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dreadgeek 07-02-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 143027)
I actually did not mean to do this at all, I knew full well it was Belly's post. I feel terrible for the slip. And do apologize. I do remember reading both you and Belly's posts in one sitting... and I just typed Aj. You certainly do not need to tell me that Belly is one hell of an intelligent woman.



I would have preferred that you did PM me as this was just a slip of names due to knowing you as a couple and nothing more. A human error. Your comments about taking femmes and feminist ideology to me seems a bit off as I am a rock solid feminist and one of my Master's Degrees is in Women's Studies as well as my doctorial dissertation was on sex-roles and women's oppression (back in the day). As a woman and a feminist, and past professor of feminist and women’s studies, I certainly do take us seriously.

This was a simple error without any ill intent whatsoever and I did not think you wrote the post. I just mixed-up names, that's it.
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I did not mean to imply that you were not a feminist and I didn't necessarily think it intentional. I appreciate your owning it and certainly would defer to you on questions of feminist theory.

Belly pointed the post out to me and I had seen it earlier in the day but every time I went to respond, the phone rang. Because I've seen femme's dismissed in ways both blatant and subtle, this seemed as good a time as any to point out one manifestation of this. It was not meant as a personal attack and my statement of feminism was not meant to convey any impression that I didn't think you were a feminist.

All theory aside--and theory is important--I think that my feminism most comes alive in how I treat other women. It is the most concrete expression of it. I hope that in how I engage with people here I treat the femme's in our midst as I treat my fellow butches. I hope that the femme's feel that I take them and their thoughts seriously because to me those are the beginning and end of feminism--as a personal ethic--for me. Everything else is commentary.

Again, no offense was meant.

Cheers
Aj

AtLast 07-02-2010 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 143224)
I would have preferred that you did PM me as this was just a slip of names due to knowing you as a couple and nothing more. A human error. Your comments about taking femmes and feminist ideology to me seems a bit off as I am a rock solid feminist and one of my Master's Degrees is in Women's Studies as well as my doctorial dissertation was on sex-roles and women's oppression (back in the day). As a woman and a feminist, and past professor of feminist and women’s studies, I certainly do take us seriously.

This was a simple error without any ill intent whatsoever and I did not think you wrote the post. I just mixed-up names, that's it. [/COLOR][/FONT]

I did not mean to imply that you were not a feminist and I didn't necessarily think it intentional. I appreciate your owning it and certainly would defer to you on questions of feminist theory.

Belly pointed the post out to me and I had seen it earlier in the day but every time I went to respond, the phone rang. Because I've seen femme's dismissed in ways both blatant and subtle, this seemed as good a time as any to point out one manifestation of this. It was not meant as a personal attack and my statement of feminism was not meant to convey any impression that I didn't think you were a feminist.

All theory aside--and theory is important--I think that my feminism most comes alive in how I treat other women. It is the most concrete expression of it. I hope that in how I engage with people here I treat the femme's in our midst as I treat my fellow butches. I hope that the femme's feel that I take them and their thoughts seriously because to me those are the beginning and end of feminism--as a personal ethic--for me. Everything else is commentary.

Again, no offense was meant.

Cheers
Aj[/QUOTE]



[COLOR="Black"]Oh, I see your point and feel terrible for the blunder. I certainly also have seen countless dismissals of femmes on these sites. Although, I honestly do feel the Planet is much more feminist-friendly, really. And mods pick up on sexism far better than the old site. Does feel different to me. So much so, I left the other site completely. Not that I do not appreciate the fact that it did connect me to some fantastic people.

Absolutely how women treat other women is crucial!

Now, I have been thinking about the topic at hand in terms of how many other states and municipalities have been developing more such pieces of legislation based upon... the Federal government isn't doing its job.

It appears that the GOP is doing the usual legislative blocking of all things Democratic with actually getting somewhere with immigration reform. I'm glad Obama pointed this out recently and that a bill co-authored by McCain was kicked to the curb a couple of years ago.

