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gawd i dont like this thread... az is my home and i love it.. i dont always like what the gov. does here.. but there is so much more to this state that i will not boycot.. also there are still alot of unthuths about this..
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Really cause your Governor was very clear about what she was lying about. Do you mean her lies about mexicans and how we are running around cutting heads off and leaving them in Arizona deserts? Or this lie? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_bf26KGVEt0..._billboard.jpg I am trying to understand what you mean by untruths. Or are you saying your government in that state is full of lying, hateful, racist jerks. Thank you for the dialogue |
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Propaganda---1930's Propaganda http://www.msu.edu/~wandless/eternaljewlposter.jpg I am pretty blown away that this billboard which Snow post, is legal. I am shocked. I read the article, and I am really hoping what I have read is true about the decline of tourism, etc in Arizona - that Arizona is losing money. I hope and I am sorry Cody - that Arizona collapses. P.S.... Propaganda Kills... Just ask the survivors of any country who have experienced Racial Cleansing. Remember Rwanda? |
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az is not as bad as alot precieve it to be and alot of the same things happen in the other "boarder states" .. not just az.. i am not a hater by anymeans.. but if you want to come to the states from canada,russia mexico or anywhere else please take the legal steps to do so.. i am aware its difficult for latinos here when they are pulled over out of random because they have the "look" at the same time i feel we need to get a grip on the influx of people blue eyed or brown eyed that come here esp. to suthern az. we are already a "broke" state and have no way to tax illeagles for servces rendered .. medical.. housing..ect.. as a whole this is an awsome state there would be no reason for the words boycot az if so many people didnt love it here and want to live here. its is painful when i see the words boycot az. yes we need help with many issues as do may states. |
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Do you realize the Governor of your state tried to pass a law that started racial profiling?? Have you really read the whole thread? Do you think your state is broke cause of all the undocumented (not illegal) people in it? Could it be cause we had W as a president for 8 years??? Do you really think they are gonna pull you over and ask for verification of your race? What is the look?? Cause lemme tell you Cody Az is full of "that look" you have Native Americans, Chicanos who have been there longer than most of the white people there who will be harrased and tagged as having "that look" and they will be pulled over WAYYYYYYYYYYY before a Canadian, Chinese, or Russian undocumented worker. I am gonna be honest I am a tiny bit offended by your term "that look" what does that mean? What "look" does one have when one is of Latino Heritage? Your Governor is a racist pig who tried to pass a law that would of made racial profiling legal. If you can't see how gross that is then that is because your white skin allows you to have the safety of having that never happen. |
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I've lived in Arizona so I saw how it was. |
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i will never be able to get my point across az is beautiful an i will not take other opinoins as personal but treat them as i do our local government.. shrug my shoulder and walk out wishing there werent so many haters in the world. |
I conducted a number of years ago tolerance workshops for Jews. Surprising to me, because a number of these Jews survived the Holocaust. Some showed me their numbers tatoo'd on their arms. The room was filled with Racists.
As a Jew it gave me permission to speak to them differently. I reminded them, that in this country they were safe for the most part. They were European Jews, many with blonde hair and blue eyes - many with black afros and brown eyes. Yet, clearly white european. Interestingly enough - They took offense at being called white. I understand this, I take offense, even though I am white of skin - Genetically I am not, as most Jew are not. We discussed what it was like to watch their villages burned. We discussed what it it like for a POC in this country to watch their family and friends being beaten down and yes, even 10 years ago racially profiled. I pass with my fair skin and green eyes. I have been around hateful people in social settings. I have been spoken to, as if I would understand... "Hitler had it right when he gassed them." I have heard worse. Because I pass. Sometimes, I am tired of passing for a non-jew - even though, I am ashamed and often embarrassed by my people and their ignorance. Ignorance and Propaganda does indeed kill. Everyday in the world, people are still experiencing Ethnic Cleansing. I hear about this daily through my work. I get emails begging for help. I cannot help these people. There is nothing I can do. Except pray for them. Hope the work I do changes our future adults. What's happening in Arizona is no different than what happened in the Ghetto's. It starts with Propaganda and a government which supports Racial Profiling. Do not think for a moment it cannot happen again. Do not think for a moment, we in this country will not do this. LOOK AT WHAT WE DID in Afghanistan to the prisoners of war. I will always go back to this. WE are better than THAT! We are BETTER THAN THAT! Aren't we? |
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You can accuse me of being a hater all you want. It's fact, the people that were elected to run your beautiful racist state are and would pass racial profiling laws if you let them. A LOT of people (whites) backed this decision because "people with that look" were taking over their jobs, their women, their lands blah blah blah. No one is telling you not to love the racist state you live in, you can love it and support it all you want, as I said your white skin gives you that security and freedom to do so. What I will never grasp is how a queer a part of the minority can shrug their shoulder off to the racial bullshit in the very place they live... |
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I would still like to know what a member of my online community considers to be "that look"
Cause I bet it has nothing to do with sunshine and lollipops or anything positive. |
I just need to say...
