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Corkey 11-12-2012 09:05 PM

The White House has a disclaimer on it's petition site, they may or may not get back to them. Under the Constitution citizens have a right to petition the government, that doesn't mean the government must respond.
Although it would be nice to see how they put the rejection letter out...

Kobi 11-12-2012 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 699062)
Secession petitions filed in 20 states
By Mike Krumboltz, Yahoo! News | The Lookout – 7 hrs ago


In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.
States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

LINKYLOO




Is up to 27 states now.

Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Ohio, Michigan, Misssissippi, Missouri, Montana, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn, South Carolina, Tenn, Texas.

Lots of unhappy people.


Corkey 11-12-2012 09:44 PM

It could very well be all 50, it is just the sore losers coming out of hiding. Nothing will come of it because none will be allowed to leave the union.

Kobi 11-12-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 699110)
It could very well be all 50, it is just the sore losers coming out of hiding. Nothing will come of it because none will be allowed to leave the union.


So you think this is election related?

I was thinking it is more reflective of a growing states rights thing i.e. the war on womens reproductive rights was state legislature driven, governors refusing monies for planned parenthood, governors refusing to set up the insurance exchanges under Obamacare, legalization of pot in Colorado and Washington in defiance of it being a class one banned substance under federal law, Arizona and other states setting up their own immigration policies etc.

Kind of miffed my state isnt there yet. Paul Revere must be turning over in his grave.

Corkey 11-12-2012 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 699137)

So you think this is election related?

I was thinking it is more reflective of a growing states rights thing i.e. the war on womens reproductive rights was state legislature driven, governors refusing monies for planned parenthood, governors refusing to set up the insurance exchanges under Obamacare, legalization of pot in Colorado and Washington in defiance of it being a class one banned substance under federal law, Arizona and other states setting up their own immigration policies etc.

Kind of miffed my state isnt there yet. Paul Revere must be turning over in his grave.

That is what the elections were all about. It is the red states, read (racists) attempt at dissolving the union, like they tried before. Yes it is an attempt to make the President look weak, and yep they are all nuttier than a cashew on crack.

Kobi 11-12-2012 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 699142)
That is what the elections were all about. It is the red states, read (racists) attempt at dissolving the union, like they tried before. Yes it is an attempt to make the President look weak, and yep they are all nuttier than a cashew on crack.


To some degree that may be the case - except those petitions are not all from red states.

Calif, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, NY, NJ, Nevada, Oregon, and Penn are blue states.


Corkey 11-12-2012 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 699145)

To some degree that may be the case - except those petitions are not all from red states.

Calif, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Ohio, Michigan, NY, NJ, Nevada, Oregon, and Penn are blue states.


Racists live in all states, their fearless leader batshitcrazy Rush and Beck are on the air waves in all 50 states.

Martina 11-12-2012 10:35 PM

Have all the cool people move out of Texas (what, like a tenth of the population) and move all the tea party racists from other states into Texas and let it secede. Can you imagine how mean-spirited and angry that place would be. Let em hate on each other.

Whenever a gay kid self-identifies, he or she is given the choice to leave the country of Texas and come to us. There will be loving chosen family and friends waiting to welcome her or him.

Kobi 11-13-2012 12:46 AM

32 and counting.......
 


Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Ohio, Oklahoma, Michigan, Misssissippi, Missouri, Montana, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn, South Carolina, Tenn, Texas, Utah, Wyoming.

My favorite petition is:

Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.



TexasCowboi 11-13-2012 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina (Post 699150)
Have all the cool people move out of Texas (what, like a tenth of the population) and move all the tea party racists from other states into Texas and let it secede. Can you imagine how mean-spirited and angry that place would be. Let em hate on each other.

Whenever a gay kid self-identifies, he or she is given the choice to leave the country of Texas and come to us. There will be loving chosen family and friends waiting to welcome her or him.


Excuse me?

TexasCowboi 11-13-2012 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 699200)


Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Ohio, Oklahoma, Michigan, Misssissippi, Missouri, Montana, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn, South Carolina, Tenn, Texas, Utah, Wyoming.

My favorite petition is:

Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.




I rather like this idea....

