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OS Butch 05-14-2012 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Maverick (Post 584196)
Thanks everyone for your input and support. I'm still deciding whether to do it or not and, at the advice of a close friend and my partner I'm looking into a nickname instead possibly. I'm not hot about the idea but I'm told that people don't like the name I've chosen for myself. I like the name and I know that's what matters so I may just have to get butch and stick with it regardless lol.

Also, I want to say HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY!! to all the mothers out there.

Mav

Dude, I have several names. Legally, my birth name, Joan. Lots of people call me Jo. I wanted a more Butch name than my given name, yet still ummm ...female name. Others call me JJ and Joan and my family calls me Joanie.

Maybe it is an age thing, but really what is in a name? In my opinion, the only time it really matters is in legal papers. My dad found that out at some point because his birth certificate had not been changed from "Baby XXXX" His parents hadn't decided on a name!

You can be called whatever you want. Just tell people that you prefer to be called..whatever you want, then at some point you want to change it legally, do it, but remember it can be a tedious process so make sure you don't have to do it again because you might not really like it anymore.

morningstar55 05-14-2012 06:40 AM

Morning loft dwellers and peekers. ..... thats kinda funny jo... ur dad's real name is XXX? ..... .. anyways still no lap top.. ""sigh " oh well .. have a great day everyone

morningstar55 05-14-2012 06:58 AM

Ok i need a lil vent... and maybe some helpful advice....... seems lately, few times i been around my sister in law.. she has brought up my x co drives name and make.comments nd quesa, why he looks and seems to b like a man... ..i say.. he ah was born that way. Then she wil try 2 disbute that , then i get defensive , i then just leave the room. Ya knw , even though it did not work out driving with my co driver nd i.. i Will, defend his gender and rights.

morningstar55 05-14-2012 08:15 AM

Gues just some thougts , ideas how 2 handle her attitude .. my sister n law can b annoying

OS Butch 05-14-2012 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 584588)
Gues just some thougts , ideas how 2 handle her attitude .. my sister n law can b annoying

One of my mom's favorite things is triumph in silence. Sometimes just walking away is a statement in itself.

Then there is the other hand....Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has got one. Unfortunately, your sister-in-law has more than her share
:blink:

morningstar55 05-14-2012 02:38 PM

Yay, picking up a load via Rochester...and heading 2..... Shreveport lousy ana...ha.... gonna have 2 do a ten hr break along the way somewhere ...about 8 9 hrs frm now .... anyways have a nice evening lofters

OS Butch 05-14-2012 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 584744)
Yay, picking up a load via Rochester...and heading 2..... Shreveport lousy ana...ha.... gonna have 2 do a ten hr break along the way somewhere ...about 8 9 hrs frm now .... anyways have a nice evening lofters

Be safe out there. I am sure you are gonna run into rain along the way.

morningstar55 05-20-2012 04:51 AM

Morning loft dwellers and peekers .. i cant believe being a member of a web site , that is supposed 2 b a great source for support ,and friendships.... that i didnt get any thought on ideas how 2 handle people like my sister in law.. maybe sm of you experienced these kind of questions and such. Anyways hope everyone is having a great weekend.

ruthie14 05-20-2012 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 584571)
Ok i need a lil vent... and maybe some helpful advice....... seems lately, few times i been around my sister in law.. she has brought up my x co drives name and make.comments nd quesa, why he looks and seems to b like a man... ..i say.. he ah was born that way. Then she wil try 2 disbute that , then i get defensive , i then just leave the room. Ya knw , even though it did not work out driving with my co driver nd i.. i Will, defend his gender and rights.

Hey Morningstar... haven't been on since last week so I didn't see your post. Some people will just never see the truth. Nor do they want to. If it were me, next time she brings it up, I would tell her the subject is off limits... if she insisted, I would leave the room. That's just me. I applaud your defense of him, but as you have done so, she knows how you feel, and she still is annoying about... then this is more about annoying you and than about her prejudice against people who are different than herself. Just my opinion, but for me, I would change the subject or walk out of the room.

