I just think that if you are going to start a public thread with some really outrageous claims of strength and such, people are going to question it. This is a public forum, and not everyone is going to agree or accept everything that is said at face value. I mean, I know that the internet doesn't lie (tongue in cheek) and that everyone online is completely and totally honest to a fault (tongue on other side of cheek)....

... but we're talking about some amazing stuff here. Can it be true? Maybe. Can it be a sack of wet lies? Certainly. It's only human nature to question.

My own intention is not to grill anyone.

You say that as if it's a foregone conclusion that she is in some way being misleading.


Now, for all the haters... cause that IS what you're being... for all of you... seriously, unless you know for absolute sure that this person is not who she says she is, why would you even feel the need to post such negative bullshit on this thread? Why the need to post at ALL?

Furthermore, if you DO know for sure, then DON'T READ her threads. See how simple and drama free life can be? But maybe that's the entire point, there are those who thrive on drama.

I agree, this thread has started to suck, but not because of the OP's post. Rather, it's because of those who THINK their opinion is fact and they feel a need to belittle and put down, BASED on that OPINION!


As Mother would say... "if you don't have anything nice to say about someone, then shut up till you grow up."

Is this you, not thriving on drama?

huh. another 'wow. just wow' moment for me.

oh well.

I am sorry if I am missing the point here, but ...

Why do we care?

Why do we care about her body fat percentage?

Why do we care if she is lying or being deceitful?

Why do we care so much about someone we don't know, may never meet and likely will never befriend?

I want someone to honestly tell me why they care so much about this in the grand scheme of life?

I will be 100 percent honest with you. I find the posts in here grossly disturbing and weirdly annoying. If I came in here and said I had three heads would you all jump on it and analyze and re-analyze my every word? Google search me for "proof?"

It's the Internet. Take it at face value. Think to yourself (operative phrase here), "Thanks for sharing and have a nice day."

Good lord.

Jake

I'm not hating sweetheart, I can smell BS when it's fresh and have no problem calling someone out on it.

Now, how's about you go back and look through my 600+ posts and see if you can find any fuckin drama!! I DO NOT do drama AT ALL!! It just so happens that this last thread was the final straw (maybe my raging PMS had something to do with it, whofuckinknows!)! I smelled BS from day one with this person and simply rolled my eyes, laughed and let it go thread after ridiculous thread started by her and then.I.snapped! I hate when I lose control like that.

Oh and BTW, I'm not belittling or putting her down. I simply asked for a little proof (along with several other ppl) to back up some of her outrageous claims. Funny how she has continued to ignore folks that (in the beginning) showed an interest and wanted to see just how amazing she supposedly is. Where's the harm in that? When someone is that badass/awesome, we lesserthans just wanna gawk and perv.

Why do you need proof of anything?

Seriously.

I really don't actually. The claims she made were just crazy and for a while I just laughed and moved on. Like I said, yesterday I just plain snapped. Call it hormones, whatever. I will not continue to engage in this crappy behavior (speaking for MYself only).

Ridiculous thread after ridiculous thread? Well some of them have turned out to be quite interesting.

When she has something on her mind, she starts a thread. That's not how most of us do it. Oh well.

Seriously, WTF do you care? And have you ever stopped to think that as far as we know she is a young kid looking for community? I remember when I was 23 and I could have used some.

As someone who's not exactly going to clamor for Steph's personal info here, my best guess as to why people want proof of her claims is because if they're true, she is the badass hero destined to save us from (insert your least favourite bogeyman here, like "the far-right war on women" or such) and we mere mortals need to find the Sword of Truth for her like right now.

Allison-Thanks, I will kick the Tea Party's ass for you all.

COOL!
 

If you don't mind what does your typical day include for meals and workout?

... and what other supplements / pills / things do you put in your body and how often?

Thanks!

Good luck with that. ;)

I eat pretty much what I want.

My workouts:

I do two lifts of: Bench, Squat, Deadlift and 1 calistetic of: Situp, Pushup, Chin up. I rotate them through a month.

"Bless her heart"

"I feel sorry for her"

"SWEETHEART!!??"

Ok, now, your above posts, taken of course, at face value, because obviously, I don't KNOW you, but, apparently, that doesn't mean a damned thing when it comes to judging people, at least for you... based on that above post, you don't truly give a flying fuck if her heart is ever blessed, you could give a rats ass about her... and hence can't feel sorry for her.. and I don't know where you come from... but if I were in a workplace and ANYONE I did not know, called me sweetheart, which, unless it is said from a lover to her lover is diminishing in it's use, I would turn your ass in.

I would never call anyone by anything but there name, or, on here, their handle, without first, asking permission.

But, again, looking back at your responses here (the entire PMS excuse) and again, without TRULY knowing you, (and we've already established that that isn't necessary to judge someone) I'd say you knew damned full well when you said those afore mentioned things, you were being demeaning, in a honey coated kind of way. I too KNOW the southern "polite" sweet as pie, ways of putting others down, and they are no less demeaning then one's spouted straight out.

