This is strictly my own opinion so I'm not basing this off any factual stuff found online or by listening to news media, the government or even CDC.

I can't listen to them right now. Why? Because I do not trust them. Why again? Because instead of letting people know the best things to do to protect themselves from the get go, all they said was, "Oh don't worry. There's no way Ebola will ever reach our shores."

Bullshit.

When it did reach our shores then it turned to, "Oh don't worry. The hospital is equipped to deal with this and are treating this seriously." Instead we find out that not only were the health care workers not properly equipped but obviously not drilled over and over and over and over on how to properly take off possibly infected clothing after dealing with the patient. On top of that, the ball got dropped by allowing "self monitoring" then giving the okay for one nurse who was possibly beginning to show signs to travel on a plane.

Bullshit number two.

Again, this is strictly my own opinion and my opinion is that until the CDC, the government and whoever else has actual, frontline knowledge of Ebola begin telling people in plain, straightforward English on the basic, fundamental things to do to protect themselves, I will continue to take most of what they say as bullshit.

I totally get and understand why they do not wish to "inspire panic and hysteria". I get it. It can lead to more damage and harm being done to those who aren't even sick with Ebola. But guess what? That can happen now, when people who are getting scared DON'T have the correct knowledge and education on this disease.

And while I'm on the topic, the government sure as fuck didn't help me to feel any safer or more confident that they'll start handling the ball instead of dropping it by naming someone who has NO fucking knowledge or skill in the field of medicine to head up and coordinate "the U.S. response to Ebola". Yes, he's got "great management experience both inside the government as well as the private sector" but what happens if, god forbid, this shit does blow up?

Bullshit number three, for me.

I sincerely hope with all of my heart and soul they prove my fears wrong. I really really really do.

Final point, education is key key KEY.

My Buck Twenty's Worth,
Brute.

Please no name calling.

I used Kelts post to respond to his thoughts, so he was right to think i was responding in part to what he said...i'm on an ipad and can't snip the part i want to respond to, so maybe he felt i was jumping on him.

I want discussion here, but because we can't see people or their tone of voice, it is easy to assume anger or nastiness. I just want to voice my fears, read what's written, listen to other opinions and sort through all of it to find reassurance and peace in my heart.

I did open with a fact check, but otherwise was engaging in open dialog. I just did ‘fuss and argue’ my point, done. I was clarifying my opinion.

No I don’t expect everyone to agree with me, I think it’s clear my thoughts on media hype are in the minority.

I'm not trying to minimize anything about ebola, as I stated above. I don't understand promoting panic, but that is just a difference of opinion which I expressed. I get that others feel differently.

I wasn't name calling anyone, I just thought the same thing as you to some degree and agreed. Everyone has an opinion and is more than welcome to post it, no matter if I agree with it or not, and I just don't think sitting back and letting someone else say something about media hype is right. I post what I find from live news from Dallas so everyone reading this thread knows what's being told to us HERE WHERE I LIVE Near DALLAS. I'm not creating panic or hype, I'm just relaying my thoughts and what's being told to US that live here near Dallas or in Dallas from Dallas News.

I too voice my fears, call bullshit out from the news, and read and listen to others opinions on this thread and try to find reassurance in the healthcare system here as well as the CDC and WHO(world health organization). This way I can sleep at night and not worry about some severe epidemic happening near me.

There must be confusion here.

I posted a link to an article about the control of ebola in Nigeria. MsTinkerbelly replied with four points, one I fact checked, two I agreed with, and the last I disagreed with.

Why are you upset?

I"m not, Kelt, I just thought what you said about promoting media hype was not what is going on in this thread. That's it.

well, i feel a huge weight lifted now that the 2 nurses are being well taken care of in facilities that are equipped and have staff that are highly trained...alot of fears have been alleviated...even so we still have fears of being accidentally exposed by passengers on frontier flight 1143 and passengers on a carnival cruise to mexico boarded by a lab tech from presby...the cruise ship was not allowed to dock in mexico and is on its way back to galveston....

Thank you for this Kobi, very very well said. I heartily agree.

I'd submit that another possibility with these caregivers had much less to do with being less than honest or having questionable judgment and more to do with being overworked, understaffed, and possibly undertrained.

I know a lot of damned fine caregivers who would not risk their families, much less their own health, over even the slightest hint of possibility of contracting what could be one of the least curable viruses we've seen in a long time (speaking strictly as a lay person on the potentiality of the deadliness here, if someone is an epidemiologist, please do correct me).

I believe they are doing the best they can with what they have.

As for the hospital executives, I don't consider them caregivers (especially if they've never donned scrubs or touched a bedpan full of someone else's diarrhea). They don't have the same incentive to follow the CDC guidelines as the hands-on caregivers do. Their lives are not at stake on the same level.

I just read an article about the crew of an American Airlines flight out of Dallas locked a woman who threw up in the aisle in the bathroom for the last half of her flight.