Hope your laptop gets fixed!!! That must suck!

hugs,
Ruthie :wine:

ruthie14 05-20-2012 08:41 AM

Morning lofters, turned 50 in march and because of time constraints, finally had my party yesterday. I had a 60's theme (although few dressed the part). People were lovely, had a wonderful time, except I had a small migraine most of the day. After folks left, it got worse and I ended up at the er. Mom took me and we didn't get home until 4:30 am. Birds were singing. oye.

Beautiful weather today... going to hang out and relax.

Have a wonderful sunday!
Ruthie

morningstar55 05-20-2012 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ruthie14 (Post 588362)
Hey Morningstar... haven't been on since last week so I didn't see your post. Some people will just never see the truth. Nor do they want to. If it were me, next time she brings it up, I would tell her the subject is off limits... if she insisted, I would leave the room. That's just me. I applaud your defense of him, but as you have done so, she knows how you feel, and she still is annoying about... then this is more about annoying you and than about her prejudice against people who are different than herself. Just my opinion, but for me, I would change the subject or walk out of the room.

Hope your laptop gets fixed!!! That must suck!

hugs,
Ruthie :wine:

Ty .... agree.... this last time i did , leave the room.. i was kinda surprised she brought it up... AGAIN....and as soon as i walked in the door. And i noticed oter people sitting there.... i got a lil aggravated , and told hr im not talking about it cuz i already gave u answers.. b4....so i left the room.

rustedrims 05-20-2012 12:56 PM

ok Star...

I havent been in here for a long time..Had a little un-wanted stress for a few months..I will make myself visiable and tell you the perfect thing to say to your sister-in-law..This will make her speachless or get her to studder..

Let her come to you do not approach her..
When she ask you those questions again look her right in the eye and say -Are you asking for yourself or for a friend.??.-Look her in the eye and dont blink..Let her walk away from you and do not walk away from her..
If she still wants to pursue the subject say -cause i can hook ya up.- Keep looking in her eyes and do not walk away from her..Stay on her about hooking her up and tell her you can see couriousity in her eyes..

Try that and let me know how it goes..I have said it a few times to guys at work and it is very entertaining to watch them squirm and studder..
good luck..

morningstar55 05-20-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rustedrims (Post 588474)
ok Star...

I havent been in here for a long time..Had a little un-wanted stress for a few months..I will make myself visiable and tell you the perfect thing to say to your sister-in-law..This will make her speachless or get her to studder..

Let her come to you do not approach her..
When she ask you those questions again look her right in the eye and say -Are you asking for yourself or for a friend.??.-Look her in the eye and dont blink..Let her walk away from you and do not walk away from her..
If she still wants to pursue the subject say -cause i can hook ya up.- Keep looking in her eyes and do not walk away from her..Stay on her about hooking her up and tell her you can see couriousity in her eyes..

Try that and let me know how it goes..I have said it a few times to guys at work and it is very entertaining to watch them squirm and studder..
good luck..

Haha.... wil keep that in mind... another thing she keeps repeating, is that its my x co driver's that she chooses 2 dresses manly.... and i throw the same ? Bk at her.the way she dresses etc. .... ok am getting aggravated thinking about ths crap she comes up with..... and she is the only person in al my family that does this..... just annoying

rustedrims 05-20-2012 02:49 PM

ok Star
 
Same thing..
Ask your sister-in-law if she wants to take your x driver shopping.?.
Say she has tuesdays off and can probly be ready around 11-11:30 and she will probly buy you lunch..Just throw it back at her..Tell her your x driver might need some new under clothes to..That might get her shopping for boxers or tightey whites for a butch woman..

good luck

morningstar55 05-20-2012 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by rustedrims (Post 588599)
Same thing..
Ask your sister-in-law if she wants to take your x driver shopping.?.
Say she has tuesdays off and can probly be ready around 11-11:30 and she will probly buy you lunch..Just throw it back at her..Tell her your x driver might need some new under clothes to..That might get her shopping for boxers or tightey whites for a butch woman..

good luck

Ha... that would b kinda funny..but um my.x co driver lives a few states away. Not that it would happen an...ways..... well next month wil b another family cook out, will hope she bhaves herself.

rustedrims 05-20-2012 05:02 PM

Hey Star tell her your x driver is going to be in town visiting family..
You could still hook her up..
Gotta think fast..

morningstar55 05-20-2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rustedrims (Post 588716)
Hey Star tell her your x driver is going to be in town visiting family..
You could still hook her up..
Gotta think fast..

