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Soft*Silver 06-12-2017 08:59 PM

I dont believe in soul mates, persay. I believe we have connections from other times, either spiritually and/or genetically (there is a belief our past life memories are actually genetic memories we carry over in our genes

I do believe that some of these connections are larger than average love. But I believe thats because of the measure of the people, not that its a cosmic miracle.

I love large. I give it everything I have. I have had a few give back to me the same way. And some, well, missed their mark. But thats ok. I am loved SO well now and love this Love so deeply...

I no longer ponder if there is a god, or how big the universe is, or if there are soul mates. I live and love as tho the universe is ever expanding and let my love live up to that example to whoever I love at the moment...

BullDog 06-12-2017 09:48 PM

I don't necessarily believe specifically in the concept of soul mate for myself, but I have had some amazing, intense, out of this world connections with certain people - both romantic and platonic - that will always stay with me.

For me, true love is a decision and a commitment and not just a feeling. It encompasses the intense, the passionate, the uncanny and sometimes unexplainable connection with someone and evolves into something much more. It is moving past infatuation into love and staying there and allowing it to grow and growing along with it with your beloved. Love that stands the test of time, that is what truly matters to me.

Gráinne 06-12-2017 11:07 PM

The short answer: No, not really.

The long answer: I do believe we have souls. I don't believe that we're "missing" someone, or have another "half" of us out there somewhere and we have to search around for that. I'm complete, right now, don't need a mate of any kind. (Whether or not I want companionship is a different story, but that's a want, not need.)

I don't really believe in a soul mate meant to stay in your life forever. Yes, I realize there are couples married for 60 years, and I don't know how to reconcile my belief to that. Maybe it's different for each person. Anyway, for me, I believe that certain people come into our lives to teach us something, to help us grow, or to somehow impact our life. Once that's done, they leave. Not always, but that's my experience. And "leaving" isn't necessarily a bad breakup, more like a recognition that you're at a crossroads with different paths.

So to me, we have "soul lessons", multiple, throughout our lives. They're not necessarily a romantic thing.

BullDog 06-13-2017 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Femmadian (Post 942250)
I don't think soulmates exist. I find the alternative is much more romantic.

For me, I think the concept of soulmates can be very seductive in that it kind of absolves us of responsibility for looking after our relationships, sticking it out in the tough times, trying to understand the aspects of our partner we might not otherwise want to understand, and it also allows us to more readily wash our hands of someone or something with the idea that "oh, if s/he were really the right one or if this were really the 'right' relationship, we wouldn't fight (or at least not this much) and it wouldn't be so hard. I guess we're not really 'meant to be.'" I think it also keeps us in relationships or with people with whom we otherwise might not (or should not) remain.

I think it's far more romantic to not have the belief in a soulmate but to give it a go anyway despite all the odds. To recognize each other's flaws, wake up each and every morning and make the conscious choice to love and be with someone, to acknowledge the fact that those initial giddy, feverish feelings of infatuation will eventually (and quite naturally) fade a bit with time and to be patient and aware enough to see and feel the deep, abiding love which replaces them... to make the decision to create a life together and respect and love each other as best you are able while accepting each other, warts and all... that, to me, is romantic.

I think the sticking point for me with the concept of soulmates (aside from, you know, being an atheist and all) is the idea of choosing vs being chosen. I want to be with someone who chooses me for who I am and what I am to them (and vice versa), how we mesh and who we are as a couple, and to not feel as though they think I was chosen for them according to some ethereal concept that neither of us can really adequately define. I need something concrete, tangible, and real. If you tell me you love me because the stars are aligned and you "just knew" upon meeting that I was "the one"... well, maybe that sounds nice in poetry and it works for some people but it doesn't really pass the smell test for me. If, however, you tell me you love me because you've seen me at my worst, now know my flaws, and you still want to be with me in spite of everything because you still get that ache when I walk through the door, to me that's love.
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I went back to read the earlier parts of the thread, and this is years old but it really did resonate with me.

I believe in true love, I am a die hard romantic, I believe you can have amazing, inexplicable connections with people (both romantic and platonic) and ones where things all seem to click into place. Also, I have always wanted to find my one true love and be with her for the rest of my life.

I also believe love is a choice and a commitment and something you do every day. I can't read anyone's mind or know exactly how someone else thinks at all times. But I can choose to love and choose to value my relationship and nurture it and experience our love as it deepens and grows.

