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Andrea 05-02-2012 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aishah (Post 576396)
i thought i might have answered these questions in my earlier posts in this thread, but maybe i didn't. personally, the security practices of tsa don't make me feel safe - they often make me feel explicitly unsafe, actually, because i've been exposed to different kinds of discrimination by tsa due to being disabled and muslim. (i have similar mistrustful feelings towards tsa agents as towards police, though perhaps not as strong.) i worry more about feeling unsafe around tsa agents than i do around fellow passengers, to be honest. even if i were seriously concerned about being harmed by another passenger, i don't believe the current security practices are very effective to prevent that from happening.

as long as i can physically withstand the security and boarding processes, i would fly no matter what security procedures are in place because i need to for work. although it can be painful and aggravating to travel this way, it's nowhere near as painful and aggravating (not to mention time-consuming) as the alternative methods of travel.

not to mention aside from security practices and some of the hardship i go through trying to board/de-plane as a disabled person, i actually really enjoy flying and spending time in airports.

when i say "so-so" or "good" experiences with tsa, i mean that i got through the security checkpoint with a minimum of discrimination and aggravation/pain/suffering. (i.e. i made it through without getting patted down multiple times or in intrusive ways, having my mobility aids and luggage taken from me, or being questioned.) not that i actually think the policies or procedures were terribly good or effective.

Thank you, aishah. You did previously reply to similar questions. I was asking about your more recent travels and should have been more specific.

aishah 05-02-2012 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrea (Post 576517)
Thank you, aishah. You did previously reply to similar questions. I was asking about your more recent travels and should have been more specific.

i think they're really interesting questions, though! i never stopped to wonder before how many people would refuse to fly if tsa weren't doing this or changed their practices. i wouldn't, but it makes me wonder if others would.

Andrea 05-05-2012 08:22 AM

Elderly Man Arrested at JFK for Hiding Knife in Walker

Good catch... or is it? First, if the picture is the actual walker/butter knife, it isn't actually hidden. Second, and more important, the TSA website indicates butter knives are the exception to the no knife rule http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtravel/prohibited/permitted-prohibited-items.shtm

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20120503/jamaica/elderly-man-arrested-at-jfk-for-hiding-knife-walker

Scuba 05-05-2012 09:02 AM

I have to get on a plane or two this coming Saturday...I loathe the checkpoints. I'm bringing one backpack and a carry on...some clothes and my laptop. Never a dull moment when they look at my name and then look at me :|

Andrea 05-05-2012 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba (Post 578661)
I have to get on a plane or two this coming Saturday...I loathe the checkpoints. I'm bringing one backpack and a carry on...some clothes and my laptop. Never a dull moment when they look at my name and then look at me :|

I hope all goes well and without any long waits or hassles.

Andrea 05-06-2012 09:12 AM

Let me see if I understand this... The TSA can take swabs of me and my carry on but they can't swab unattended baggage at the airport.... Isn't the unattended baggage more likely to be of danger than I am?

http://articles.burbankleader.com/2012-05-05/news/tn-blr-0506-airport-in-flap-on-bag-swabs_1_tsa-bomb-squad-bob-hope-airport

Andrea 05-06-2012 09:31 PM

The purpose of TSA is what it does

http://tsanewsblog.com/2694/news/the-purpose-of-tsa-is-what-it-does/

Andrea 05-08-2012 07:53 AM

Homeland Security Concedes Airport Body Scanner ‘Vulnerabilities’

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/body-scanner-vulnerabilities/

Why would I subject myself to possible radiation exposure when the very expensive, assume the arrest position, machine has built in "vulnerabilities"?

Andrea 05-08-2012 07:59 AM

Teen Blames TSA For Broken Insulin Pump
Diabetic Teen: $10,000 Pump Ruined By TSA Full Body Scan


http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31025318/detail.html

Andrea 05-10-2012 06:56 AM

TSA equipment gathering dust, House investigators say

"The Transportation Security Administration has shelved $184 million in security equipment in a Texas warehouse rather than in the airports for which it was bought, according to a report compiled by House Republican investigators."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/tsa-equipment-gathering-dust-house-investigators-say/2012/05/08/gIQAaG9WBU_story.html

$184 million is a lot of tax payer dollars to waste.