Ha... maybe, i think am gona just , ignore her closed ignorant mind.

ruthie14 05-20-2012 08:23 PM

RR.. you are so funnY! I love it!

rustedrims 05-20-2012 08:54 PM

Hey Ruthie
 
i got a million of em..

ruthie14 05-21-2012 05:03 PM

Well, surgery is scheduled for June 13 on my elbow and then we will see about my wrist. Will be out of work at least 2 weeks...work has suggested disability and to stay out 3 or 4 weeks. Not sure if I can afford it. Worried it might be contested because it was a work injury. We shall see. sigh

Girl Friday 05-21-2012 06:33 PM

They say age is all in your mind, right?

Five years ago I'd just begun my 40s.

Today, as that 5 years comes to a close, I'm 150.

(crossing my fingers someone is nodding their head, saying "Yep. I get that.")

OS Butch 05-21-2012 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 588292)
Morning loft dwellers and peekers .. i cant believe being a member of a web site , that is supposed 2 b a great source for support ,and friendships.... that i didnt get any thought on ideas how 2 handle people like my sister in law.. maybe sm of you experienced these kind of questions and such. Anyways hope everyone is having a great weekend.


I guess I don't count:| And here I thought I was being supportive.

OS Butch 05-21-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ruthie14 (Post 589384)
Well, surgery is scheduled for June 13 on my elbow and then we will see about my wrist. Will be out of work at least 2 weeks...work has suggested disability and to stay out 3 or 4 weeks. Not sure if I can afford it. Worried it might be contested because it was a work injury. We shall see. sigh


Hey Ruthie, please keep us informed! I have the same problem with my elbow and just keep putting it off. Got too many things to do to take a few weeks off! Let me know if there is anything I can do, you are only about 3-4 hours away.

OS Butch 05-21-2012 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Girl Friday (Post 589449)
They say age is all in your mind, right?

Five years ago I'd just begun my 40s.

Today, as that 5 years comes to a close, I'm 150.

(crossing my fingers someone is nodding their head, saying "Yep. I get that.")

We all have days like that! Happy Monday:)

Girl Friday 05-21-2012 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by OS Butch (Post 584689)

<snip>
One of my mom's favorite things is triumph in silence. Sometimes just walking away is a statement in itself.

I like this. It's classy and it doesn't escalate things. It doesn't contribute to drama and it gives everyone a chance to breathe and rethink things.


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Originally Posted by rustedrims
Same thing..
Ask your sister-in-law if she wants to take your x driver shopping.?.
Say she has tuesdays off and can probly be ready around 11-11:30 and she will probly buy you lunch..Just throw it back at her..Tell her your x driver might need some new under clothes to..That might get her shopping for boxers or tightey whites for a butch woman..

This shows a sense of humor if nothing else. Sometimes humor is the only way to deal with difficult people. Laughing usually has the effect of shutting them up or confusing them. Either way they've got something else to think about besides whatever they were being ridiculous about.

OS Butch 05-21-2012 10:24 PM

ever have one of those nights you just can't get to sleep?! guess I will go play words or look on Facebook....

rustedrims 05-22-2012 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OS Butch (Post 589610)
ever have one of those nights you just can't get to sleep?! guess I will go play words or look on Facebook....

yeah every night ..Monday through friday..I work at night but last night i did fall a sleep in my chair..a friend of mine cought me and said you were smiling..I told her i was some place pleasent and not here..Cant remember where i was..

ladyhawkxx 05-22-2012 07:44 AM

Age. Numbers. Only as young as you feel. I would have shrugged it off a couple of years ago as another "ism"... but today - just a few days past turning 52... I can't seem to shrug it off. There is a perpetual "crease" in my face that is unescapable. Every time I look in the mirror, there it is. No, I'm no longer the "young chippee" on the block. In fact, I crossed that bridge quite a long time ago. And I'm ok with that. But why does time have to be so Cruel? She is, you know. She is cruel - and seemingly, especially, to womyn. *sighs* *shakes head* I never considered a lift of any kind... until this morning....

morningstar55 05-22-2012 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by OS Butch (Post 589483)
I guess I don't count:| And here I thought I was being supportive.

omg((((((((((((((((((OS)))))))))))))))) lol you always count... ;) in more ways then one.. heh... i do have a ? ........ have you ever encountered someone quiestioning you.. on who you are?? the way you dress etc??? how do you handle it??

