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JustLovelyJenn 06-20-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 134287)
First of all...Thanks guys...Seriously...Thank you.
So right now I'm quietly and discreetly packing...umm...My boxerbriefs.
Besides this and one other post I haven't spoken about this with anyone but my girlfriend.
I have to say it feels...idk...right?
I'm just learning what this in me is exactly...definitions and such...But more importantly how alot of this applies to me.How I relate to it.
I've just recently admitted for the first time my first fantisies.Which were of girls.And as myself in the male role.
What I thought of as a child. Could I maybe wake one morn and be a boy? Would I finally be "right" then?
When I first realized I was a girl I was made to use a public womens restroom for the first time by myself. I was horrified and thought there was a very serious mistake on the adult's part in making me go in there. I kept thinking just why the HELL they would force me go in THERE with the GIRLS?
Before I was old enough to understand the difference between the boys and girls, I ran with my bio male cousins on the farm...I ran about shirtless with them, hunted and went fishing with them, climbed trees and explored the woods and farmlands.I was one of them.
I remember trying to explain to my ma just why I shouldn't go to the girls bathroom or wear dresses and even the time I told her I was goin to marry a girl one day....the words she used to describe MY thoughts and MY f****** feelings (when I was once told my thoughts and feelings were just THAT...MINE!)...I was told I was unnatural...god would call me an abonmination...I better NEVER tell anyone else lest I embarressed the family at church...Guys, I was sent to a M*****F****** christian therapy camp to help "cure" me of these evil thoughts for surely the devil was tempting me to go against god's will.
When I was older and with my ex-wife I saw a news report back in '99 about a successfull operation to make a female into a male. My first thought was "OMG MY WHOLE LIFE COULD BE THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!"
Stupid me tried to open up about it to my ex and once again the words that were lashed at me shut me up all over.(What if she told my parents?!They had me committed once for this.)
So untill these past 4 months my thoughts on this subject were as limited as my knowledge and understanding.
I feel like I'm rambling again so I'm goin to end this with a final thought and thanks.
My thanks is to my wonderful ya'fa girlfriend who brought me not only to this site but took the time and patience to help me understand what myself and others had sought to destroy and hide.(And of course she ever so discretely guided me to FTM threads and friends of hers...lol)
My final thought is for you guys.The bravery it must have took to forge this path!! I will never be able to express my gratitude too be able to finally speak freely and ask the questions I was never given the chance too.

Baby,

I wanted to stop and tell you how proud I am of you today. How hard I know it must have been to come here and say these things, what a big step this is for you. You have a wonderful, beautiful soul and it fits perfectly with who you are and should be.

What I saw in you as we first started talking was someone who was so much more then they were allowing themselves to be. THIS, is part of that person you have hidden from the world. I am so happy and excited to see you embracing that in you which makes you who you are and bring you happiness and completion.

As you explore yourself and this new and wonderful world you never new was around you, I will be right there by your side. I will quietly hold your hands and answer what questions I can, or send you to those who can if I cant. I will wait patiently as you ponder what is in you and come to decisions about how you want to be seen by the world. YOU are who I fell in love with. ALL OF YOU! I am excited for you to see that person the way I do.

I love you so much and I will always support you to the best of my ability.

With all the love I posses,

Your Heart, as You are Mine.

The Oopster 06-20-2010 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 134287)
First of all...Thanks guys...Seriously...Thank you.
So right now I'm quietly and discreetly packing...umm...My boxerbriefs.
Besides this and one other post I haven't spoken about this with anyone but my girlfriend.
I have to say it feels...idk...right?


I remember the first time I packed feeling this same way and wondering how a piece of silicone could help fill in some of the missing pieces of me, but it did. As time has progressed, what, how, and if I pack ebbs and flows. It was hard for some other people to get that, even femmes. I think I needed to do it so badly all the time at first because it was an identity of me that had been missing for years. Now 5 years later there are times I just dont' need to. Most of the time I still do but I'm okay if I don't.


