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Any comparison between the rights and wrongs of a same-sex marriage and an incestuous one would clearly be wrong. However, and without reading the piece in its entirety, I wouldn't be at all certain that's necessarily what the author is trying to do. Rather, could the article not simply be demonstrating that societal views to what constitutes a marriage can change significantly over short periods of time? Whilst still not ideal, the same-sex marriage debate has made significant leaps and bounds in recent generations and there is a tidal wave in favour. In a relatively short time in history, we'll be in a position where same-sex marriage has equal legal authority to heterosexual marriage in almost all of the "western world". However, until relatively recently, same-sex marriage would have been viewed with absolute disgust by the "moral majority" and as something as "awful" as a marriage of family members. In fact, in many instances, it would have been viewed as worse. I only knew one of my four grandparents and by all accounts, all four were fantastic and loving people. However, I do wonder what their reaction would have been if, say in 1950, they had been asked their views on gay marriage? I would be astonished if it would been anything other than "no way". Similarly, what is right or wrong as a marriage has changed more generally. Not long ago, it would have been frowned upon for a widow to remarry as she was meant to grieve for her dead husband for the rest of her life. That's a much less commonly accepted view or practice these days. The fact that the commonly held view of what is a justified marriage is changing reiterates that marriage, and what should be allowed to constitute a marriage, is societal. Many parts of the world have marriage customs and traditions that are, to me (and presumably most others on this site) revulsive i.e. forced marriages, often incentivised by the prize of a dowry and typically involving a young girl and a much older man. Also, not only a significant age gap, but it's not nor meant to be a marriage of equals. And, yet, such marriages are the norm in parts of the world and in those same parts of the world, same-sex relationships can lead to imprisonment or worse. So, based solely on that opening, I wouldn't be certain that the article is linking same-sex marriage to marriage of family members - rather, it could very well simply be demonstrating that society's views of the acceptable boundaries for marriage are prone to significant change over short periods of time and dependent on prevailing cultural norms. In my view, it potentially lends itself to a good debate in the classroom. |
Plus, an article like that would not have been out of place ca. 1967, when interracial marriage laws were struck down in the U.S. That was a huge cultural step that, like gay marriage, was tremendously controversial for over a century although it existed before the Civil War. That well may be the point, that attitudes on marriage shift rapidly.
Marriage between cousins was of course common in royalty (with unfortunate genetic problems resulting), but also happened between regular people due to proximity and small communities. I agree that the broad theme may be the rapidly (40 years) changing mores on marriage, and not comparing gay marriage to repulsive acts. |
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Before I feel justified in getting bent out of shape about this, it would help to know what course this is for and the rationale the prof gave for picking this particular article. Context sometimes changes initial perceptions. |
why does this versions speak to me so much more than Beyonce's
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Many, many things and where I stand. Meanwhile I am floating up above my path, in my thoughts and watching it all take shape.
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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/When+c...s.-a0238095380 I personally don't find the article offensive, because it's not using incest as rationale against same-sex marriage. It's looking at the biological vs. sociological reasons against incestuous couplings. The main arguments against same sex marriages tend to be sociological (although you do get the people who throw in the idea that same sex couples can't procreate, which is used as a biological argument against it). The author is trying to take this idea and apply to incestuous marriages. I can see why KCBUTCH found it annoying and triggering. It gets old to always see the comparison made. However, I think if it's being used in its appropriate academic context (which isn't an argument against same-sex marriage), it doesn't offend me. Although as Kobi said, the context of its use could easily change my opinion on it. |
Number crunching, Please let this be possible.
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The sadness I feel....My coworker died Friday night…it was pretty much known that he was going to die for the last week, but I guess we just weren’t ready to hear it quite so quickly. I guess o one ever wants to hear that kind of news though. He had cancer, and had donated his own bone marrow for the bone marrow transplant, and his body rejected his own bone marrow. His lungs got bad and filled up with (cancer?) and they put him on a ventilator last week, and Friday the family made the decision to pull the ventilator, he died at 8:50 PM Friday night. Roger was, hands down, by far the kindest, most generous coworker I have ever had in my life. He always had a kind word or compliment for anyone and everyone, and had the most positive attitude, right up to the end. He always had to see the latest movies and would give his opinion to anyone that asked. He was also very into Super Heros, Star Trek, and a lot of Sci Fi. He never failed to make me smile. I will miss you, and your great one liner….when asked “How are you?” Roger always replied “Great, but I’ll get better!” RIP, my Super Hero Friend.