(((((ruth)))) wishing you a speedy recovery

rusty ...... when are we gonna meet up for a ice cream ??? err or a coffee?? lol
yes have had nights i couldnt sleep.....
im in canada cant play words till i get bk to state side... BUT tis truck stop here has FREE internet and computers... HA!!!
anyways .......... i gos to go ...
have a good day everyone.

morningstar55 05-22-2012 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyhawkxx (Post 589735)
Age. Numbers. Only as young as you feel. I would have shrugged it off a couple of years ago as another "ism"... but today - just a few days past turning 52... I can't seem to shrug it off. There is a perpetual "crease" in my face that is unescapable. Every time I look in the mirror, there it is. No, I'm no longer the "young chippee" on the block. In fact, I crossed that bridge quite a long time ago. And I'm ok with that. But why does time have to be so Cruel? She is, you know. She is cruel - and seemingly, especially, to womyn. *sighs* *shakes head* I never considered a lift of any kind... until this morning....

welcome to the Loft ... Lady ... NO canes or walkers required... lol
i just turnd 57... i try to think about my age number... just enjoying life and feel blessed to wake up each morning and enjoy yet another day on this planet. :)

ladyhawkxx 05-22-2012 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by morningstar55 (Post 589784)
welcome to the Loft ... Lady ... NO canes or walkers required... lol
i just turnd 57... i try to think about my age number... just enjoying life and feel blessed to wake up each morning and enjoy yet another day on this planet. :)


You are soooo very right, morningstar! (parks Hoveround)... *nodding head in agreement* and I DO feel blessed to wake up each morning.... Lord. I feel blessed to wake up at all... lolol!! And thanks for the welcome... I'll be spending a good bit of time here, I think!!!! BTW, did those stairs come with the place?

morningstar55 05-22-2012 04:54 PM

"The truest form of Love is how you behave toward someone;
Not just how you feel about them." ~ Steve Hall

WingsOnFire 05-22-2012 06:41 PM

Oh my goodness it has been ages since I posted in this thread.. How is everyone doing? Will have to catch up on whats happening with everyone...

It is cold in Oregon today... been in the 70s today its 54 but feels more like 40 lol.. I havent been around cold like this in a while so I guess I will get used to it..

OS Butch 05-22-2012 07:16 PM

Good evening folks! Been playing in the arcade again. I really need to stop doing that because it gets my brain to active and then I can't fall asleep. I hope everyone had a great weekend!

ruthie14 05-22-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OS Butch (Post 589494)

Hey Ruthie, please keep us informed! I have the same problem with my elbow and just keep putting it off. Got too many things to do to take a few weeks off! Let me know if there is anything I can do, you are only about 3-4 hours away.

awwww Os.... aren't you sweet! I will let you know for sure.

Looks like work is going to give me a hard time. First they said it wouldn't be covered under workmans comp bc it was over a month since it happened. Dr. said I should get a letter from them stating that it was denied and why. After 2 weeks, today I insisted...NOW... after cortizone shots, drs visits and surgery is now scheduled... today they called workmans comp. Claim they said they weren't sure it was covered after a month (REALLY?? I'm 50 not stupid). So now the claim is in, and I have no idea what that means for my surgery. I will have to have another surgery on my wrist. This place has a history of cutting your hours and making things miserable for you if you don't play nice. I played nice and now this is what it is getting me! I need to get out of this job, but I can't before all this is resolved. Not sure what if anything i can do with this injury. I need to get if fixed, it happened here, but I can't afford it on my own. Insurance may not pay for it if workman's comp won't pay for it. Jeeze...

Deep, deep breath.........................................

