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violaine 04-02-2010 09:42 AM

noise pollution-
 
agreed, jess. covering my ears is something i still do to shield from jarring environmental offences.

Andrew, Jr. 04-02-2010 12:28 PM


Belle,

One of the things you can use is the noise reducing headsets. I have a pair that I got at a Church bazzaar. It works miracles for me.

violaine 04-08-2010 11:14 PM

sue rubin - autism is a w o r l d
 
“The last thing I want to clarify is that no matter how much social interaction one has, one will never be free of autism. The tendencies to be and act in certain ways may subside but I will always be autistic.” - sue rubin

http://www.stateart.com/works.php?workId=27

i found this film at the library last year, and did enjoy watching it because in my mind, the process going into filmmaking, as well as support system to sue rubin [family and friends], seemed to embrace and honestly represent the 'spectrum' of traits associated with autism.

kiriana cowansage-

'The media still has a very long way to go, apparently, before autistic people are written about in a maximally balanced manner. However, it is at least encouraging that some people are recognizing that no, not all of us on the spectrum are male, and that yes, we understand that other people have minds, and that no, we are not schizoid or sociopathic, and that yes, we are capable of learning, having feelings, and leading happy and productive lives.'


http://www.existenceiswonderful.com/...t-paradox.html

wishing everyone a happy friday and weekend - :flowers:

belle

Jess 04-09-2010 06:48 AM

There are a couple films running on the premium channels this month. One is called Mozart and the Whale ( an autism love story) and one is about a mother with an autistic child ( I think Kate Winslett is in it). I can't recall the name of the second one.

Have any of you seen either? We have set up the recorder to tape them so we can watch, but have missed the beginning when scrolling through , so it may be next week before we get to see them.

Will let ya know how they are/ were when we do :)

violaine 04-09-2010 09:02 PM

''... Sharing a language of what society terms social dysfunction does not in and of itself mean that two people with Asperger's share an entirely common language, way of being, or even way of easily connecting... '

http://www.aspergeradults.ca/mozartwhalereview.html


jess,

i have seen mozart and the whale, and enjoyed it [albeit a somewhat sad film]. radha mitchell starred in a very intense and dark movie, not asperger autism related, 'p u 239 / the half life of timofey berezin'.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472156/


have you seen snow cake / this is autism, but not asperger syndrome -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448124/

i really loved how well-suited linda and alex were for each other. his sense of humour- dry/sarcastic - was perfect for her style. the scrabble game is the b.e.s.t. scene.

great quotes-

Linda Freeman:

Neurotypical people are obsessed with having friends. I'm only trying to help you get some.

He stops for one second and he's totally overwhelmed by how big the world is and how small and unimportant he is. And as he turns around, we see his face look to the sky. And he says, very quietly, so that no one can hear him: "Dazlious".




violaine 04-10-2010 08:33 PM

just watched this film with a friend -
 
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289992/

DapperButch 04-18-2010 07:33 AM

Didn't notice this story posted anywhere else...
 
http://www.delawareonline.com/articl...EALTH/4180332/

:)

violaine 04-19-2010 09:21 AM

what do you think about her survival skills, which ultimately saved her life in the [not so tame] environment for five days? i've tried to explain to people that living with heightened sensory issues are for me, perhaps how an animal perceives his/her world- noticing so much visually: tiny pieces of paper, glass, insects, movement, and that is only one of the senses. i have spent enough time around different kinds of animals to notice what they notice, and recognise a similarity or being connected, to the external environment in a likewise manner.

less wired than NT's for [the stuff i do not 'get'], including the need for heavy socialisation, group think, and fitting in with the 'crowd'.

i remember when lake jesup was spelled lake jessup. the girl was lucky to have not been eaten by alligators! i grew up in the area. thank you for sharing the story, Dapperbutch- how are you feeling?

happy for the girl and her family :) love florida, do not miss the alligators and giant mosquitoes!

Andrew, Jr. 04-19-2010 09:50 AM


Belle,

I watched the David Gale movie with my adopted family. It was amazing. Afterwards they all just were quiet.

For me, I have ocd. I obsess on certain things. For example, when I was younger it was my camera. Then on a fishing trip my bio-father threw it in a rage on the boat, breaking it. It confused me more than baiting the lures. We were out deep sea fishing for yellow fin tuna, dolphin, and marlin. And my father was in one of his moods.

Now with being an aspi, my therapist from years ago thought it was a dual diagnosis.

