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Isadora 09-19-2010 10:49 AM

be yourself
smile and be happy
don't give a shit about what others think about how you are and enjoy your life, among many other things, this is what attracts people.

Sometimes strolling through a thread is like walking the gauntlet of the mean girls.

Isadora

The_Lady_Snow 09-19-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 193982)

this makes me go back to my ? on the 1st page......... what about the non princess girls out here?? where do we stand?? with all the guys here??
have any tips for us non princess girls??


Hi MS!!

I am no princess I assure you. So I stand pretty good, not hard to get someone's attention. It's sometimes as simple as a hello, my name is..



and sometimes it's just about a look and then just wait.

orrrrrrrrrrr sometimes a girl has to do what a girl has to do an just flat out say.

Hi I'm ______ you're cute, I'm cute buy you a cup of coffee?

The worse thing that can happen is they are just not into you.

That's ok though, cause out there someone is.

KimKawashima 09-19-2010 10:51 AM

Really now, no one should be getting offended about anything out here in this realm. We are all posting about our own point of views and answering honestly as we perceive it. Honestly, their are stereotypes of some sort regardless of our individuality. If you can't embrace them and find humor in them and brush them off, perhaps you should crawl under a rock and stop visiting sites where real people have real opinions. I'm a Boi/Butch/Daddie/Master and I look like a Guy and act Masculine. My Femme is a Baby Girl/Femme/Slave. She acts like a Femme, looks like a Femme etc. No one would guess she is a Lesbian. Hence the Names we give ourselves, hence the Stereotypes otherwise their wouldn't be these labels, yes? Smile and be happy and get over it.:readfineprint:

The_Lady_Snow 09-19-2010 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by KimKawashima (Post 193991)
Really now, no one should be getting offended about anything out here in this realm. We are all posting about our own point of views and answering honestly as we perceive it. Honestly, their are stereotypes of some sort regardless of our individuality. If you can't embrace them and find humor in them and brush them off, perhaps you should crawl under a rock and stop visiting sites where real people have real opinions. I'm a Boi/Butch/Daddie/Master and I look like a Guy and act Masculine. My Femme is a Baby Girl/Femme/Slave. She acts like a Femme, looks like a Femme etc. No one would guess she is a Lesbian. Hence the Names we give ourselves, hence the Stereotypes otherwise their wouldn't be these labels, yes? Smile and be happy and get over it.:readfineprint:

*s*

I am ok with calling out stereotypes.

I am not fond of sexism either and ok with calling that out as well.

:)

Mister Bent 09-19-2010 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KimKawashima (Post 193991)
Really now, no one should be getting offended about anything out here in this realm. We are all posting about our own point of views and answering honestly as we perceive it. Honestly, their are stereotypes of some sort regardless of our individuality. If you can't embrace them and find humor in them and brush them off, perhaps you should crawl under a rock and stop visiting sites where real people have real opinions. I'm a Boi/Butch/Daddie/Master and I look like a Guy and act Masculine. My Femme is a Baby Girl/Femme/Slave. She acts like a Femme, looks like a Femme etc. No one would guess she is a Lesbian. Hence the Names we give ourselves, hence the Stereotypes otherwise their wouldn't be these labels, yes? Smile and be happy and get over it.:readfineprint:

The very notion that the people who spoke of their offense need to get a sense of humor is, in itself, hilarious, and also, a little offensive.

It's not about lacking a sense of humor, it's about not wanting to embrace degrading, old fashioned and absurd stereotypes of the people we are not. Accepting stereotypes isn't something anyone should have to sit comfortably with.

Stereotypes and labels are not the same thing. My "label" does not instantly attribute to me a plethora of behaviors or attributes that speak to who I am. If they do, then someone isn't paying attention.

Again, I suggest evolution, it's a remarkable tool.

KimKawashima 09-19-2010 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 193994)
*s*

I am ok with calling out stereotypes.

I am not fond of sexism either and ok with calling that out as well.