Quote:

Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 134287)
I'm just learning what this in me is exactly...definitions and such...But more importantly how alot of this applies to me.How I relate to it.
I've just recently admitted for the first time my first fantisies.Which were of girls.And as myself in the male role.
What I thought of as a child. Could I maybe wake one morn and be a boy? Would I finally be "right" then?
When I first realized I was a girl I was made to use a public womens restroom for the first time by myself. I was horrified and thought there was a very serious mistake on the adult's part in making me go in there. I kept thinking just why the HELL they would force me go in THERE with the GIRLS?
Before I was old enough to understand the difference between the boys and girls, I ran with my bio male cousins on the farm...I ran about shirtless with them, hunted and went fishing with them, climbed trees and explored the woods and farmlands.I was one of them.
I remember trying to explain to my ma just why I shouldn't go to the girls bathroom or wear dresses and even the time I told her I was goin to marry a girl one day....the words she used to describe MY thoughts and MY f****** feelings (when I was once told my thoughts and feelings were just THAT...MINE!)...I was told I was unnatural...god would call me an abonmination...I better NEVER tell anyone else lest I embarressed the family at church...Guys, I was sent to a M*****F****** christian therapy camp to help "cure" me of these evil thoughts for surely the devil was tempting me to go against god's will.

A couple of years ago when I was going through the whole which bathroom to use dilema and not feeling like I had a bathroom to go in ... I flashed back to the first grade. I had to go to the dr. because almost every day during reading class I had to go to the bathroom. They wondered if something was wrong physically with me. The whole bathroom dilema made me remember it and what was really happening. I could see myself standing outside the bathroom doors wanting to go into the boys and knowing I had to go in the girls but feeling it wasn't right to go in there either. I may have even used the boys once or twice i can't remember that but I do remember finally just making myself go into the girls when no one was looking. After I went to the drs and nothing was wrong ... I was forced to go in with the girls at bathroom time. I also remember going passed the boys lockeroom thinking that was the room I should be going in.

All my friends prior to going to school were boys. Girls seem to be the pretty little things that looked like they would break if they played with me.

I also remember the first time I was told I had to keep my shirt on because I was a girl .. i tore it off and ran around the yard yelling no I'm a boy, I'm a boy.

Family is hard, I'm sorry yours has been so condemning.
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Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 134287)
When I was older and with my ex-wife I saw a news report back in '99 about a successfull operation to make a female into a male. My first thought was "OMG MY WHOLE LIFE COULD BE THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!"
Stupid me tried to open up about it to my ex and once again the words that were lashed at me shut me up all over.(What if she told my parents?!They had me committed once for this.)
So untill these past 4 months my thoughts on this subject were as limited as my knowledge and understanding.
I feel like I'm rambling again so I'm goin to end this with a final thought and thanks.
My thanks is to my wonderful ya'fa girlfriend who brought me not only to this site but took the time and patience to help me understand what myself and others had sought to destroy and hide.(And of course she ever so discretely guided me to FTM threads and friends of hers...lol)
My final thought is for you guys.The bravery it must have took to forge this path!! I will never be able to express my gratitude too be able to finally speak freely and ask the questions I was never given the chance too.

I think a lot of us have been fortunate to have someone placed in our lives that could see us when we couldn't see ourselves.

I was fortnuate also to find a site like this one within the first year of realizing my attraction to women. That is why I will always remain a part of this community. If other transgendered men had not been on that site I may still not have gotten to the truth of who I really am. Yes there are ftm sites but if I hadn't had interaction with them I would never have been able to realize that when I'm looking at them I'm seeing me. I wouldn't have know to even look that way. An arena like this allowed me to have the bridge to move towards the destination of me.

Jet 06-25-2010 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rufusboi (Post 128794)
The word INVADE means to intrude upon or encroach upon.

If you enter the womens bathroom and you are identifying as male then you are invading.

Rufus

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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 128789)
who says i would invade

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Originally Posted by Billy (Post 128788)
That's what I'm saying ....Why after everything we go through to be seen as MALE , want to go into the womans room .....You can't have it both ways ..

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Originally Posted by Rufusboi (Post 128785)
Beard or not you should respect women enough not to invade their private space.

Rufus

Hey I just want to set this straight for the record...
I would never invade women's space. I don't get where that comes off. Secondly, I won't wear a beard...it was just my comment on my preference regarding facial hair. I never said i would "invade" anyone's space let alone the women's rest room. My comments had nothing to restrooms. jus' sayin'

Dylan 06-25-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jet (Post 127637)
I think id have to have more than peach fuzz to use the men;s room.

