oh no you did nt..........laughin..................getting a 'little' older??????????????????

bully will take care of that for me since she is turning 50..............and happy bday to her....

If I had seen this earlier I would have replied right away, thank you for bringing it to my attention Toughy.. let me start off by saying you have no need to apologize at all
let me apologize for even making you feel uncomfortable in any way. I truely apologize. My snicker was actualy at myself because I thought it was about something else and it seemed ok since you started your post with nener nener made ya look :) So yeah I was thinking like that too...

I mean no offinse as I myself like to be clean with my swagg at all times. We all do it in our own way no way being more butch than the next. Toughy it is a great thread and one we needed thanks for posting it.

Sincerly,
Ri

No worries about replying..........it's not been that long and we all have lives...

Thanks for your response. Absolutely I get why and what you meant.........I did start it with nener ne ner. Thanks for coming back ..........

<grin>......I am soooooooooo glad I didn't go off like a rocket and make a big ass out of myself...... with both suebee and luv2

I want to thank both suebee and luv2 for coming back. This could have gotten ugly and it didn't. That's a good thing.

as to swagg.....laughin.........the femmes seem to like this being part of butch swagg...

pay attention guys......

I neatly (anally) trim mine , so no whites are showing.
Dirty nails gross me the hell out.
I cant handle files grinding on me , anywhere. :|

Feet trust _ I do not have it.
I've only had that a few times in my life.

Before my mom passed, she had a request that me and my
sisters all go get our nails "did" together.
She had me over a barrel and knew it.
I did everything before going so all that was left was filing ( or trying to) :sigh:

I nearly kicked the lady messing with my feet, twice.
Her speaking more english would have been very helpful , for me.
It's a trust thing ,sort of like who does your hair , amplified
by 100 :twitch:

Bard and I have gone for pedi's once, it was pretty fab! A first for me, but I am super ticklish, so I had a LOT of trouble staying still for the massage. Hy will rub my foot for me with a peppermint+plum lotion, and I loveeeee it :bunchflowers:

Hy oftens clips/files hys nails - they grow fast, and rather thick.. Mine like to peel =/ I think mayhaps all the nail polish and nail polish remover beating them up.

We plan to get a mani prior to the wedding.

Our friend that did the pedi has her own salon. Otherwise, neither of us really like people touching our feet. I don't mind hym touching my feet though :tea:

I think all this "manicure" "pedicure" stuff is also a class issue which kind of sucks. You don't need to have a "manicure" to to be "clean," and I think that getting manicure or giving yourself one has more to do with what people like to do for themselves than any actual realistic hygiene issue. Personally, I just cut my nails frequently because I can't stand to have any nails at all. It drives me up the wall at work or just generally going about my day. Never filed or done anything particularly special and never run into any issue because of it. I think people exaggerate a little at times when it comes to this stuff.

I hear what you are saying, but I think that the thinking behind the creation of the thread (being butch doesn't mean you can't pamper yourself), is a good one.

I would never get a manicure/pedicure either, but I don't think it is a "class" issue; I think it is people choosing to budget their money for this service. Maybe they don't hit Starbucks 5 days a week like many people do, so they have the extra cash to get this done.

I don't read what is being expressed in this thread as people viewing others as not being "clean" if they don't get manicures/pedicures.

A few posts talked about manicures and pedicures as hygienic, which I think is definitely making a statement about people who don't or can't get them, whether they intended it to be that way or not (not saying they said it maliciously, but still has the same implication). And since not everyone has the financial luxury to be able to budget beyond having enough money for what they need, I do think its a class issue if its something you're paying someone else to get done. All I was trying to say is its fucked up when people assume that certain things that are a matter of material luxury are matters of personal hygiene instead of a luxury.

I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one...

I know/have known more than a handful of people who can't afford cars/computers/daily starbucks/eatting out, ect...

BUT they get their hair and nails done like clock work every two weeks..

I don't think it's a matter of class, but a matter of what is important to someone...

I love thrifting/resale stores/ junk stores....

They are my reward for getting up and going to work...

Back when my kid was in HS (Private) I was poorer than hell.. (you support three people, plus tuition and all the stuff that goes along with having a teenager and a partner in college full time on 11 bucks a hour... you learn now to be functual poor) I would walk to work vs taking the bus to save my bus fare so I could go thrifting once a month...

If something is not important to you, then you might think that it's a unness luxury that only people of a certain class can afford... But if it's important to you, you find a way to make it happen...

I understand what you are saying, but I certainly didn't/don't mean you have to pay money to get a manicure or pedicure. Being clean and having good personal grooming/hygiene is not a function of money or class in my way of thinking. As I said, I get a manicure every week and I do it myself. It consists of cutting my nails and filing off the rough edges. My toenails are not done as often and I have to figure out some way to deal with pedicures. My very tight budget is going to have to be changed because my ability to do my own pedicure is being severely limited. I'm not so sure I would say folks exaggerate this issue, that seems a bit judgmental.

One of the reasons I started this thread was to help dispel the myth that masculine folks do not take care of our nails.....manicure and pedicure. It is a 'girly' thing to take care of your nails. I am not 'butch enough' because I take pride in trimmed nails and clean hands and feet. I have received reps from masculine folks for starting this thread because they get shit about it from other masculine folks or femmes or partners.

I do understand there can be a charge around words like hygiene and clean. I also understand how folks could think manicure and pedicure mean money changing hands. I don't think that way. Thanks for bringing it up and giving me the chance to clarify what I mean.

And I totally get the can't stand having nails at all..............I'm the same way and so are others in this thread....

I just looked at my last post and saw the red thumbs down avatar at the very top. I did not mean for that to be there.....I must have somehow accidently clicked on it when I was writing that post. I don't think anything Ender has said should have a thumbs down connected to it. My apologies.

Happy! Nice.