Andrea 11-13-2012 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 699200)


Alaska, Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Ohio, Oklahoma, Michigan, Misssissippi, Missouri, Montana, New York, New Jersey, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, Penn, South Carolina, Tenn, Texas, Utah, Wyoming.

My favorite petition is:

Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.



I wonder if there is a country that would want such people....... <eye twinkle>

Martina 11-13-2012 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TexasCowboi (Post 699224)
Excuse me?

Obviously I am joking, but . . . Texas brought us George W. Bush and all that has meant. I think there's going to be some derision -- for a generation or two anyway. Maybe more.

Seriously, is there a more proudly reactionary state in the union? Texas has had FIVE times, FIVE TIMES the number of executions of any other state.

Texas is an outlier in so many measurements of progress, especially given its great wealth, that it boggles the mind. It's not that it's poor and ignorant. It's rich and determinedly proudly ignorant. I can imagine loving one's home regardless, but conservative Texas is beyond a red state. It really is another country.

The Texas Board of Education has done more harm to high school social science and science teaching -- nationwide -- than maybe any other entity in the U.S. Texas is a huge market, and, in the past, publishers created texts that could be sold in Texas under their laws, texts that deny there is a separation of church and state, that discuss evolution as if it were ONE possible explanation for biological diversity, texts that pretty much ignore the presence Hispanics in the U.S.

As an educator, I have thank Texas so much for wielding that influence.

I googled -- this article is a year old. It quotes another article, from The Washington Post, that I did not bother to look up.

Quote:

"Perry is known in Texas as "Governor Supercuts," not only for his spiffy hairdo, but also for cutting the budgets of schools and poverty programs and holding down wages," writes Texas liberal James Hightower. "In his 10-year tenure, Perry has created more minimum wage jobs than all other states combined, and his superrich state now has more families in poverty than any other."

The Washington Post's Harold Meyerson provides more particulars:

Rick Perry's Texas is Ross Perot's Mexico in reverse, says Meyerson. Through a third world combination of low wages, no benefits, high rates of poverty, scant taxes, few regulations, but generous corporate subsidies in the Texas "crony capitalist" tradition, the Lone Star State has managed to attract businesses from other states "to a place where workers come cheap," says Meyerson.

Texas also boasts a number of other firsts, writes Meyerson:

It is first in the percentage of workers in minimum wage jobs.

It is first in adults without high school diplomas, at around 12% and projected to reach 30% by 2030 if there is not more support given to public education.

It is first in the percentage of medically uninsured adults and first in the percentage of children without medical insurance.

It is first in the number of executions.

It has the fourth-highest rate of poverty of any state.

Confronted with a $27 billion budget deficit this year, Perry did not raise taxes but instead slashed $4 billion from the public schools, Meyerson reports.
Oooo, I read the rest of the article. I like this quote --

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"The failure of the nation to Americanize the South has made it possible for the South, under leaders like George W. Bush (and now Rick Perry) to Southernize the United States," writes Lind.

Lind, who is a Texas native himself, believes that the revival of Southern conservatism is "an aberration" and that white, Protestant fundamentalism will be a shrinking influence in our politics. "Trigger-happy, free-spending, Bible-thumping Southern conservatism" is doomed in the long run, says Lind. "The only question is how much damage it will do before its unregretted demise."
Thank you, Texas.

I have to enjoy the fact that changing demographics are eventually going to turn Texas into one big beautiful blue state, regardless of how reactionary its conservatives are. Looking forward to that day.

Martina 11-13-2012 05:04 AM

AZ woman runs down husband for not voting
 
This conservative did a little more than wring her hands. She ran over her husband with a car.

Quote:

PHOENIX (Reuters) - An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police said on Monday.

Holly Solomon, 28, was arrested after running over husband Daniel Solomon following a wild chase that left him pinned underneath the vehicle.

Daniel Solomon, 36, was in critical condition at a local hospital, but is expected to survive, Gilbert police spokesman Sergeant Jesse Sanger said.

Police said Daniel Solomon told them his wife became angry over his "lack of voter participation" in last Tuesday's presidential election and believed her family would face hardship as a result of Obama winning another term.