:)

That wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Just I have seen too much whining about "...don't use stereotypes, I'm offended..." So I was just nipping it in the butt before too much whining occurred. Whiners are one of my pet peeves. This entire site is full of so many different people and lets be honest, some of us can be lumped together under labels, but yes admittedly some of us can not be, we are exceptions to the rules and categories. I love all my brothers and sisters equally and enjoy all of our craziness and differences. Our lives are complicated enough and we don't need whiners and complainers to drag us down. So I was just making a point....If you can't stand the heat get the F out of the kitchen.

KimKawashima 09-19-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Bent (Post 193997)
The very notion that the people who spoke of their offense need to get a sense of humor is, in itself, hilarious, and also, a little offensive.

It's not about lacking a sense of humor, it's about not wanting to embrace degrading, old fashioned and absurd stereotypes of the people we are not. Accepting stereotypes isn't something anyone should have to sit comfortably with.

Stereotypes and labels are not the same thing. My "label" does not instantly attribute to me a plethora of behaviors or attributes that speak to who I am. If they do, then someone isn't paying attention.

Again, I suggest evolution, it's a remarkable tool.

I suppose you can slap another "label" on a word all you want but the action remains the some. So okay, my evolved word for "stereotype" is "label."

The_Lady_Snow 09-19-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by KimKawashima (Post 194001)
That wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Just I have seen too much whining about "...don't use stereotypes, I'm offended..." So I was just nipping it in the butt before too much whining occurred. Whiners are one of my pet peeves. This entire site is full of so many different people and lets be honest, some of us can be lumped together under labels, but yes admittedly some of us can not be, we are exceptions to the rules and categories. I love all my brothers and sisters equally and enjoy all of our craziness and differences. Our lives are complicated enough and we don't need whiners and complainers to drag us down. So I was just making a point....If you can't stand the heat get the F out of the kitchen.


*s*

Good thing I never have liked the kitchen!!!

I am still ok with calling out stereotypes and pesky lil isms

:)

Thanks for the dialogue

Mister Bent 09-19-2010 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by KimKawashima (Post 194001)
That wasn't directed at anyone in particular. Just I have seen too much whining about "...don't use stereotypes, I'm offended..." So I was just nipping it in the butt before too much whining occurred. Whiners are one of my pet peeves. This entire site is full of so many different people and lets be honest, some of us can be lumped together under labels, but yes admittedly some of us can not be, we are exceptions to the rules and categories. I love all my brothers and sisters equally and enjoy all of our craziness and differences. Our lives are complicated enough and we don't need whiners and complainers to drag us down. So I was just making a point....If you can't stand the heat get the F out of the kitchen.

And you think calling people - other site members - "whiners" is the way to "nip something in the" bud? Interesting approach.

I'm just trying to follow the logic here, and wonder if you see any irony in attacking people who's pet peeve is stereotypes, while claiming the right to air your pet peeve.

I think it's safe to say, it's the "whiners and complainers" who have brought the heat, and we're firmly in the kitchen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KimKawashima
I suppose you can slap another "label" on a word all you want but the action remains the some. So okay, my evolved word for "stereotype" is "label."

It may be your word, but you would be speaking a different language than most people. "Label" and "stereotype" aren't even in the same genus.

Julie 09-19-2010 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Bent (Post 194014)

I think it's safe to say, it's the "whiners and complainers" who have brought the heat, and we're firmly in the kitchen.

Contrary to Femme Stereotypical (love those butches who want to put me in the kitchen)...

LOL Not this Girl ~ No way - No how ~ Am I in the kitchen
I will wear an apron (and that is all) but never in the kitchen... Ahem!
Scary - banish the vision Julie (make it go away).

betenoire 09-19-2010 11:13 AM

Excuse me, but would you people please stop arguing for a few minutes and light my cigarette?

Thanks!

BullDog 09-19-2010 11:14 AM

Welcome to BFP, CausticPrincess.

Ebon 09-19-2010 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 194026)
Excuse me, but would you people please stop arguing for a few minutes and light my cigarette?

Thanks!

