They did shut down Occupy Oakland this morning about 5:00am. From what I can tell it was peaceful and about 33 folks where arrested. They will not be allowed to return.

edited to add: at the press conference Mayor Quan suggested OO find private property like Occupy NY......interesting thought from her.

So as winter comes on, and the OWS movements get shut down, the movement will hopefully find new ways to keep the momentum going. I was reading the news this morning about foreclosures for the third quarter. The percentage jump in foreclosures sometimes equal to the loss in value of the home in some cities. The debt, the loss, the suffering, the crisis continues -

http://realestate.aol.com/blog/galle...-foreclosures/

10. Columbus, Ohio

Quarterly increase in foreclosures: +32%
# of Foreclosures Q3 2011: 2,273
Unemployment: 7.6%
% home value down from peak: -12.42%

Columbus hit its median home value peak in the first quarter of 2006. Since that time, home values have declined a relatively modest 12.4%, including a 3.4% drop last year. By the second quarter of 2012, Fiserv projects that homes in the area will lose another 2.3% of their value. Median family income in Columbus is above the national average, and unemployment is just 8%, a full percentage point less than the national average. Despite the fact that things don’t look so bad for the Columbus housing market compared to other regions, the city foreclosure rate still increased by 32% last quarter. A total of 2,273 homes were foreclosed upon during that time.

9. Cape Coral-Fort Myers, Fla.

Quarterly increase in foreclosures: +35%
# of Foreclosures Q3 2011: 1,743
Unemployment: 11.2%
% home value down from peak: -59.3%

There is arguably no single housing market with a worse long-term outlook than southwest Florida, and the Cape Coral-Fort Myers region is the worst of these. Housing prices in the have already dropped 59.3% from their peak, and Fiserv project them to decline another 12.2% by the second quarter of next year. According to Corelogic, 47% of the homes in the Cape Coral-Fort Myers area are worth less than their mortgages because of declining values. Foreclosures have increased 35% in the last quarter, and with no sign of recovery in the immediate future that trend may worsen in the coming months.

7. Fresno, Calif.

Quarterly increase in foreclosures: +41%
# of Foreclosures Q3 2011: 2,174
Unemployment: 14.9%
% home value down from peak: -54%

Fresno’s economy has continued to suffer since housing prices began to drop in 2006. It currently has an unemployment rate of 14.9%, which is one of the highest in the country. Home prices peaked in the first quarter of 2006 and have been decreasing since. The metropolitan area also has one of the highest underwater mortgage rates in the country, with a negative equity share of nearly 46%. In the last year alone home prices have dropped 11%.

5. Jacksonville, Fla.

Quarterly increase in foreclosures: +49%
# of Foreclosures Q3 2011: 2,559
Unemployment: 9.5%
% home value down from peak: -39.3%

Jacksonville has experienced a quarterly increase in foreclosures of nearly 50%. Home prices have dropped 39.1% since their peak in the second quarter of 2006. The metropolitan area’s negative equity share also exceeds 46%, making it among the worst in the country for underwater mortgages. Home prices are expected to decrease another 10.7% by the second quarter of 2012.

3. Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice, Fla.

Quarterly increase in foreclosures: +57%
# of Foreclosures Q3 2011: 1,673
Unemployment: 11%
% home value down from peak: -51.4%

The Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice metropolitan area has seen the third largest increase in the country in foreclosures in the third quarter. However, only 1,673 homes out of the 311,475 on the market were foreclosed upon. The housing market has suffered a great deal since housing prices peaked in the first quarter of 2006. Since then, overall home prices have dropped 51.4%

Tikkun Olam
 

No, you are not starting a fight. We were born into it. Each person has to decide for themselves how much injustice they can ignore.
Let's put your arguments into in a 19th century historical context and see if they hold up.

1. If I become a wealthy plantation owner, does this mean I have to share my wealth with women? Aren't I doing enough by using their exploited labor to fund a tax write-off "charity" for the ones who aren't producing profit for me? This way at least they are of some use to me.