It is a fascinating topic.

Shystonefem 06-15-2017 05:13 PM

Yes, I believe that Soul Mates exist.

That being said, Soul Mates don't have to have a romantic connection.

I have met people where I recognized them, without knowing them.

I think that would mates are people / souls you know on the other side and/or people you have known in past lives.

I think my middle son and I are soul mates because, to me, I feel like I have known him forever, even before he was born.

I also think there is something called Karmic Souls. I believe they are here to teach us a lesson and move on. Some people call these souls Twin Flames. To me, these are the ones that you don't bother with ever again.

Just MHO

pumpndude 09-08-2017 10:25 PM

I definitely believe in soulmates....

I have two soulmate friends and we all know there's something more than
our friendship , their is a heart felt connection or a connection greater than ourselves....

I wish I could find my soulmate future wife or her find me....but if not taking my time and spending a lot of time with my family...:hangloose:

TL1 09-09-2017 07:21 AM

Short answer.... No.

You're young and fall in love and you feel like that person is your "soul mate".

It doesn't work out.

Later.......

You fall in love and you feel that's your soul mate.

Doesn't work out.

I believe in love and happiness. Love can feel very intense and powerful. I believe long term relationships can work. But I do not believe in soul mates.

Tuff Stuff 10-11-2017 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuff Stuff (Post 1013259)
I suppose anything can exist..if you want it to.Many many years ago I believed in Soulmates..I truly believed he (yes He) was out there,somewhere.Do I believe he is still out there?,no..Do I believe she is out there?,no.
All I know is that I need love...and whoever offers me the kind of love i'm looking for,well,that's my soulmate.

What is love?...You Are There for Me.

Make sense?

Have I soften up since? or gotten harder?? *shrugs*
I guess i'm back to believing in Soulmates.I married for love,and that's what I got..but something is still missing.

imperfect_cupcake 03-10-2018 02:34 AM

Depends on how you define Soul Mate.

Does it mean "someone who understands me, loves me, clicks with me, and sticks by me for decades"? then yes. I have a few of those. They are friends I've had for over 30 years. Also, my half brother, who died about 17 years ago.

I don't personally believe in souls so the definition has to be explained to me in a different way... someone who gets the core of me? touches deep parts of me? loves them? Well, I'd say most of my partners *DID*. Just because it wasn't for ever doesn't me the love was fake. I really loved them. They really loved me. They totally understood and got me. It was just our dynamics that didn't work. Our behaviours and patterns and acting out. So who's to say ALL of them weren't?

My ex wife I loved more than all of them put together, though. But is intensity of feeling proof of ... what? Still didn't work because of dynamics. Nothing is perfect.

My friendships have taken a lot of work over 30+ years and a lot of patience and eyerolling and just letting things be and accepting shit or it won't work. And knowing when to work and when to just let it be.

I believe in chemistry, imprinting when young, social imprinting in your core group as you come of age, understanding things as a teen and early 20s seems to really "sit". I still carry the core beliefs of that - that's why I'm still friends with my friends.

And why I don't "click" with mainstream north american socially conservation traditional beliefs around romance and dating. I wasn't raised with it, so I don't "get" it. I was only introduced to it when I went gay and started dating American butches.

So when I meet those who "get" that same view point as me that *don't* come from my back ground, and they share my irreverent humour... I get excited we are working with the safe platform and understanding - that click.

Soul mate... being understood, respected, loved, "gotten", with shared vision/values. Yeah, luckily, I've had several. :) and many are my friends

girl_dee 03-10-2018 05:42 AM

i’ll know in the end.

kittygrrl 03-10-2018 10:18 AM

imperfect cupcake, said it perfectly, (for where i am)at this point, in my life :tea:

cutegrrl 03-10-2018 11:31 AM

This article may be helpful...

https://www.elephantjournal.com/2016...or-twin-flame/

AmazonDC 03-10-2018 11:43 AM

I sure hope so .. other wise whats the point.. I do enjoy the journey ...

AmazonDC 03-10-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cutegrrl (Post 1200912)

great article ty for sharing

homoe 03-10-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cutegrrl (Post 1200912)

I did enjoy this article HOWEVER unless I missed it, it really doesn't tell us how WE can really distinguish between the two in our mind. I'm sure at least some have thought the karmic relationship mate was our soulmate.

