i've requested that if i should die, that Syr never date another, because i would come back and cut the bitch. :eyebat:

The love goes on....
 

If i die...

I would actually LOVE Bully to re-cohabitate with the whinyest, weirdest, funniest, craziest, big babyish, non normal femme she could find.

She's happy with that.

I'm living proof.

I have betrothed Jackhammer to one of my girlfriends. She (my girlfriend) doesn't know it yet. :)

If Adele goes queer, I am first in line.

If she is....I think it's a pretty long line already. :)

Sorry, you are irreplaceable. Death is not an option.

While I am here... poor boundaries can cause a lot of problems beyond just a couple and their exes. I have seen someone new introduced into a real time circle of friends via dating who had poor boundaries not only with exes but also with friends that caused a lot of issues. When there is a small community the dating pool may be small, but it also makes it even more important to respect those in your friendship and chosen family circle. Otherwise there can be lots of problems. Most of us don't date in a vacuum. There are usually others to consider. So respect and consideration for others is key when starting to date someone new.

yanno, i often suspect that if i died people would find themselves breathing a secretive sigh of relief because they were safe at last. or is that free at last? (scratching head) either way. i say date whomever you like. life is short. i mean, i'm dead so obviously my life was shorter than yours but you get my point, yes? what?! you want i should come back and haunt you until you have no other way to be rid of me but to date? oy! date already! (shaking head) so much narrischkeit. you dont have enough to worry about alive without getting verklemptisch over who dates who when you're dead?! personally, i say if you find someone who can make a decent knish and doesnt talk about their colon too much you should marry 'em! everything else is window dressing.

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I'm a micromanager so when I had surgery recently I stopped to think about my property, I'd not had that thought regarding boy of weather and I was like :|. So we sat down and I made the arrangements I know who I leave him with will love and protect him pretty close to what I do, plus he'd have reinforcements at anytime because I'd ask my family be it chosen or not to please always make sure everything ok. I'm not clutching to my property out of a selfish need, where ever whenever I'll know that if mine need something anything from a hug to a safe place to sleep mine will have it. If mine find another I'll rest better knowing that a good sniffer will guide mine safe. The happiness and safety led me to this decision, I went into surgery knowing everyone in my pack was safe and that I loved them.

As a Sadist I secretly wish I could come back and scare the fuck out of my slaves while in some form of service so they'd fuck it up and either restart or have a lot of explaining to do.

That though may belong in the BDSM zone!

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Or maybe the listening thread :|

Holy heck Snow, this is one of the most impacting posts i've ever read.

Can someone give me the list of who I can date? At this point i think its gotten shorter, I had to scratch off Snow and Weatherboi, Jack and Medusa, June and Kat.

I applaud you for this Lady Snow. It is very hard for for people to plan for what might happen if they were to die or become incapacitated. I would hope that Greyson would move on and find love if something were to happen to me (G-d forbid). Taking care of those we love to me means thinking of all enventualities, be it financial, spiritual, emotional or anything else.

I think that I have experienced the hurt of watching someone I loved move on without me. As I age it hurts less and those breakups have brought me to where I am now and that is a very happy place!

good luck to chrissy if I should die. He may date or fuck or sub to anyone he would chose, but to do so in honor of my love for him. I dont want him out there doing destructive stuff. I want him to be happy and saited and safe.

I am changing my deed to my house. It is going to have him on it as part owner and I am taking my daughter off as the person it goes to if I should die. If you follow my posts you will know why. She would never care for him and would sell the house out from under him and render him homeless if I pass before him. This will not happen if I can help it. I suggest everyone look into property matters NOW for your loved ones...

Since it appears as though the subject has changed and it is ok for the non-femme defining folks to enter now...
 

I just had to come in here and mention something. When you do break up with someone, don't forget to reassess any beneficiary status they may have regarding your life insurance, retirement accounts, etc. Also when you have any shifts in your relationships that could impact beneficiares, you shold do the same. Don't trust, it is sad, but don't trust that your relative or partner will follow through on your requests. Loss does weird shit to people.

