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JDeere 02-07-2018 02:32 PM

My trip next week. Not knowing what to do with myself since I'm not working.

Kobi 02-07-2018 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Mopsie (Post 1197423)
Have you thought about trying a steamer?

It works great on things like yoga pants and tank tops.

A lot easier than ironing. :)


Never thought of using a steamer. Must investigate this. Thank you for the suggestion. :)

JDeere 02-07-2018 08:20 PM

I really need to find a hobby before I get back into working again!

Martina 02-11-2018 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JDeere (Post 1197425)
My trip next week. Not knowing what to do with myself since I'm not working.

Perhaps you should look into collecting Hello Kitty items. Maybe start out with the rifle or the cowboy boots. ;)

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.d...QEsDg&pid=15.1

JDeere 02-11-2018 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Martina (Post 1197891)
Perhaps you should look into collecting Hello Kitty items. Maybe start out with the rifle or the cowboy boots. ;)

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.d...QEsDg&pid=15.1

BAHAHAHAHA NO!

Nothing HK related. :blink:

JDeere 02-11-2018 08:49 PM

I'm so beyond excited for this trip!

BIG MONEY COME ON BIG MONEY!! lol

Gemme 02-12-2018 05:51 AM

The Universe is not happy with Our tax returns being held up by the government shutdown and has provided, separately, a little bit of unexpected income for each of Us. Happy!

VintageFemme 02-12-2018 11:50 AM

My precious brilliant and beautiful grandson that I got to spend this past weekend with. It's so amazing to be a grandmother aka his Mina; no words to describe it.

Also, I'm always looking for our community on social media sites. I'm no longer on Facebook but I am on Instagram (faireunvoeu_ig) and Twitter (faireunvoeu) and it's really hard to find y'all! So find me ツ and if I don't follow back right away, drop me a message on whatever site it is, to let me know who you are so I will!

And, looking back and all that it implies . . .

akiza 02-19-2018 01:58 AM

it's raining since 12 pm yeah!!! ^-^

JDeere 02-19-2018 04:23 AM

Her words.... I can't get them out of my head.

charley 02-20-2018 07:11 AM

the "post-truth" world
 
In 2016, Oxford Dictionaries made the adjective "post-truth" the word of the year:
"Relating to or denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief."
‘in this era of post-truth politics, it's easy to cherry-pick data and come to whatever conclusion you desire’
‘some commentators have observed that we are living in a post-truth age’


The following excerpt from a Forbes article by Dr. Moore (and co-written by Timmons) explains quite a bit of what is going on out there: click here
How Do We Navigate A 'Post-Truth' World? Follow The Millennials

As a boomer, navigating in the post-truth world surrounded by zombies, I cannot find a good reason to write a thread on meditation (discerning what is true and what is false).

Kobi 02-20-2018 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by charley (Post 1199055)
In 2016, Oxford Dictionaries made the adjective "post-truth" the word of the year:
"Relating to or denoting circumstances in which objective facts are less influential in shaping public opinion than appeals to emotion and personal belief."
‘in this era of post-truth politics, it's easy to cherry-pick data and come to whatever conclusion you desire’
‘some commentators have observed that we are living in a post-truth age’


The following excerpt from a Forbes article by Dr. Moore (and co-written by Timmons) explains quite a bit of what is going on out there: click here
How Do We Navigate A 'Post-Truth' World? Follow The Millennials

As a boomer, navigating in the post-truth world surrounded by zombies, I cannot find a good reason to write a thread on meditation (discerning what is true and what is false).


Interesting post.

What the dictionary is saying is something new called "post-truth", I refer to as the reality of reality. Jane Wagner summed it up perfectly in Signs of Intelligent Life...."reality is nothing more than a collective hunch".

It is not really new. It has been going on since the beginning of time as humans have tried to make sense of what they see, hear, and experience. Perceptions change over time for many different reasons.

One can rarely be certain about "facts" because "facts" are designed to create a certain reality for a certain purpose or to create conflicting realities for the same reasons.

It is not unusual for one to also seek out "facts" which support what one believes or thinks is true while just presuming what does not coincide with what one believes is automatically false or outdated. "Truth" might (and that's a big might) lie somewhere in between.

It is also not unusual for perceptions to change, over time, due to differing circumstances, experiences and marketing telling us what we should believe and why.

Add to that, that one can often find many different sets of conflicting "facts" which all contribute to the sense of what is reality. They all have validity in their own way. Human judgement on these "facts" influences what we are drawn to, what we discard, and what we save for a rainy day.

