Okay question for the evening...
I want to get another Drift chute, any reconmendations?
The ones from Academy rot! lol,
This one looks good,http://www.surftosummit.com/images/p...s/KDC100P1.jpg
but I have no idea, I want 24" to 32" for fishing, but I really don't want any bigger. Unless someone knows of a good one.
I also want to trade in my folding anchor, it doesn't do good in the soft sand here and you lose them if they get caught up on rebarb, concrete and all the other trash they put in the ocean here. I am looking at this Bruce anchor, lots of good reviews, anyone use this anchor?
http://www.anchoring.com/images/Bruc...nchor-Main.jpg

Here is a very good link on knots, how to, animated.

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=ww w.animatedknots.com

' Tis the season
 

At least on the east coast, I thought i'd bump this up.

Big day tomorrow. I was really looking forward to it. Until I woke up this morning to 39 degrees. WTF? 95 for 5 straight days and we were dying as it's never that hot here....any how....sunrise kayak trip at 5:30 a.m.
with what they call level 1 yakkers. They've completed the intro course and can paddle a slow one mile course and have a danish and coffee stop, and paddle back. Personally, I love taking this group out......it's the trip where they fall in love with yakking (or hate it) but its so and relaxing and for sure peaceful. I just hope it's a little warmer.

Then in the evening....big baseball weekend here.....and the game will end with a fireworks extravaganda, so by reservation only, 75 of level three or better yakkers will be out on the river for the best view ever! What a way to begin and end my day :phonegab:

Am I posting to myself.............. That's ok if I am. I often speak to myself. I'm used to it. I talk to the wall, and the hand, blah blah blah.

This mornings' rivers excursion for sunrise was with out incident. It was 54 degrees. Warmer than yesterday. Some of the *newbies* were not dressed right, but you learn as you go. We had a tandum father and teenage daughter. Dad was pretty *hip* and you could see they had a nice relationship. 17 people showed. That was perfect. More than 20 on a level one (first trip) can be a handful. Two guides to a trip.

I'm going to practice knee paddaling this afternoon. I bought press and stick knee pads over the winter, its for rougher water. The rivers were calm this morning, perfect for level one and it will also be perfect for trying to learn the strokes for knee paddaling. Todays high is 82 and straight sun. I hope I don't fall in, that river water was mighty cool this morning.


Then tonight...more yak time under the stars with fireworks. The coast guard
keeps us in one relatively small area (and in the no wake zone) because everybody who has anything that floats and resembles a boat, is on the three rivers for the fireworks. They call it *skyblast*. Fireworks is a very popular thing in this city. People do lots of outside activities with our beautiful skyline, three rivers, parks and fireworks.

Yesterday was Christmas eve, today is Christmas. (to me)

I used to do a lot of kayaking. A wonderful adventure!

talking to self
 

Understand completely about talking to yourself
do it quite a bit myself as I drink/eat my green
smoothies

sounds like you've had a good two days of doing
what you enjoy I enjoy kayaking/canoeing
anything having to do with water
and get time to do it every year
when I visit home.

Get to see there's another early bird
around here

have a great day

Greco

needs some paddle time
 

longtime member

maybe tomorrow after work

Hi Greco!

I am an early riser.....most mornings around 4:30. By 9p.m., or when it is getting dark, I am becoming tired.

Sometimes I wish we are not scattered all over the planet earth. Those of us than can row, could tow a boat full of those that can't. The water is such a beautiful place.

The rowing club that I race dragons boats for, purchased two adaptive seats.
Rowing is now becoming ADA equipted. I'm so psyched about this. This seats are *fully* adjustable (i got in one to see what could all do, can't help some one use it if you don't know how it works) it prvides trunk and spine support for physically challenged. Out for a leisure row, or wanting to be a water athlete. Is that the coolest!

christmas is over
 

Exhale

Thanks for the reps! It's some how comforting to know you are not talking to
another form of the *hand* ...lol. I'm not that sensitive!

What a wonderful day yesterday was. The fireworks were beautiful. I have this cool rack that I tow my kayak on, that I pull with my bicycle. It's perfect for nights like last when the whole world was in cars and auto traffic is horrible. I pulled my yak out of that river, strapped it to my bicycle rack and was home before people were even leaving the baseball game. It helps that I live maybe a mile from the launch point.

