Hahahaha! It was more of a lunge than a kiss. Not hot!
"Hardlygay"- LMAO.

I agree, the kiss sucked!

I tend to get very happy when I see characters in film ( especially major Hollywood flicks) like this. We just watched The Stepfather, a bad film I don't really recommend, and there was a lesbian couple as part of the cast of characters. No major focal point and no overt manner of portraying them as "lesbians". No big sex scene made for men. Just subtle everyday interactions that made it clear they were a couple.

I like when we queer folk are portrayed as "just normal". Not the main story, not overdone. Just real.

I wasn't thrilled with the clip of L&O. Not a huge fan of Kathy G nor her style of "acting". I don't see where having "Olivia" come out as a lesbian would "add" to her character on the show. She is a strong woman fighting the good fight. That is enough for me.

As for the argument that having major "gay" actors portraying gay figures would automatically add to the gay community monetarily, I find that awfully presumptuous. While I also get a great thrill personally every time someone very public "comes out", I do not automatically assume they will become a spokesperson or fund gatherer for "our cause". Some may contribute back, some may not. They are only human. It should not be an assumption in my opinion.

BUMP..

So, good , bad or otherwise it comes on tonight. It is always interesting to see how the queers will be portrayed on prime time.

According to my TV listings it's a TWO HOUR show. Is that right? That's a heck of a time commitment just to see how (if) they edited the homophobic parts. Not sure I can last two hours, lol.

Here's a much hotter gay kiss from an SVU'er to tide us over...
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMzODwI6oiA"]YouTube- Beecher & Keller - You are my high[/ame]

LOL.. true.. 2 hrs is a bit much when there is a new Criminal Minds on at the same time.. I'll have to record one so I can watch both.

I feel so $#$#ed over....!!!!!
 

and I wasnt even Kissed...

but neither was Marisa...

OH but HE was kissed...

and the flaming lesbo was iced down and refried into a bisexual....

personally there is nothing wrong with bisexuals in my book. My ANGER is that they marketed to and targeted lesbians and the show was hyped as having a lesbian kiss segment

and the video promo I saw, the gals DID kiss..but oh no not tonight...

I am boycotting SVU..... they lost my loyalty...

damn..this was worse than when my batteries ran out...

:mad:

Hahaha Testify sistah!
:rainbowAfro:

What I learned from SVU tonight:

-Lesbians are cultlike followers

-Lesbians are overreactive angry harpies

-Outspoken or politically active women are harpies

-Lesbianism is a choice

-Lesbianism is malleable in the presence of the "right" man

-Lesbians recruit

-Lesbians are attracted to and hit on every attractive straight women that crosses their path

-Lesbians are quick to misinterpret the intentions of well-meaning straight women

-Lesbians believe straight women cannot be "strong" or work in non-traditional jobs

-Organizations or groups that focus on specifically lesbian concerns are exclusionary and should not exist

-Aggressives have secret nicknames and would lie about a nickname even if it undermined the murder investigation of their significant other

-Aggressives are crazy violent criminals

-Women who embrace their masculinity are secretive and express that masculinity through violence

-Masculinity=violence

-Transgendered lesbians do not exist

-Bisexuals lie about, and are ashamed of their affectational orientation and only come out when forced

-Bisexuals with boyfriends who are hospitalized with gunshot wounds kiss any hot guy that's around and tell them to "give me a call"

-Lesbians reject bisexuals because bisexuals make a choice of sexual orientation that they themselves could also make, but reject

-When females tell males they are sexist asses they really just want to make out

Now I remember why I hate that show. BTW I was working on something and couldn't immediately change the channel and found the beginning of the second episode every bit as annoying: when Martiska Hargatroy told the prostitute she could go to an agency "right now" that would house her, feed her, give her emotional support and therapy and "help her get her GED" (IE: She was a prostitute by choice because plentiful well-funded agencies are standing by waiting to fulfill all her needs- what a load of shit).

As an OZ fan the intense reunion embrace of Beecher and Keller was amusing tho.

All in all, SUV is sexist, homophobic, stupit, and sucks. Reminds me all the more to try and represent for my lesbian sistahs. (Until the right man comes along of course.)

My usual thing
 

So I did that thing I do that is so annoying.

I tried to find something good to relate to or say about that show...

1) It was LBGTQIA** that she publically informed everyone watching..... I liked that it was an attempt to include everyone
** standing for Lesbian/Bisexual/Gay/Trans/Questioning/Intersexed/Allies
(even if it got twisted and made to seem like everyone who now tries to inform others may be treated like a fanatic, like that character, they may then tune out and ask "So when will ya turn Bi?" )



2) It may have helped in disparaging the myth that the Queer Community is exempt of violence against women or Domestic violence, or that it is a less diverse range of any type of people than the hetero community... and said something like the statement "just like strait". I like that because that kind of thinking is an obstacle for women in our community when they do need to seek help for violent acts against them by same sex partners. Some have been laughed off and or turned away.

** (I use Queer when talking about the community I feel connected to. It is my personal choice of a word that to me defines what I personally view as everyone before the "ally" letter of the above anacronym.)