WingsOnFire 05-22-2012 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ruthie14 (Post 590074)
awwww Os.... aren't you sweet! I will let you know for sure.

Looks like work is going to give me a hard time. First they said it wouldn't be covered under workmans comp bc it was over a month since it happened. Dr. said I should get a letter from them stating that it was denied and why. After 2 weeks, today I insisted...NOW... after cortizone shots, drs visits and surgery is now scheduled... today they called workmans comp. Claim they said they weren't sure it was covered after a month (REALLY?? I'm 50 not stupid). So now the claim is in, and I have no idea what that means for my surgery. I will have to have another surgery on my wrist. This place has a history of cutting your hours and making things miserable for you if you don't play nice. I played nice and now this is what it is getting me! I need to get out of this job, but I can't before all this is resolved. Not sure what if anything i can do with this injury. I need to get if fixed, it happened here, but I can't afford it on my own. Insurance may not pay for it if workman's comp won't pay for it. Jeeze...

Deep, deep breath.........................................

I believe your insurance has to pay for it if your company deems it not work related.. although I know they like to screw you around forever.. I hate that!! I know companies that have paid claims with no issue at all.. how sad for those who have to deal with the crap you are dealing with.. Hugs...

Sending good vibes that it is covered and they dont treat you badly because of it...

OS Butch 05-23-2012 05:09 PM

Good evening:) I am home early and going to play in the arcade...Hopefully since it is early, it won't keep up up late:)

LadyRieinAL 05-23-2012 05:22 PM

Age is just a number
 
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Originally Posted by ladyhawkxx (Post 589735)
Age. Numbers. Only as young as you feel. I would have shrugged it off a couple of years ago as another "ism"... but today - just a few days past turning 52... I can't seem to shrug it off. There is a perpetual "crease" in my face that is unescapable. Every time I look in the mirror, there it is. No, I'm no longer the "young chippee" on the block. In fact, I crossed that bridge quite a long time ago. And I'm ok with that. But why does time have to be so Cruel? She is, you know. She is cruel - and seemingly, especially, to womyn. *sighs* *shakes head* I never considered a lift of any kind... until this morning....

Ladyhawk, I'm 57 - and I have had issues, as I age, with the person I have seen when I look in the mirror. How did those lines get there?
And the other day I found myself talking to my four year old granddaughter , Nina, why do you have lines on your face and hands......Well Willow, Ninna has lived a very long time, and she has seen and been many places, and these lines tell a story about all those places Nina has been. Nina is very proud of what she has learned in all the places that she has been. And she said, Nina, when I get old will I have those many lines, and I said, yes, sweet one you will. And she said, I hope I don't get as old as you. LOL (out of the mouths of babes) I didn't have the heart to tell her she really doesn't have a choice. LOL
And LadyHawk, I hope the next person that is invited to co-create life with me, understands it took some doing for the lines to appear and they tell a magnificent journey for anyone who wants to share life line stories. :spruceup:

rustedrims 05-23-2012 05:50 PM

hi Lady
 
Very well said..That little girl sounds like a blast to be around..
Take good care of her..

starrynitesfemme 05-23-2012 08:24 PM

Hi everyone...
 
Hi there, I'm happy to see this space, at 43, i'm still trying to sort out being this age... I wrote this, and thought perhaps I would share:

Growing older is an odd thing, to feel 15.. but in this 43 year old body.. to be growing older at all, considering my history is.. a miracle. A miracle I say many prayerful thanks for each day, as much as I may grumble and fuss about the aches and pains. But growing older gives us something else, this powerful space of.. THIS is who I am, take it or leave it, like it, love it.. or walk away. I truly love growing into that space, feeling myself stretch and grow, knowing myself better every single day. There are very few things I can say with confidence about myself, but one very important one I can: I love well. I love wholly, unconditionally, without boundaries and with no apologies. I find some folks are very uncomfortable in that space, but now, older, perhaps wiser, I no longer apologize for it or me in any fashion. I am grateful to be here, now, my feet on the earth, my hands doing their very best to type the words my mind feeds them and love in my heart. I am grateful for each connection, each moment, each breath.. and each step, because the next step, is all I have to worry about.

I hope each of you has a wonderful eve.. ♥


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