~ocean 03-10-2018 12:17 PM

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referring back to my original response # 22 ~ I still feel the same way to me it's a spiritual connection ~ not always romantic ~ mate is 1 of a matched pair ~ sounds like friendship as well : to me. lol it seems to be just as hard to find that special soul friend as it is in a spouse ~ appreciate who has or will be in your life ~ however long we have together is a gift :) there's nothing in the words soul mate that indicates physically together forever ~ the soul owns that ~ " a wink and a smile wanna mate " ~

PlatinumPearl 03-10-2018 12:30 PM

Soulmates exist
 
Everyone has a Soulmate and we can have more than one in a lifetime.

Some would say that Soulmates are an important part of our journey to self-actualization, to becoming our most genuine and authentic self which will help you grow and evolve into your fullest potential.

When you meet your soulmate, you will have a sense of ease and comfort, like you have known them in a past life. Those that have met their Soulmate have the belief and have said they were fated to be together.

A Soulmate can take the form of friends, lovers, even family members. The energetic connection between soul mates is more powerfully felt than with others.

So, yes, they do exist and you probably already have met more than one. :stillheart:

A Twin Flame is very rare! and Spiritualists will say not everyone will get to meet theirs in this lifetime.

cutegrrl 03-10-2018 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1200918)
I did enjoy this article HOWEVER unless I missed it, it really doesn't tell us how WE can really distinguish between the two in our mind. I'm sure at least some have thought the karmic relationship mate was our soulmate.



"As the theory states, twin flames were separated from one soul source in the beginning of time and split into two physical bodies.

There is a mirror like quality when we come into contact with our twin flame—everything that we have spent our lives running from or denying is suddenly in front of us.

These types of lovers confront us with our very fears and ego driven desires, but they aren’t just about what’s inside, they’re about how we interact with every facet of our life.

Not all of us will be reunited with our twin flame, but if we are, it has the possibility to be that once in a lifetime—ain’t nothing ever gonna be the same—type of love.

There will be challenges and fears present, without a doubt—there will be phases of running and chasing, depending upon the spiritual and personal development of both individuals.

But regardless of any of these challenges, it is possible to reunite and stay with our twin flame—although it is speculated that only occurs in one’s last lifetime here on earth.

Regardless of what type of romantic relationship we find ourselves in, there will be obstacles and challenges that have the potential to assist us in our growth and evolution."




A twin flame is one soul split in half and in two bodies. You will know when you meet your twin flame because that person will be a mirror of yourself. A twin flame relationship is not easy for obvious reasons.

imperfect_cupcake 03-10-2018 02:17 PM

Well... Since time started in this particular universe 13.7 billion years ago, as far as we know right now (could change), and the planet is only 4.5 billion years old... and single cell life started 3.5 billion years ago (something to put souls into), that must have been a bit of a wait.

So I guess under that definition of one thing splitting into two and thus only one other that is also me - No. I don't believe that at all, as a literal definition.

however, if it's meant as a metaphor as those who feel like mirror selves - yes. I do know that sensation. I've had it twice. And both times it was terrifying/awesome/electric/crazy: when I met my half brother and when I first got together with my ex-wife.

Losing both destroyed me in different ways. Zack dying felt like the person who was supposed to be with me my entire life without question, with friendship, loyalty, understanding, my male twin... left. Just buggered off. Thanks for that. I felt totally abandoned by him dying. I felt utterly alone in a dimension I can't articulate because no one had ever occupied that space before.

And when my ex-wife left, I fell apart. Because she also felt like a mirror. A butch me, a butch me from a different world. She seriously got me in ways only long term best friends did and she just got there instinctively.

So yes, in the metaphoric sense sure.

But literal? No, because I don't believe in that mythology.

Signmypapyrus 03-10-2018 04:22 PM

I was talking with a friend of mine who has his PhD in evolutionary biology: technically no animal is monogous. Humans have constructed that narrative to fit romanticized ideals. That being said, I also know shamans who live with animals who have emotionally filfulled lives with animals (do the animals reciprocate? Who knows). Lichen live symbiotically so... I don’t believe in soul mates, but I wonder how we project (or orient?) desire due to our own existence in the world.

The closest thing I’ve had to the definitional soul mate was a horse I had. I don’t personally want a human soul mate.

girl_dee 09-24-2018 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by girl_dee (Post 1137270)
Nope unless you consider my dog, who i think is my soulmate.

i may have to retract my previous statements on this subject.