:vigil: There you go bete...:) I couldn't find a lighter one.

sweetbutch26 09-19-2010 11:18 AM

again i wasn't directing it at femmes. but yes it did happen. i mistook a straight lady for a femme and got hit with a purse and yea it hurt. not sure how saying something that actually happened is stereotyping O.o

betenoire 09-19-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Organicbutch (Post 194031)
:vigil: There you go bete...:) I couldn't find a lighter one.

Thanks.

Now I feel insensitive for talking about smoking. :(

Guy 09-19-2010 11:21 AM

I was hit with a purse once, felt kinda good actually.

KimKawashima 09-19-2010 11:22 AM

I don't understand your logic and you don't understand mine. Can't it just left at that. And my original point was why start with someone for using a so called stereotype if that is what we choose to do? So me expressing wanting to use them and you telling me it offends you is no different than you telling me I can not tell your offense to my stereotyping is offensive. It is a vicious cycle. So needless to say if you want to have at it. Call me old fashioned, but I have better things to do like fight for our rights as I have since high school and not waste any more of my energy on this

Velvetkitten 09-19-2010 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 193899)
Is work the right place?

Isn't there some other social network?

Caustic P if a cute Butch is sitting in your chair go for it. You are in the proper line of work for it and as Kim said just use a neutral line of questions.

Mister Bent 09-19-2010 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Guy In Florida (Post 194042)
I was hit with a purse once, felt kinda good actually.


I prefer a good slap in the face, but that's a different thread...

KimKawashima 09-19-2010 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvetkitten (Post 194045)
Caustic P if a cute Butch is sitting in your chair go for it. You are in the proper line of work for it and as Kim said just use a neutral line of questions.

Absolutely, Hair Dressers actually have a lot more freedom than some other lines of work depending on the salon. Being in a mall on your breaks or before or after work you have a lot of people around you as well. Good luck in your search! :byebye:

The_Lady_Snow 09-19-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by KimKawashima (Post 194043)
I don't understand your logic and you don't understand mine. Can't it just left at that. And my original point was why start with someone for using a so called stereotype if that is what we choose to do? So me expressing wanting to use them and you telling me it offends you is no different than you telling me I can not tell your offense to my stereotyping is offensive. It is a vicious cycle. So needless to say if you want to have at it. Call me old fashioned, but I have better things to do like fight for our rights as I have since high school and not waste any more of my energy on this

We call out stereotypes because some of us do not fit them and it makes it difficult and frankly it's offensive to be cast into something we are not.

I am still ok with calling them out even though you think it is not ok.

:)

Snow~A Masculine Femme Top Leather Daddy who hates the kitchen and leads her household.

betenoire 09-19-2010 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mister Bent (Post 194047)

I prefer a good slap in the face, but that's a different thread...

Dirty!

I think the OP should try the greyhound station. No exaggeration, but I've met several Butches at greyhound stations. I don't know what that's all about. The cutest one EVER was in Detroit - but I was attached at the time so I just chatted and smoked and left.

Seriously. Greyhound.

Ebon 09-19-2010 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by KimKawashima (Post 194043)
I don't understand your logic and you don't understand mine. Can't it just left at that. And my original point was why start with someone for using a so called stereotype if that is what we choose to do? So me expressing wanting to use them and you telling me it offends you is no different than you telling me I can not tell your offense to my stereotyping is offensive. It is a vicious cycle. So needless to say if you want to have at it. Call me old fashioned, but I have better things to do like fight for our rights as I have since high school and not waste any more of my energy on this

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 194070)
We call out stereotypes because some of us do not fit them and it makes it difficult and frankly it's offensive to be cast into something we are not.

I am still ok with calling them out even though you think it is not ok.

:)

Snow~A Masculine Femme Top Leather Daddy who hates the kitchen and leads her household.

Kumbaya!!!!!!!! :praying:

CP welcome to the planet. I hope you enjoy....:)

I do love it here and I enjoy it here with all of my brothers and sisters. :)

waxnrope 09-19-2010 12:02 PM

And awayyyyy we go ...