You'd think I lived in some big resort town. Hardly. I got a lot of sun yesterday. I had my SPF 30 on. I have these puffy little bags under my eyes this morning. Real attractive looking. So picture this. I have cucumber slices
on the puffy little bags. But I'm not about to sit here and hold them. So I have an ace bandage wraped around my head/face loosely (sort of loosely)
and it's holding the cucumber slices in place. I just slide the used slice out, and insert a new slice. The cat keeps coming over and inspecting me. LOL.
I'm sure he is like WTF(?) my human is strange.......

Christmas is over part II
 

LOL, I just caught a glimpse of ace badaged face, cucumber juice and all, in the mirror....
The cat isn't inspecting me....he's smelling my brain to see if the circuits are burned out........I have to go hose out the kayak and the PDF and what ever else I don't remember, I barely made it into the house and got a shower .....I vaguely remember signing on to here last night, I think that was the end of the night for me, anyhow.....I was actually going to wear my cucumber mask outside in the driveway........:blink:THINK NOT! lol.

Hey, I forgot to tell you about the knee paddaling, it went pretty good. I have a 10.5
foot kayak....with a relatively wide opening. You do need the space to contort around to get onto your knees. I actually found I was able to shift my body weight on the knees (similar to how we use our thighs when seated in the seat) to assist with steering. Shocking how fast the kayak moved, and
the control you have. Several people asked about it.

I think that was the best part about hanging out with all the yakkers for the fireworks. You got to see tons of *whats new* in the kayak world.

Just an observation. I saw several yakkers wearing helmets last night. I've seen them worn in areas where there are rapids and boulders, but I was sort shocked to see them on a recreational float. But in discussion, (and trust me they were seasoned yakkers) they felt that paramount safety was a concern do to people drinking and driving huge boats. We were pretty defenseless.

Ok, cucumber face is going to start her day! See ya! and as per the usual, be safe out there!

Any one from St. louis on here? I'm asking because I hear St. Louis is a great place to kayak in the early fall, like September.

Pittsburgh has three rivers. But what happens here is, two rivers come together and form the Ohio river. If I understood correctly, St. Louis is like an island with 4 rivers flowing around it.

The Regatta is the big event this weekend. Well, that and the Kenny Chesney Concert yesterday. Apparently, Chesney is into Boating......I'm not sure of the whole story here, but the rivers were full of boats and they were calling themselves the Chesney Navy.

Tomorrow,(early) the dragon boats will be racing. One of the local rowing clubs has a team of rowers comprised of physically challenged individuals and two blind rowers. I can't wait to see them! Thats the beauty of rowing, there is a form (of rowing) for pretty much anybody. The more I learn, the more I love.

Has anyone done the Yukon 1000? Across the big empty......
certainly out of my league. I can not imagine sitting and rowing 18 hours a day, and pure desolation. mmm, maybe I can, sub space.

I see where Little Rock is quite a kayak destination.Something to think about maybe? Arkansas has more than 9,700 miles of rivers, stream and bayous as well as 600,000 acres of lakes. Little rock is smack dab in the middle of it all. Is anybody salavating? Listen to this!
The Arkansas River bisects the Ozark and the Quachita mountain ranges and the new Arkansas Water trails program links urban and backwoods paddling routes.

When I was learning to kayak, I recall my instructor saying to me "Breath into the nervous feelings".....what ever the hell that meant. Kayak speak for* Women thrive in a supportive environment* I'm not backwoods paddling literate, but am open to learning. My whole mission is to be
a voice for the female experience, you know...it's ok to be different.

:tea:Ok, enough from me!

kayaking
 

YB,

You have given me a serious desire to get to a kayak as soon as I get home, before I leave for much drier climes...I'll keep you posted on that...and I had no idea Arkansas has 600,000 acres of lakes! Jesus, I'd be on that water 24/7 if I lived there, 9,700 miles of river! hmmm...yes, I'd be on and in the water there.

I remember a number of years ago, a friend and I went canoeing in Fla around I believe it was the Orlando, or West of there anyway, she suggested going to this clear water river? no, it was more a type of clear stream but deep. Deep enough for the then almost endangered manatees. We docked the canoe on a bank and went snorkeling in the clearest, most beautiful waterway...I'll never forget that...I also adopted a manatee, her name was Luna.

