I'm so disgusted I don't even want there to be a third debate at this point, and it's not because I think Clinton will blow her lead or anything like that. That disgusting scumbag does not deserve to be on the same stage as Clinton, and she shouldn't have to put up with his stalker, abusive behavior on stage - all of his lies, threatening to put her jail and worse. Ugh.

As I hope you know, I like you very much MsTinkerbelly and on the vast majority of issues I agree with you however I do not agree that I "need" to do anything.

You did not refer to her "bringing up" the issue. You said it would be "the end of her campaign" if she appeared to "use it". Having the surrogates refer to it IS using it and, in my opinion, it would be a very good thing.

Personally, I think she'd lose nothing by directly confronting him but if surrogates are more acceptable...have at it. One direct hit right to the middle of his smug lying face wouldn't hurt her a bit.

Well, in this, we will have to agree to disagree. ;)

And Ana Novarro is a Republican.

I had no idea! She's been going after Trump so hard, I presumed...Thanks for the info!

Hillary Clinton is of course very privileged and powerful and experiences the world in ways that very few other women ever do, but last night so many women saw her as "every woman" for all the women who have had to listen to being mansplained with a smile, who have had to fight for a job with a man who was clearly much less qualified, who have had to listen to a boss who is a 1,000 times dumber, who have had to cope with being physically bullied, intimidated, threatened and stalked.

See brief article and tweets for how woman after woman saw Hillary Clinton having to put up with similar treatment that they do all the time:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...0e655eab5dee8?

Trump vows retaliation as Republicans are abandoning him.

What an incredibly thin-skinned man-baby he is. Well, I can agree with him about the "self righteous hypocrites."

Mitch Mcconnell has no backbone, nor cajones. He refused to denounce Trumps actions and on a side note, he still looks like a turtle. Just not as cute.

Hillary is up double digits according to numerous polls.

Leaked audio is now coming out from "The Apprentice" via Huffpost.

I know this is common knowledge but... it still makes me a lil smirky smirk to say it... the Republican party is friggin' imploding!! :byebye:

I think the reason Hillary didn't slam him more for the tape was because he shook her up a bit having those four women there. I think she thought that he would talk about Bill's cheating more, and go harder at her if she did. And I think he would. She has to have an emotional breaking point, and maybe she knew she had hit her limit (for the day). The woman has to hear about his infidelity constantly.

Someone said to me today...if Melania cheated on Trump, would his opponent even bring it up? No, they wouldn't. It wouldn't hold any power. It does with Hillary though because we know Bill and he was POTUS. BUT, it also matters because it says there is something "wrong" with Hillary if her husband cheated on her. If it was Melania, people would just say she is a slut and feel bad for Donald (well, maybe not HIM, but they would another man). It circles back to misogyny again.

Bill is not running for president, Hillary is. I wish Trump would get the memo.
Also, what is that Trump morality police!? Ha! :seeingstars:

"Carrie Fisher says Trump’s sniffles are ‘ABSOLUTELY’ a sign of cocaine use"

....Hahahahahahahaha! So the mic is on crack ... again!? lol

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/expe...f-cocaine-use/

It seems that many of us agree that there is pervasive misogyny and a double standard in this contest but I am not so sure we all have to succumb to it. I suspect that, if Hillary whacked Donald good and hard, a loud cheer would go out across the land.

Part of the reason Bill's dumbass behavior is being brought up is because of Hillary's reaction to the alligations. She was viscous! There's a lot of hypocrisy in the Clintons.

The now deceased, bullying, crude, racist mayor of Toronto denied cocaine use for years as he thrashed around proclaiming his "law and order" platform...till the video showed up. and then the sound of the toilet flushing was sweet music to all his victims.

You're right. Her response wasn't nice. but they are lucky they didn't cheat with any of my partners cause at least one of them wouldn't have lived long enough to be given a box seat at a presidential debate. Having a 12 year "affair" with someone's husband is hardly a case of sexual abuse. Unless you want to accept that it was his wife that was being abused.

Something I came across that relates....
 

Fact checking stuff:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...iously-attack/

Thank you!

Summery of that article reads... "Overall, we rate the claim Mostly False."

Mostly false still leaves a hell of a lotta room for truth. Also, that article does not represent the sum total of all of his or her comments.

Facts are that he came out hard (no pun intended :p) denying everything, so she had to come out equally hard defending.

Yes.

I took notice of this article after I read your post because I didn't recall her being as harsh as you described. I was aware that i was in grad school over that time period so I knew that I had missed a lot of the details.

The article cited by Dapper was looking specifically at the allegations made by Trump at the debate. That was its purpose and it explained what it meant by mostly false, which doesn't lead to a reasonable interpretation of "viscous."

Viscous is an extremely strong word to use to accuse someone of something.

"Viscous" is also subjective and open to interpretation. Therefore, some may think a certain comment is vicious while others may not.

Everyone gets to decide what means what to them.