I know so much about all of this go no where until after the mid-terms and if the GOP does pick up seats and the House reverts to a GOP majority, this will be even more of a mess. And the fact is that we do need sane, compassionate immigration reform. The Dems must hammer out the fact that the population of un-documented immigrants already in the US are staying! And a means for them to become legal (and citizens if that is what they desire) is critical in demonstrating that the US does indeed have a stake in having these people become part of the country in every way.

My only hope is that the Latino population is the fastest growing group of voters coming up. There needs to be a big voter registration drive going on and not just in border states. Latino candidates need to be supported (guess I do want that to be Democratic candidates!). This really needs to be a mass social movement. This can’t just keep going on.[ I feel that the amnesty variable is a major sticking point among the GOP and wing-nuts like the tea-baggers. It has to be taken on!

The fact is, there are many, many, many people that believe that the US should round up every illegal person in the US and ship back to their country of origin. They have no problem with spending the billions that would involve. They won't even talk about any other portion of immigration reform without this contingency! Crazy as it is! I'm not even talking about the crazzies here- there are countless middle of the road people that sit on the side of those people are here illegally, period./COLOR]



My own take on dealing with this in order to see immigration reform is for studies of just how the Latino populations that received amnesty during Reagan's administration have contributed to the the US. They began a life with not fearing authorities, thus stopped hiding and put $ in banks, got leases for homes, or even bought a home as their jobs were secure. They started businesses that contribute to the tax base, etc. They pay taxes, go to PTA meetings and take care of their family. Their children became educated and have been able to enter the professions. Now their children are doing the sam. Many did not have the need to engage in any illegal activity to survive. Crime decreased within this population. We have the single most forceful data in front of us to shut down those that want illegals deported right in front of us and we are not using it. And this goes to a major sticking point blocking reform.

The_Lady_Snow 07-02-2010 03:08 PM

Let us mobilize and make this day count mi raza!! "Day Without Latinos in America" - Economic Boycott!! "No Mas" - "No More"

"Day Without Latinos in America" - ECONOMIC BOYCOTT
Location:The WHOLE United States of America
Time:12:30AM Thursday, July 8th

The_Lady_Snow 07-02-2010 03:10 PM

Arizona to Spend $250K on PR to Combat Negative Immigration Image
 
With the state of Arizona in the brink of financial meltdown and a separatist image, the ignorant, bigot successor Arizona governor allocating $250K to combat negative state image!! The damage of this beautiful state has been done and no PR Campaign will change neither sugar coat the racist agenda of the white, angry, hateful GOP!!




SuperFemme 07-02-2010 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 143516)
With the state of Arizona in the brink of financial meltdown and a separatist image, the ignorant, bigot successor Arizona governor allocating $250K to combat negative state image!! The damage of this beautiful state has been done and no PR Campaign will change neither sugar coat the racist agenda of the white, angry, hateful GOP!!





maybe if the raised the fine for beheadings?

The_Lady_Snow 07-02-2010 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperFemme (Post 143532)
maybe if the raised the fine for beheadings?


I know my mother and I did a few, here lemme show ya..


:|

SuperFemme 07-02-2010 03:49 PM

the last beheading i was invited to was saddam hussein. oh. wait.
white men beheaded him.
my bad.

AtLast 07-02-2010 04:18 PM

[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzDlN7VLmXQ"]YouTube- Brewer to Obama: Warning Signs Are Not Enough[/nomedia]

Brewer is so nuts!!!

UofMfan 07-06-2010 11:38 AM

Justice Department To File Lawsuit Challenging Constitutionality Of Arizona Immigration Law

BOB CHRISTIE | 07/ 6/10 12:52 PM | AP


PHOENIX — The U.S. Justice Department is filing a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Arizona's new law targeting illegal immigrants, setting the stage for a clash between the federal government and state over the nation's toughest immigration crackdown.

The planned lawsuit was confirmed to The Associated Press by a Justice Department official with knowledge of the plans. The official didn't want to be identified before a public announcement planned for later Tuesday by Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano, a former Arizona governor.

The lawsuit will argue that Arizona's law requiring state and local police to question and possibly arrest illegal immigrants during the enforcement of other laws such as traffic stops usurps federal authority.