Seriously, you wouldn't find me or SOME other butches at the mall. Just saying. Then again, unlike the other posts, I haven't any other real useful suggestions :giggle: Perhaps a concert or other musical event. A dance? Then again, library? Lol. I have a few butch friends who are librarians, if you like that stereotype. Lol. Why limit yourself to one location? If you persist, as was suggested on the first page, you'll do fine.

morningstar55 09-19-2010 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by CausticPrincess (Post 193835)
LOVE this site...I am having fun reading and dreaming.......This Femme is yearning for her STUD......ButchDaddy....SweetBoi........ There is a large community here where I live, but havent any idea how to find my butch!! Its almost like they are all in hiding!! ...asking a word of advice from the butches out there......

I cut hair in the local Mall.....How do I make a first move if I see a sweet Butch strolling the mall or in my chair...is that uncouth..? Should I just zip it and let her find me...?? Give her direct eye contact...??? HELP!!

Happy Sunday everyone!!!

gawd..... im such a dork sometimes..........
Caustic. welcome to the Planet...... lol ..... this is a very good topic for alot of us girls here... ty

sweetbutch26 09-19-2010 12:07 PM

what wax said. you can't limit yourself to one specific place. you kind of have to put yourself out a little more. if you live in a large lgbt community check for local events coming your way.

Gemme 09-19-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 193953)
In my purse I carry whatever I happen to be reading at the moment, my new Nintendo DSi (woo!), a black magic marker, and my cigarettes.

I do not carry a lighter. Instead I just stand around holding my cigarette to my lips and looking helpless until some drooling masculine type rushes up to light it for me.

:blueheels:

It should be a red marker. I saw an American Dad episode where Stan took his son, Steve, to a war re-enactment. They used red markers instead of weapons. I think it could catch on. :blink:

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Originally Posted by EzeeTiger (Post 193966)
Black magic marker??? What are you a tagger?

That's classified.

Quote:

Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 193971)
No. It's just sometimes I come across things that need to be edited.

So, YOU'RE the one......:thinking:

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Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 194035)
Thanks.

Now I feel insensitive for talking about smoking. :(

You should be.

My lungs are offended at the very mention of it.




:welcome: to BFP, CausticPrincess!

Just be yourself and those who you are meant to meet, you will. :)

Guy 09-19-2010 12:41 PM

You would find ME at the mall, jus sayin'

Sam 09-19-2010 01:06 PM

uses a barber..

CausticPrincess 09-19-2010 04:35 PM

Hmmmmm.....lots of great advice....a few slams......a comment about my name.....and some heated discussion......wow......and I just had a simple question.....no fear friends...I FEAR no one and dont run away from opinions or opinionated people.....its all good.....we are all here for the same thing.....friendship...comraderie....support.....a nswers......and if one is really lucky....LOVE......

Kisses and hugz to all....

K

Tcountry 09-19-2010 04:44 PM

*Tip Hat*
All princess and non-princess types are looked at...sometimes stared at... ;)
I don't remember who said it because I am not good at quoting, but it is true the more you put yourself out there, the better chances you will have...the worst anyone can do is say no (that goes for all of us, butch and femme).
It is interesting tho that a lot of us are very flirty in here and not so much in person...so establishing a connection in here is one way to go about possibly more, and if it doesn't work out I bet you get some pretty great friends from it. You'll be surprised how much you learn about a person when you actually "have to" talk to them...lol *teasing, sarcasm*
:bunchflowers: Have a gret Sunday, what's left of it...& good Luck!

morningstar55 09-19-2010 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcountry (Post 194291)
*Tip Hat*
All princess and non-princess types are looked at...sometimes stared at... ;)
I don't remember who said it because I am not good at quoting, but it is true the more you put yourself out there, the better chances you will have...the worst anyone can do is say no (that goes for all of us, butch and femme).
It is interesting tho that a lot of us are very flirty in here and not so much in person...so establishing a connection in here is one way to go about possibly more, and if it doesn't work out I bet you get some pretty great friends from it. You'll be surprised how much you learn about a person when you actually "have to" talk to them...lol *teasing, sarcasm*
:bunchflowers: Have a gret Sunday, what's left of it...& good Luck!

.... very good post.. T :) ......
btw........ I think your tractor is sexy... hehehe

betenoire 09-19-2010 07:54 PM

And just so we're clear - I wasn't kidding about Greyhound stations. They're a fucking GOLDMINE.

