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betenoire 11-30-2010 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238618)
They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.
So they can check out the classifieds through their local paper or word of mouth...but they can't find out about current events in those ways?

Crikey!

Your last paragraph was mean-spirited. And believe-you-me: I know mean-spirited.

The_Lady_Snow 11-30-2010 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238618)
And again, I was speaking mainly of the posts that were spewing forth the venom of ignorant voters, lumping people into groups, when NONE of us have any idea of their current circumstances, which I do believe I have said more than once which can't quite seem to seep into some people's brains!

Good for you that you were able to keep your computer and internet access while unemployed, some people can't, for some people that's the first thing that goes because it's NOT a necessity in order to live or to put food on their table, or keep a roof over their kids heads. They can check out classifieds thru their local paper or word of mouth if need be.

Lastly, you don't know me so don't presume to accuse me of anything, goal post moving indeed. I'm just speaking up about people who seem to think they are so much better than others because they have an education and choose to be more politically aware than others. I don't go for blanket statements or putting a group of people down because they don't choose to participate in something. Not everyone is an activist and that's OK. You seem to think that those who don't choose to be an activist are less than you or anyone else who chooses to be so. If you don't think that way then perhaps you should read back over some of your postings because it sure does come off that way.

To be honest, I don't read much of what you say because you interlace so many other things with what you are trying to say, blurring the lines, writing a book and can't seem to get to the point of the matter without losing the audience. Brevity can be your friend.

Of course you won't read AJ, then you can't just shrug things off... Her words become a screaming reality saying

"DO SOMETHING"

Your belittling AJ's posting style is a deflection of not wanting to be enlightened or educated about a very crucial issue.

It's hard DNC it's hard to do the hard, right thing.

I would ask you read AJ cause let me tell you, that's A HELLA lot of info you are dismissing because you don't like her posting style.

*sighs*

I am going to Big Lots bbl

Corkey 11-30-2010 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238619)
Homeless people can most certainly vote! They use the address of the homeless shelter they are staying at or where they collect their checks!
Real homeless have no access to shelters, and what checks are you talking about, welfare? In most states men don't qualify for welfare. Shelters that I know of have a first come first served and no one stays more than over night. They don't have access to a post office box, and the voters registrars office will not accept a po box as an address. Here we have homeless who in the cold weather have access to a warming shelter that only opens up during extreme cold snaps. The US government will not send ssoc checks to a shelter, no matter who's in it.

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 238621)
Oh BTW the whole "more education" thing DNC

I never graduated highschool...

I couldn't I was in the streets.

I did however read ANYTHING I could get my hands on. I learned English in 3 months, and I used my library not only to get warm in but to


EDUCATE myself.

Weird huh?
Not weird at all Snow, You weren't pontificating and throwing your education around like it's a banner of sorts, using it to put others down.

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 238629)
Real homeless have no access to shelters, and what checks are you talking about, welfare? In most states men don't qualify for welfare. Shelters that I know of have a first come first served and no one stays more than over night. They don't have access to a post office box, and the voters registrars office will not accept a po box as an address. Here we have homeless who in the cold weather have access to a warming shelter that only opens up during extreme cold snaps. The US government will not send ssoc checks to a shelter, no matter who's in it.
That may be true for your state Corkey but in NC one can most certainly use a homeless shelter as an address, maintain their right to vote and to receive correspondance from companies that may be interested in hiring them. Not all states declare the homeless cannot vote, I'm pretty sure there are no laws stipulating as such as because they are still citizens of the USA and have a constitutional right to vote.

Oh, and there are homeless who do receive a state stipend, it just isn't enough to put a roof over their head.

The_Lady_Snow 11-30-2010 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238632)
Not weird at all Snow, You weren't pontificating and throwing your education around like it's a banner of sorts, using it to put others down.

That's just gross to say about AJ...

Not cool DNC not cool at all

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by betenoire (Post 238623)
So they can check out the classifieds through their local paper or word of mouth...but they can't find out about current events in those ways?

Crikey!

Your last paragraph was mean-spirited. And believe-you-me: I know mean-spirited.
Just as her condescending comment:

Sighs, do I really have to walk you thru this again, really?

That was condescending and mean spirited as well. You can't have it both ways. If you call one out then call em all out. Just because I don't agree with her on every single sentence in her postings does not make me mean spirited. It's ok to disagree on things, it's not ok to turn condescending towards another one when they don't agree with you.

I just came to this thread to state what I thought ONE person meant in a posting because it was being misconstrued and she's been taking me to task ever since implying that I somehow was complicit and agreed with Arizona's racial profiling law when that is the furtherest thing from the truth that there is. I've even stated as such.

Now ya'll can have your play space back.

Corkey 11-30-2010 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238633)
That may be true for your state Corkey but in NC one can most certainly use a homeless shelter as an address, maintain their right to vote and to receive correspondance from companies that may be interested in hiring them. Not all states declare the homeless cannot vote, I'm pretty sure there are no laws stipulating as such as because they are still citizens of the USA and have a constitutional right to vote.

Oh, and there are homeless who do receive a state stipend, it just isn't enough to put a roof over their head.
That isn't a shelter it is a halfway house. A shelter is just that a roof over your head for a night, they will not accept correspondance from anyone. Not saying they don't have the right to vote, but in most states one MUST have a address to sign up TO vote. Your state is doing something MOST states don't do. A stipend isn't going to put food in their bellies either. It's just enough to by cigarettes and booze, to keep people homeless.
I also don't appreciate your statements about AJ, I find it rude and you could learn something if you'd read her posts.