This is what I think about when I think about dying....I think about TF being covered financially. I made sure my sister and TF knew about all accounts and all monies, plus all posessions regarding beneficiaries, prior to my surgery two years ago...even down to who my dog should go to.

To answer the love question, of course I would want her to find a great love.

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I'm ok if you and boy of weather date, he on the other hand may be like

:canadian:

It may have to do with you may not look good in héels and a pencil skirt!

i know its close to Halloween, but that will never ever happen, but it was the funniest thing I heard all day.
I think we can just go for a drink as buds, all of us.

If I go before Julie, I would hope she take some time to heal and be of sound mind and heart before she opens herself to the next one. She deserves a person that will love her and be a decent partner.

If Julie goes before me, I think I am done. Dating would be okay but no more "partner" love relationships. I will get a dog and live the bachelor life.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion regarding this, of course...But no.
There are just waaay tooo many fish in the sea, for me to ever need to do that. Whether the individual was a good friend or a not-so-good friend..that's an iron-clad "No-No". Sisters before Misters, always.

I agree I should have done more to the x friend,I did give him a big chunk of my mind about this so he backed off.At the time his partner now wife was a college friend of mine so I let the crap go for sake of the friendship...not so shure I would do it now even if we were still friends.

This conversation has taken so many different directions that I hope you don't mind my asking - are you saying that you wouldn't date or flirt with someone just because they were the ex of a casual acquaintance, whose name and face you happened to know and whose path you sometimes crossed socially, but who was not someone with whom you had any close personal friendship?

I'm not at all challenging anyone who would choose that - each to her own, certainly! I just am curious as to whether or not that's what you meant.

I just got a kick out of the 'Sisters before Misters' line. That's the thing though, if it's a sister the ex is off limits. If it's a casual acquaintance then probably not.

Yes, I like that line "sisters before misters" as well - and believe in it!! My friends mean the world to me, and I am unquestionably loyal to them -- but at the same time, even with the very best of my friends, THEY are responsible for managing and communicating their limits and boundaries, not me.

The main thing is that I am just not at all understanding why someone might feel the same about the ex of a casual acquaintances. I would never advocate deliberately pushing something in someone's face in order to be hurtful - even if she were an enemy, that says something about you and not them if you were to do that. But I honestly just don't get choosing to feel as if the ex of a casual acquaintance is off-limits just because your social circles happen to overlap, and taking on the responsibility to protect the feelings of an acquaintance who split with someone a couple of months before. Her feelings and boundaries are her responsibility to manage, not mine. I'm not even saying that her feelings of hurt at seeing her ex's interest in someone else would be at all invalid -- but they're still her responsibility, not mine, not even the ex's.

Back when I was in the straight life I was headed to work one morning when a state trooper car pulled me over,lights flashing sirens blowing to wake the dead.I had no clue why cause I knew I was doing the speed limit and all my lights worked.Low and behold it was a casual friends bio hubby,the dam dick head hit me up for a sexy night out while his wife was staying with her sick mom.I told hime his wifes friendship was worth more to me that a night out with him or anyone and to buzz off.This was a long time before thay had mounted cams and mics in the patrole cars so I really didnt have any proof of this,but I did mention it to my uncle who was a federal marshal the next week this guy was asingned to desk duty untill further notice.I never did mention it to his wife but did find out a long time later he had been doing this for a while with others,it did cost him his badge and job eventualy.
I have a hard and fast rule about dateing my friends exes, even if its someones I casualy know cause I dont want any crap from breakups falling on me or probs with a friendship over said break up.It all comes from respect for myself and my friends.

Well, I don't date "misters," and I do sometimes date "sisters." But whatever.

In my world -- queer and leather -- the dating pool is somewhat smaller. I am also poly. So some of the intensity around this escapes me.

For the most part, however, I am not interested in close friends' partners. I know too damned much about them. I have good friends whose partners I love. (Unfortunately, one of those couples is getting divorced.) But, in general, my good friends don't pick as *I* would choose for them. Their partners aren't good enough for them because my friends are so fucking fabulous that it would take an angel to merit their attentions. And they usually do not date angels.

So after hearing all the stories about the partners, I am not really that interested in them. I'd be like, yeah, try that shit with ME and see how it works out.