YB, I appreciate your sharing about the activities you love...keep em coming.
Have a great time at the Regatta.

Greco

i'm originally from the st. louis area. i've recently moved to TX and have just started kayaking since i got here.

the illinois and missouri rivers converge with the mississippi river at st. louis. quite a bit of barge traffic and recreational boaters on the mississippi. it looks fairly calm, but has a good undertow to it. the meramec river is also near st. louis, to the south. you also have the cuivre river and the big river. not sure how either of those would be for paddling, though. from what i understand, the rainfall has been pretty heavy in the area (according to dad, anyway). obviously, there will be swifter currents, but lots of of debris as well. the areas around the rivers tend to be fairly wooded and plenty of branches and such to get swept downriver. i have done some canoeing on the meramec as well as tubing. i'd be happy to answer anything for you that i can...just ask away.

and another thing...
 

i've been paddling on town lake here in austin. it's one in a series of lakes on the colorado river. there is almost no motorized boat traffic allowed, so you don't have to fight the wakes from the drunk guys in power boats. last week, i went out with a couple of friends for an evening paddle. it was sweet. even fewer folks on the lake than in the morning and it got cooler as we paddled. a welcome break from the 100+ temps we've been having. we paddled to the congress street bridge to see the bats come out. not only was the sunset behind the bridge beautiful, it was a better view of the bats than what i'd seen from the shore. i don't have any waterproof camera gear yet, so it's a bit of a pain to take the stuff out of the dry bag and put it back in after a couple of shots...but the pics i did get were worth the effort. i've been lazy about editing my pics, but will do a couple and post them in the gallery, if anyone is interested.

i'm interested in trying out the single sculls as well. it's a total body workout (which i could use) and i figure it'll improve my range of motion in the bad knee i've got. i can certainly use some work on the abs and legs as well. getting older is hell, i tell ya. but, i'm thinking it'll be good exercise and a good way to improve my mobility for the kayak.

i want to get into some mild whitewater this fall. i got a good deal on a 10' pelican fishing yak. the cockpit is a little larger than i'd like, so am wondering if kneeling to paddle might be an option for me. i think this yak was built for someone a bit taller than i am. i've had to make some modifications to be able to even reach the footpegs. i'd like to get myself into a 9' fusion at some point. right now, they're going for about $700, so out of my range for the time being.

anyway...all this rambling. i spent june paddling on town lake. now, i'm looking to spend july paddling on smaller water with some current. trying to work my way up to quicker moving water so i can get some smaller rapids this fall.

YB, i'd be interested to know more about the knee paddling. anything you're willing to share would be helpful, i'm sure.

blaze, are you maybe thinking about a trip down this way sometime? it'd be cool to hook up and go for a paddle. i know a couple other folks from the site down here who would likely be interested in a kayak outing.

I have both my kayaks in the van and we've been stealing as much time as we have to go out on the lakes. I wish they weren't 40 min away because it limits the amount time we could be spending on the water. But it's peaceful and we can float and just listen to nature. During the week there are few boats on the water. Last time we scouted some shore beaches to swim - more private over the public beach with a million screaming kids.

I love fishing off my kayak and next week I'll get my license.

Sachita, Littleman, Greco, nice to see you all posting in this wonderful thread.

Littleman privately reached out to me for a source of info. Water people are like that. Good people, and also fun.

This morning as I was reading about Kayak tours I started reading about Arkansas and I thought, wow, why can't the kayakers all meet up at the reunion place and plan a kayak expedition. Then, as you saw, I just got carried away (no pun intended)

Here, where I live, there is a non profit organization that rents kayaks. Thats who I do the tours and instructional courses for. I do not get paid.
It's all for the love of the sport, and the idea is to introduce people to the outdoors and get them outside (and of course get them moving). They use flat bottomed perception kayaks with roomy cockpits and upgraded seats. Ideal for rentals. Then we have the rowing clubs, not non profit, but they keep it so the sport (and all it encompasses) can be affordable.

A tremendous amount of commerce comes through Pittsburgh on the Ohio and Allegheny rivers. I've seen the Mississippi (before I was a kayaker) in Both Baton Rouge and in New Orleans. Comparing that Mississippi to our three rivers, well, the Mississippi was scarey.