Andrea 05-10-2012 07:06 AM

Baby, 18 months old, ordered off plane at Fort Lauderdale airport

http://www.wpbf.com/news/south-florida/Baby-18-months-old-ordered-off-plane-at-Fort-Lauderdale-airport/-/8788880/13038550/-/fhxhp7/-/index.html

What type of people are we becoming??

Andrea 05-10-2012 07:37 AM

Congress: full-body airport scanners wouldn’t have caught underwear bomber

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/crotch_shot_JLywYxecALEXuc4pNcMUWN#ixzz1uS41chdo

Andrea 05-10-2012 07:44 AM

A TSA cover up??? Why yes, it sure appears to be.

http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=473&sid=2859566

Andrea 05-14-2012 07:46 AM

Report: Security breaches underreported by TSA

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/report_nearly_half_of_security.html

Andrea 05-17-2012 07:27 AM

Up close and personal with the TSA

Eloquent piece about the damage tsa continues to inflict.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/cover_story/article/up_close_and_personal_with_the_tsa_20120515/

Andrea 05-18-2012 04:00 PM

Employee arrested at New York's Kennedy Airport for stealing items meant for U.S. troops overseas

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/employee-arrested-york-kennedy-airport-stealing-items-meant-u-s-troops-overseas-article-1.1079528

And he was vetted by ..... you guessed it... The TSA.

Andrea 05-18-2012 04:02 PM

TSA executive admits not a single terrorist-related arrest has resulted from whole-body scanners

http://tsanewsblog.com/3160/news/tsa-executive-admits-not-a-single-terrorist-related-arrest-has-resulted-from-whole-body-scanners/

Andrea 05-18-2012 04:03 PM

The future of TSA security?

http://cdn.svcs.c2.uclick.com/c2/362...5b?width=450.0

Andrea 05-18-2012 04:05 PM

No-fly list center of debate in federal court appeal in Portland

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/05/no-fly_list_center_of_debate_i.html

Andrea 05-23-2012 07:36 AM

Which do you prefer to support TSA? Additional fees or cuts in funding?

Senate Dems back increase in air travel fee to close funding shortfall at TSA

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/appropriations/228835-senate-moves-forward-with-increased-airline-passenger-fees

Andrea 05-25-2012 07:02 AM

Priest Removed From Ministry Due To Sex Abuse Allegations Now Works At PHL

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/05/24/i-team-priest-removed-from-ministry-due-to-sex-abuse-allegations-works-at-phl/

I have no doubt his resume was impressive.....

Andrea 05-25-2012 07:41 AM

Information regarding ex-priest now working for TSA:

Harkins Thomas M. 1971 P Sued Dioscean Named in 1994 RICO civil suit filed in Camden. Allegation of abuse of girl in 1979-80. Sent for therapy. 2nd allegation. Both settled for total of $195K. Church did not report allegation to police per state law. Sent for treatment on other occasions. Active until 2002 when permanently removed. Woman filed suit 5/16/12 alleging abuse on multiple occasions in 1980 and 1981 at St. Anthony of Padua in Hammondton. Camden, NJ Source:
Philadelphia Inquirer 10.16.05; Courier Post 5.17.12

Andrea 05-27-2012 08:33 AM

TSA VIPR Team Spotted at… Detroit Music Festival??

http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/tsa-vipr-team-spotted-at-detroit-music-festival/

Andrea 05-28-2012 07:09 AM

This is about DHS, not TSA, but shows the mission creep by the agency.

Revealed: Hundreds of words to avoid using online if you don't want the government spying on you (and they include 'pork', 'cloud' and 'Mexico')

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150281/REVEALED-Hundreds-words-avoid-using-online-dont-want-government-spying-you.html?ICO=most_read_module

Andrea 05-29-2012 07:37 AM

TSA’s $1 billion program to ‘read’ fliers’ expressions comes under fire after failing to catch any bad guys

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/05/27/052712-news-tsa-behavior-detection-1-3/

Toughy 05-29-2012 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrea (Post 593927)
TSA’s $1 billion program to ‘read’ fliers’ expressions comes under fire after failing to catch any bad guys

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/05/27/052712-news-tsa-behavior-detection-1-3/

Why oh why don't we just go talk to the Israeli folks and do what they do????