We might have gotten the idea you were talking about restrooms and using the women's restroom from this post where you state you'd have to have more than peach fuzz to use the men's room


Dylan

atomiczombie 06-25-2010 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 134287)
When I was older and with my ex-wife I saw a news report back in '99 about a successfull operation to make a female into a male. My first thought was "OMG MY WHOLE LIFE COULD BE THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!"
Stupid me tried to open up about it to my ex and once again the words that were lashed at me shut me up all over.(What if she told my parents?!They had me committed once for this.)

Yeah that is fubar. Luckily I didn't come out as trans until after my marriage ended. But my ex-wife calls me by my birth name (not my legal name) and uses female pronouns when talking about me just to be a fucking bitch. She knows I changed my name, that I go by male pronouns, that I am trans. She actually said to my face a few months ago, when I asked her to please use my legal name, that I don't have the right equipment to be Drew. *shakes head*

Anyhow, it's awesome that you have a girlfriend who understands and supports you! Hang in there buddy!

theoddz 06-25-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by atomiczombie (Post 138558)
Yeah that is fubar. Luckily I didn't come out as trans until after my marriage ended. But my ex-wife calls me by my birth name (not my legal name) and uses female pronouns when talking about me just to be a fucking bitch. She knows I changed my name, that I go by male pronouns, that I am trans. She actually said to my face a few months ago, when I asked her to please use my legal name, that I don't have the right equipment to be Drew. *shakes head*

Anyhow, it's awesome that you have a girlfriend who understands and supports you! Hang in there buddy!

I think some people do that when they get angry, just to be vicious and try to strip you of your identity. It's like any other kind of weapon....they reach for what's "handy" and most likely to hurt you the most. It really says more about her than it does about you. :winky:

That's a low blow, and I think the most effective way to answer something like that is just to have nothing more to do with them. Complete, utter silence and a total refusal to acknowledge them in any way is the ultimate and most effective weapon you have against that sort of thing. You don't need someone like that in your life, do you??

~Theo~ :bouquet:

CamBAMF 06-26-2010 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 134287)
First of all...Thanks guys...Seriously...Thank you.
So right now I'm quietly and discreetly packing...umm...My boxerbriefs.
Besides this and one other post I haven't spoken about this with anyone but my girlfriend.
I have to say it feels...idk...right?
I'm just learning what this in me is exactly...definitions and such...But more importantly how alot of this applies to me.How I relate to it.
I've just recently admitted for the first time my first fantisies.Which were of girls.And as myself in the male role.
What I thought of as a child. Could I maybe wake one morn and be a boy? Would I finally be "right" then?
When I first realized I was a girl I was made to use a public womens restroom for the first time by myself. I was horrified and thought there was a very serious mistake on the adult's part in making me go in there. I kept thinking just why the HELL they would force me go in THERE with the GIRLS?
Before I was old enough to understand the difference between the boys and girls, I ran with my bio male cousins on the farm...I ran about shirtless with them, hunted and went fishing with them, climbed trees and explored the woods and farmlands.I was one of them.
I remember trying to explain to my ma just why I shouldn't go to the girls bathroom or wear dresses and even the time I told her I was goin to marry a girl one day....the words she used to describe MY thoughts and MY f****** feelings (when I was once told my thoughts and feelings were just THAT...MINE!)...I was told I was unnatural...god would call me an abonmination...I better NEVER tell anyone else lest I embarressed the family at church...Guys, I was sent to a M*****F****** christian therapy camp to help "cure" me of these evil thoughts for surely the devil was tempting me to go against god's will.
When I was older and with my ex-wife I saw a news report back in '99 about a successfull operation to make a female into a male. My first thought was "OMG MY WHOLE LIFE COULD BE THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!"
Stupid me tried to open up about it to my ex and once again the words that were lashed at me shut me up all over.(What if she told my parents?!They had me committed once for this.)
So untill these past 4 months my thoughts on this subject were as limited as my knowledge and understanding.
I feel like I'm rambling again so I'm goin to end this with a final thought and thanks.
My thanks is to my wonderful ya'fa girlfriend who brought me not only to this site but took the time and patience to help me understand what myself and others had sought to destroy and hide.(And of course she ever so discretely guided me to FTM threads and friends of hers...lol)
My final thought is for you guys.The bravery it must have took to forge this path!! I will never be able to express my gratitude too be able to finally speak freely and ask the questions I was never given the chance too.

