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Greyson 11-13-2012 07:29 PM

Election Results
 
Today I went to the California Secretary of State website to try and analyze election results. What I found surprised me.

There are a total of 59 counties in California. Votes are tallied from each preceint by County. First I looked to see how each County voted on the 11 propsitions on the ballot. To my amazement each of the 59 counties all agreed on each of the 11 Propsitions. Perhaps the percentages of Yes and No votes varied by County but in the final tally of each single vote for the propositions every county had the exact same result. All of the Propostions passed or not, across the board, the same in each County. (I hope this is making sense. The percentages of votes varied but the "pass or fail" was identical statewide.)

Then I took a look at the Presidential vote in each of the counties and it was pretty much what I expected, conservative counties voted in majority for Romney, more moderate and/or Urban Counties voted for President Obama. The exception was Orange County. Historically Orange County votes Republican. This time Obama won in Orange County by a samll percentage.

In the Senate Race, the same. conservative counties voted for Elizabeth Emken, Republican. (In this race Orange County voted in the majority for the Republican.) In the more progressive and/or moderate Urban Areas, Senator Feinstein, Democract won.

Can anyone explain why all counties voted the same on the propositons but not in the nation wide races? Yes, I know propositions are not officially partisan but most of us know which Party supports each Proposition. Thanks for your help.

*Anya* 11-13-2012 09:39 PM

Greyson, I am just trying to wrap my mind around Orange County, CA voting for Obama.

Perhaps the demographic is finally changing but it is still called the Orange Curtain.

It used to be a hotbed of the John Birch Society!

I lived there for 20 years and met more than my share of rabid Republicans.

Linus 11-13-2012 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyson (Post 699765)
Today I went to the California Secretary of State website to try and analyze election results. What I found surprised me.

There are a total of 59 counties in California. Votes are tallied from each preceint by County. First I looked to see how each County voted on the 11 propsitions on the ballot. To my amazement each of the 59 counties all agreed on each of the 11 Propsitions. Perhaps the percentages of Yes and No votes varied by County but in the final tally of each single vote for the propositions every county had the exact same result. All of the Propostions passed or not, across the board, the same in each County. (I hope this is making sense. The percentages of votes varied but the "pass or fail" was identical statewide.)

Then I took a look at the Presidential vote in each of the counties and it was pretty much what I expected, conservative counties voted in majority for Romney, more moderate and/or Urban Counties voted for President Obama. The exception was Orange County. Historically Orange County votes Republican. This time Obama won in Orange County by a samll percentage.

In the Senate Race, the same. conservative counties voted for Elizabeth Emken, Republican. (In this race Orange County voted in the majority for the Republican.) In the more progressive and/or moderate Urban Areas, Senator Feinstein, Democract won.

Can anyone explain why all counties voted the same on the propositons but not in the nation wide races? Yes, I know propositions are not officially partisan but most of us know which Party supports each Proposition. Thanks for your help.

Are you sure? The OC Register said this:

http://www.ocregister.com/sections/elections/president/

PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT
Orange County California Precincts Reporting 100%
100%
Barack Obama - D
44.2% 385,963 59.1% 5,581,902
Mitt Romney - R
53.6% 467,901 38.6% 3,645,245
Gary Johnson - L 1.2% 10,598 1% 98,890
Jill Stein - G 0.4% 3,440 0.6% 57,788
Roseanne Barr - P 0.3% 2,429 0.4% 36,974
Thomas Hoefling - A 0.3% 2,218 0.3% 27,105

Greyson 11-13-2012 10:18 PM

Anya and Linus,

Below is the link which I was reading about 7:30AM this morning. I know I was shocked. I remember when the old saying about Orange County was "Behind the Orange Curtain."

Okay, I was on my second cup of coffee when I read this, or thought I did. Do either of you have an idea about all of the counties agreeing on each proposition?

Thanks for your input, seriously.

http://vote.sos.ca.gov/

Toughy 11-14-2012 12:12 AM

I would have fainted dead away if Orange County had voted Obama.....

Greyson my friend....I'm not sure what you mean about the Propositions vote because if you go here: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/...sures/prop/34/ you will find that 11 of 59 counties voted yes while the rest of the counties voted no. For those who don't know a yes on Prop 34 would have abolished the death penalty (yes CA has the death penalty) and instead made it life without the possibility of parole. It failed 53% no to 47% yes.

Prop 30, 32, 33, 34, 37, 39 also had counties voting yes and no.....that is 6 of the 11 Propositions.

I am confused by your question.

Martina 11-14-2012 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 699732)

...this could have just as easily been us. The strong beliefs and fear that we had that the country would be doomed if Romney took over office is just as strong in Republicans.