3) It touched on something I have seen happen in the queer community relating to how some are so ultra sensitized by the daily insults and discrimination from the outside world that they: can be abrasive to someone who is not biased.... They can turn on one another, discriminate against certain "types" of their own community (bisexuals and femmes sometimes have this happen to them, just not soo often that svu is right to stereotype us all to be "like that"), her character on the show also alienates actual supporters by projecting the defensive over reaction to every single thing said... wrong place and time to say that!! Umm but we should be careful NOT to seem like that... especially now that people have seen THAT episode.



At the same time this "bright side" I saw.. if you call it bright... was also where I was yelling at the tv. These three were a real stretch, even for me Ms. Pollyanna. I REALLY hated the world maybe thinking that the lesbian community views someone who realizes they are bi as a "traitor" and that we peer pressure one another to stay gay. UGH that bothered me because even though I have seen it, never really want to think that is the majority attitude that bi's are not included. Or men of any sexuality are mistreated by lesbians. It's not the norm I want portrayed as an accurate example of any of us...


OK thats all I could vomit up good or positive about tonights SVU show. I'd prefer to just say "yeah what she said in that list above"

But cause I cant communicate "me too" ALL the time ...

Next I will be resorting to saying "Well at least Aggressives were mentioned" rather than go off about what THAT one is gonna stir up for butches and trans. The masculine women in the queer community were just represented as Domestic Abusers. Regardless of my no. 2 up there, I think the show will do more harm than good by making that person an abuser. Coulda touched on same sex domestic violence without targeting or stereotyping.



P.S. I know VERY little about "aggressives" and if they are any way related to the butch term ...? Am I the only one wondering? If so be gentle with me. No disrespect meant in this post at all. I am still shell shocked from the whole day today. I have heard the term mentioned in the "BF: are these terms antiquidated" thread. Scared to ask back then... But I dont trust public opinion on some random site that comes up on a search. I Want to read about it here where I trust more that I am getting an educated answer.

I have heard of the documentary called "The Aggressives" but havent seen it, or heard our own perspective of accuracy, like if there are stereotypes to look beyond.

See a review at : http://www.buygay.com/the-aggressives/p-231574-2

Sometimes I like lists like this, so let's play.
 

My response in bold


Ok, granted I can respect that opinion, but really, is it the only show that has flavourings of sexism, homophibia, and stupidity? Have you ever seen "How I Met Your Mother" where the principle character is a sexist, quasi homophobic character, played by a gay man in real life: Neal Patrick Harris? Real eye opener of an episode I saw last night, I can tell you. I've liked Neal Patrick Harris as an actor for years, but won't be visiting that show any time soon.

Look, I get it. It's important to have a critical eye with queer-themed episodes on mainstream shows like Law and Order. I totally get it. But, was it ALL bad? was it ALL inaccurate? Is it wrong to GASP, have queer violent perps. showcased on TV?

Here's my personal malfunction, Cyclo: as a survivor of non-consensual date rape by a lesbian in the late '90's it's important for me to see some accuracy (and therefore, some portrayal) of this very hidden facet of our community .

And that brings me to perhaps the best line in the whole episode. If there's a "take away" from this ep. it's here:

Like B.D Wong's character stated "Like everyone else, it all boils down to the individual. Which is why gays and lesbians are not immune to domestic violence, substance abuse, rape... just more proof that we're all equal

In 2009, I had to explain to family members (intelligent but straight family members) that yes, domestic violence can exist between two men, just like it can exist between two women (or female born). I didn't come out to them about my date rape because it would have been too hard for them to grasp "how" and "why". I had to explain to them just exactly how 'normal' (and by that, I kinda mean how fucked up) we all are.

I've told and will continue to tell anyone who might be questioning or coming out, that there's no sacredness to loving women (or wimmin/womyn/ etc if you prefer). Just because the majority of us here were born with vaginas (and still possess them) doesn't mean we are on some sort of higher plane of existence, intellectualism, altruism or any of that sort of nonsense.

We're people. The good and the bad, the ying and yang.

I'm not saying there's not a patriarchical society, the fuckedupness of masculinity paraded as 'more-than'.... (heck that's felt in queer circles, but I'm sure you're aware of this, yes?)

sometimes it's just about the heart. The heart wants what the heart wants.

oh, P.S. thanks for showing that hot gay kiss though. I might start watching OZ again.

I tend to agree with more of what Chris laid out as how I viewed the show. I haven't had coffee yet so not really able to find words that make sense, however, I thought for a one hour program they were able to make mention of a great many aspects of being "lesbian" or queer in todays society.
Most importantly that we are all different and should be seen as equal to straights.

Well, I guess it's all in the entertainment vs education factor. I think that the point of making an effort to show anything other than the typical "girl on girl for male viewing pleasure", is a huge step on the part of the writer's, producers, etc. They didn't HAVE to do anything. My guess is that "someone" on the show is trying to point out some basic issues facing the LGBTQIA (or whatever all the letters are now) community.

So, for what it is worth, I tip my hat to them for trying. The world has a long way to go in seeing us as similar instead of "other" and even baby steps are good for me. I do agree that depending on how it is seen/ interpreted it could be good or bad, just like any other subject.

Personally I think the missing "kiss" is fine. It would have just been viewed as gratuitous as I see it.

At any rate.. very interesting to see our "own" take on the episode. :)