I remember being three and telling my mom that god had made a mistake, that I was suppose to be a boy. I remember pray that god would fix it, that I would wake up as a boy. I think to this day it's really what held be back from believeing in "god" (my spirituality/ beliefs are always changing, but I just can't believe in one god kinda deal.) Luckily my family (particularly my mom's side) isn't really religious, so it went unnoticed and through my various coming out stories they never brought it up. (and on a side note: whole I'm sure my dad would have loved to say something along the line about me going to hell, my mom would have castrated him- so even he didn't say anything. He's only now kinda coming around. Its a slow process with him)

I remember starting to pack, like just trying it out. I was still kinda new to the whole thing. I tried socks and another time a strap on (which just turned out to be extremely funny walking around with a boner all day. lol) But besides uncomfortable (neither really felt correct in my pants. lol.) but I wore one or the other anyway till I could afford a packy. I felt like something belonged there, I just wasn't sure what or where to get it till a while later. lol. Just as previously mentioned in another post, it seemed to fill up some kind of missing piece within me at the time. Now I don't normally go out without my pack-n-pee on, but if I'm not wearing it its no big deal.

I didn't 'know' what I was. I knew I wasn't right though. I didn't have a word for how I felt till college when I met a MTF. At the time I was dating a girl who basically bluntly told me if that was the way I was I wasn't worth her time. The next two girlfriend's knew before hand and still tried to 'fix' me. It was only my most recent ex who really saw who I was. She walked me through each part (the doctors/therapist, the T, tellling friends and family, changing bathrooms, etc.) standing next to me the whole time. I gotta tell you, I was scared sh**less! She literally walked me by the hand through each of my steps so far. Hell, she even bragged about me (which I thought was amazing!) on a local radio station (w/o saying my name of course). It's pretty amazing when you meet someone who really loves you for you. While we are not together anymore for other reasons- I still thank her to this day for the support she gave me.

It can be a complicated path, but you know when it's the right one. Some ways it gets easier, other aspects can be... more difficult... but at the end of the day you have to be who you are, no matter who or what that is. Stay true to yourself bro. We're all here for you.

-Cameron

atomiczombie 06-26-2010 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by theoddz (Post 138568)
I think some people do that when they get angry, just to be vicious and try to strip you of your identity. It's like any other kind of weapon....they reach for what's "handy" and most likely to hurt you the most. It really says more about her than it does about you. :winky:

That's a low blow, and I think the most effective way to answer something like that is just to have nothing more to do with them. Complete, utter silence and a total refusal to acknowledge them in any way is the ultimate and most effective weapon you have against that sort of thing. You don't need someone like that in your life, do you??

~Theo~ :bouquet:

Heh. Wish it were that easy. We have a daughter together so I occasionally have to bump into this woman, like I did tonight. Jess (my daughter) sang at a recital and my folks and I went, and of course my nasty ex-wife was there. She was all super sweet with my folks which really made me mad cause she barely acknowledged my presence (not that I really want to have anything to do with her.) She just did that to dig her heel into me more. I really don't give a shit what she thinks of me but damn to have someone be so vile to me, it's not something with which I am comfortable.

Linus 07-06-2010 05:15 PM

So a question for trans folks, particularly those who do not have their gender letters changed.

I lost a filling the other day. It's an annoying filling on a back molar that I regularly get a temp filling (my temp fillings for this last about 3-4 years). Anyways, as I was frantically looking for a dentist, I tried to get one at the LGBTQ Community Health Center (Callen-Lorde) because, well, they are LGBTQ. But it's near impossible to get an appointment there because of the number of existing patients.

I eventually found one nearby but I couldn't help worrying whether I'd end up having to face an issue with the dentist because I'm an FTM. In the end, she was wonderful and quick. What was nice was that on her forms she had listed "What name would you like to be called by", which I found interesting.

So my question is this: do you assume that when going to non-LGBTQ medical personnel that you'll face discrimination? I wonder if we set ourselves up by having this constant fear over our heads based on the stories we constantly hear (the horror stories) and because of the stories we don't hear (the fabulous accepting ones).