As for friends, I am different. I am not into having oodles. I would rather have a few that have my back at all times. My adopted sister owns her own home building company. I can see how people try to manipulate each other to befriend her. And it isn't for friendship either. They are looking at what she can do for them. I tell her that she has to really watch who is in her life and why. Some see her for her money, and others she her for her spirit. Money is the root of all evil, & believe you me, that is the truth. I have watched that happen over repeatedly.

Andrew

violaine 04-23-2010 01:54 PM

emailed to me from friend on the spectrum -
 
“Contrary to the expectations associated with the label of ‘genius’,” the study noted, “they tended to hold modest goals for themselves …”

To Allan Snyder, however, a genius is someone who changes the way humanity thinks, a path that requires not just a high IQ but the ability to withstand adversity and take on conventional wisdom. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, he points out, were college dropouts who changed the world by creating the personal computer revolution.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1111114147837

Andrew, Jr. 04-23-2010 02:02 PM


Belle,

I think if others can understand and be patient with those who have neuro. issues, then they will "see" a whole new perspective. Most just don't want to "waste their time". I know - I have had it happen to me more times than I can count on 1 hand.

Cyclopea 04-24-2010 02:29 AM

;)
 
http://www.timothyhorrigan.com/docum...nswer-key.html

Andrew, Jr. 04-24-2010 04:59 AM


Cyclopea,

I am not understanding who this Timothy Horrigan is. Is this a book or a writer? Can you please shed some light on this person or book for me?

Thanks,
Andrew

JazzGirl 04-24-2010 07:33 AM

Hi. I, too, am an AT. I am an Aspie who has epilepsy and also Tourette Syndrome. Argh, this is hard to do. My epilepsy is mostly under control. My Tourette's is not. I have a very high IQ. No, I don't scream, yell, swear. I do have vocal and physical tics though. I make unusual sounds I cannot replicate purposely. I look as if I am dancing seated in a chair sometimes and it is totally beyond my control. I try desperately to control all of my tics but when I do they are made far worse than if I had not done so.

I have found, I still have little recognition of facial expressions and do not always recognize, correctly, the emotions of others, either facially and sometimes vocally unless it is a very basic emotional reaction. I am, however, empathic and do have compassion. As I get older, I find I am much more able to "appear normal" without trying so hard. I have come to the place in my life where I really don't give a rat's a** whether others find me NT or not.

I do hear from others, I am open, refreshingly honest, without guise or guile, an innocent, childlike, the glass is half full girl and I would wonder, many years ago, WHY people said those things. I asked. The answers were varied but most were " because you are so wonderfully different. I love your perspectives and the fact that you cannot play mind games. Or Wow, you are able to look at yourself from your own perspective, the perspective of the other person involved and also as if you were a third individual who was simply looking on.

I do not understand vague references. If a word has more than one meaning, I become confused in conversation (so I ask or tell people this.), If a question can have more than one answer I get the RCA dog look. Geez, Not easily confused am I? My teenaged son taught me sarcasm, but only the self deprecating type. I still find 99% of sarcasm, dry humor, any kind of subtley goes right over my head. My facial expressions or even tone of voice do not match at times to my inner emotions. I cannot lie. I spit out the truth even if it means I am in trouble or perceive I could be in trouble IF I perceive it , lol.
* I would suck as a criminal * lol.

I, like others, perseverate on things that hold my interest, but in a much less intense manner than when younger. I now recognize conversational cues much more often and quickly. Again, thanks to my teenaged son. My poor son. But he tells me NO Mom, your son with an advantage cuz I got you as a Mom. I'm rambling. I'll be back later. Time to hide out. I'm feeling overly exposed but needed to be honest.

I read this thread and wanted to introduce myself.
Jazzie

Liam 04-24-2010 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzGirl (Post 91175)

I read this thread and wanted to introduce myself.
Jazzie

Welcome to the thread, Jazzie, nice to meet you.

Andrew, Jr. 04-24-2010 12:37 PM


Hi and Welcome Jazzie. Glad you are here with us! :bouquet::thumbsup::happyjump:

Cyclopea 04-24-2010 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclopea (Post 91116)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 91132)

Cyclopea,

I am not understanding who this Timothy Horrigan is. Is this a book or a writer? Can you please shed some light on this person or book for me?

Thanks,
Andrew

The link is to the answer key to the Unicru personality test which is now utilized by most large employers to screen out/eliminate autistic and aspergers job applicants. I posted it as a helpful tool for anyone who wants to avoid being discriminated against during the job application process.

