Here's my thing about outsiders pontificating on celebrity relationships

Do you know these people personally? Or are you basing all of your 'knowledge' on what you see in the media?

Who's to say she's not a raging maniac bitch? Who's to say she's not controlling, manipulative evil heinous?

This is something that just always bugs the crap outta me. It started with that whole Hugh Jackman incident (is that the one who hired the hooker a few years back?)

Just because a woman is deemed attractive and successful and "America's Sweetheart" (this year) doesn't mean she's All That.

I mean, I'm not condoning cheating, but for realz, this Poor Sandy crap is just over the top.

And The Poor HughJackman'sWife (whatever the hell her name is) crap was over the top too.

"Oh, my god, how could anyone cheat on Sandy"...well, maybe she's evil. We don't know, we don't have to live with her. We get to see her *acting* face whenever she's filmed or shown walking down the street, or drinking a cup of coffee. She makes her money off of presenting a Fabu Demeanor. For that kind of money, I'd smile at people too. But behind closed doors, we don't know what goes on.

How do you know she's brilliant? Seriously? How do you know she's got a million things going for her? How do you know she's not heinous to live with?

What? Cuz they dress her up all pretty and shit, and make her sparkly?

Does that mean un-gorgeous women *deserve* to get cheated on? I just don't get it.


And On Top Of That...Who The Hell Cares If Jesse Fucked Every Woman In The Country? Who Cares Who Tiger Fucks? WHY Is This Even News?,
Dylan...seriously hates the "How Could Anyone Cheat On Someone I Don't Know" crap

I can't believe you just compared the Wolverine with Hugh Grant. :furious:j

Hugh Grant: http://www.psychologytoday.com/files...vine_Brown.jpg

Hugh Jackman: http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/famec...-wolverine.jpg

Eh, Hugh Grant, Hugh Jackman...same person...equally unmemorable

They're all the same and no one will remember either one of them 50 years from now...unless one of the goes crazy like Howard Hughes

I just don't care about celebrity bullshit, and I don't understand why this country cares more about gossip than actual news


Oh Wait, I'll Now Try To Fit In..."Gasp, Poor Sandy...I Just Wanna Send Her A Hug In A Basket",
Dylan

P.S. Thanks for adding the pictures tho...that really helps. I DID like the Wolverine movie. Can't name anything else he's been in tho. And I can't name one movie Hugh Grant was in.

Deliver it in person, she has a house in your hood. :fastdraq:

Oh trust me...we know. I think it's a rule in Austin that you have to know every celebrity who owns property here.

And she's now part owner of a downtown, yuppie bakery too <eyeroll>

Just to tarnish her "America's Sweetheart" reputation for a minute, she also refused to sign autographs for disadvantaged kids one day while downtown at the courthouse


That Doesn't Sound Very Sweet,
Dylan

P.S. Sometimes, I wanna just push Lance Armstrong off his bike

Celebrity opinions about politics, who they have sex with and whether or not they have an addiction of any kind is not my business nor is it interesting.

Politician opinions about politics, who they have sex with and whether or not they have an addiction of any kind is my business and I care about that a lot. There was a discussion on FB about do gay celebrities owe it to the community to come out? I don't think they do unless they want to. Politicians do have a responsibility to be out. If they are lying they should be outed.

I'm too lazy to go find the Tiger Woods thread again, but I certainly got a good chuckle over Tiger's announcement that he will be rejoining the PGA tour to play in the Masters. I should have set my egg timer on that one. That is what his public apology was about, lol.

Whether Sandra Bullock is nice or not nice, what does that have to do with whether or not she deserves to be cheated on or whether anyone should feel badly for her? What does it matter if someone is considered good looking or "plain?" No one deserves to be cheated on.

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Jesse James IS a big old douche though. Can't argue that.

See here is the thing...

One can be in a monogamous relationship and things may change, illness or something that may cause one person to not fulfill the other.. I would think that if mah boo came to me said..

"sugar, our sex is just not cutting it for me, and well I was thinking we could open up our relationship to poly........" If I was not able to fulfill my cuddly bear I would want them to be happy yes? No sense in cheating, sometimes monogamy can't be fulfilled, *I* don't think monogamy is structured, for if it was.....

We would not have this thread....

See

The boy told me he was a douche bag.....

What a dick.......

Snow said *cuddly bear*. :superfunny:

Yup, this can happen..... and if a partner wants to open it up, OK. Have to say, this wouldn't be true for me. Its about mutual agreement and I wouldn't agree to this. We would be working on our sexual relationship and go into counseling to do this.

