No need. I'm sure I picked it up from someone somewhere at some point... :*

hello
 

i have been told by several women that the pheromones play a big part in the attraction......
one in particular said she actually got a little woozy when i first started coming around, and she couldn't quite put her finger on it......:sunglass:

i think it has a lot to do with the personality, confidence, and attitude.
just because someone is attracted to one FTM, doesn't mean that they like all FTMs
conversely, one can be attracted to femmes and stumble upon an FTM or Butch that "does it" for them.

i am just glad to have admirers, being a leo and all, it warms the little cockles of my heart.................:byebye:

uh huh, doesn't everyone?

cockle 1 (ˈkɒk ə l)

— n
1. any sand-burrowing bivalve mollusc of the family Cardiidae, esp Cardium edule ( edible cockle ) of Europe, typically having a rounded shell with radiating ribs
2. any of certain similar or related molluscs
3. short for cockleshell
4. a wrinkle or puckering, as in cloth or paper
5. a small furnace or stove
6. cockles of one's heart one's deepest feelings (esp in the phrase warm the cockles of one's heart )

— vb
7. to contract or cause to contract into wrinkles

i still think it's all the cutesy puppies and animals you post that lure in unsuspecting femmes with a penchant for cute. <3

however...thanks to you i am again in trouble with my beloved. i may have said "suck my cockles" to him this morning. he's not laughing.

Just a little bump...

Crazy! There is some really fantastic stuff in this thread and some really offensive stuff.

< -- married to a transguy and no I don't feel the need to date bio men in order to validate his gender. He's big and smart enough to do that himself.

passionately in love with a transguy who identifies as straight in some ways and queer in others. and also identifies as butch.

i see my partner as male and i relate to him that way. when i look at him i don't think "female" at all. he does have a strong queer butch energy that i love...and he's comfortable identifying as butch. when we got together he was still at the beginning of his transition and he's still figuring out a lot of things himself. i think if he'd identified as straight to the point that i felt like he also expected me to id as straight or something it may not have worked...but he also has strong ties to the queer community, and he was attracted to me in large part because i'm a queer femme. he doesn't expect me to be any different than that. for me...it's never been a challenge to see him as a man. i cannot wrap my head around how people constantly misgender him. because when i look at him, i see a man. our relationship dynamics and our sex are queer and we like it that way. partly because he is a stone butch and i am a stone femme, our relationship does feel and look different than relationships i've had with cismen. but that doesn't change the fact that i relate to him as a man. one thing that attracted me to him, besides the physical and the fact that he is a hot butch (who is also intelligent, caring, fun to be around, considerate, etc.), is that he affirmed my identity and loved me for who i am (as a queer stone femme). he does not think he is very physically attractive, but i disagree wholeheartedly. he makes me melt. and i'm lucky.

i'm attracted to people of any gender. i tend to be especially attracted to people who id as butch (whether female, ftm, mtf, or other). but i'm also attracted to mtfs, people who identify as other genders, femmes, straight cisguys, etc.

My hubbie's straight and 100% looks, sounds and smells a man. We had a few problems in the beginning. He resented me continuing to ID as a lesbian, while the heterosexuals in his life insisted I should call myself bisexual or straight in order to validate his gender *rolls eyes*

It was only when I pointed out how misogynistic that was, being expected to 'change' my sexual orientation in order to please my man, (it's not like changing your name or style of dress, but an integral part of me that I was born with), then he realised how ridiculous that was. A transguy is like everyone else, if he needs to change his partner in order to be happy, then he has problems and will probably never be happy.

(whew, it took me a little to read through this thread. And I didn't read the "expectations" thread either...)

I can't relate what attracts me to ftm's because I have been with just biomales until I started seeing @ and I never considered ftm until I met him. I never knew any until I met @ and I honestly don't know if I will date others as I am in this relationship for the long run.

You see, I love everything about him. The way he looks, smells, feels, tastes, and (did I get all the senses?) sounds (and his voice is a whole 'nuther story.)
I absolutely love love love living with him, he is everything I love about men without the "unpleasantries" (I am not listing those.) And he is as good of a cook as he is good looking. I am spoiled!