Witnesses reported the argument broke out on Saturday morning in a parking lot and escalated. Mrs Solomon then chased her husband around the lot with the car, yelling at him as he tried to hide behind a light pole, police said. He was struck after attempting to flee to a nearby street.

Obama won the national election with 332 electoral votes compared with 206 for Republican challenger Mitt Romney. Arizona's 11 electoral votes were won by Romney.

Oiler41 11-13-2012 06:24 AM

There is always talk of people moving to Canada and Secession after an election. For both, I have but one thing to say:

If you don't like it here in the good old U.S.A. because your candidate didn't win, stop whining about it and threatening to secede; quit making idle threats and get the fuck out and don't come back. There are people lined up around the world who would leap at the opportunity to come here and take your place.

It doesn't matter which political party wins or loses; the other side is going to cry, flail around on the ground, and whimper about leaving the country or seceding. In a few months, it will all pass, as it always does. We live in a free society. If one doesn't like what is happening where they are, they have the right to change that up to and including finding another country to call home. I say quit the foaming at the mouth and get on with it. I will not lose one moment of sleep over anyone threatening to secede or leave the country; it is little more than post-election rhetoric.

Glynn

Martina 11-13-2012 08:22 AM

I honestly have to admire the level of hysterics the conservatives are displaying. The amount of weeping and moaning and gnashing of teeth is impressive. I am enjoying it, honestly.

dreadgeek 11-13-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oiler41 (Post 699258)
There is always talk of people moving to Canada and Secession after an election. For both, I have but one thing to say:

If you don't like it here in the good old U.S.A. because your candidate didn't win, stop whining about it and threatening to secede; quit making idle threats and get the fuck out and don't come back. There are people lined up around the world who would leap at the opportunity to come here and take your place.

The thing I found most beautiful about pseudo-conservatives who thought Romney would win in a landslide saying they are going to Canada is the breathtaking ignorance it displays. Think about it, these people are saying, "A Kenyan, Muslim, Atheist, Marxist, Socialist, has taken over the country and tried to bring European Social Democracy to our nation so we're going to move to Canada which is a nation with a Social Democratic social contract."

You've *got* to love the idea of moving to a *more* left-leaning nation because this country took a few incremental steps to the left.

Cheers
Aj

Linus 11-13-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 699540)
The thing I found most beautiful about pseudo-conservatives who thought Romney would win in a landslide saying they are going to Canada is the breathtaking ignorance it displays. Think about it, these people are saying, "A Kenyan, Muslim, Atheist, Marxist, Socialist, has taken over the country and tried to bring European Social Democracy to our nation so we're going to move to Canada which is a nation with a Social Democratic social contract."

You've *got* to love the idea of moving to a *more* left-leaning nation because this country took a few incremental steps to the left.

Cheers
Aj

I think it's the allusion of the White Christian Man ruling a nation, especially a Conservative. They seem to believe that because the Conservatives are in power somehow we're not as socialist as we are as a nation/culture. :canadian:

dreadgeek 11-13-2012 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 699546)
I think it's the allusion of the White Christian Man ruling a nation, especially a Conservative. They seem to believe that because the Conservatives are in power somehow we're not as socialist as we are as a nation/culture. :canadian:

Well, you know how it is. I mean, when's the last time *you* saw a white man in the halls of American power? I mean, we haven't had a white president in, what, almost four years! It's even worse when you think about Secretary of State. When was the last time a white man held that position? It's been at least 10 years.

Cheers
Aj

DapperButch 11-13-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina (Post 699245)
This conservative did a little more than wring her hands. She ran over her husband with a car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina (Post 699317)
I honestly have to admire the level of hysterics the conservatives are displaying. The amount of weeping and moaning and gnashing of teeth is impressive. I am enjoying it, honestly.

These are separate posts and I know that you weren't saying you were pleased with the woman running over her husband, but reading both of these posts made me think....

...this could have just as easily been us. The strong beliefs and fear that we had that the country would be doomed if Romney took over office is just as strong in Republicans.

I questioned in a post prior to the election the effect of the election results on the losing party...I wondered if there would be an increase in anxiety, depression, etc. for those whose candidate didn't win.

My guess is that this woman truly, deeply believes that things will get worse for her family due to Obama winning, and it just put her over the edge, so to speak.


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