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It was done with women (men playing women, aka drag); it was done with Black people (black face); it's done with differently abled people all the time; and it's now the rage to do it with queers. It's another subtle form of privilege and oppression. It plays off of stereotypes and perpetuates a negative image. It also keeps 'real' queers oppressed, by telling real queers they're not 'good enough' to even play queer. So, now we have hets exploiting and making money off of the queer community even more. Dylan |
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Now if you want to argue that an actor shouldn't be discriminated against BECAUSE he or she is gay, then that's a whole 'nother matter. But this thread is about an established character in one of the most popular shows on U.S. television possibly coming out as a lesbian. I fail to see how that's a bad thing, unless she grows a mullet and starts wearing Birkinstocks and insists that her squad car be only a Subaru or a Volvo. End of mini :floatbee: rant. |
Dylan, I understand what you're saying, but to me, it makes more sense to get the message out (ie, make queers more visibile in positive ways ) -- regardless of with whom.
Do you think Milk would have been as good without someone as dynamic as Penn in that role? I can't think of a queer actor that could have done it that justice. From that clip of Olivia, it looks like she has a bad reaction, and who knows if she will come out. I don't think she will, but Sue is right -- it will make more of a lasting impression on viewers if it's someone you already know rather than a one-show wonder that you don't invest yourself in. I also think regardless of whether Olivia comes out, I think her attitude will be less hostile because her character is not geared that way. One example that sticks out for me was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had two lesbians on it. Willow was a main character from the inception and people went right along with it when she came out and started dating a woman. It meant more than if they had just dropped a dyke in there for a one-two espisode arc. (On a side note: I would have rather seen the Buffy/Faith characters have at it. *grin* But that's just me having the hots for Eliza Dushku (Faith). ) |
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Something that occured to me after I posted: It would be more important in this situation IMO if there were a gay or lesbian writer than actor.
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I agree on both counts. But it was at least progress having two lesbians in prime time that weren't nutso. |
I don't watch Law & Order. The addition of Kathy Griffin will not change my mind - especially since I just cannot stand her. Never liked her, doubt I ever will.
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It's kind of touchy to have a gay/lesbian portray a gay character on primetime...
Ask Ellen... btw.. B.D. Wong portrays a gay Psychiatrist on Law & Order {Dr. Huang}... If I understand his pvt life correctly.. He's openly gay in real-life David Hyde Pierce came out Recently, in support related to Prop 8.. He portrayed Niles Crane on Frasier, a neurotic Hetero psychiatrist constantly the butt of jokes regarding his true sexuality... Neil Patrick Harris JR, portrays a Promiscuous heterosexual Womanizer on "How I met your Mother" Wanda Sykes recently came out, for the same reason as David, she's one of the couples that married before Prop 8 passed... The list can keep growing... But, I dont think that's the point... Tom Hanks portrayed an AIDS-afflicted Lawyer.. Was he belittling the character? Nope..On the contrary.. He created a much more mainstream Awareness... So did Hillary Swank as Brandon Teena And Sean Penn as Harvey Milk Each one recieving a well deserved Acadamy Award...Each giving credit to their Character, and our Struggle for awareness/Equality |
Let's not forget T.D. Knight, a gay actor who portrayed George, a heterosexual doctor on Grey's Anatomy. Although he was completely out in his private life, his sexuality became mainstream news when one of his cooworkers, Issah Washington got into fight with one of the other actors on the set of the show over Washington's use of the "f" word to characterize Knight. Washington was subsequently dropped from the hit show. He didn't help his cause when he repeatedly tried to justify his used of the "f" word, saying that where he grew up it meant "weak" (oh, and here we thought you we being insulting! WTF?). I saw him and his wife doing the "some of our best friends are gay" routine on a couple of interviews.
Yup. We need more mainstream gay and lesbian characters on television and in the movies. Has anyone noticed that the last couple of times that Kathy Bates has played a secondary role in a movie her character has been lesbian - and her orientation played no part at all in the plot. Just like a "normal" person! |
What night is this airing? My memory is pretty much shot now. :blink:
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Jesus, that clip sounds and looks like it was written by the
National Organization for Marriage, the makers of the 'Gathering Storm' ads. People will tune in just to see if Kathy Griffin gets her toaster. |
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It looks to me, like relationship time for ..whatsherface :) Nice ! |
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I want my money back
I read this whole thread hoping to find out what might be at all compelling in this as a topic.
Maybe we could just talk some more about Meredith Baxter Birney. |
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Rocket science, yuk yuk. |
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I'm Going With B, Dylan |
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