2. Will someone impose an upward limit on my greed? Who would do that? Women don't even have a clear leader!

3. Europeans colonized North America to exploit resources, including women. Why should we stop now? It's the American way.

4.Women in other places are treated worse. Therefore women in 19th century USA have it good enough and should be quiet. If women are given rights. everything will go wrong. I'm just fine with the status quo.

5. Why aren't the protesters far away from me, so I can continue oppressing women. I don't want women in my region getting any "big ideas!" Shouldn't women be home cooking and making me babies?


Don't let the arc of history hit you in the butt as it bends towards justice. Or something like that.

Okay, that's enough of this. Now I have "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of the thread". I'm done; and OWS has lost a supporter.

It was building, in other threads, even. I'm just done.

Occupy Wall Street chose to occupy near ground zero of the cause of the financial crisis that nearly destroyed the world's economy. It's symbolic. It grew from there.

Why would the movement be interested at this time in making a list of demands? Clearly there are still people who are confused about the basics. They still think regulation caused the housing bubble that burst and that minorities buying houses they couldn't afford destabilized the economy of the entire world. They still believe deregulating Wall Street even further is a good idea. I think raising consciousness is a very worthy goal. There is no real hurry to rush to a list of demands. Shining a light where there was only darkness will ultimately be very useful. Many people are starting to understand that giving corporation tax breaks when they move their business out of the U.S. is not going to create jobs for us. Giving tax breaks and bail outs to corporations has yet to develop into more jobs. And it's not going to. We need more jobs not more tax breaks and bail outs. If that doesn't work for you , then it doesn't work for you. But that is what I see as something that will actually help the economy.

The fact is political campaigns are financed by corporations naturally that means that politicians have the interests of the rich as their first and in some cases only priority. Until we can get Wall Street out of Washington we will not have fair elections or fair legislation and we will not have elected officials who make decisions with the best interest of all the people and of the United States, itself, foremost on their minds. If that doesn't work for you then it doesn't work for you.

But to say that these ideas are vague makes no sense. I really could go into all sorts of depth explaining further but I sense you really just don't agree with the issues as I see them. And that's fine. But I don't think the ideas are vague at all. You don't have to agree with them but they are indeed clear enough.

I saw people honestly trying to answer your questions, guihong. I am unsure what specifically makes you think anyone is saying to you, "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out of the thread". No one here asked you to leave the thread. If you disagree with someone, why not challenge their take on things by sharing how you see things? The nature of these discussions is such that not everyone is going to agree about everything. But I think we can all learn from each other if we remember not to take things too personally.

Respectfully,

Drew

I don't get this. If you don't want to support the Occupy movement because you don't agree with the issues then don't support it. Find something else to support that works for you. Or if you are perfectly happy with the way things are then don't support anything. But you aren't going to punish OWS by not supporting it if your support is about how other people in a thread on a B-F forum treat you. How is that even relevant? If your support is based on that then it's not much support at all. Either you agree with the issues or you don't. Butch Femme Planet and the people who post here have nothing to do with that. Nor is it anyone else's responsibility to change your mind. There is nothing wrong with not supporting OWS. If it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for you. Hopefully in the end there will be more people who see the problems and want to work toward solutions than who don't.

i really really really love this post.

My community has 13.6% unemployment and 26% of the houses are vacant. It's really sad. Oh and they try and pretend that we don't have a homeless issue when there are literally tents and boxes lining up Main St.

Another CEO gets a 100mil+ parachute after driving a company's stock price into the ground. This news release came AFTER market close on a Friday (so no one would notice) http://huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/31...n_1068186.html

This from Occupy News on Facebook:

ish is going down at ows.
http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

I am watching. The are cops are raiding Zucotti Park. Asshat police. Grr....

Watching and listening to police scanner.

Wow. Just wow. I'm amazed what people are posting and just nonplussed by the police response.

i think that it would be so easy for me to get angry.....and to feel justified in that anger...and then i remember that we're all on the same side.
we're burning two ends of the same candle.
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...1ZyPHvAu45a5Qg
...and we have to stop.