I don't think of him being any more sensitive, as I know a few butches who are outright d*cks (pardon my term) and are less sensitive than some bio males I know. Sensitivity comes with being a good communicator and listener and this is a learned skill, through upbringing or classes.
I (like to think) as a ftm progresses in their transformation and become settled in the body they once hated, they learn to love themselves and are a happier person and are more receptive to listen to others. They are (perhaps) better men because they try to be good men and are secure in/with their manhood. The only insult I ever find (to him) is anyone assuming I am a lesbian because I am with him, as it means they do not see him as a man.

I don't have any expectations of him because he was once female. I find having expectations just sets ones self up for disappointment. But he is forgiving during those times of the month when I feel like poo. Bio guys have no idea what it is like.

One of the chatrooms/forums that I hung out in, when I first started transitioning was primarily for transgendered people, especially for those that were considering transition. There I met an ftm that I later ended up dating. He was the first person that I had dated, since I had started transition.
He was so sweet and caring towards me, that I've had a soft spot for transmen since then. For one thing, I tend to feel a lot safer with them, then I do with cis-males. Also, they have some understanding of the stuff that I've tended to go through, during transition.
I would also date a transwoman for that same reason, if any asked me out.

Ladies.. We want to hear from you..
 

Just a little bump... :fishing:

It's funny that I finally noticed this thread, while I'm watching Love Actually on cable.

It came out in 2003 and I was in love with a transguy then.

I spent the weekend with him before Christmas, and we went to this movie together.

Honestly, one thing I loved about dating him, I guess it makes me sound like a jerk, was the privilege it suddenly restored in my life.

I'm blond and smallish and he's tall and dark and we made a very striking couple. Het couples, especially attractive het couples—attractive according to the most conventional of standards—are treated very, very well in restaurants and bars.

We were always shown to a great table, and strangers told us how nice we looked as a couple.

Someday, I want the world to change, and I want butch-femme, butch-butch, femme-femme, old-young, black-white and non-conventionally attractive couples to be shown the best table in the house, and fawned over, and appreciated.

It's already happening, in some places. I've found some of those places. I want to find more of them.

Close to my heart
 

Island, you do not sound like a jerk & you should never apologize for your feelings. They are truly the only things we own outright that can NEVER be taken from us. I've read thru a lot of the threads & ran into something talking about White Male Privelage. I almost hesitate to voice my opinion here, but it is what it is. I have lived & been accepted as a man for over 30 years. I'm dark haired (Sicilian) & have a serious addiction to blondes. Lol. I never knew what this WMP was as I've lived as a straight man & been with straight women. I also feel no guilt at whatever WMP has afforded me thruout my life. But I have to say, you ending comments about other couples; I never gave that much thought & now I too hope that EVERY couple can enjoy that privelage. Being called a striking couple. Best seat in the house. Treated as all humans should be treated.
Thank you, Island for this response. You promoted a thought process I hadn't had. I appreciate that.

Yes, I can relate. My husband and I look really good together, everyone comments on it. Everywhere we go we get smiles and compliments.

In the beginning I hated it. I felt like society was rewarding me for doing the right thing and dating a man.

Then a few things happened. I suddenly discovered how awful and insidious transphobia can be. I realised how hard it is to keep your mouth shut when people, who see you as a straight couple, let you in on their homophobia. I realise how scary and fragile living 'stealth' can be.

A bit of perspective reminded me that we are indeed still part of the wider queer society and nothing will ever take that away. Nothing except equality for all.

I like their scent, their body language, their walk, the way they think, their individuality. I like the comfort they have in their skin; the comfort that comes of knowing exactly who and what one is because of the work they've done to get there. I like that they appreciate and encourage my girlishness. They are often protective and old fashioned -I like that a great deal. I like that they are inherently different from me - I like the balance that creates in a relationship.

amazing what a year or two will teach you.

I said I would never date a CIS male. And yet, i am involved with one. But, he is also one who is considering transitioning from male to female. But for now, stands male except when with me and my family and friends.

Of course I also said I would never date a femme and I know now I would. He has very femme enery, but is very masculine appearing.