My personal kayak is an advanced element (advancedframe) (www.advancedelements.com) inflateable hybrid kayak. 10.5 long, 32 inches wide. **Littleman, the biggest reason I am able to paddle on my knees is my seat collapses into the space behind the seat giving me room for my legs. If you have room for your legs, you'll love this. I was surprised how comfortable this actually was.

Check it out!

YB

i'm on the short side and the cockpit is on the long side...thinking maybe i can manage kneeling. i'm planning on hitting town lake early tomorrow morning, so i'll take my knee pads and see how it works out. my only real concern is whether or not the stability will be affected by shifting my weight forward a bit. we'll see how it works out.

btw...posted a couple pics in the gallery from last weekend's evening excursion.

I'm dragon boat racing this morning at the regatta.

It's so frigging humid, I had gatorade for breakfast. I'm fine inside my IGLOO house.....

Hey littleman, regualr knee pads, when they get wet, slide around. These peel and stick that they sell, are two small rubber mats, and extremely soft rubber knee pads, and they work sort of like suction cups on the mat

If the lake is calm, try it, you've got nothing to loose, but lots to gain. My legs are only 29 inches, so this is very easy for me to do. Be prepared to go fast! (and have a blast!!!)

OK, gotta pack my bicycle bag. After dragon boat racing, the Pirates are back in town!

Happy July 4th to all Americans, Belated happy Cananda day neighbors.....and to all, a great day.

Blaze wanted me to post this pic of his Kayak


http://images.photo2.walgreens.com/2...%3B35325nu0mrj

Finally got 2 weekends in with the Prism Aquaterra that was worked on all winter.
Not bad, this bad boy caught me 2 Reds, 5 Flounder, 2 Sheepheads, and 4 Pompano at Galveston State Park trail #2. That doesn't include the 3 stingrays that I let go, lol.

Blaze

spent most of the day Sunday out on the lake paddling my friends kids around, fun times. :)

New River NC/VA
 

We didn't "Canoe the New", but we sure did "Kayak some New".

http://www.ncparks.gov/Visit/parks/n...i_frommoje.jpg

http://www.ncparks.gov/Visit/parks/neri/main.php

WoW!...thanks for posting this....and great info in the links. Beautiful, in a word!

From new river trip...
 

I see plenty of kayakers out with the dog. Two in particular, I see regularly. One, she goes out with both of her humans....has to sit in the cockpit because she is bad and likes to hop off and race them....they tell me that's no so terrible, but she is almost 90 pounds, and getting her back into the kayak~ floating on the river is dangerous....so she has to wait till swim time....and the other dog, TOTALLY spoiled. Has his own seat in a tandum kayak....the front seat of course....Shepard mix. He wears a pfd and eye goggles! I love it.
___

Ok, summer is cruising by. Finally relief from the heat. I've had so many headaches this summer, heat related, it has to be. Last evening it was normal weather, 83, and I had a light jacket on. I was sort of chilly. I didn't believe it myself

I've been working horrendously long hours four days a week, so I can have the extra day off each week end....and I've been having so much fun......Went out with our rowing club last evening to dragon boat and I heard our teen age group
had an *incident*. Two speed boats going in opposite directions (I heard in a no wake zone) but I wasn't able to confirm that, created a wake and the wakes hit the kids simultaneously and it tipped over the dragon boat. :praying:

a) Dragon boats are big and heavy and tips and flips almost never happen.

b) Pittsburgh River Rescue was there with in minutes....and the Coast Guard is investigating.

20 teenagers on board, and two adults, plus they go out with a motorized lead boat. No one was injured. I'm proud to report, the teen agers did everything they have been taught to do and even had the dragon boat uprighted. River rescue and the coast guard brought them to the rowing club
despite the kids wanting to attempt to reboard the boat. as precaution, they were all checked out, and all fine.
Stresses the importance of practicing *emergency*

__

Finally Kayak news. I was out for a row already this morning. An all womans row. I like these best. As we were getting into the kayaks and waiting on everyone to get settled, I saw a younger man (in his 20's I'd say) come walking down to the river, carrying a surf board looking thing and had a long handled paddel. He layed it at the edge of the river, got into the water, not quite knee deep, and climbed on TOP of this board, and stood up and rowed...or surfed...not sure what it was. I was preoccupied because he wasn't wearing a PFD and this river will swallow you....that makes me crazy, but wow, the muscles he had
~very pronounced from the rowing he was doing~ it looked like a sophisticated version of Mark Twain out there.
This isn't the beach, so we don't see the latest trends inland, on the rivers....so I came home and looked it up

www.imaginesurf.com

Now of course I want one. Maybe not one as sophisticated as these, (i/e not as expensive either) My partner just reminded me of this...her words, not mine. This is why you
never go on vacations, you're always buying these toys.:hamactor: I like to have fun.....what's so wrong about that?

girls day out
 

I've been kinda randomly following this thread and appreciate all the good info.