Here's another good related link: http://www.ehow.com/how_4446746_pass...lity-test.html
But the one I posted above gives the actual answers.
:)

violaine 04-25-2010 12:23 AM

has anyone read this book, please?
- David Eastham, "Understand: Fifty Memowriter Poems"

the first link contains tremendous spectrum resources, and the second one involves a bit of fun:


http://autistscorner.blogspot.com/20...liography.html

http://www.oneplusyou.com/bb/synesthesia

mine was wired % 87 for creativity synesthesia ;) and came from this site:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/


http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/syne.html

:bouquet:

JazzGirl 04-25-2010 10:53 AM



Thank you for the welcome everyone.

:formalbow:




StoneFinn 05-03-2010 07:07 AM

sometimes there's not a word or set of words. just a picture i cannot draw here. it's just about needing to be where someone else understands.

katzietootle 05-03-2010 07:59 AM


a 9 year old with autism learned to play piano by ear using only three notes but can play a whole song such as this (copied and pasted)
i dealt with this kid when he was still 2 and can't barely say A,E, when he still needs motivation with his sitting tolerance, has fleeting eye contact, cannot recognize letters,don't have imitation skills...and now...yeeba!!!im so proud of him... and everyone around him who gives him undying love and support...

violaine 05-04-2010 08:34 AM

[QUOTE=StoneFinn;97630]sometimes there's not a word or set of words. just a picture i cannot draw here. it's just about needing to be where someone else understands.

yes!

.

.

Liam 05-13-2010 11:11 AM

I've been thinking about this for some time, and I decided to put it out there to those on the spectrum. Did you have to learn, NOT to trust people?

Andrew, Jr. 05-13-2010 11:27 AM


Liam,

I do not know how to not to trust people. I trust everyone. Then when I get burned, I know what you mean. Otherwise the answer is no.

Now I try to be a forgiving man, and try to practice my faith. I try to always turn to my other cheek, and to always embrace everyone. No matter who or what they are. They are people and they require love above all things.

Andrew

violaine 05-15-2010 12:55 PM

i only know what you show me-
 
[QUOTE=Liam;105023]I've been thinking about this for some time, and I decided to put it out there to those on the spectrum. Did you have to learn, NOT to trust people?

dear liam,

in a word- yes.

when i was a small child, and my family mentioned someone 'stealing' me, i'd say, 'don't worry, they'll bring me back in ten minutes!' do you think that i must have repeated what i overheard?

;)

acceptance is beautiful to know, and to be able to provide others. if an individual is wired to be naturally open, and then grows up with a lot of freedom to 'be', how does she know that not everyone else out there receives the same wiring/familial experiences?

it took me a long time to figure out! :hanging:


ways i learned to be more guarded around certain people fairly straightforward: i feel worse around them than i do otherwise, and more adds up in the negative column. sure, there are people [NT's], capable of detecting things sooner- and that's ohk! seeing roundly, i.e., often for me means taking the long road- with friend/co-worker/person of interest/family member, and while it's true, i may eventually be out of a friendship [that * i * thought existed], better to be out than remain stuck in one-sidedness.

on the other hand, a break just may be needed. it depends on the person, situation, and whether or not my bounce-back has been exhausted!

perils. pleasures. of AT wiring.

eta: it 'feels' worse being around them. emotionalising the patterns of undesirable behaviour. this happens after trying to make sense of the confusion, and then communicating questionable scenarios- intellectualising first and then going on how that is received. patterns and connections. it comes in stages- not all at once, like it may work for NT's.





Liam 05-15-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 105040)

Liam,

I do not know how to not to trust people. I trust everyone. Then when I get burned, I know what you mean. Otherwise the answer is no.

Now I try to be a forgiving man, and try to practice my faith. I try to always turn to my other cheek, and to always embrace everyone. No matter who or what they are. They are people and they require love above all things.

Andrew

I understand what you mean, Andrew, with the exception of a bump with my dentist, when I was four, I have pretty much always assumed people are kind and honest. However, my online experience has changed that, and I have learned not to be invested in people being honest, kind or even fair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by violaine (Post 106665)

dear liam,

in a word- yes.

when i was a small child, and my family mentioned someone 'stealing' me, i'd say, 'don't worry, they'll bring me back in ten minutes!' do you think that i must have repeated what i overheard?