Sometimes I am so disappointed in the members of my community. This community (not only online). We as LGBTQ know what it feels like to be hated. Just because I am a passing femme - god, sometimes I wish I was not. I have and my children have felt the hate from society. We as a community know what it feels like to be treated less than human. There are still SODOMY Laws in this country. Have we not learned from our own personal struggles? Each and every one of us, what it feels like to be hated based on who we are? You do not need to be a POC or a different religion to experience hatred. Go inside of yourself and feel it. Just feel what it feels like and maybe, you will get a glimpse of what it feels like for those who experience Racial Profiling. A glimpse really - because what we experience, is a fraction. This is why I stopped posting on political threads. Why I like to be the bimbo in the other threads. Because I don't have to think. I don't have to feel what it feels like. It feels dirty and it feels like my barest soul is being exposed, yet again to ignorance and the ignorance is coming from MY COMMUNITY. I am disgusted. |
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Too bad you don't like this thread - while you sit in your air conditioned home on your computer - You don't like this thread. Well... People don't like being bludgeoned and forced to pull their babies out of school and told to leave the safety of their homes. Where will they go? Perhaps they will live in cars or on the streets. They will be exposed to the elements and dark of the night. The bad people. So, you continue hating this thread, while there are people forced to expel Arizona and become one of the forgotten. I am done! |
i am a member on this comunity like it or not. and even though im lt brn hair blue eyed i am 1/2 native american.. i live in az and i love it.. i vote to try to change things im not comfertable with.. i do not bash others states or there people.
as far as "the look" i mean the beautiful hispanic and native americans that make up this state.. yes its tuff because the "look" is like alot of the illeagles here. if there was some other way to identfy im sure it would be used. i was not acusing any one person of being a hater sorry if anyone took it that way... i was only stating i wish it didnt exist. an excuse us for being to broke to suport all comers |
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I don't even know what to say about your statements that are so filled with underlined racist issues. WE ARE NOT ILLEGALS.. UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS. How the hell would you suggest you differentiate between a native Latino or one who just got there yesterday? No one is a hater who has decided to boycott your racist state, what we are is attempting to let your dislike for this kind of gross profiling be shown. Just remember these same people who don't want us here are the same people who don't like ANY KIND of queer. I still think it bo be gross how you describe my people by saying "that look" |
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No one is bashing you Cody, you came to a thread that was started to discuss the bullshit that was going on at the time politically. First they pass the Birther legislation. Now, Governor Brewer just signed SB 1070, the "Papers Please" law. Now any brown person in AZ can be stopped at any time by any cop and forced to prove that they are in the country legally. State officials claim that they won't profile, but I'm seriously doubting that the police are going to go around asking white folks to produce papers. Polls show that 70% of residents support SB1070. What has happened what is happening is fact, if Ohio did the same thing I would be just as adamant about not giving them my money. I will NOT support anything that treats humans worse than animals and THAT is what your State's Government did, they painted a big ol' target on anyone who has what you call "that look" |
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the personal IS political. You *do* live in a physically beautiful state which is full of good people AND racist politicians and politics. There are undocumented immigrants living in every state in this country, doing jobs that millions of unemployed "legal" citizens have no interest in, trying to build a life that is safe for themselves and their families. Undocumented immigrants do NOT receive free housing. They do NOT receive free medical care. They are NOT taking jobs other people want. They are NOT negatively impacting the state of our public education systems. These are myths, very dangerous myths that allow people, like your state's politicians to pass very dangerous legislation with truly dire consequences - not just for anyone who looks non-white in Arizona, but for all non-white people in this country AND more broadly for our society as a whole. This country IS a giant mess: economically, socially and politically - and none of the blame for that mess can be laid at the feet of immigrants (documented or undocumented); regardless of how convenient a scape goat they may be. Arizona is a state I would love to explore, as a tourist; it is indeed full of natural beauty. However, I will not be spending my dollars there while this legislation continues to exist. I will feel the same way about Florida or Texas or any other state that tries to/and or successfully implements laws that are hateful, racist and create enormous divisions among us. It is important, to me, that I am an educated voter, active politically and a conscious consumer. Arizona citizens with the right to vote can help to reverse these horrible laws; I hope they do. |
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