OK, that is fair.

But I want to make clear that marauding bands of Lesbians to run around assaulting college girls.

I have been that college girl.

Its great to think that all lesbians would not do such a thing, but it has happened more than once to me. By women. Only once by a man.

Yes, I understand I put myself in vulnerable positions when I was young, but I think way less rapes by women are reported than those by men.

I don't know the statistics, again, because so much goes unreported....but the tone of some of the posts, not yours in particular BullDog, looks like the posters only think men would do something like this.

It happens all the time. In our community.

We can't blame men for this.

I don't see this. I see people using men as an example in place of the lesbians in order to show that rape is rape, regardless of the gender of the perp. That even though these are women, they are no less culpable and it is no less of a crime.

well, I think there's a lot of intensely stupid people out there and a lot of people who are willing to take any excuse to promote their own agenda.

to be totally honest, I think the clip I put on this thread will have some but fuck morons thinking "yeah! ha ha! it's funny to abuse pregnant women! yeee haw!"

I'm going to say it again - it was crappy satire. Poorly written. And I do have straight male friends who do say things like "lesbian cougars gone wild, baby!" but they also joke around saying stuff like "I'll pay you £50 to kick me in the nuts right now, my uber dumpling."
they even joke around about me raping them in wiccan ceremonies when I was much younger (the joke being rather complex and needing to know why they are teasing me and my past).
They *do* mean it ironically.

You may have a point that these film makers weren't satirising but I dunno. If may be a case of "Nuts." When "Nuts" magazine for men first came out, it was dones with a heavy sense of irony and taking the piss out of themselves. gradually that sense of irony and satire slowly changed into support for stupid male behaviours (and by that I mean college anus rings for brains. I remember what moronics the young men were like first year of uni. I mean that level).

second city used to be something that had a lot of politically based stuff in it when I was an older teen, late 80's. It may have degraded into complete crap.

however, I *personally* do not find some things taboo when it comes to satire. actual satire. And frankly if someone put the smooth moves on a drunk girl and she puked on them, I'd piss myself laughing. Even in real life. I'd then help her up and take her to the bathroom and get her a cab home.

I'm not saying people must find it funny - like I said, I didn't find it funny cause it was shoddy writing. But I wasn't offended in the slightest either. I just thought they needed better comic writers if that's the best they could come up with.

I'm not going to read the comments. everytime there is a piece of writing about anything homosexual or women orientated in the newspaper, the fuckwit brigade comes out and uses it as fodder for fire either for or against what they want. I have no interest in what they want or say. as soon as the event passes, they crawl back under their rocks. But then I don't have to deal with homophobic fuckwits on a daily or even weekly basis so I tend to choose to ignore them and just keep being exactly who I am and working towards a good life and a good community.

Apocoliptic - that was very far from british humour. it wasn't even slightly wry. But yes, it was cr@p.

tangent - when I was about 28, I used to go to "fabulous and 40" (40+) lesbo night. looking for "Chicken Hawks" - now known as cougars. Chicken Hawks, however was a strictly lesbian term. And my friends and I *hoped* for them! So I don't exactly see cougar/chicken hawk as a derogatory term. Hell, I've slept with young butches since I've been in London. And got the piss taken out of me for it in the same manner.

what they did, no. not funny and badly written. But not offended either.

If people don't think it was satire, then that's their take. I understand why they would be angry then - and I don't really have an argument with that at all, actually. My only bugbear was that people were taking it literally AND calling it satire. It irritated me. It can't be both by definition.

pedantic of me. completely. but that was my only issue. past that, I don't care enough to argue against anyone here about that poorly written piece of mediocre blah.

<----- pendant gadfly, obviously.

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I agree. That's not irony or satire, it sounds like just being a fucking twat.

Statistically:
If all assaults were reported then yes, reports of women committing violence would go up, but so would reports of men committing violence. It is likely that the statistical relationship would remain pretty constant - meaning that there would still be a vast predominance of men perpetrating against women, especially if we were looking at global stats.

I'm not dismissing rape/violence committed by lesbians or women, but I think we also can't ignore the real proportions by saying that women rape other women "all the time." In fact, it is a very small fraction of intimate violence comparatively.

That doesn't make it okay and I'm sorry it happened to you Apoc.

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having read thru the posts, I DO see what some folk are saying, however, I find that this post sums it up for me. Satire fully taken into acount,& even if it was more well written, I would personally want no part of this production

Didn't watch the video. Won't watch it. Just reading that it is about sexual abuse tells me that it is not funny. I love satire and in general love Second City, however, no matter how it is dressed up or dressed down sexual abuse ain't funny.
I vote no.

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---I am old so anyone who flashes their breasts, drunken or otherwise is appreciated :cheesy:

p.s. thank u HB for fuckitygibblets :clap:

I don't agree with that, I think finding the depiction of molestation of any inebriated vulnerable person offensive could also be more called giving a crap and not an indicator of personal baggage. I think it'd be a bit more odd not to find it at least a bit uncomfortable or somewhat offensive on some level.

Also the difference between being personally offended and finding certain material offensive, I think I've heard a lot more of the latter than the former here.

As far as the video... not very funny... and I have a pretty wicked and black humor. I also didn't find it horrifically offensive.... but did think it was pretty stupid and classless.

You know, I so agree with you here.

And it also doesn't mean that one does not "get comedy" or "get satire" or whathaveyou. I watched the video this morning and don't really know why I did.

Plenty of people have laid out reasonably why it is offensive.

I didn't find it funny, and put it in the category (beyond how socially irresponsible it is) of dick, fart, and vomit humor which has never really appealed to me. You know, American Pie type stuff but damaging to women and lesbians instead of just women generally.

I think it could also be quite potentially triggery for some folks, but that is just me.

The clothes were especially triggery, I know none of us would dress like the unfortunate actors in the film ;)

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I think it was satire that missed its mark. I wasn't offended.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on what they find funny, what they find to be satire, what offends them, etc. However, it is quite bothersome to me that many people don't appear to focus on the messages something like this sends out about women and lesbians and who the largest audience is (YouTube viewers) who see them.

I do not care what the intent of the video makers was, nor the "art form" they were attempting to work in. What I care about is the constant messages that are sent out about women in general and lesbians more specially in the media.

I feel that people are like, oh well, poor satire that missed the mark. But what about the messages that are being sent out? If something was made about race or trans people I don't think people would be shrugging, oh well, they just didn't quite hit the mark with their satire. It seems over and over again I get the message that it's ok to portray women and lesbians any damn way someone wants to- in ways that are not acceptable about other groups of people. Women just don't seem to matter.

then I should be worried about the message that the clip I put up puts women in a poor light and supports violence against women. And I just don't feel that way. you can't have it both ways: if it's satire, then its not supportive of the material it's against it That's the whole POINT of satire. look at the clip I put up. watch it. do you feel it's telling people to do that to women? Or is it funny because it's so obviously not the way to behave.

If it's literal humou: ha ha lookit the funny stupid lesbian/black person/woman/wheelchair user/fatty, then yes by all means it's very damaging with a shitty message.