As for thriving on drama... well.. ya'll... I challenge you to look at any of my posts and find any place where I have deliberately and methodically tried to rip someone, or their authenticity, apart. The only harsh words I have ever posted, were in response to hate filled posts directed at an individual. Especially when they are done by a mob mentality... it feeds off of itself and really, aren't we all just a little to OLD and intelligent to simply say or do something just because we can??

I am genuinely (tongue in cheek) concerned for you, however. If an online forum can make you lose your temper, what does the real world do to you?

Ok... that last bit was snarky, I'll just blame on the anemia and low hemoglobin, the cramps, ovulating and just being downright grumpy today.

steph, do you take any kind of protein supplements? I am always, always, always low on iron and protein... like mal nourished low... and I've not been able to tolerate protein supplements, however, I am sure they are coming up with new ones and am always looking for things I can do that doesn't include raw liver, beef or even eating meat every single day for the rest of my entire life (cause while I like meat, my stomach doesn't always).

BTW, welcome to the Planet. I've enjoyed reading your threads!

Everybody keeps talking about how much weight she can lift. I'm clueless about that. Anybody want to share it and was it a dead lift, a bench press, clean and jerk or what?

I'm also clueless about her lying or not.........and who cares.....

Certainly instead of a new thread this could have been posted in the WTF/Zombie thread, but then we would not have all this drama about truth-telling. And she is a newbie and might not yet have the hang of all the threads.

In the words of Paul...

Toughy stephs post in another thread here states she does...

Bench 450- 20 reps
Squat 670 10 reps
Dead lift 915-5 reps

World powerlifting Federation records

Womens open class
Liz Freel USA dead Lift 227 Kg.=500 pounds 9/6/10

Deborah Fennel USA benched 419.5 pounds 5/2006

These were ONE rep mind you.

So 20 reps at 450 would make more than a few folks cock their head to the side and go....what?????

Alot has been chewed up and spit out.... what i,m hearing that saddens me is justification for untruth....if one of our bros or sisters get lied to and hurt we dont sit and defend....

and we wouldnt sit and ignore.

Some of these claims are very questionable.... played 6 years on a team thats only been formed since 2008.

I noticed it weeks ago and ignored it.... but the stuff going on here got me to post.

Especially when i hear untruths being defended and in the same breath talking about folks here being hurt by lies and DECEPTION.

Is it ok or isnt it folks? Is there good deception and bad deception?

Which is acceptible?

Not one single person has defended lying or deception. If she is lying about how much weight she lifts she only hurts herself. Don't believe her if don't want to.

A perfect example of irony and contradiction: claiming not to care about what someone posts, but obviously caring enough to ask why other people care. Perfect.

show of hands.....how many people have never told a lie or made a fool of themselves? fact: some of us do it repeatedly until the self-respect light comes on. yep. self-respect. has nothing to do with the audience and everything to do with thinkin you're not good enough as you are.

there are lots of nice people who used to be serious idiots. i spent decades of my life being a f*ck up and i'm never gonna be anything other than a person who used to be a f*ck up. hell i coulda made a damn profession outta being stoopid. sometimes it takes half a lifetime or more to learn basic human being sh*t, believe it or not. if owning that means that i cant become a better person in your eyes then by all means, click the 'ignore' option next to my name. i'll help you point the cursor.

so sick of the 'i'm better than you because i dont tell lies' attitude. tell lies all you want. i might not trust you with everything but i'll always look to understand the reasons why you lie because there's information there that will help me understand something about you and maybe learn something myself. but publicly deride others for their humanity, weaknesses and short comings and i wont bother trying to understand your reasoning. i already know it:

- a liar thinks they need to be better than they are, so they lie. it's sad but it's usually fixable.
- the sanctimonious already believe they're better than everyone else and they're out to prove it. gotta be careful tho. that holier than thou sh*t can be permanent if you're not payin attention.

I certainly see a lot of contradictions all right.

I care about how new and young people are treated here- not one of our strong points. As I say, until I see any reason not to, I will cut them slack. I don't care for lying or deceit of any kind, but if they aren't endangering others it is their problem to deal with.

Hi, Daywalker.

No, I haven't been aware of seeing any of those things on the threads.

And there were only a couple times when I thought there was intentional fabrication designed to manipulate readers in a potentially malicious way—and I reported it.

But the vast majority of the time, I take things at face value. Your post makes me wonder if I'm not a critical enough reader.

Thinking about it.
Scout

Hey, Bulldog. Not talking about this thread in particular but in a general way—

I have to respectfully disagree.

I think lying and deceitfulness violate a tacit agreement on online forums that people will represent themselves authentically.

If I invest time and thought and emotion into building online friendships and comradery with people on a social website, I will feel tricked and used if their side of it was fictional, while mine was not.

It's like I'm naked, and they have all their clothes on—but were pretending to be naked. If that makes sense. Probably not.

Let me try again.

I don't want to be used as an audience for someone's need to be something other that who they really are.

It disgusts me. I would tell them, Go jerk off to some other reader.

And it's okay that you and I have such different views on it, I just wanted to say mine.

Thanks,
Scout

If I feel someone is liar I wont engage with them. I don't form any sort of emotional investment with them.