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 238635)
That's just gross to say about AJ...

Not cool DNC not cool at all
Umm, I didn't say I was talking about anyone in particular and I wasn't, that was your assumption.

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 238647)
That isn't a shelter it is a halfway house. A shelter is just that a roof over your head for a night, they will not accept correspondance from anyone. Not saying they don't have the right to vote, but in most states one MUST have a address to sign up TO vote. Your state is doing something MOST states don't do. A stipend isn't going to put food in their bellies either. It's just enough to by cigarettes and booze, to keep people homeless.
I also don't appreciate your statements about AJ, I find it rude and you could learn something if you'd read her posts.
Wow, that was some assumption to make! Just enough to put booze in their belly and buy cigs. That was just downright awful.

Corkey 11-30-2010 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238653)
Wow, that was some assumption to make! Just enough to put booze in their belly and buy cigs. That was just downright awful.
Truth often hurts.

BullDog 11-30-2010 05:32 PM
DomnNC can I ask you a simple question, what is your point? No one needs to have any advanced degree or certain level of income to understand that racial profiling is wrong.

There are more opportunities than any time in the history of the world for people to be informed of what is going on around them. Even so, I still don't understand what needs to be studied or kept up on to know that racial profiling is wrong. We're talking about how human beings should be treated here.

The state of our economy and the fact that so many people are homeless and suffering is completely unacceptable. I think we all agree on that.

The_Lady_Snow 11-30-2010 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238648)
Umm, I didn't say I was talking about anyone in particular and I wasn't, that was your assumption.

Dude!!

We're not stupid, subtext get used here everyday, I know you know cause you see it too and laugh about it. ;) It's cool though, no need to back peddle, it wasn't cool what you did and I do hope you read AJ, she's an ocean of information and her education she worked fucking hard to get, she should be damn proud.

Do you know how hard it is for a POC to get that kind of education???

BBL Grant is gonna divorce me if I don't go now Big Lots calls.:|<subtext face> ;) know what I'm saying?;)

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BullDog (Post 238656)
DomnNC can I ask you a simple question, what is your point? No one needs to have any advanced degree or certain level of income to understand that racial profiling is wrong.

There are more opportunities than any time in the history of the world for people to be informed of what is going on around them. Even so, I still don't understand what needs to be studied or kept up on to know that racial profiling is wrong. We're talking about how human beings should be treated here.

The state of our economy and the fact that so many people are homeless and suffering is completely unacceptable. I think we all agree on that.
Excuse me bulldog, I've said time and time again that I'm against racial profiling and that it's wrong. This isn't what I've been talking about, how about going back and reading what I've said. I've been talking about lumping an entire state of people together and treating those who voted against the current administration in Arizona together and taking them to task or holding their feet to the fire blaming them or making them feel less than simply because they live in Arizona. It was offerred up that people have "bent over backwards" to make them see they weren't doing than and then adding a however blah blah blah. That simply wasn't the case. That's my point.

Corkey 11-30-2010 05:41 PM
DNC please point it out where anyone has done this. I'm a facts based kinda guy, and I haven't seen one post like you are describing. Post number would be helpful.

BullDog 11-30-2010 05:41 PM
I have read your posts and I've read other people's posts and haven't seen anyone lumping all people together.

Edit: what does this have to do with you saying people can't stay informed due to their economic circumstances?

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 238658)
Dude!!

We're not stupid, subtext get used here everyday, I know you know cause you see it too and laugh about it. ;) It's cool though, no need to back peddle, it wasn't cool what you did and I do hope you read AJ, she's an ocean of information and her education she worked fucking hard to get, she should be damn proud.

Do you know how hard it is for a POC to get that kind of education???

BBL Grant is gonna divorce me if I don't go now Big Lots calls.:|<subtext face> ;) know what I'm saying?;)
I never said you were stupid and I was not speaking about AJ, I was speaking about all people with an education and how they come off to people at times. You made the assumption I was speaking solely of her and that is simply not true.

I worked damn hard to get my education as well, I got it all on my own without the aid of scholarships or of my parents money. I made a choice to serve our country in order to get my education and I paid for the remainder on my own working part time and such. What's that got to do with anything?? We're talking about racial profiling, which AGAIN, I will state I am against!

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 238664)
DNC please point it out where anyone has done this. I'm a facts based kinda guy, and I haven't seen one post like you are describing. Post number would be helpful.
I'm not playing your game. If you are truly interested then go back and read the posts like I did.

Corkey 11-30-2010 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by DomnNC (Post 238669)
I'm not playing your game. If you are truly interested then go back and read the posts like I did.
Dude it isn't a game I assure you and I have followed this thread from page 1

DomnNC 11-30-2010 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BullDog (Post 238665)
I have read your posts and I've read other people's posts and haven't seen anyone lumping all people together.

Edit: what does this have to do with you saying people can't stay informed due to their economic circumstances?
Laughs, I never said that people can't stay informed due to their economic circumstances. Geez, people, get a freaking grip. Go back and read what all I've said and put it together.

There was a post where it was said that ignorant voters got what they deserved if they voted to keep the idiots in office and if the state goes bankrupt or they lose their livelihood it was their own fault for being so ignorant. Not ALL people who vote are ignorant, some don't have access to keep up with current events, it was mentioned they could talk to peer's and I said well those peers could be uninformed as well and told em to vote for the idiots, ya'll act like that can never happen!! It CAN!


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