CamBAMF 07-06-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 146530)
So my question is this: do you assume that when going to non-LGBTQ medical personnel that you'll face discrimination? I wonder if we set ourselves up by having this constant fear over our heads based on the stories we constantly hear (the horror stories) and because of the stories we don't hear (the fabulous accepting ones).

No. I don't think I ever really did.

I told my regular doctor before starting T, and while she was totally shocked she seemed fine with it. But I felt it was medically necessary for her to know for my health, in the event the some drug she was perscribing may not interact well for whatever reason or whatever. I never told my dentist or optomitrist as I feel that it doesn't really matter to them what I do in my spare time and my transistion doesn't effect my teeth or eyes (to my knowledge) so thier jobs aren't affected by it.

My only issue stems from temporary doctors. While I'm at college it's extremely hard to see my regualr doctor so I visit a walking in place near my school. I have never seen the same doctor there twice. However there has been akward issue with explaining my legal name/ and my perferred name (as they also ask for a person perferred name) and my list of medications. I just tell them. Get it out of the way. If they seem uncomfortable (which hasn't yet happened) I have no real fear since the chances of seeing them again are slim to none.

But maybe I've never really feared doctors because I haven't heard the stories. Im born in 88 so the stories I hear are from the late 90s to today. The worse story that I've ever heard was rudeness from a nurse or staff member. Maybe that's why I have no fear of doctors. So perhaps I am not a good example.

The Oopster 07-06-2010 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 146530)

So my question is this: do you assume that when going to non-LGBTQ medical personnel that you'll face discrimination? I wonder if we set ourselves up by having this constant fear over our heads based on the stories we constantly hear (the horror stories) and because of the stories we don't hear (the fabulous accepting ones).

I personally believe a lot of how we are received is the energy we put out ..

I've known people in the community really hesitant that have had bad experiences even with LGBTQ doctors.

I have had no problems within the medical community. I still have my birth name on all my id including health insurance ... sometimes I address the preferred name other times I don't. A lot of times the office it self catches on if they call me on the phone enough.

My regular dr knows and my chart still has my birth name but the head nurse I think is a gay guy and caught on and started calling me "he" and koop and then the other people in the office have picked it up.

At the hematology unit i've thought about addressing it mainly cause there are a lot of people that work there and i'm always getting new people and they are confused when I walk up and I just smile and say yes it's me.

Some people despite the name still assume i'm male and go boy your parents were cruel.

At the same place one of the nurses came up to draw my blood ... looked at me ... looked at the chart .... puts on this face like i'm not going to call you that and asks do you have a preferred name.

so far i have never had a bad experience ... most of my doctors are intriqued and ask some questions which i don't mind ... my biggest frustration is the moment something is wrong ... every medical professional and even people in my life that don't know much about T will go ... do you think it's the T?

chefhmboyrd 07-06-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 146530)
So a question for trans folks, particularly those who do not have their gender letters changed.

So my question is this: do you assume that when going to non-LGBTQ medical personnel that you'll face discrimination? I wonder if we set ourselves up by having this constant fear over our heads based on the stories we constantly hear (the horror stories) and because of the stories we don't hear (the fabulous accepting ones).

i have a fabulous accepting story.

i have been very fortunate. I don't worry about discrimination when i go places. i walk in like i own the place. smile nod speak to people. i think my attitude has a lot to do with whether or not i face any discrimination or fend off any unwanted comment.

i could pass before the T mostly, but people so rarely even look at you closely. i am an avid people watcher, and i don't notice things sometimes.

i guess if i wanted to look for discrimination, or take everything said out of context, or act like i am hiding something, it would be different. but i spent the better part of 40 years living someone else's life. I be Damned if someone is gonna piss in my wheaties now.....

i am andy
i am a man
maybe i am not like some other guys,
but what is normal? something i don't care to be....
@

tuffboi29 07-09-2010 03:13 AM

Hello again gentlemen...


Just a quick update on how things are goin for me.
I have come out to 5 different people in my life and was absolutely amazed att the responses I got...even the answers "Tuff...I could have told you that along time ago but I figured it was best for you to find out for yourself."

Once again...am i ALWAYS the last to know everything?GAH!!