;)

acceptance is beautiful to know, and to be able to provide others. if an individual is wired to be naturally open, and then grows up with a lot of freedom to 'be', how does she know that not everyone else out there receives the same wiring/familial experiences?

it took me a long time to figure out! :hanging:


ways i learned to be more guarded around certain people fairly straightforward: i feel worse around them than i do otherwise, and more adds up in the negative column. sure, there are people [NT's], capable of detecting things sooner- and that's ohk! seeing roundly, i.e., often for me means taking the long road- with friend/co-worker/person of interest/family member, and while it's true, i may eventually be out of a friendship [that * i * thought existed], better to be out than remain stuck in one-sidedness.

on the other hand, a break just may be needed. it depends on the person, situation, and whether or not my bounce-back has been exhausted!

perils. pleasures. of AT wiring.

eta: it 'feels' worse being around them. emotionalising the patterns of undesirable behaviour. this happens after trying to make sense of the confusion, and then communicating questionable scenarios- intellectualising first and then going on how that is received. patterns and connections. it comes in stages- not all at once, like it may work for NT's.





Why on earth would anyone want to return you in ten minutes, Belle? That is a wonderful story of how we repeat what we hear, when we are kids.

Feelings, are so tricky, I don't think many NT folks understand how foreign they are, to many of us on the spectrum. It took a long time for me to understand what a stomach ache can mean for me. I've come to recognise that this means something is terribly off and it is not good. This unfamiliarity with feelings is definitely a two-edged sword, however I am grateful I am how I am.

Andrew, Jr. 05-15-2010 07:35 PM


Liam,

I posted the other day that I felt that everyone here was my family. And I had someone tell me this was a community, and not a family. It confuses me. I was rejected by my family, and abandon. So tell me what are we then?

Ursy 05-15-2010 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 106957)

Liam,

I posted the other day that I felt that everyone here was my family. And I had someone tell me this was a community, and not a family. It confuses me. I was rejected by my family, and abandon. So tell me what are we then?

Aargh! That annoys me so much! I wouldn't presume to correct your interpretation of "family", even if I saw this place as "community"... or whatever else I wanted to call it.

Family and community and words like that can mean very different things to different people.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 106957)

So tell me what are we then?

We are whatever you feel is right to call us, and nobody can tell you that you are wrong. Who can dictate what these kinds of things mean to another?

Hrumphy!

Liam 05-15-2010 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 106957)

Liam,

I posted the other day that I felt that everyone here was my family. And I had someone tell me this was a community, and not a family. It confuses me. I was rejected by my family, and abandon. So tell me what are we then?

Andrew, I believe she was sharing that she makes a distinction between family and community, relative to this online community. That is her reality, and you are most certainly entitled to yours, which does not have to match up with anyone else's, in order for it to be valid.

I am proud to call you brother.

The_Lady_Snow 05-15-2010 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 106957)

Liam,

I posted the other day that I felt that everyone here was my family. And I had someone tell me this was a community, and not a family. It confuses me. I was rejected by my family, and abandon. So tell me what are we then?


I believe I said

This is where we *differ*

How you choose to see anyone is solely up to you Andrew, I made that distinction clear.


Quote:

Originally Posted by urs (Post 107058)
Aargh! That annoys me so much! I wouldn't presume to correct your interpretation of "family", even if I saw this place as "community"... or whatever else I wanted to call it.

Family and community and words like that can mean very different things to different people.



We are whatever you feel is right to call us, and nobody can tell you that you are wrong. Who can dictate what these kinds of things mean to another?

Hrumphy!

I was not interpreting anything for Andrew I was posting from *my* Snow space and what family meant to *me*

I hope that makes sense.

Thanks Liam for correcting this..

Ursy 05-16-2010 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Lady_Snow (Post 107120)
I believe I said

This is where we *differ*

How you choose to see anyone is solely up to you Andrew, I made that distinction clear.

I was not interpreting anything for Andrew I was posting from *my* Snow space and what family meant to *me*

I hope that makes sense.

Thanks Liam for correcting this..

Thanks for clarifying hon!
In that case I'm not hrumphing at you - but the people who do think that way (and there are peeps who still do, more's the pity).
xx

Andrew, Jr. 05-16-2010 09:09 AM


Lady Snow,

It is confusing to me. I love you as my sister. I talk to most everyone each day. I would think that you would love me as your brother. What is the difference between that love and being born by the same mother? I am not ref. to anything racial. I don't believe in that at all. My love is the same like I have for Urs or Madusa or anyone else.

In community and love of family how are they different then? I am lost.