I certainly don't mind you asking. I think it would depend upon how serious their relationship had been and also how long it had lasted. (in regards to a passing, casual aquantance).
I try not to cause harm to those who are in "romantic mourning". Generally, I think that people need time to go through that whole process (on both ends)..so I wouldn't want to get involved in that situation in any form, until some time had passed.

*chuckle*

To each their own and all that... but, it was only a figure of speech..not literal.

OK, I understand that - but how much of that is your responsibility and how much is hers? How are you supposed to be able to figure out how much time has passed before she is strong enough to see her ex moving on - presuming that she has chosen to be someplace where both she and her ex are socializing? Especially if you don't really know her and therefore don't know the dynamics of their relationship or of their breakup, you don't know what they've agreed to, you don't know if she's someone who takes responsibility for her own emotions or if she's someone who is going to seek out and project drama no matter how far she has to reach for it? Does she get to decide that two months is not enough time? Six months? A year? And if she decides that, how are you supposed to know what she has set as her boundary? Again, I'm speaking of an acquaintance, not a friend, and I'm just not seeing how I could ever make myself responsible for protecting an acquaintance's feelings - that's HER responsibility, and TO ME (as someone who has a long history as an enabler, btw, and has finally learned that it's not my job to fix or protect everyone) there's no way at all that I can take on that responsibility.

I'm also not including the situation alluded to in the friend's cop husband story -- he was just being a creepy a**hole. So if I knew that this ex was just being a callous jerk, then that's a whole different ball game -- but I'm still basing my decisions on my perceptions of the person who is trying to flirt with me, NOT on my sense of needing to protect that person's ex.

Only speaking for myself here, but I don't get all up in my head about it. I can only use my intuition served with a side of common sense. The reality is, is that no one truly knows that ideal time. I don't neccessarily think about it as a responsibility at all. I just try to go by what I *think* is right..and what I *feel* is right. Then, *I* can live with whatever decision *I've* made.
It actually kinda has a selfish aspect to it..*chuckle*
For me, It's NOT about being an enabler or babysitting another's feelings.
This is how I would proceed in any situation...for the simple fact that I don't enjoy regrets, in any form.

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Dating friends partners no matter how amicable the break up can lead to unnecessary messy stuff that I personally don't want to be bothered with. If say Carmela breaks up with that girl that I saw her with that one time at El Tapatio eating eating Menudo and I've not sat privy to Carmela's and Olga's fights, sex life, differences, etc I may date her only because Carmela is someone I know from hanging out at El Tapatio and not from kicking it back with and chit chatting online or via telephone, email, text, homing pigeon, smoke signals etc.

Dating depends on the person's interpretation of what dating is just that. Dating.

Dating Olga though I know who Carmela isn't some crime, but dating Margaret's husband after their break up is not something I am gonna even do because well

A. I don't date that kinda guy

B. Sancho is Republican

C. Sancho is straight

D. Margaret is my friend and I like her more than him, he came along with the package.

This struck me as something significant. In the original post, the scenario was of an acquaintance, and many posts since then have touched on the possibility that an acquaintance might not know enough about Person A to know if she's hurt or over her ex. I think what you said above also brings up the point that everyone's definition of "doing harm" might vary. Many of the posts here stated that flirting is just that... flirting...and therefore, harmless. It isn't dating, it isn't having sex, it's flirting. To others that's a cardinal sin. So, I guess my point is that everything is relative and subjective. Someone not adhering to the "femme code" may not be acting out of malice, but out of a place that flirting is harmless.

Flirts
 

Flirting is harmless! I always get confused why folks (general) confuse flirting, crushings, being nice as "HEY I WANNA MARRY YOU"


Flirting is simply that a short, instantaneous quick exchange of body language, words or looks with or without intent because sometimes flirting is started with the attempt to capture much more than just a moment.

Snow Im with u on this statement about peopel thinking if u are flirting with them its a near walk down the isle or to hook up some way.This is the reason I dont say much when i'm out at he gay bars or in a group.I knolw what I am saying to people but dam some folks have the ablity to turn it into something else.