this is very traditional. The parents of the bride are paying for the wedding. Are you paying for the honeymoon?

spritzerJ 09-02-2012 12:19 PM

I think that IF I was ever going to marry again...
I would not ask Stoney's mom and hy probably wouldn't ask my mom.

marriage is not going to happen... 'cause the whole marriage thing I've tried several ways. And I've managed to stick to 1 contract in my life. That was the donor contract. So I'm thinking I'll end up with a contract like that or something just ours.

However,
I do however think it would be humorous to listen to the moms talk to each other about us formalizing a commitment. Because sometimes when hy and I talk about our mothers they are very alike. And if I had my sense of humor and a suit of armor on it could be really funny.

Words 09-02-2012 12:20 PM

I thought there were going to be two brides, no? I seem to remember Steph said something in another thread about calling each other wife after they're married...Steph, is that correct?

Words

stephfromMIT 09-02-2012 12:20 PM

Scout-You're right, the wedding hasn't happened. What I meant was: the wedding would happen, even without the economic support of my future in-laws.

stephfromMIT 09-02-2012 12:21 PM

Words-You are absolutely right! I will be her wife, and she will be mine.

Words 09-02-2012 12:24 PM

Thanks Steph...just didn't want to fall into the trap of assuming that because you wear men's underwear etc, you consider yourself the groom/husband:)

Words


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