Guess what color she was?

All good points and examples.

So as a result of the decisions of a few individuals we now have a whole lot of people who will be "self-monitoring" for the foreseeable future. Because that's worked out so well so far.

Now we have the court of public opinion taking action. Also going well.

*yes, I'm being sarcastic, but it's pretty much true*

The next logical question might be; who has the authority to enforce a quarantine on US citizens? It turns out the answer might be 'nobody'. I heard that come up briefly and quietly go down to 'probably state and local officials'.

I took a quick peek, nothing in depth, and it looks like it might just be states or their health departments varying by state. (needs verification) Nothing could go wrong with that comprehensive plan.

I really hope some governing body has this front and center on their radar, it could go downhill quickly. Maybe it will get handed off to Ron Klain.

I thought I read somewhere that the state public health centers/state governments now have the power to ask people to not leave their homes and self monitor...or something like that.

I don't know much about Ron Klain (or the specifics of his role besides guiding the management of handling this crisis), however, it seems as though they are making the assumption that Klain will not look to the medical professionals to guide his decisions. Everyone is upset that there is not a medical person in place to navigate all of this, but a medical person does not automatically a good "manager" make. I would rather have a guy in charge who has experience in systems management who will seek expert guidance for his decisions, than a person who is an expert, but has no idea how to execute the task (systems management), at hand. Think of the learning curve on that one? Most people aren't good at both.

I agree, that was mostly tongue in cheek. He actually sounds pretty well qualified for a constantly evolving national situation and I'm sure medical counsel will be brought in to co-advise or whatever they will call it. I'm just waiting for the clown cars and rest of the circus to pull into town.

As we've already seen, having a government agency ask someone to self monitor may work but if there are no teeth to it, it is optional. It is hard to imagine anyone not complying, but again, most of my concerns are of the hype driven panic/hysteria actions that are surely to show up at some point.

I should be clear, I'm not in favor of executive orders being put into place that strip us of our civil rights. I just don't know how the outliers in this situation will be handled. I seems like anytime local agencies are tasked with managing something that crosses state lines, things go awry.

Frequently asked questions about Ebola, answered by CDC, dated 10/17/2014:

http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/20...-questions.pdf

Fear, it addicting
 

The epidemic we should all be worried about that is spreading like wild fire is the XENOPHOBIA and FEAR that this is causing in our spaces... I cringe when I hear or read things like

"foreigners"

"woman locked in plane lavatory"

"Those Africans"

"Those People"

"Keep them out"

"Africans should be banned from entry"

"Close our Borders"

It's troubling, sad and not helpful to what is really going on with the Ebola contamination....

Thank you
 

i guess i fell into false sense of security being here in dallas and the fact that the governor did not make a declaration of emergency in which "the county judge or mayor of a municipality may control ingress to and egress from a disaster area under the jurisdiction and authority of the county judge or mayor and control the movement of persons and the occupancy of premises in that area.” that did not happen...


now a woman who got on dallas public transportation (DART) was greeted with men in hazmat suits...
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...AZMAT-On-Scene apparently several people threw up on the dart rail today...

i am wondering if is just the normal seasonal flu going around, or people are so stressed out about ebola that they cant even leave their homes with out throwing up....this woman spit on the train platform and was taken away....

please people dont panic...

Don't you think on any given day several people throw up while on public transportation? Are people really getting "taken away?"

I was thinking about this very thing today. I was remembering how people with AIDS were treated during the initial outbreak. It is terrible but it is fear causes people to act this way. Until we know more about the virus, I'm afraid this is how it will be.

but it doesn't have to be
 

People should be cautionary period, not just because Ebola is on the news.. We should wash our hands, have safe,sex, not eat processed foods, clean kitty litter with gloves and masks on, not smoke, not eat fried food, teach our kids to wash their hands after sneezing into them etc etc..


What is happening is some racist, separatist mentality, where black peoples or African people will become easy targets for the xenophobes, radical nut jobs, ignorant folks. People have and will continue to be self appointed heros who will say, do, act stoopid and offensive, it didn't have to be that way with AIDS like you said, that was a total disgusting way that homophobic rhetoric and hate was advocated by them in the name of zealotry and bigotry(including our own Government cough Reagan).. We have Faux news spreading fear and ignorance and as a people we shouldn't shrug it off cause it's expected we should be aware that if groups of people are going to be blamed so are the rest of us (see Pat Robertson he blames the gays for everything)..

We've (this country) adopted a new (for the time being) hate agenda, last month it was focused on Muslims, this week Africans & Blacks.. It's alarming when people start looking at at black folk sizing up what region their from to figure out if they could be contaminated or not, it's uncomfortable to read, see and hear about. That's more scary, the nonchalant way we are expected to be about unreasonable, xenophobic, non factual hysteria..