We live around several lakes and prime canoeing spots. I told Jack a few days ago that it looks like pretty good exercise for the upper body and that I wanted to pick up a Kayak.

She thinks I'm too clumsy :)

Once you get in one, is it fairly easy to balance?

Yes....they come in all shapes and sizes......the wider the entry hole (speaking in easy to understand terms) the flatter the bottom and less chance to wobble and flip.

Look at the back muscles on these girls I just posted standing up....it works all of your muscles....even your legs are involved......

I tried to get a group together to go to the reunion after I read what Ark. had available....no one bit. Heck I'd drive for the opportunity.

Exhale.

I would love to do it in a group as long as nobody video-taped anything ;)

I see them all the time on craigslist here and even at yard sales sometimes. What is a good price range to invest for a brand newbie?

I'd put all of my money into the PFD (personal flotation device) you want one that fits, is comfortable and will work!

The rest, well if it's your first....buy someone elses must sell...craigs list is perfect.....I always see damn good ones with the paddel (a good paddel can be a hundred bucks) for a hundred total......because if you like the sport, you'll get another one that fits your needs more.

Just like every one does who buys a camper....they always buy something better once they understand camping.

Kayaking and fishing is big too.....I don't fish, but I know Jack does.....

Exactly! I didn't know if I needed to get something specifically for me at first or what. I've been looking a bikes for much the same purpose as the kayak. I am opening up my life to healthier living and am enjoying being outdoors more and more. The idea of kayaking around some of the lakes and streams we have here is super motivating!

kayaking is good for the head space.....zen like. It's much cheaper too. most people have trouble transporting them, and thats the turn off. I have a rack that I pull with my bicycle.....I live two blocks from the launch site on the river...so NO PROBLEM for me......also, having some one to do it with is suggested. I belong to a rowing club and I teach kayaking, so I can always find someone who wants to go out......and with all of the water outlets your state has, I'd say those same options would not be hard to find.

People think bicycles are inexpensive, and I know you have been researching. Everyone tells you get one fitted for you, and that can be costly....kayaking, you are moving and it's so much fun, you don't mind.(you won't be getting out and pushing it up a hill either....lol) My partner is not athletic like i am, and I took her kayaking and the second time, she was hooked, she never says no.....infact asks if we're going out.....i'll also tell you water people are fun people.....(again, zen) Try rental.

The zen is what is attracting me! We have a giant truck so I know transporting it wouldn't be a problem and there are at least 3 lakes/streams within range of where I work and live that would be super easy access.
The bike search has been put on hold since the bike I want/need is over $1000. :| I do love the idea of the kayak because I will accomplish the exercise and outdoor-zen that I'm wanting for so much less $$.

How is fishing out of one? :)

Blaze has a picture posted not too far down, Stiletto posted it, I think little man fishes too....I don't fish. I talk too much....lol

I've owned various kayaks. It is a good work out for your entire body and the best part fairly easy. You'll feel it in your abs, ass and thighs. Look up videos on you tube for proper hand placement and sinking the paddle. This makes all the difference in the world.


The kayaks I have and prefer are called "Ocean Kayak". I like them because they are open, have holes in the leg area and seat which gets your butt wet but I enjoy it keep cool. I'd rather take my kayak out over my canoe when its hot. They are very sturdy and will last forever. Mine has a compartment for a small cooler behind the seat and a closed compartment for gear. I often use mine for fishing or overnight camping and have plenty of room.

this is why I like the open sit on top types. I can strap my poles to the sides and there's lots of open room to put stuff.

I have never fallen out of kayak accidently, until yesterday. I have done so intentionally, while teaching kayaking to newbies. Emergency procedures
are part of recreational kayaking.