The government will likely seek an injunction to delay the July 29 implementation of the law until the case is resolved.

The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, although the punishment and enforcement tactics of the Arizona are much more severe.

Tuesday's action has been expected for weeks. President Barack Obama has called the state law misguided. Supporters say it is a reasonable reaction to federal inaction on immigration.

Prior to seeing the lawsuit or receiving any official notification, Gov. Jan Brewer's spokesman called the reported decision to sue "a terribly bad decision."

"Arizona obviously has a terrible border security crisis that needs to be addressed, so Gov. Brewer has repeatedly said she would have preferred the resources and attention of the federal government would be focused on that crisis rather than this," spokesman Paul Senseman said.

Three of the five Democrats in Arizona's congressional delegation, who are facing tough re-election battles, had also urged Obama not to try to block the law from going into effect.

"This lawsuit is a sideshow, distracting us from the real task at hand," Democratic Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick said in a statement Tuesday. "A court battle between the federal government and Arizona will not move us closer to securing the border or fixing America's broken immigration system."

The law requires officers, while enforcing other laws, to question a person's immigration status if there's a reasonable suspicion that they are in the country illegally.

Arizona passed the law after years of frustration over problems associated with illegal immigration, including drug trafficking and violent kidnappings. The state is the biggest gateway into the U.S. for illegal immigrants, and is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

Obama addressed the Arizona law in a speech on immigration reform last week. He touched on one of the major concerns of federal officials, that other states were poised to follow Arizona by crafting their own immigration enforcement laws.

"As other states and localities go their own ways, we face the prospect that different rules for immigration will apply in different parts of the country," Obama said. "A patchwork of local immigration rules where we all know one clear national standard is needed."

The law makes it a state crime for legal immigrants to not carry their immigration documents and bans day laborers and people who seek their services from blocking traffic on streets.

The law also prohibits government agencies from having policies that restrict the enforcement of federal immigration law and lets Arizonans file lawsuits against agencies that hinder immigration enforcement.

Arizona State University constitutional law professor Paul Bender said the federal government's involvement throws a lot of weight behind the argument that federal law pre-empts Arizona's measure.

"It's important to have the federal government's view of whether state law is inconsistent with federal law, and they're the best people to say that," Bender said.

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unprecedented and unnecessary."

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.

"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.

Linus 07-06-2010 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 146297)

Arizona passed the law after years of frustration over problems associated with illegal immigration, including drug trafficking and violent kidnappings. The state is the biggest gateway into the U.S. for illegal immigrants, and is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

This section is interesting since crime in Arizona is at it's lowest and the amount of deportation of "illegal immigrants" is at it's highest. What ever happened to non-partisan reporting?

UofMfan 07-06-2010 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus (Post 146302)
This section is interesting since crime in Arizona is at it's lowest and the amount of deportation of "illegal immigrants" is at it's highest. What ever happened to non-partisan reporting?

Mainstream media has been partial for years now. This is why I read a lot of non-mainstream media to balance things out.

Gov. Brewer was quoted as saying that "illegal immigrants" have been decapitating American Citizens in AZ so this law is really needed.

I swear, makes me wonder who in their right mind doesn't see the racism behind this.

Linus 07-06-2010 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 146304)
Mainstream media has been partial for years now. This is why I read a lot of non-mainstream media to balance things out.

Gov. Brewer was quoted as saying that "illegal immigrants" have been decapitating American Citizens in AZ so this law is really needed.

I swear, makes me wonder who in their right mind doesn't see the racism behind this.

It's because of their "right mind" that they don't see it. :|

UofMfan 07-06-2010 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linus (Post 146323)
It's because of their "right mind" that they don't see it. :|

Hahaha probably!

Linus 07-07-2010 06:36 PM

*GASP* Someone got it! http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-down-arizona/

I do like Politifact as they check everyone, regardless of party and will slam those who don't get it.

Quote:

During the roundtable discussion on This Week, Hunt told host Jake Tapper: "I must say, John McCain, in his interview with you, Jake, that was extraordinary to say that crime is up there. He's talking about Mexico. Crime is down in Arizona. Every single academic study that's been done shows that immigrants commit fewer crimes."