WheatToast 09-25-2018 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by girl_dee (Post 1226039)
i may have to retract my previous statements on this subject.

The first part is to set the stage for my beliefs about soulmates:

I follow Quantum Physics and other spiritual sciences, and I believe every human is made up of 1/4 brain/intellect; 1/4 heart/love & emotions; 1/4 physical body and 1/4 soul--which is our headquarters for spiritual guidance.
Some call their soul God, or others call it higher power, Jesus, Moses, Allah, the Almighty, the creator, Yahweh, The Holy Spirit, Lord, Brahman, Buddha, Ganesha, Shiva, Vishnu, Muhammad, HaShen (G-d), and native Americans may call it Gitche Manitou.
The spirit quadrant can become spectacular and immeasurably helpful to our lives, and all you have to do to enlarge it is express gratitude to God when you pray or meditate, and don't ask for shit like he's Santa. Instead of, "God, I want a new Lexus." You say, "God, please give me the guidance I need to get a new Lexus. Thank you. Amen."

The human functions smoothly in life when all four squares are equal in strength, but when we get tired and run down, the intellect and body go haywire, then we get emotionally fussy and we forget all about the spirit quadrant, the place where we can go and say, "I can't, God can, I'm gonna let him handle it."
I think a lot of us function on a higher plane at times (psychics, telepaths, healers, shamans, some clergy members, native Americans, clairvoyants, clairsentients, gemstone healers, and people with extra sensory perception. (ESP or Sixth Sense).
In Quantum Physics, we all are made up of tiny particles that blow out of our bodies and go back into the universe when we die. The info stored in the particles survives.

A soulmate is someone who comes along and communicates with you on a higher plane, which excites your spirit and basically ups your spiritual game.
Because we humans can simultaneously function on lower planes, even when spirit is present, often when the psychic vibration (soulmate) appears, we think, "She is going to be such a hot fuck!"
And though she may be good in bed, her mission is actually the process of stimulating your spiritual quadrant, because that quadrant has some mad skillz with blessings, strength of character, faith, compassion-- the more we learn about the free stuff available from spirit, the more tools we get for living harmoniously.

I've been blessed with many soulmates. It's also called, "spirit meeting spirit."
Once I was in Dallas, marching with a huge crowd in their Gay Pride parade. Through the throngs of people, I noticed a woman who was so handsome she was beautiful. She had a profile like a Greek God.
It turned out she was a big mover and shaker in the Dallas gay community, and I'd heard of her but never met her. Still, I walked right up to her and said, "This may sound weird but I'd like to tell you about your life from today to the near future. Do you mind?" She wasn't shocked at all, because it was spirit meeting spirit. She said, "Sure."
I told her that her partner (the great granddaughter of a U.S. president and richer than King Midas) was overshadowing her and it was getting to the point where it would have to result in a split. And though the prospect of walking away from the Governor of Texas Lesbians may be daunting, she would soon break it off. Her life would soar to the heavens once she was free, I said.
I got a postcard from her a few weeks later-- and everything came true. I was her soulmate for the time it took to march the parade route. I haven't seen her since.

When a new couple meets and get sexually involved right off the bat, and that phase peters out quickly but they stay the best of friends platonicly, they are probably soulmates.

That too-friendly ex of your latest girlfriend who's always hanging out with your girl--she's what I call a disruptive soulmate. She is functioning from a lower plane if she notices how her presence causes drama between you and your girlfriend, and shrugs it off.
She doesn't want her back sexually, but she and your girlfriend cannot function without occasionally trading some sizzling, electrified, metaphysical particulants.
A strong psychic connection can stimulate all the body' chakras, so that feeling of having so much psychic energy can blow that root chakra wide open. Be careful.

Simply put, a soulmate comes along to stimulate your spirit, and to receive the same from you. It is highly exciting, but the person may be on a short mission and can disappear quickly, so cherish her for as long as you can.

And don't get it twisted, you naughty girls.:hk14:


Elisabeth Strelii gewidmet, mein Seelenverwandter, werde ich nie vergessen.

Greco 10-08-2018 09:28 AM

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"I believe some people are less connected then others."

Greco

WheatToast 10-09-2018 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Greco (Post 1227281)
"I believe some people are less connected then others."