Well, yes, there would have been a lot of dismay, but I think it's a little different. I think on some level the conservatives are aware that their time as the big bully on the block is over. Seriously, I do think the election marks the end of the so-called culture wars. I think the conservatives got to flare up big in the primaries and were slapped down in the general election. They know what the demographics mean. In addition, they have used gay rights propositions cynically to get the white vote out so that their candidates got a boost. This time gay marriage won. It's a sea change. Not just Obama winning.

These are white people, sometimes well off people, having to face the fact that they may never be the force they were in this country. (BTW, I have no idea whether the driver of that car was white. Speaking in general). They are enraged. The tone is different than it would be for us. Even though Obama is the encumbent, even though the Democratic Party is in less disarray than the Republican Party, the fact is that historically the people currently represented by the Republican Party have held much more power in this country than those represented by the Democratic Party. They still do.

But they couldn't buy this election. That's one amazing thing. And demographics are changing. The culture is changing. Young white evangelical males are not even as conservative as their parents on some social issues, like gay rights. The misery they are feeling is not just because they lost an election. They truly see that the future is not theirs. They do not know what to do with themselves, they are so pissed off.

And that's why I am gloating. Not just because the other side lost.

Kobi 11-14-2012 07:44 AM


I am a big believer that history repeats itself over and over, and it gives us such an opportunity to learn. Also helps temper our perceptions into a more realistic range:

Don’t get cocky, Democrats: The post-Romney GOP looks just like you did two decades ago


Why Obama is surely facing a second term riddled with scandal and upheaval


People are not simple beings. They are very complex, very unpredictable, very fickle, and very self absorbed. Yet, they are also gullible, malleable, easily manipulated given the right message.

Kind of what makes the game of politics so fascinating.

Anyone want to take bets on the winner of the 2016 presidential election? I'm betting it will be a reformulated but still racist, sexist, white Republican male. And, he will win by a landslide. History indicates that is exactly what will happen.




Martina 11-14-2012 11:25 AM

That's party shit. The fact is that white male people will never ever hold the power they once did in this country barring some kind of change in civilization a la The Handmaid's Tale.

It was all I could do not to sing out loud to someone I know, "It's the end of the world as you know it. It's the end of the world as you know it. It's the end of the world as YOU know it. And *I* feel fine."

*proudly dancing on the grave of the moral majority and nothing anybody can say or do is going to muffle one little bit my BLISS*

I have lived through Reagan, Bush and W. Clinton was more Republican than Nixon in many ways. He sold poor people down the pike with welfare reform and has talked for years about that with pride. He knows better. I have forgiven him, but his Presidency did not feel like much of a relief from the Reagan ideology that has prevailed most of my adult life.

It's a new day. It really is. We are going to raise taxes on the RICH. OMFG.

*It's the end of their world as they know it . . . . . . *

Kobi 11-14-2012 11:45 AM


......Art Linkletter would be proud......

Any adults wish to make a bet on the 2016 presidential election?

Greyson 11-14-2012 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 699938)
I would have fainted dead away if Orange County had voted Obama.....

Greyson my friend....I'm not sure what you mean about the Propositions vote because if you go here: http://vote.sos.ca.gov/returns/maps/...sures/prop/34/ you will find that 11 of 59 counties voted yes while the rest of the counties voted no. For those who don't know a yes on Prop 34 would have abolished the death penalty (yes CA has the death penalty) and instead made it life without the possibility of parole. It failed 53% no to 47% yes.

Prop 30, 32, 33, 34, 37, 39 also had counties voting yes and no.....that is 6 of the 11 Propositions.

I am confused by your question.


Hi Toughy and all you other politco junkies. I really do not have the time to go back and take a look at the site right now. I have an unexpected dental emergency going on right now.

Honestly, I am almost afraid to go take a look. I studied it for about two hours yesterday morning and if I misinterpretted what I thought I was reading, well maybe I need to get some sort of medical evaluation. My apologies to all of you.

Martina 11-14-2012 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 700144)

......Art Linkletter would be proud......

Any adults wish to make a bet on the 2016 presidential election?

Why would Linkletter be proud?

ADULTS??? What would that mean?

Martina 11-14-2012 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 700144)

......Art Linkletter would be proud......

Any adults wish to make a bet on the 2016 presidential election?

Ooooo, I googled. "KIDS say the darnedest things" is your allusion. And then the ADULTS comment.

Kobi, being passive aggressive is not too mature. Just sayin.

Corkey 11-14-2012 03:52 PM

I loved the Linkletter, but he was old fashioned, grew up watching it.
Dance all you want Martina I'm sure some of us would join you.