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Thank you for tracking down the article. The opening sentence is misleading given the gist of the overall article. It makes sense to use such an article in certain situations i.e. helping people to think outside of their own values, beliefs, cultures, histories, and paradigms. Again, it would be helpful to know the type of course this was required reading for. I can easily see it as acceptable for any number of cultural appreciation, critical thinking, women's studies, sociological, and anthropological type courses. Personally, I found the article to be quite educational, and thought provoking. |
The many house projects we have going on right now, we are putting down a new floor in the kitchen that Desd and the goose painted so very pretty. Then I got the goose a new bed a hell of a deal and she needed a new one cause she is growing like a weed and out grew her loft bed, so before we put in the new captains bed we ripped up the carpet in her room it was icky and we had wanted to do this. BUT the hardwood benith said carpet was not in as good shape as the wood in the spare room had been several scratches and gouges so we filled and sanded the damage and then re-stained the floor it ain't perfect but it will do so now I am waiting for the room to dry so I can put cordaround in and start putting stuff back or should I work on the kitchen or the yard stuff to be done AND there also in the new couch that needs to be brought in from the garage, but the old one has to go to the basement first oh wait then we have to move the futon from the basement to the spare room. Opps all the stuff from the gooses room is in the spare room..... decisions :|
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The opening sentence had no relevance in the chap or topic or article- is was only that discriminatory comparison of same-sex marriage to incest I too would love to know her point of using such a statement-I believe the article could have easily been presented with a conscious mind and having deleted the first part with absolutely no harm to the article since it was never mentioned again nor had any relevance as I mentioned |
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I am irritated but dont want to react because I am irritated. hence why I'll bring it to my other professor regarding context since that's her specialty |
Concern for a friend who is going through some changes in their life...
Wishing luck to my best friends daughter who is raising money to go to state pageant... Lesson plans with my beautiful kids... Power point projects (see above)... Many other things... Most importantly... I am starting to really see who I am... and finding that I love that person... I know what I want to do in life... I am discovering the driving forces behind my happiness and I understand that no one else can provide that happiness but myself. |
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Things aligning and my energy focusing the way I know it should.
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Communication, how our perceptions skew our understanding. Can two people has such different perceptions as to not be able to communicate effectively? Thought provoking.
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I have a bit of a dilemma and don't really know how to deal with this. My friend's brother and his g/f have a drinking problem, there's no doubt about that. However, the g/f seems to have her wits about her more so than my friend's brother. My friend is always talking about what's going on between them and I want to side with the g/f but I know that won't go well. On top of that, my friend is accusing the g/f of doing the exact same thing that my friend does (twisting the truth. I love her as my friend, but sometimes she see's things different than the way it really is).
I try very hard to just stay out of it and listen without comment, but sometimes it's really hard because I want her to face the fact that her brother needs help. I don't judge either one because I don't think it's fair to do that. I haven't had to walk in their shoes, so I can I know why they are the way they are. This is what I'm dealing with and what's on my mind at the moment. |
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Unfortunately unless they're ready to stop not much you can do to convince them- its strange thing really to have the choice btwn your life falling apart and losing everything and stopping drinking. When it comes to addiction it centers in the area of the brain that responds to survival- the brain has discovered that the same chemicals are produced when getting loaded that are produced when eating, sleeping, and having sex. so it equates chemicals like alcohol or drugs with getting its basic primal needs met think of this when we eat a satisfying meal 100 units of dopamine are released- this tells us food fuels us productively. an orgasm produces 200 units of dopamine getting loaded produces over 1000 units- therefore our brain sees this as a more efficient option to meet its needs. SADLY |
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I slipped today and confronted someone that threatend my daughter. In a stern but polite way. She didn't get mad but told me she had this. As a mother I know the protective nature I have with her or my loved ones will never leave me. Trying hard to let her handle it. Damn this is HARD. (She is my only child)
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I believe my work trip has turned unto 2 weeks instead of 1. That's ok, I got this. Three hours from my family, I will be visiting them on downtime. There is always a silver lining. Now to buy gifts for the grand babies....because they never get enough you know.
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seagulls....specifically jersey seagulls...
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Well in regards to the article from my class the irritated me so much- well in class to night the teacher spoke of kinship dynamics and next week she'll discuss marriage variations so in the meantime- I still plan on bringing the article to my other professors for her thoughts on it
I also asked a friend of mine who is a university professor and he had mixed feelings as well |
Having a good day and enjoying my co workers and students! I was pretty wrapped up yesterday in dealing with an administrator. Friday I was wrapped up in taking care of my mom feelings. Back in balance and enjoying the days at work.
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My job interview today....I actually think there are squirrels IN my stomach.... :blink:
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Last night, my sister bought me a plane ticket to see her and my mother this summer. I sent her a note via facebook telling her how much the ticket will be and to make sure to put down my married name! So, this morning I looked to see if she did buy the ticket. She did, BUT she put down my maiden name.
Ugh! I was seeing red I was so pissed this morning. I have been married for five years! |
Getting an answer today on the sale of one of my bikes...Lusting the new one that I want to replace it with.
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I am trying not to think much.
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My dad is in the hospital. His back spasmed and seized last night until he couldn't breath. He has been into the VA for this twice in the last week, only not to this extent. The ER here admitted him, and found signs of pneumonia.
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Time to get back to my photographs! Lunch is over.
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I keep staring at this new tattoo and all I can think is the freedom it represents and how truly I feel it!
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Okay I romped through the threads and left funny, silly, happy posts for the most part but there is one serious thing that is rollin' around in my mind... so here goes.
One of the guys (and not really one of my faves but he is an okay guy) got upset with another guest, a female guest, and called her an unsavory name. He was immediately stopped in his tracks and redirected to take a walk and calm down. As he was walking out, and in another area away from the others, he felt the need to explain to me why he was so upset, so I listened... till he slammed her again. I know he was upset and he has every right to be so, however, he has no right to speak that way about anyone. Although these kids show improvement with the way they act and react to situations presented to them... there is still so much more to work on. :sigh: I really do love my job.... |
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I am wondering about how productive I will be at work tomorrow. I am hoping that if I take a few extra breaks I can work my entire shift.
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