Other than that, I had a long talk with me therapist and she has been wonderful as can be.She is in the process of setting me up with all the information I need and another therapist to begin my transitioning.

I feel more free and myself than I even have in my entire life and am looking forward to not only beginning this process, but just enjoying meself for a change.

For those of you that know me from the PTSD thread I would like to tell you that coming out with this has made the process of dealing with it so much easier as it was deffinitally intertwined with it.

Once again thank you all so much for the encouraging words.I will never be able to express just how much they mean to me.

atomiczombie 07-09-2010 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 148692)
Hello again gentlemen...


Just a quick update on how things are goin for me.
I have come out to 5 different people in my life and was absolutely amazed att the responses I got...even the answers "Tuff...I could have told you that along time ago but I figured it was best for you to find out for yourself."

Once again...am i ALWAYS the last to know everything?GAH!!

Other than that, I had a long talk with me therapist and she has been wonderful as can be.She is in the process of setting me up with all the information I need and another therapist to begin my transitioning.

I feel more free and myself than I even have in my entire life and am looking forward to not only beginning this process, but just enjoying meself for a change.

For those of you that know me from the PTSD thread I would like to tell you that coming out with this has made the process of dealing with it so much easier as it was deffinitally intertwined with it.

Once again thank you all so much for the encouraging words.I will never be able to express just how much they mean to me.

Right on Tuff. Glad to hear your coming out has been such a positive experience. :)

tuffboi29 07-10-2010 11:45 PM

I'm finding it amazing how I have barely come out to myself about who I am and find myself getting called out on it by people I hardly know.
Tonight I got a ride home from a guy I've only met a few times and he was asking some very direct questions.By chance he figure me out rather quickly.Alot more quickly than I was comfortable with.
Is it that I am more comfortable with myself now that others are figuring this out?Was he just that good?Or was it always obvious to those around me and I was just so hidden in myself I refused to see it?
I don't know guys...I think I'm just a wee bit lost in my thoughts tonight.
Any comments on these thought would be greatly appreciated.Have any of you been lost in similar thoughts?

Linus 07-11-2010 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tuffboi29 (Post 150109)
I'm finding it amazing how I have barely come out to myself about who I am and find myself getting called out on it by people I hardly know.
Tonight I got a ride home from a guy I've only met a few times and he was asking some very direct questions.By chance he figure me out rather quickly.Alot more quickly than I was comfortable with.
Is it that I am more comfortable with myself now that others are figuring this out?Was he just that good?Or was it always obvious to those around me and I was just so hidden in myself I refused to see it?
I don't know guys...I think I'm just a wee bit lost in my thoughts tonight.
Any comments on these thought would be greatly appreciated.Have any of you been lost in similar thoughts?


What do you mean by "getting called out"? Do you mean that he figured out that you were trans? Or that you were a guy?

Sometimes we are oblivous to the obvious. For example, my aunt knew I was more attracted to women than guys well before I did. :seeingstars: So it can happen. ;)

theoddz 07-11-2010 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 138532)
We might have gotten the idea you were talking about restrooms and using the women's restroom from this post where you state you'd have to have more than peach fuzz to use the men's room


Dylan

I know I'm responding kind of late to this, but I know exactly where Jet's coming from with his remark.

There was a time before I started T and pre chest surgery where I didn't feel very comfy using either gendered restroom. I'd try to either find a unisex bathroom or hold it until I could or I'd hold it until I got to a private restroom. It's a horrible position to be in, but I think all of us have been there at one time.

I think Parker wasn't meaning that he'd "invade a women's restroom" at all. He just doesn't feel comfy using the men's room until he's a little further down the road of physical transitioning. For my part, I completely understand this. It's that "in between" spot that's so difficult.

Oh, and I'm not trying to put words in Parker's mouth. I'm just saying I understand what he meant and this is why. ;)

Theo...on the cell phone.

tuffboi29 07-11-2010 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 150167)
What do you mean by "getting called out"? Do you mean that he figured out that you were trans? Or that you were a guy?

Sometimes we are oblivous to the obvious. For example, my aunt knew I was more attracted to women than guys well before I did. :seeingstars: So it can happen. ;)


Aye, he very much so figured out I am trans. And what amazed me more, was able to do it in just a few short questions, too.
He meant no harm or rudeness. In fact he was quite tactfull in his approach in asking.
I think I was just a wee bit unnervered he was able to pinpoint it so quickly.