And I said I would never be interested in poly and I would consider it now.

I quit trying to split hairs about gender and orientation. I take people as they want to be taken. I am who I am, as well.

I like what someone said about people resenting she continued to claim she is a lesbian even tho she is with an FTM. I am a lesbian even tho I am with chrissy. he considers himself bisexual.

in saying all this, I am still very attracted to FtMs.

Ok Ladies.. Let us hear from you..
 

Bumpin' this one again... :fishing:

Attractions r whatever u find works for u...
 

I once dated a mtfperson beforeshe had any surgeries. I treated her the same as any other person I ever dated. She decided to tell me on our 1st date. She was uncomfortable about sex & I totally respected her decision. Honestly she was one of the best people I ever dated. She was beautiful, funny, sexy, & more open to discussion than alot of people who are comfortable with their bodies... :-)

What attracts you to FtMs?
 

Just a little bump...

It's an energy thing
 

I can't really explain the attraction in words. It's an energy thing. There's a certain energy trans guys have that I'm drawn to like a magnet. And sometimes I don't even know right away or they don't. I have two exes who have both transitioned but identified as butch women when I dated them. *shrugs and laughs* Go fig!

I, like others, agree that it's an energy thing.

But I also have to say that I have been treated the absolute best out of any relationships by the FtMs that I have dated.

They seem to understand and "get" the June Cleaver lifestyle. They respect it. They don't balk at many of the common courtesies. Doors get held open, chairs pulled back, Ma'am is said...

At the end of the day, it's just who I am attracted to.

I heart the June Cleaver lifestyle and it just FEELS right to hold doors open, etc for a femme... Don't get me wrong... I'm not 'macho' and I do appreciate when a femme does things in return... But there's comfort for me in the 'old-fashioned' lifestyle or the old-school butch-femme dynamic.

I can only speak for myself... but the change in my energy when I began transition was because I finally felt comfortable... I felt like I was finally me... I found my confidence.

Sadly, I let go of my confidence and my identity due to something we are not allowed to talk about in the forums... But regardless of the reason, I have found myself again and have my confidence and energy back.

I need to specify that I am not talking about her holding doors open for me... I mean other things... femme-type things... I don't expect the femme I am with to make me dinner, but if she does I am very grateful and appreciative... I'll even do the dishes! LOL

Hmmmm
 

I'm very attracted to FTM's :)[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

Wish you lived closer...<smile>....

They seem to understand and "get" the June Cleaver lifestyle. They respect it. They don't balk at many of the common courtesies. Doors get held open, chairs pulled back, Ma'am is said...

Yes indeed....it's how I believe it should be....thanks for noticing when we do it...<smile>....

Odd Femme Out
 

Hmm, I am one of those Femme's that's attracted to fella's with Feminist values and are confident in themselves to let me lead the relationship.

That kinda person if fucking HAWT!

That's what I absolutely love about this place, Snow. We can all come in with different likes and dislikes and we all have a place to come and talk about it. That rawks.


Loving That,
Brute.

everybody who keeps talking about and being supportive of a 'june cleaver lifestyle'............

Did any of you actually LIVE during the 50's? I did. It was oppressive, sexist with some misogyny tossed in and certainly the 50's had little to do with June and Ward, Ozzie and Harriet or Father Knows Best. Hell of a time to grow up as a girl........even as a boy

Well, yes I did
 

I'm sorry your life wasn't pleasent then...my family was dysfunctional no matter what decade they were in....lol....but let's just say I miss manners, courtesy, gentleness, education, family time at dinner, less crime, more overall trust & honesty.

At least that is what I experienced. I belive that common courtesy & manners should ALWAYS be exhibited in life no matter what year. I believe that gentlemanly actions & manners are lacking a lot now days....as in common politeness & courtesy.

No the '50's may not have been perfect, you're right.....but, they did have some things I miss now days. It's a shame that these things are referred to as "old time' values & traits.

Jonathan

Ummm
 

Manners, courtesy are not gender nor time specific, I feel that to be a very popular misconception when it comes to the "Cleavers" reference.

I won't even go into the whole racism, classism issues with the Cleavers.