The other thing that I need to say is that there are many ways to deal with illness and disability and sex. They are not mutually exclusive and I find this line of thinking to be part of a pervasive able-bodied privilege that exists.
Also, many of us take seriously the in sickness & health part of vows that we take. And there are many ways to be sexually fulfilled.... I would hope that sexual incompatability would have been recognized and dealt with at the beginning of a relationship.

Then, again, sex is much more than a physical experience for me.

You left out Wolverine and the hooker.

This thread has been interesting, and I knew EXACTLY what you meant, but then another person posted, and another and another and now here we are. :pile:

If Poor Ol' Sandy had cheated on Jesse, I highly highly doubt ANYONE would be defending Jesse and asking "OMG! How could Sandy do such a thing...she's not a REAL woman. Jesse's got sooooooo much going for him. He's hot, he's brilliant, he's a strong man blah blah blah. Sandy just needs to 'woman up', because blah blah blah"

No one would be sending Jesse a Huggie Basket

But I'd bet money on what WOULD happen.

Jesse would still be made out to be a dick who had treated Sandy badly, and DROVE her to cheat. Jesse would have driven ApplePieSandy into the arms of another man.

When a man cheats on a 'beautiful woman' (and looks are just about all a woman's whole character is based on in this country. If she's pretty, well then "she's got a million [nameless] things going for her and she's brilliant" everyone said the same thing about that Hurley chick when Hughy cheated...oh, and where's her career today?), ohhhhhh my god the whole world crashes down, and people have to ask, "How could he cheat on Sandy/Elizabeth Hurley/whothefuckever" Ahhhhhh, but when a woman cheats on her husband, we either don't hear about it at all, because it's not big news, OR (usually), the man drove her to cheat by being such a big dick. Or there were some (excusable) extenuating circumstances (Christie Brinkley, anyone?)


Double Standard,
Dylan

It's those damned sheeple bracelets that make me wanna push Lance off his bike

Oh, and he dated that whiner, and all of Austin had to hear about the star couple 24/7


Can't Stand Him, And I Don't Care If He's Shooting Steroids,
Dylan

Dylan, I don't agree with you about the double standard. If anything women are held to a much higher standard, otherwise they are deemed to be a "slut" or worse. Oh and women do pay a very high price when they are thought to be cheating- often with their lives. See Martina's posts.

Everyone thought Leanne Rhymes was a double douche for cheating on her hubby with a married man. Nobody sent her a huggy basket.

Cheating is shitty. Regardless of gender, and I think normally men get more of a pass on it than women do.

I do agree there is a huge double standard in perception, but people need to know that women cheat just as much.

Maybe women are sneakier?

Yeah. Supporting Cancer Patients/Research is super fucking annoying. Live Strong, but live Quietly I always say.

I didn't even hear about this.

But I couldn't turn on the radio or television without hearing about Sandy and Tiger or Hughy

Were there text messages? Were there 'reports' of *hundreds* of men she'd cheated with? Were people suggesting she step out of her career and give up singing? Were people commenting when she put out another record (like, "Pfffft, of course she wouldn't give up her entire career for being a philanderer...told ya' so"...like they are with Tiger?)

Were her emails being posted all over the news and selling for big bucks?


Dylan

Women are held to much higher standards when it comes to sexuality and "morality." I can't believe anyone would even question this. It's so glaringly obvious.

Boys will be boys- how many times have we heard that?

HA! Nice try.

I'm all for supporting causes. I'm not down with donning a stupid piece of plastic to show what a mindless follower I am, just cuz Lance Armstrong asked me to and tossed out a catchy slogan he didn't even coin. It's the mark of sheeple. And then, of course, we have to have the different color swatches of plastic now, because every other organization had to follow suit (like what? sheeple) to get their piece of the sheeple pie too.

I feel the same about those stupid ribbons all over everyone's bumpers right now.


Nice Try On The Guilt Trip Though,
Dylan

I think Pink Ribbons for Breast Cancer and the Live Strong bracelets raise awareness. Sales of those items go towards research.

Most people know at least one person affected by some sort of cancer, which makes it personal.

So I disagree with you that it is *sheeple mentality* to participate in such awareness raising campaigns. For the most part, I think it's the opposite and quite personal.

No Guilt Trip,

Done derailing

I agree, to me it is very personal. And to have to read the very dismissal of the things that, yes even if corny and bothersome to people, have contributed to savings millions of lives, makes me a little angry.