Andrea 05-31-2012 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 594340)
Why oh why don't we just go talk to the Israeli folks and do what they do????

Follow the money!

Andrea 05-31-2012 07:07 AM

5 Things The TSA Doesn't Want You To See (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-elliott/5-things-the-tsa-doesnt-want-video_b_1551218.html

Andrea 06-02-2012 07:41 AM

How much do we really hate the TSA?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/01/travel/tsa-complaints/index.html

Hollylane 06-02-2012 08:13 AM

I recently traveled to Virginia, via PDX, and ORF. In the past, I have always been put through the full pat down due to an artificial knee.

PDX

No pat down. Efficient, attentive staff, full body scan. In and out, no fuss no muss. No conversation.

ORF

Full pat down. Friendly, cheerful, animated, empathetic, and attentive staff. In and out, no fuss no muss.


Personally, I preferred the full body scan. I was in and out, there was no "Female assist" announcement. I was on my way quickly, and in my opinion, I am not offended at all by the full body scan. I can see where it could be a problem for people with medical devices that could be harmed by this, but there were people there that were quickly moved to the pat down area, and were advised helpfully that they can now get some type of travel document to provide to TSA about their devices. Also, on the TSA website, they had options for persons who have been sexually traumatized.

Overall, I feel that the TSA is there for excellent reasons. I feel safer with them there, and I am happy to comply. There are always going to be bad employees in any job, and rules that need tweaking.

Realistically, the people who want to harm others, are likely to continue to seek ways to get past TSA, so I expect them to be vigilant, even if this inconveniences me or makes me a little uncomfortable.






Andrea 06-02-2012 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollylane (Post 596153)
I recently traveled to Virginia, via PDX, and ORF. In the past, I have always been put through the full pat down due to an artificial knee.

PDX

No pat down. Efficient, attentive staff, full body scan. In and out, no fuss no muss. No conversation.

ORF

Full pat down. Friendly, cheerful, animated, empathetic, and attentive staff. In and out, no fuss no muss.


Personally, I preferred the full body scan. I was in and out, there was no "Female assist" announcement. I was on my way quickly, and in my opinion, I am not offended at all by the full body scan. I can see where it could be a problem for people with medical devices that could be harmed by this, but there were people there that were quickly moved to the pat down area, and were advised helpfully that they can now get some type of travel document to provide to TSA about their devices. Also, on the TSA website, they had options for persons who have been sexually traumatized.

Overall, I feel that the TSA is there for excellent reasons. I feel safer with them there, and I am happy to comply. There are always going to be bad employees in any job, and rules that need tweaking.

Realistically, the people who want to harm others, are likely to continue to seek ways to get past TSA, so I expect them to be vigilant, even if this inconveniences me or makes me a little uncomfortable.

Thank you for telling your experience.

I would also like to know if you have any concerns, or if you have looked into, the medical issues the backscatter machine might cause. The backscatter machines were banned in Europe due to the health concerns. Link

The other question I have is if you are aware that items can pass unseen through the backscatter machine? http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/1b-of-nude-body-scanners-made-worthless-by-blog-how-anyone-can-get-anything-past-the-tsas-nude-body-scanners/

Would you feel less secure, possibly even no longer flying, if passengers were able to bring water and other liquids on the plane, wear shoes through screening, and only pass through the metal detector?

Again, thank you for contributing to the conversation.

Hollylane 06-02-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrea (Post 596347)
Thank you for telling your experience.

I would also like to know if you have any concerns, or if you have looked into, the medical issues the backscatter machine might cause. The backscatter machines were banned in Europe due to the health concerns. Link

The other question I have is if you are aware that items can pass unseen through the backscatter machine? http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/1b-of-nude-body-scanners-made-worthless-by-blog-how-anyone-can-get-anything-past-the-tsas-nude-body-scanners/

Would you feel less secure, possibly even no longer flying, if passengers were able to bring water and other liquids on the plane, wear shoes through screening, and only pass through the metal detector?