Being human, we are easily swayed and governed by our emotions. All marketing (even political marketing) is geared to manipulating our perceptions of reality. It is easier to manipulate perceptions if one focuses on evoking an emotional response and to keep fine tuning it until you achieve the desired result.

Personally, I find it easier to remain mindful of how easy it is to manipulate people, their opinion, and their emotions. I try to take everything with a grain of salt cuz the one thing I am becoming acquainted with is nothing is as it appears and everything I think I might know has an opposite and equally valid side to it.

Life was a heck of a lot easier when I believed things were either right or wrong, black or white. In reality, they are a collective hunch of shades of gray.

Thank you. This gives me something to ponder on my walk today.



Kobi 02-20-2018 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 1199062)

Interesting post.

What the dictionary is saying is something new called "post-truth", I refer to as the reality of reality. Jane Wagner summed it up perfectly in Signs of Intelligent Life...."reality is nothing more than a collective hunch".

It is not really new. It has been going on since the beginning of time as humans have tried to make sense of what they see, hear, and experience. Perceptions change over time for many different reasons.

One can rarely be certain about "facts" because "facts" are designed to create a certain reality for a certain purpose or to create conflicting realities for the same reasons.

It is not unusual for one to also seek out "facts" which support what one believes or thinks is true while just presuming what does not coincide with what one believes is automatically false or outdated. "Truth" might (and that's a big might) lie somewhere in between.

It is also not unusual for perceptions to change, over time, due to differing circumstances, experiences and marketing telling us what we should believe and why.

Add to that, that one can often find many different sets of conflicting "facts" which all contribute to the sense of what is reality. They all have validity in their own way. Human judgement on these "facts" influences what we are drawn to, what we discard, and what we save for a rainy day.

Being human, we are easily swayed and governed by our emotions. All marketing (even political marketing) is geared to manipulating our perceptions of reality. It is easier to manipulate perceptions if one focuses on evoking an emotional response and to keep fine tuning it until you achieve the desired result.

Personally, I find it easier to remain mindful of how easy it is to manipulate people, their opinion, and their emotions. I try to take everything with a grain of salt cuz the one thing I am becoming acquainted with is nothing is as it appears and everything I think I might know has an opposite and equally valid side to it.

Life was a heck of a lot easier when I believed things were either right or wrong, black or white. In reality, they are a collective hunch of shades of gray.

Thank you. This gives me something to ponder on my walk today.




Forgot to add, the 2 emotions that are easiest to evoke and most dangerous are anger and fear - both are manifested in many different ways. Once evoked, manipulating them to a preferred perception is a piece of cake....except, people who are angry and/or afraid can be very unpredictable and hard to control. Scary shit.

charley 02-20-2018 04:03 PM

truth vs. belief
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobi (Post 1199062)

Interesting post.

What the dictionary is saying is something new called "post-truth", I refer to as the reality of reality. Jane Wagner summed it up perfectly in Signs of Intelligent Life...."reality is nothing more than a collective hunch".

It is not really new. It has been going on since the beginning of time as humans have tried to make sense of what they see, hear, and experience. Perceptions change over time for many different reasons.

One can rarely be certain about "facts" because "facts" are designed to create a certain reality for a certain purpose or to create conflicting realities for the same reasons.

It is not unusual for one to also seek out "facts" which support what one believes or thinks is true while just presuming what does not coincide with what one believes is automatically false or outdated. "Truth" might (and that's a big might) lie somewhere in between.

It is also not unusual for perceptions to change, over time, due to differing circumstances, experiences and marketing telling us what we should believe and why.

Add to that, that one can often find many different sets of conflicting "facts" which all contribute to the sense of what is reality. They all have validity in their own way. Human judgement on these "facts" influences what we are drawn to, what we discard, and what we save for a rainy day.

Being human, we are easily swayed and governed by our emotions. All marketing (even political marketing) is geared to manipulating our perceptions of reality. It is easier to manipulate perceptions if one focuses on evoking an emotional response and to keep fine tuning it until you achieve the desired result.

Personally, I find it easier to remain mindful of how easy it is to manipulate people, their opinion, and their emotions. I try to take everything with a grain of salt cuz the one thing I am becoming acquainted with is nothing is as it appears and everything I think I might know has an opposite and equally valid side to it.

Life was a heck of a lot easier when I believed things were either right or wrong, black or white. In reality, they are a collective hunch of shades of gray.

Thank you. This gives me something to ponder on my walk today.