How did we get from infidelity to this?

PS: I met Sandra Bullock in person, and she is even nicer than she appears on the screen. My opinion of course, we are all entitled to have one.

Somehow we ended up going from infidelity to celebrity transgressions.

Then we crossed the bridge to "those poor guys" and how do we know they weren't forced to cheat? Because men always get the shit end of the stick when it comes to cheating.

Then my head exploded.

Again.

Who was questioning the sexuality and morality of women?

There is a much bigger double standard when women cheat on their husbands, and especially celebrity women.

I mean, you're here giving Tiger a hard time because he's not going to give up his career. We even had a Tiger Woods thread to discuss the whole (private) matter. Yet, I don't remember a thread about the LeAnn incident. Had there been a thread, I might have even known that she'd cheated (although, I still wouldn't have cared). When LeAnn cheated were you giving her the same gruff about her career? Did you roll your eyes when her next CD came out?

Was the husband hot? So hot he didn't deserve to be cheated on (because when it comes to celebrity cheating, apparently looks are the final deciding factor in whether or not someone 'deserved' to be cheated on)? Were there a bunch of outsiders stepping up to say how they'd have "treated him right" because he's so hot and brilliant and couldn't possibly ever do anything mean-spirited?

And to tie this back to Queerdom, because I could give a good rip about straight celebrities cheating on one another...we can see these exact same attitudes played out in ButchFemmeDom...even including the same commentary.

Butch cheats: oh, how could anyone cheat on SoAndSoFemme? She's got so much going for her. I wouldn't do that (even though I don't know her from Adam or Eve). ThatButch is such a dick. SoAndSoFemme is so hot. ThatButch needs to move out and blahblahblah

Femme cheats: Wow, ThatButch must be such a dick. I wonder what ThatButch did to deserve that.

I have yet to hear that either one should give up their careers though.


Have To Get Offline Soon,
Dylan

I never gave Tiger a hard time on cheating. His press conference was an apology to his sponsors and a way for him to participate in this year's major tournaments. I said that then, and I said that now. I think he's a slime for lying and cheating (if he did cheat- since I don't know what he and his wife may or may not have agreed upon). I would think his wife was a slime if she cheated on him. I would think my next door neighbor was a slime if she cheated on whomever.

I missed the LeAnn incident. I'm not a big country music fan and don't watch tv, so I miss most of the celeb gossip.

I don't see the double standard within butch femme circles either. A lot of times a butch femme couple is two women, btw or two females,- one is butch and one is femme (not always of course)- so why would straight man/woman "standards" even apply. Anyway, I don't think cheating is viewed too kindly in butch femme circles whether it's a femme, butch, FTM or other gendered person doing it. I don't see the outcry being much different than within lesbian circles (where it is two women).

Again I say if people handle their business with honesty and respect then there are no problems.

j

Amen Sistah! Emphasis on *people*. :sheep:

I am madly in love with my honey. I swore I'd never do marriage again, yet I took the leap with hym and feel like hy is the best thing since hair clippies.

I would die a thousand deaths if suddenly everyone in our circle starting coming forward with proof of not just one affair, but multiple affairs. That horrible feeling you feel when everyone knows but you.

I'd leave hym in a hot second. We have not negotiated anything other than monogamy at this point. So yeah, I feel for Sandra Bullock. I feel for Elin Woods too, but think she should be glad Tiger kept mum about her attack on him. Violence is never okay.

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You know the thing that bums me out about all of this is that gossip is incredibly painful. Having your private life broadcast to everyone is painful. It happens to lots of people besides celebrities. You don't have to be famous for people to get a big thrill about talking about you. The past year I have been the subject of gossip. People I trusted and told things to then went out and shared my business with other people. That has affected my kid who is an innocent bystander in all of this. It has affected my partner who asked for none of this. Jews call it lashon hara or evil tongue. So whether it is a famous person or the lady at work or your neighbor it is all bad.

Unless the person is an elected official who is representing me and making decisions about my life none of it is my business. Even if they are famous. Even if they take advantage of that fame to promote their own agendas.

I'm sorry that happened to you. The kids are the biggest victims in highly publicized cases because that stuff is all over the interwebz forever. It is absolutely none of our business. You are so right.

It's the media that is ridiculous, not the consumer so much. I love the way people demand a statement, apology, what not. The media is paying 30k for the dirt from the parties involved....so yeah. It's kind of like a car wreck you can't look away from sometimes.