Okiebug61 11-14-2012 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 700144)

......Art Linkletter would be proud......

Any adults wish to make a bet on the 2016 presidential election?

I say Rubio, Christie, Jeb Bush are all being looked at by the GOP.

I understand all eyes are on Hillary's final call when she leaves as SOS.

Kobi 11-14-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martina (Post 700242)
Ooooo, I googled. "KIDS say the darnedest things" is your allusion. And then the ADULTS comment.

Kobi, being passive aggressive is not too mature. Just sayin.


Passive aggressive indicates a clandestine form of communication for those who are unable or fearful of expressing their feelings or thoughts in a direct manner.

I am actually pretty straightforward, and pretty darn clever, and use humor and imagery well. ;)


Martina 11-14-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 700265)


I am actually pretty straightforward, and pretty darn clever, and use humor and imagery well. ;)


Lawd. *shakes head and displays a hint of a smile*

Kobi 11-14-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Martina (Post 700269)
Lawd. *shakes head and displays a hint of a smile*



(f)

I think I'm growing on her......

albeit perhaps like mold on wet sheet rock......

but its progress.......

:jester:

Kobi 11-15-2012 01:46 PM



Is anyone else following some of the more entertaining petitions on the whitehouse.gov site?

My favorite funnies....at least I hope they were meant to be funny......

1. Establish new legal system of motorcycle riding "Judges" who serve as police, judge, jury, and executioner all in one.

2. Allow United States Military service members to place their hands in their pockets.

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the bonds of service to the United States military, this regretful termination of service to this great nation is often precipitated by inane uniform and personal conduct policies.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all uniforms have pockets and hands fit perfectly inside them, and they sheathe our knife hands gloriously. It must be acknowledged that placing one's hands in one's pockets is not a sign of disrespect, but a precautionary action to prevent injuries.

Therefore, these undeniable truths being told, the service members of the United States military respectfully request the President of the United States to restore our sacred right to place our hands in our pockets -- on or off duty.

3. provide University graduates ability to trade their diplomas back for 100% tuition refunds.

Because of the inability of recent college graduates to find gainful employment in order to repay their college debt, and since this college debt cannot be eliminated in bankruptcy, and most of the recent additions to the job market have been in service related industries, the Obama administration should take up the cause of reducing college debt and hold those accountable responsible.

In the name of Consumer Protection, recent college graduates should have the ability to return the diploma and not make any reference to receiving education from the college in exchange for a 100% refund of college tuition. This may be extended with a graduated (ha, get it?) reduction for the last four years, with a red line at January 20, 2008.

4. have the President to attend a Fark.com party. If scheduling does not permit, at least have a beer with Drew Curtis

Too many serious petitions on this site asking the President to work his butt off. We believe that he should have a chance to have a good time.



BullDog 11-15-2012 04:29 PM

I'm too busy following the latest idiotic moves by John McCain. He's so concerned about Benghazi and wants Watergate-like hearings. Plus he will do whatever is in his power to block Susan Rice from becoming Secretary of State. Meanwhile he was too busy ranting in front of cameras at his press conference yesterday that he missed a classified intelligence briefing on a Senate committee he's serving on. It was a three hour briefing with testimony from officials from the State Department, the Pentagon, the CIA and the National Counterterrorism Center about Benghazi. Apparently there was a "scheduling error."

He calls the Whitehouse administration incompetent and Susan Rice not very bright. This from the man who picked Sarah Palin as his running mate and voted for Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State despite all of the untruths she passed along from the Bush administration, whereas Susan Rice was not involved in Benghazi and was just the messenger based on CIA briefings on what was known at the time. Yeah he's real concerned about Benghazi.

Corkey 11-15-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BullDog (Post 700905)
I'm too busy following the latest idiotic moves by John McCain. He's so concerned about Benghazi and wants Watergate-like hearings. Plus he will do whatever is in his power to block Susan Rice from becoming Secretary of State. Meanwhile he was too busy ranting in front of cameras at his press conference yesterday that he missed a classified intelligence briefing on a Senate committee he's serving on. It was a three hour briefing with testimony from officials from the State Department, the Pentagon, the CIA and the National Counterterrorism Center about Benghazi. Apparently there was a "scheduling error."

He calls the Whitehouse administration incompetent and Susan Rice not very bright. This from the man who picked Sarah Palin as his running mate and voted for Condoleezza Rice for Secretary of State despite all of the untruths she passed along from the Bush administration, whereas Susan Rice was not involved in Benghazi and was just the messenger based on CIA briefings on what was known at the time. Yeah he's real concerned about Benghazi.


The man is clearly out of his mind, and off the brink.


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