Now, it is crucial here to distinguish between a "fact" and a "belief".
The fact that the sun rises is a an observable fact, as all facts are. Anyone can verify the truth of a fact. Seeing the truth of something is always freeing, as well as seeing the falseness of something.
A belief is something which is held to be true only by the person who believes it.
And that is the difference between a "fact" and a "belief". People who start off with strong beliefs usually end up in confusion and uncertainty; and, being disillusioned with their beliefs, end up thinking that everything lies on some grey scale - that there is no such thing as "right" or "wrong".
Insofar as I am concerned, it is also a belief that everything is "a collective hunch of shades of gray". Making such an affirmation is in fact just a reaction against all the beliefs that one has been inundated with. And that was not the point I was making in my original post.
I would also add that the entire West has been conditioned to accept without questioning many things as fact. In fact, skepticism has been put on the back burners in the Western culture. But like anything, skepticism without any degree of self-restraint only leads to cynicism.

Kobi 02-20-2018 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by charley (Post 1199110)
Now, it is crucial here to distinguish between a "fact" and a "belief".
The fact that the sun rises is a an observable fact, as all facts are. Anyone can verify the truth of a fact. Seeing the truth of something is always freeing, as well as seeing the falseness of something.
A belief is something which is held to be true only by the person who believes it.
And that is the difference between a "fact" and a "belief". People who start off with strong beliefs usually end up in confusion and uncertainty; and, being disillusioned with their beliefs, end up thinking that everything lies on some grey scale - that there is no such thing as "right" or "wrong".
Insofar as I am concerned, it is also a belief that everything is "a collective hunch of shades of gray". Making such an affirmation is in fact just a reaction against all the beliefs that one has been inundated with. And that was not the point I was making in my original post.
I would also add that the entire West has been conditioned to accept without questioning many things as fact. In fact, skepticism has been put on the back burners in the Western culture. But like anything, skepticism without any degree of self-restraint only leads to cynicism.


Are you sure you dont want to make a thread for this? Might be very interesting and expansive. :)

You say - "Now, it is crucial here to distinguish between a "fact" and a "belief".

The fact that the sun rises is a an observable fact, as all facts are. Anyone can verify the truth of a fact. Seeing the truth of something is always freeing, as well as seeing the falseness of something."

A sun rise is an observable event in places where the sun does indeed rise. There are places in the arctic where the sun doesnt rise for months on end. Yet, we believe the sun rises somewhere else....even if we cannot observe it. So is it a fact or a belief?

It is along the same line as....if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to observe it, does it still make a noise? Is a glass half full or half empty or both?

Fact? Belief? Perspective? Assumption? Presumption? Interpretation?

Fascinating stuff eh?

It sounds to me like you are saying you believe there are absolute truths and absolute falsehoods or absolute rights and absolute wrongs. If that is the case, how do you explain the concept of diversity or the various shades of navy blue or how different experiences changes what people see as true or false or immaterial?

I respectfully disagree with you on "the entire West has been conditioned to accept without questioning many things as fact." Much of what I see happening in the West for the last decade is the result of people questioning many things that are believed to be fact. Skepticism appears to be front and center not on the back burner. Challenging the status quo in many different ways is skepticism in action.

Overall, I am feeling you are trying to say something but I am missing the point. Can you clarify your point?


~ocean 02-20-2018 06:02 PM

What I see is people who look threw very confused eyes ~ the only truth anyone should be concerned with is the truth within themselves ~ assuming the majority or what is being insinuated as ALL r not truthful. ~ the obvious that the sun will rise and the sun will set is mother nature ~ it's not your truth or mine ~ makes me wonder how much truth do you have ~ I would be skeptic to trust someone who can't see their own self truth.

Bèsame* 02-21-2018 07:53 AM

My Dad. His birthday was this past week. I remember the homemade gifts I would give, to spend time with him. Once, there was, dessert of the month. It gave me chance to explore new recipes and share! There was also an appetizer of the month!

I reflect on his advise when I need it the most. I can hear him say...that it's ok, life lesson learned, you can pull yourself up and move on. ...that's only after he let me whine and cry.

I called my Mom this week, and we both had a boo-hoo moment. Sometimes that is all you need to remember that we carry him in our hearts, forever.

Love you Dad, miss you

JDeere 02-22-2018 05:47 AM

A plethora of subjects from voting to finding a new job.

akiza 02-22-2018 06:33 AM

figure thoughts no? too much right now and yeah an headache

girl_dee 02-22-2018 10:48 AM

Setting up housekeeping!!


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