Linus 07-12-2010 11:20 AM

Not a question but more of a rant.

I found out what's holding up the Birth Cert. Apparently when my dad re-adopted me, Wife #2 (he's on Wife #3 I believe) was added as my "mother". I didn't remember doing this but it's possible that at the time it made sense. (I think I did it because it'd make my dad happy). The problem is I know nothing about her. They said if I could find out her maiden name, that's all they'd need. If I can't get it, she's going to ask if the info I provided is enough (she said there are unique situations like this). I have asked her if there is a way I could get Wife #2 removed as my mother and get my mom put back in. I did email my dad, his sister and his brother in hopes that one of them can reply with the info. But we'll see.

This explains the brick wall I've been hitting. :(

Corkey 07-12-2010 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 151124)
Not a question but more of a rant.

I found out what's holding up the Birth Cert. Apparently when my dad re-adopted me, Wife #2 (he's on Wife #3 I believe) was added as my "mother". I didn't remember doing this but it's possible that at the time it made sense. (I think I did it because it'd make my dad happy). The problem is I know nothing about her. They said if I could find out her maiden name, that's all they'd need. If I can't get it, she's going to ask if the info I provided is enough (she said there are unique situations like this). I have asked her if there is a way I could get Wife #2 removed as my mother and get my mom put back in. I did email my dad, his sister and his brother in hopes that one of them can reply with the info. But we'll see.

This explains the brick wall I've been hitting. :(

Have you thought of looking it up at the registrar's office? Their marriage certificate has to be on file.

Linus 07-12-2010 12:51 PM

The got married out of Province and they are now divorced. It'll take another 4-8 weeks (it's already getting annoying that I've had to wait this long -- nearly a year now). Additionally, its annoying that she's even on the BC.

Linus 07-12-2010 05:01 PM

Welp. Even though my dad won't speak to me, my aunt (my dad's sister) still does. And she looked up my grandfather's ancestry project, finding my step-mom's maiden name (spelling may not be totally accurate but.. ). It's a start!

CamBAMF 07-12-2010 10:36 PM

Hey Everybody!
I haven't been on in a while but I had a some what funny experience. When I started T a year ago I was working on my college campus. I didn't work over the winter, so this summer is the first time since beginning T that I had to look for a job. I got a part time job for the summer with the help of an ex-girlfriend. I haven't had a name change yet (I've just been strapped for cash) and all my documents say female. So right off the bat I told my managers what my deal was, all were okay if not a little curious, however policy for this particular establishment says I have to wear a name tag wit my birth name. Not a big deal, I work in the back and besides I'm not ashamed. So the other day I stop in to fill out a request off form and an employee I never met walks up and introduces herself. I tell her my birth name (figuering that's how people in here know me). Today she happened to be working the same shift as me and she explained that she was totally flabergasted by my name and had called up an ex-girlfriend of hers (who apparently is also transitioning) and explained that she honestly had no idea. I really wasn't too worried about finding a job, but I am totally surprised all the time by the overwhelming acceptance. It's been a pretty cool experience!

The Oopster 07-12-2010 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CamBAMF (Post 151597)
Hey Everybody!
I haven't been on in a while but I had a some what funny experience. When I started T a year ago I was working on my college campus. I didn't work over the winter, so this summer is the first time since beginning T that I had to look for a job. I got a part time job for the summer with the help of an ex-girlfriend. I haven't had a name change yet (I've just been strapped for cash) and all my documents say female. So right off the bat I told my managers what my deal was, all were okay if not a little curious, however policy for this particular establishment says I have to wear a name tag wit my birth name. Not a big deal, I work in the back and besides I'm not ashamed. So the other day I stop in to fill out a request off form and an employee I never met walks up and introduces herself. I tell her my birth name (figuering that's how people in here know me). Today she happened to be working the same shift as me and she explained that she was totally flabergasted by my name and had called up an ex-girlfriend of hers (who apparently is also transitioning) and explained that she honestly had no idea. I really wasn't too worried about finding a job, but I am totally surprised all the time by the overwhelming acceptance. It's been a pretty cool experience!