I have known of many people who have misrepresented themselves on these forums, some in minor ways and some in major ways, some for many years. There is never any excuse for it, but I am under no illusion that the majority of people represent themselves here authentically. Some do. Some people I do know personally and although the online world doesn't completely do them justice, they are real and authentic people.

Kobi, interesting theory. Personally I don't think high school boys would pose this way or know enough about butch femme. I can't imagine why someone would say they were happily engaged to their high school sweetheart if they wanted to pull the rug over on the whole forum. I would think we would see Super Stud Single Butch. Shrug. Who knows.

Hopes the glass is half full....
 

I disagree. When someone comes into a community and lies and deceives, it's a problem, and shouldn't be ignored. All societies socialize their members.

However, that wasn't really my issue. I posted that the thread seems self-serving and self-congratulatory. when Stephie said that wasn't the intent, I asked for clarification of the intent by making a thread out of this, rather than just posting a comment in another thread. Stephie has chosen not to respond, which is certainly Stephie's right, but it doesn't help me change my opinion if it is, indeed, a misunderstanding on my part.

LOL she starts threads every time she has a thought. I don't think she quite gets the navigation system- so on that one point I do think you are over thinking.

Keep on beating at this if you want to. I see worse problems on this forum that are more important of my attention, and there is lots of lying and shitty behavior that happens all the time.

:deadhorse:

Negative attention is still attention, folks.

Interesting
 

First, your body fat percentage is simply the percentage of fat your body contains. If you are 150 pounds and 10% fat, it means that your body consists of 15 pounds fat and 135 pounds lean body mass (bone, muscle, organ tissue, blood and everything else).

A certain amount of fat is essential to bodily functions. Fat regulates body temperature, cushions and insulates organs and tissues and is the main form of the body's energy storage. The following table describes body fat ranges and their associated categories:

*General Body Fat Percentage Categories


Classification Women (% fat) ............. Men (% fat)



Essential Fat 10-12% ................ 2-4%



Athletes 14-20% ................ 6-13%



Fitness 21-24% ............... 14-17%



Acceptable 25-31% ................ 18-25%



Obese 32% plus ................ 25% plus


*American Council on Exercise

Knowing your body fat percentage can also help you determine if your weight loss goals are realistic. Remember, weight loss doesn't always mean fat loss. For example:

Let's say you're a 130# woman with 23% body fat, and you goal is to "lose 20 pounds":


Initial body fat: 130# x 0.23 fat = 30 # body fat

Lean body mass: 130# total - 30# fat = 100# lean body mass (bones, organs and all else)

Goal: 130# - 20# = 110 pounds

As you can see, the goal of losing 20 pounds is not realistic or healthy. At 110 pounds, this woman still requires 100# of lean body mass (bones, organs, etc.), but would only be carrying 10#, or only 9% body fat. From the chart above, you can see that this is a dangerously low percentage.

A better goal might be for the woman to reduce her body fat from 23% to 18%. In this case:


130# x 0.18 = 23 # body fat

100# lean body mass + 23 # = 123# goal weight

So, for this individual to achieve a lean, but healthy 18% fat, she would need to lose only 7 pounds of fat, reducing her weight from her current 130 pounds to 123 pounds. Losing more than 7 pounds means losing lean body mass (usually metabolically-active muscle tissue), which is clearly not desirable.

So before you decide that you need to "lose weight", remember to consider that "weight" consists of both lean body mass and body fat. Try to keep your weight loss goals realistic, and remember, keep the calorie-burning muscle, and lose only the fat.

Source: Health Check Systems

okay, i only read part of this thread because my head started to hurt.

i came in here to say...assuming what you say is true because i like to believe the best of people...i am so so happy for you that you're meeting your body and athletic goals.

but i've also had an eating disorder for half my life and i lost my period and put my body in severe danger by having too little body fat (and the amount of body fat one needs for women is higher than for men). i was at my sickest when i was most athletic (i'm a dancer). i didn't mind losing my period but i mind now the long-term damage to my reproductive system, bones, and metabolism.

i'm not saying you have an eating disorder, but for any woman, having body fat % that low is really dangerous.

please please take care of yourself.

Gee, last time I looked I didn't ask for anyone's permission to post in threads, but thanks for granting yours. Furthermore, according to you, there are worse problems that are more important of your attention, yet, here you are, commenting about my involvement in THIS thread. Did I miss something?

LOL thee Almighty BullDog was not granting you any permission. Eyeball roll.

EDIT: I am really going to try and make this my last post here because this is truly ridiculous.

I see a new young person that as far as I know is a young 23 year butch. I think what a difference it would have made if I could have found a butch femme community at that age, and I hope for the best and give the kid some slack.

If it turns out she is not who she says she is, I will fill a twinge of sadness and my life will go on. She will not have harmed me.

It really, really does bother me how a part of our community treats new and young people here. It really, really does not make me feel good.

I am done.

Yes but at least it does so in that cute alien-ish voice, like mine does when it tells me I haven't quite reached my goal. LOL

okay, i so wanted a wii fit til i read that :P that's hysterical! and mean. i think i'd probably beat it up. and then eat ice cream.