I don't use words like vicious lightly and especially when I don't add anything to back them up with. From my perspective you are just repeating right wing attacks that have been made against Hillary Clinton for over 20 years.

I get what you mean. Sewer rats are vicious but pet rats are not. But on the other hand, if you don't fear rats then a sewer rat might not be vicious; and if you fear rats, a pet rat might be vicious. Unless, of course, you don't give a rat's ass what others think or whether they understand what you're talking about.

I dont care about who Bill Clinton had sex with. I dont care about emails or bengazi. I care about the fact that she praised welfare reform as recently as 2008, welfare reform that doubled the number of extremely poor children in this country. She mentioned marion wright edelman again in this debate, not saying that edelman stopped supporting her politically after welfare reform. Between the crime bill and welfare reform, no one has done more to harm the extremely poor than bill and hillary clinton.

I was throughly confused.

Vicious Means something very different than viscous.

Must have been autocorrect.

throughly viscous? lol

One thing we keep forgetting is that our democratic system, which contrary to totalitarianism, does not permit one single entity to do as they please without the majority support and buy-in from bodies such as the senate and the house and many more structures downstream. Sure, presidents have some executive powers such as the power of veto, however make no mistake a president is not a czar!

Washington politics are more complex than it might seem to a layman eye.
The game of policy often means one starts with theoretical hypothesis pitch that must be sold to key stakeholders time after time. "Selling" often resembles war trenches at times. In order to bring ones ideas or arguments to life, one must run an interesting political triathlon with many hurdles to overcome. Not everything can be conquered by money, lobbying or brute force alone. Modern times brought the new media social popularity beauty contest into play as well.

I'm guilty! I'm in love with Ana Navarro and I don't care what her politics are.

lol Viscous viciousness?? :p

Bingo! ;)

What would be the value in my providing an example of a Hillary remark which I found to be vicious? Some will agree with my assessment and some won't. So what would I have proven? Nothing.

So then what is the value of even saying what you did in the first place? You just repeated what Donald Trump said at the debate about Hillary Clinton and you are surprised that there are people who object to it when you don't offer to back it up?

Okay fine just throw it out there with no explanation then. I don't understand the purpose of that at all.

You're right that the word "vicious" can be interpreted in different ways, but it is not used in a neutral manner, especially in the specific context of Hillary Clinton.

There's a lot of shit said about Hillary Clinton that isn't actually true, and it gets repeated over and over again, and to me that matters a great deal. So I don't take it lightly when people use loaded words like "vicious" - especially after Donald Trump just used it.

Bulldog:
"There's a lot of shit said about Hillary Clinton that isn't actually true, and it gets repeated over and over again, and to me that matters a great deal. So I don't take it lightly when people use loaded words like "vicious" - especially after Donald Trump just used it."

Is it true that Hillary Clinton is The Devil?

I guess it depends on what your personal definition of The Devil is? ;)

Lyte
 

Could you explain why you think this is a good thing?

I don't express my opinion with the hope that you or anyine else finds value in it. I express my.opinion because it pleases me to do so.

You assume too much. Where did I say I was surprised?

I'm not Trump so perhaps you might consider redirecting your hostility for him ... or for whomever else... where it belongs.

Pat Robertson calls lewd video ‘macho talk’


“Let’s face it. A guy does something 11 years ago, there was a conversation in Hollywood where he’s trying to look like he’s macho,” Robertson said on his show, as first reported by Raw Story. “And 11 years after that, they surface it from The Washington Post to whatever, bring it out within 30 days or so of the election and this is supposed to be the death blow and everybody writes him off, ‘Okay, he’s dead, now you better get to get out of the way and let Mike Pence run the campaign.’”

“The Donald says no,” he continued. “He’s like the phoenix. They think he’s dead, he’s come back. And he came back strong. So, he won that debate.”

http://bizstandardnews.com/wp-conten...-eyes-shut.jpg


*Faux christian speaking about a faux human. THIS is a far cry from him discussing Bill Clinton back in the day.

Why what Trump was caught on tape saying is such a big deal. MOST men do not brag about sexually assaulting women, why? because MOST men know right from wrong. THIS, shows us Trump does not know right from wrong. This man is broken, no redeeming him, no educating him.

The party has veered so far to the right that a whack job like Trump could be chosen as their presidential nominee. Trump is symptom of just how broken the party has become. Even though I disagree with most of what they have ever stood for... that's still a very bad thing for the US.

At some point... hopefully soon ... because they are imploding... they will.look at where they are now and ask themselves "What the f*ck are we doing?!" "How the f*ck did we get here?!"

I talk to myself all the time I just don't do it in a discussion forum.

I expect when I post something in a political thread someone might have something to say back. Otherwise, why would I even bother. People don't always respond to my posts and that's okay too, but I just don't throw things out there to talk to myself. That seems very odd to me.

I haven't been hostile to you. I was very clear in my posts - which you can either ignore or respond to as you wish.