Andrew

The_Lady_Snow 05-16-2010 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 107270)

Lady Snow,

It is confusing to me. I love you as my sister. I talk to most everyone each day. I would think that you would love me as your brother. What is the difference between that love and being born by the same mother? I am not ref. to anything racial. I don't believe in that at all. My love is the same like I have for Urs or Madusa or anyone else.

In community and love of family how are they different then? I am lost.

Andrew


I would like to take this elsewhere Andrew out of respect to everyone in here, I have a boy who is Aspie, and he can pick up on energies and things that go out of wack, this to *me* feels to *heavy* in energy for myself and people in here who have *enough* going on with their extra senses.. I will copy and paste and find the Red Zone so I can address it properly..

Andrew, Jr. 05-16-2010 01:10 PM


Lady Snow,

It was just posted that you are dating Weatherboi, and that somehow this is being twisted around to mean something totally different than what I am saying. No. I am done.

I don't mean disrespect. I had no clue. I apologise yet again too have offended you and Weatherboi. I feel like a jackass.

Andrew

Ursy 05-17-2010 05:03 AM

There will always be misunderstandings... the trick is to move on.

Easier said than done! I don't know if it's an Aspie thing, but I berate myself when I am part of a misunderstanding. I was quite old when I realised that most others just shake it off and keep going (but I don't know if that's a neurotypical thing in particular).

It's a very painful part of my existence, especially as misunderstandings can happen relatively frequently when you're an Aspie, but I am working on it.

Do you think it's an Aspie thing? The berating oneself I mean. Oh, and the hanging on to stuff that is best let go? 'Cause that's something else I have to work on!

christie 05-17-2010 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by urs (Post 107993)
There will always be misunderstandings... the trick is to move on.

Easier said than done! I don't know if it's an Aspie thing, but I berate myself when I am part of a misunderstanding. I was quite old when I realised that most others just shake it off and keep going (but I don't know if that's a neurotypical thing in particular).

It's a very painful part of my existence, especially as misunderstandings can happen relatively frequently when you're an Aspie, but I am working on it.

Do you think it's an Aspie thing? The berating oneself I mean. Oh, and the hanging on to stuff that is best let go? 'Cause that's something else I have to work on!

Urs -

My Aspie son doesn't berate himself. In fact, Bratboy has quite an opposite reaction in that he ALWAYS projects any blame/responsibility on others. Nothing is ever his fault. As a parent, I find this as equally difficult to navigate as the self berating. I "think" it would be easier to try and show him that he is not solely responsible for something rather than to try and show him that he does have responsibility in a situation.

We have NINE days of school left and if the last week has been an indicator, I would rather eat nails. He has decided that he doesn't need to go, that he can just repeat the 11th grade next year. :overreaction: He knows well enough that he will finish the school year, and to me, the frustration is that he spends so much time making the simplest of things so fucking difficult. I keep reminding him that he isnt 18, he doesnt live in a democracy and in most instances, he doesnt get to vote. LOL

Andrew, Jr. 05-17-2010 06:08 AM


Christie0918,

You are fortunate in that your son doesn't berate himself. I do. It's a trigger. Moving on is much easier said than done for me.

Ursy 05-17-2010 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christie0918 (Post 108006)
Urs -

My Aspie son doesn't berate himself. In fact, Bratboy has quite an opposite reaction in that he ALWAYS projects any blame/responsibility on others. Nothing is ever his fault. As a parent, I find this as equally difficult to navigate as the self berating. I "think" it would be easier to try and show him that he is not solely responsible for something rather than to try and show him that he does have responsibility in a situation.

We have NINE days of school left and if the last week has been an indicator, I would rather eat nails. He has decided that he doesn't need to go, that he can just repeat the 11th grade next year. :overreaction: He knows well enough that he will finish the school year, and to me, the frustration is that he spends so much time making the simplest of things so fucking difficult. I keep reminding him that he isnt 18, he doesnt live in a democracy and in most instances, he doesnt get to vote. LOL

Actually now that you mention it, my dad (who we're quite sure is Aspie) is similar - he is never at fault. I guess it depends on the individual personality. I imagine that it might be tied to the "theory of mind" thing.

Anyway, I hope it all settles down for you and bratboy - they can be trying, for sure. Bek and I went through some bad times - but we're in a good place right now. May there be a good place waiting for you and bratboy soon! xx

katzietootle 05-21-2010 01:50 AM

someone help...
do anyone here knows how to manage visual stims?i dealt with verbal stims and other self stimulatory behaviours but i'm having a hard time managing visual stims...

Andrew, Jr. 05-21-2010 08:53 AM

Not a clue.


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