My partner and I are going to compete in a *pumpkin* race in October. A
5 k fun bicycle ride, and a kayak race. (I may run in the 10 k, not sure, and today for sure, not sure) This was my partners idea not mine.

So yesterday, as per the usual, we head out to the river to kayak at sunrise. It's been extremely hot again, and oppressively high humidity. I was happy no sun shine. The competitive side of me wants to compete and win in this kayak competition. It's rated level 1. So I had my butch
who is much stronger than I, in training. She was towing me in my kayak,
up stream. We went to our designated *break spot* I brought along
frozen grapes and blue berries and espresso. Both were in these thin
stainless steel thermos's and these great ceramic commuter mugs with rubber lids. I had them packed into a perfect kind of bag. Understand,
packing in/on a kayak is important (get your minds out of the gutter):doh:

Our kayaks were still tethered together, and as we approached our
*break spot*, I began breaking out the break-fast treats. Instead of me untying her kayak, the smarter thing to do....as she was dropping the small
anchor, i was up on my kness, sort of, stretching all the way across the bow to untie my rope, while holding the partially broken out break-fast with one hand, and some how I lost balance-slipped and before anyone could say anything FEMME OVERBOARD.

I fell in, to my left side, so in between me and my honey, was my kayak. Now my left leg somehow became somewhat stuck as inertia was taking me overboard and breakfast was now in the river. Zip canvas bag filling with water....and I couldn't get my leg completely free (i didn't realize this
at first) until the damn kayak finally flipped first onto it's side, then completely over........at least I was out of it....and I'm watching my precious stainless steel ensemble float away filling with water and there goes our treat! So I try to swim after it. Maybe I was a tad bit in shock, thinking back to yesterday.

In my :seeingstars:I hear a whistle blowing. WTF? It was my lover blowing her emergency whistle. So I stop swimming, and start floating and begin to yell at her *QUIT BLOWING THAT WHISTLE>>>THAT'S FOR EMERGENCY* And she blew it again. I swam over to her kayak yelling the whole time, and I sort of remember her inquiring if I was ok....and I was mixed yelling about the espresso floating away and sinking, stop blowing that whistle, my kayak is taking on water and of all the goofy things for me to say....*The ducks poop in this water*.

Now you know, she just wanted to take the end of her kayak paddle,place it on top of my head and press, just hard enough to put my head under water to shut me up. But as I have said, she knows when to ignore me.

By this point she had a big smile on her face,(she told me later the comment about duck poop did it) and my high strung personality misconstrued that smile to be laughing at me, and I was now yelling/crying/ lump in my throat.....oh this is funny!!! as I was trying to flip her kayak. (hence total melt down)

Finally I got my brain back (after I wrapped my head around breakfast ensemble was gone) and I had to teach her how to help me empty my kayak. She had never done this before. I was trying to be patient. I was only super bitch one more time. I yelled * You're going to get wet
FU#$ing get over it* and again, in retrospect, that didn't apply as she was
very wet. I was irrational.

Finally, we got the water out of, and me back into my kayak. I paddeled back to the bicycles trying to regain my composure, but we kept the rope attached.

Last night, in the middle of the night, I said to my *sweet* honey....please tell the Kat to get off of my hip. Ha? No kat on my hip. Honey goes and gets me two advil. This morning, I can hardly walk. I feel like I tore an ass muscle. Sitting is even worse. We have a baseball game in a couple of hours. I already tried to sit on my bicycle. That was a NO. I tried to ride with out sitting, medium pain. It just started to rain. That maybe the answer. I've been standing all morning, trying to stretch this out, why can't I stand at the game?

Sweet Lover just said we are not going. :vigil: (please)
Thought I'd share. Have a safe labor day to those of us in the US!

I am trying to get Doll involved, so I wanted to purchase this kayak. But I don't think she wants to go kayaking unless the water is like 18" deep. ~Sigh~ guess I have an excuse to buy an Ocean rough water kayak :drool:
Was going to get this for us...
http://www.texaskayakfisherman.com/f...?id=103065&t=1


But really wants this...
http://www.texaskayakfisherman.com/f...?id=102711&t=1

I also am very fond of this one, with it's ready to go fishing set up and Rudder, perfect for getting close inshore and staying there.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3674/photo5bb.jpg