But, really. I find if you want to meet people in general, you go to where your type of person would normally hang out.

Like 'em smart? Start lurking around independent bookstores. Like 'em pretentious? Start lurking around coffee shops (not starbucks). Like 'em nerdy? Start lurking around comic book stores. Like 'em to completely forget you exist for weeks at a time? Start lurking around video game stores.

And GO TO THE BAR. That's the whole reason that queer bars exist. So we have somewhere to drink, dance, and meet other queers. And if dance clubs are too loud/obnoxious/meat markety for you (and, believe me I understand that. oy)...it doesn't have to be a dance club. You said where you live has a pretty big community - so USE that community. I'm sure there has got to be at least one sit-down Dyke bar - go there and sit down. Does your city or a nearby city have a gayborhood? Yes? GO THERE. Walk around. Get a latte and read a book. Pet strange people's dogs. Say hello to strangers. SMILE. Stare back.

Edit!!!

Get in touch with your nearest LGBTI centre. Sign up for some stuff - I bet they have stuff. Take a self-defense class for Queer Women. Volunteer for Queer events. Go to book launches. See live bands. Participate in protests. Eat alone at sidewalk cafes. Just GET OUTSIDE.

KimKawashima 09-19-2010 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CausticPrincess (Post 194287)
Hmmmmm.....lots of great advice....a few slams......a comment about my name.....and some heated discussion......wow......and I just had a simple question.....no fear friends...I FEAR no one and dont run away from opinions or opinionated people.....its all good.....we are all here for the same thing.....friendship...comraderie....support.....a nswers......and if one is really lucky....LOVE......

Kisses and hugz to all....

K

I certainly hope you find what you are looking for. There are plenty of good butches out there that are looking for someone. My last relationship was 9 years and I met her at her job. I met my Baby Girl I am with now online and she is wonderful. You never know when love is going to blind side you.

Julie 09-20-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by CausticPrincess (Post 194287)
Hmmmmm.....lots of great advice....a few slams......a comment about my name.....and some heated discussion......wow......and I just had a simple question.....no fear friends...I FEAR no one and dont run away from opinions or opinionated people.....its all good.....we are all here for the same thing.....friendship...comraderie....support.....a nswers......and if one is really lucky....LOVE......

Kisses and hugz to all....

K

I have to say... I am really humbled by your response to all of the various posts you have received. I being one of the "more heated," people here who responded.

You are here, and you did not run away, but have remained to even honor those of us, who might not have honored you in such a way.

We are all here for the same reason, Princess (not feeling you are so Caustic).

Welcome to the Planet and I look forward to reading some more of your words, and I wish for you - that in this massive world of ours, you are so blessed with finding that one special love in your life.

Julie (Caustic Yesterday - Still a bit today).

CausticPrincess 09-20-2010 11:52 AM

Awww...Julie....THANK YOU.......HUGE HUGZ......I can be TRULY Caustic...hence the name.....but no reason here.....everyone has bad days....good days.. long days and absolutely glorious days......and they all come and go....I just roll with the punches (when I can)...I took NO OFFENSE to your words.....Its all good darlin......
I am a Princess...a Diva....but with a WICKED tough skin....and a bit of a big ego ...LOL.....So lets have some coffee and solve all the worlds problems !!!

K

Tcountry 09-20-2010 01:34 PM

:tea: How bout some tea...(or T ;) )lol
Sorry...that is my mood today...
so great that you just put it out there and made the rest of us think..
I really like actually having to think about a topic and in the process put myself out there for whatever comes to be...("caustic" or not...sometimes it is a friendly reminder to get burnt)
Have a Great Week!! & Welcome again! :rrose:

SassyLeo 09-20-2010 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isadora (Post 193989)
be yourself
smile and be happy
don't give a shit about what others think about how you are and enjoy your life, among many other things, this is what attracts people.

Sometimes strolling through a thread is like walking the gauntlet of the mean girls.

Isadora

I agree! When you exude -insert feeling here (happy, excited, fun, etc)- energy, I believe you attract like-minded energry :)


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