Again, thank you for contributing to the conversation.


I would continue to fly regardless, I think that I face more risks and inconveniences in driving my car to work daily, than flying (this includes health and safety). I think that they are continuing to develop new technology, and are likely to fix current technology issues as they come up.

Passengers can, and do bring liquids onto the plane, but they are purchased after passing through TSA. I don't think that is likely to change, but who knows.

The imaging machine that I passed through at PDX was a Millimeter Wave Unit. Based on continuing research, this seems to be the safer of the two as far as repeated exposure. I think that if I encountered the Backscatter Unit, I would request a pat down.

Andrea 06-05-2012 07:56 AM

TSA waste and fraud

http://tsanewsblog.com/3298/news/tsa-waste-and-fraud/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaig n=Feed%3A+tsanewsblog%2FAzgs+%28TSA+News%29

Kobi 06-05-2012 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 594340)
Why oh why don't we just go talk to the Israeli folks and do what they do????


Among other things Israeli airport security involves stringent racial profiling, something that didnt fly (pun intended) here.

Ciaran 06-05-2012 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrea (Post 596347)
Would you feel less secure, possibly even no longer flying, if passengers were able to bring water and other liquids on the plane, wear shoes through screening, and only pass through the metal detector?

Although, in the US, my experience has been that I inevitably need to remove shoes passing through security, in Europe it is much less consistent. In general, across Europe, passengers are not required to remove their shoes or, in some instances, to remove their shoes if they have large in-built heels.


Regarding bringing liquids through security. Obviously the banning of these liquids only took effect in summer of 2006 (I remember it well as I was due to fly to Asia that day) but there is now an impetus in the UK to reverse this ban. I think a reversal of the "no liquids" ban is to be piloted shortly.

justkim 06-05-2012 10:42 AM

I have had the opportunity to fly several times in the past few years. As far as getting through security I have not had any real problems, unless you count the time when I was wearing a pair of jeans that had rivets that set off the alarm thing and I did get to have my purse dumped out because I had a key chain that was what I suspected made of a lead type material. They didn't even put the stuff back in my purse... Jerks! lol.. As far as taking liquid through this is what I have done with regards to taking something to drink. I own several cups with lids and straws in some cases, most if not all of the vendors that you encounter after the security gates will let you fill your cup with ice and water. I even have had flight attendants tell me that was a great idea, one even tried to steal my Starbucks straw cup. I told her she needed to get her own.lol. I will be flying again real soon and I will definitely taking my cup with me. TSA had no problem with me bringing my cup through security, they too said it was a good idea as long as it was empty.
I hope my trip in late July goes smoothly on the trip coming back to Colorado. I know leaving here will be easy enough, it is the other airport that I am worrying about.

Andrea 06-10-2012 09:18 PM

SDSU Student Back Home After Detour Over ‘No-Fly’ List Status

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/06/08/sdsu-student-back-home-after-detour-over-no-fly-list-status/

Andrea 07-05-2012 06:18 PM

TSA Wants to Taste your Post-Checkpoint Drink

http://wewontfly.com/tsa-wants-to-taste-your-post-checkpoint-drink

Andrea 07-10-2012 12:17 PM

TSA Invades Chicago Union Station

http://johnconner1984.wordpress.com/2012/07/09/tsa-invades-chicago-union-station/

The day after Independence Day, TSA is at the Chicago rail station. So much for independence and for 'if you don't like it, don't fly'.

Andrea 07-10-2012 06:39 PM

Man accused of impersonating airline employee at Eppley

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/checkpoints-borders-policy-debate/1364071-man-accused-impersonating-airline-employee-oma.html

Court documents obtained by the KETV NewsWatch 7's I-Team detailed allegations made by an FBI special agent, which show that Foster pretended to be a United Airlines employee at Eppley Airfield for six weeks starting in April 2012. Foster is accused of accessing secured areas and computers at Eppley Airfield, according to the court documents.


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