Greco

Most definitely!
Here is all I know for sure, and it doesn't have to be true for all.

1. I believe I have a soul.
2. My soul has met other souls, and we communicated on the plane, so I consider them soulmates.
3. Soulmates come and go.
4. I met a woman a long time ago and fell deeply in passionate love. I thought she was my soulmate, but I was mistaken. I also thought passion was love. I was mistaken there, too.
5. The moral of the story is:

A. Passion is nice
B. Love is nice.
C. Soulmates are nice.
But they are not the same things, and they're all usually separate from each other.

~ocean 10-09-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by WheatToast (Post 1227381)
Most definitely!
Here is all I know for sure, and it doesn't have to be true for all.

1. I believe I have a soul.
2. My soul has met other souls, and we communicated on the plane, so I consider them soulmates.
3. Soulmates come and go.
4. I met a woman a long time ago and fell deeply in passionate love. I thought she was my soulmate, but I was mistaken. I also thought passion was love. I was mistaken there, too.
5. The moral of the story is:

A. Passion is nice
B. Love is nice.
C. Soulmates are nice.
But they are not the same things, and they're all usually separate from each other.



I agree ~ I never confuse aching loins ( passion ) with love anymore lolololol

girl_dee 10-09-2018 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ~ocean (Post 1227390)
I agree ~ I never confuse aching loins ( passion ) with love anymore lolololol

Aka a lustmance!

kittygrrl 10-09-2018 01:02 PM

there are heart things which leave an indelible mark on your soul and however you try to remove it, it remains steadfast & true.

WheatToast 10-09-2018 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ~ocean (Post 1227390)
I agree ~ I never confuse aching loins ( passion ) with love anymore lolololol

My loins are troublemakers!:jester:

FireSignFemme 10-09-2018 05:49 PM

Troublemakers should be punished.

WheatToast 10-09-2018 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FireSignFemme (Post 1227432)
Troublemakers should be punished.

apparently many join you in that assessment. :|

Greco 10-09-2018 09:08 PM

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So very True.

Greco


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Originally Posted by kittygrrl (Post 1227402)
there are heart things which leave an indelible mark on your soul and however you try to remove it, it remains steadfast & true.


~ocean 10-10-2018 12:42 AM

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JDeere 02-15-2019 11:19 PM

I now know yes they do exist, except in my world, soulmates do not mean who you are married to, dating, etc.

My dog is one of my soulmates, my best friend from high school is my soul mate.

There are different forms but all in all, the form is LOVE!

cathexis 02-17-2019 01:14 AM

Yes, soulmates exist, and I was very lucky to have found Her 25 years ago. We tell people when they ask us that we not only love one another, but are still in love which are two different sets of emotions.

My Partner and I will celebrate our Silver Anniversary together this coming September.

cutegrrl 08-11-2020 03:26 PM

Bumping this thread...

Orema 08-12-2020 12:34 PM

I don’t think we have soul mates but I’m not sure. And it doesn’t bother me either way. I’m able to live a good life even if I don’t meet my soul mate, if one exists.

I think the chances of finding a soul mate among so many chioces is almost impossible.

And if there are soul mates I wonder if we’re limited to one?

I guess I have more questions than answers.

Stone-Butch 08-12-2020 04:05 PM

Soulmate
 
I don't know if there is or not. I hope if there is I find her before this trip is over. Sounds like a nice thing.

MaddieRobbie 08-31-2020 03:30 PM

Soulmate?
 
I never really warmed up to the term "soulmate". Reason is - and this is strictly my opinion - it surrenders too much of a relationship to fate. I believe in chemistry, in the joy of being known, and sharing a deep, unique connection - plus a little bit of luck - but after those things we need to work really hard to keep it alive.

"Soulmate" always seemed too passive to me. Or an excuse to not stick around and see where things could go with someone, you know?

~ocean 08-31-2020 06:38 PM

I do believe in a soulmate ~ if your lucky enough to have one in your life . My personal opinion is that a soulmate has no boundaries ~ it's that one person you can be totally be uninhibited with ~ the comfort zone is a feeling that's required and enjoyed by both people. A love that's never questioned ~ it's just there . That desire you have knowing that your love emotionally and physically is sexy ~

kittygrrl 08-31-2020 08:26 PM

Do they exist? yes
Will i recognize her? depends
Do i have more then one? hopefully:praying:


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