AtLast 07-07-2010 08:05 PM

Boycott news....
 

options Posted on Wed, Jul. 7, 2010


Arizona gov. cancels border meeting after boycott
MICHELLE PRICE

The Associated Press

PHOENIX - Gov. Jan Brewer has called off a September border conference in Phoenix due to Mexican governors' objections to Arizona's tough new immigration enforcement law, though some officials are discussing holding the annual gathering elsewhere.

It was Arizona's turn to host the 28th annual U.S.-Mexico Border Governors Conference for four U.S. governors and six from Mexico. But Brewer said Wednesday the meeting was canceled because the Mexican governors planned to boycott it.

Brewer said she was disappointed about the boycott and hoped the governors of New Mexico, Texas and California would support her decision.

"The people of Arizona and the people of America support what Arizona has done," Brewer said. "For them to basically not attend here because of that, I think is unfair."

However, the governors of New Mexico and California are trying to go ahead with the conference in another state, with or without Arizona's participation, spokesmen said.

In a June letter, governors from the Mexican states of Baja California, Coahuila, Sonora, Chihuahua, Nuevo Leon and Tamaulipas said Arizona's new immigration law violates civil rights and has provisions based on ethnic and cultural prejudices. They suggested relocating the conference to a different U.S. border state.

The New York Times reported the cancellation of the Arizona conference Wednesday.

The Arizona law takes effect July 29 unless blocked by a court. It requires police officers, while enforcing other laws, to check a person's immigration status if there's a "reasonable suspicion" the person is here illegally. The law does not define reasonable suspicion, but police training materials say triggers for such checks can include speaking poor English, traveling in a crowded vehicle and hanging out in an area where illegal immigrants typically congregate.

Brewer, who denies that the law promotes racial profiling by law enforcement, said the conference would have been a good opportunity to discuss the Mexican governors' concerns.

"I just think it's a shame that they have responded this way," she said.

New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson thinks Brewer lacks the authority to cancel the conference and was surprised by her decision, said spokesman Gilbert Gallegos.

Richardson, a Democrat, still wants to hold the conference and is looking for another location, Gallegos said.

New Mexico could host the conference but that could be expensive, so ways to reduce costs are being considered, he said.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a Republican, thinks the meeting is a valuable time to work on border issues and also wants to go ahead with it, said spokesman Francisco Castillo.

"He is proud of the success they have accomplished over the years to tackle their shared challenges, and he looks forward to continuing the dialogue this year at an alternative site," Castillo said.

Schwarzenegger has not offered to hold the event in his state, and Castillo said he doesn't know yet if the governor will offer to host it. California was host to the meeting in 2008.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican, would welcome meeting with any border governors to discuss common concerns but thinks staging a September conference at this point is "probably not feasible, regardless of where that would be held," spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said. "That does take quite a bit of planning."

Brewer said she isn't ruling out attending the conference in another location, but her attendance would depend on when the meeting is held.

,,,

Associated Press writer Paul Davenport contributed to this report.

http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/a...erboycott.html


Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/a...#ixzz0t3JIr6Sx

The_Lady_Snow 07-16-2010 06:45 AM

APNewsBreak: NM hosting border meeting AZ canceled



The_Lady_Snow 07-16-2010 06:47 AM

Ariz. immigration law hearing ends with no ruling



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100715/...rizona_lawsuit


UofMfan 07-16-2010 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 154124)
Ariz. immigration law hearing ends with no ruling



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100715/...rizona_lawsuit


This is to be expected, it will be a while before a ruling is made :|

The_Lady_Snow 07-16-2010 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UofMfan (Post 154151)
This is to be expected, it will be a while before a ruling is made :|


Sucks huh?

I really really dislike Brewer.

What about all those wacka nuts who are donating money to defend the law...

Scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UofMfan 07-16-2010 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 154154)
Sucks huh?

I really really dislike Brewer.

What about all those wacka nuts who are donating money to defend the law...

Scary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


And the other States that joined them? I swear, the more I read these things the less I miss the States.


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