I have to present my drivers liscence all the time which still has the original gender marker and my birth name. Nobody every seems to even notice the F marker .. they just think my parents were cruel. I think my birth name is unique enough that they think it's Like some foreign name that can go both ways. I've even had them comment "oh you poor thing" to be given "that" name. Unless it's an over the phone thing .. they still call me sir. On the phone they are extra confused but don't have the visual to go by ... it's funny cause it's like they over emphasize ms. then.

Gentle Tiger 07-13-2010 01:21 AM

Hello Everyone. I've had some experiences since transitioning that I quite frankly while I thought I was prepared I clearly was not prepared for them. I kind of wish I had had an older transman of color (not necessarily in age) to tell me a few things in advance - not that I would have changed my mind but to prepare me, talk through them. I don't mean about trivial things like hair growing in odd places, or receding hairlines. I'm talking heavy things like what it really means to be a man in the world. How you will be perceived and treated; respected and disrespected, etc. after you transition.

Anybody else have experiences after transitioning that kind of made you have to regroup so to speak?

Greyson 07-13-2010 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Gentle Tiger (Post 151653)
Hello Everyone. I've had some experiences since transitioning that I quite frankly while I thought I was prepared I clearly was not prepared for them. I kind of wish I had had an older transman of color (not necessarily in age) to tell me a few things in advance - not that I would have changed my mind but to prepare me, talk through them. I don't mean about trivial things like hair growing in odd places, or receding hairlines. I'm talking heavy things like what it really means to be a man in the world. How you will be perceived and treated; respected and disrespected, etc. after you transition.

Anybody else have experiences after transitioning that kind of made you have to regroup so to speak?

Gentle Tiger, First, I want you to know, you are not alone. I recently attended a Queer 12 Step Conference and was one of the two panel members that spoke about Transitioning. Two POC Transmen came up afterwards to speak to me about the very same sort of things you posted. I too am a POC and it has been my experience that a Latino male is sometimes treated much differently than a female Latina. I realized this as a young child just watching the life experiences of my father, stepfather and brothers.

I don't believe I have been living in the world as a Transman as long as you have but I do have a lifetime of being perceived as a Latino man off and on. If you want to talk more of this, pm me. Thank you for bringing this reality to the attention of your fellow Trans brothers.

Gentle Tiger 07-13-2010 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Greyson (Post 151704)
Gentle Tiger, First, I want you to know, you are not alone. I recently attended a Queer 12 Step Conference and was one of the two panel members that spoke about Transitioning. Two POC Transmen came up afterwards to speak to me about the very same sort of things you posted. I too am a POC and it has been my experience that a Latino male is sometimes treated much differently than a female Latina. I realized this as a young child just watching the life experiences of my father, stepfather and brothers.

I don't believe I have been living in the world as a Transman as long as you have but I do have a lifetime of being perceived as a Latino man off and on. If you want to talk more of this, pm me. Thank you for bringing this reality to the attention of your fellow Trans brothers.

Hey Greyson,

Yes indeed it is different. I had already experienced the being watched when entering an expensive as a black female. And I knew what in a factual and feeling for and with those who told their stories. But I now there is another layer because I now I am actually living the experience myself in my skin.

I definitely know I'm not alone as I hear this from time to time talking with other guys. My latest encounter caused me to think about the communities I interact with and share there. So others would know and not be surprised if they had similar experiences.

Hold your heads up Brothers.
Malcolm

The Oopster 07-13-2010 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gentle Tiger (Post 151653)
Hello Everyone. I've had some experiences since transitioning that I quite frankly while I thought I was prepared I clearly was not prepared for them. I kind of wish I had had an older transman of color (not necessarily in age) to tell me a few things in advance - not that I would have changed my mind but to prepare me, talk through them. I don't mean about trivial things like hair growing in odd places, or receding hairlines. I'm talking heavy things like what it really means to be a man in the world. How you will be perceived and treated; respected and disrespected, etc. after you transition.

Anybody else have experiences after transitioning that kind of made you have to regroup so to speak?


Hey Malcolm great to see you! Sorry that you have had some uncomfortable experiences as of late.

I think it is one thing to know that certain things exist and another to experience them. Sometimes I think all the knowledge in the world will prepare me but once I experience something for the first time I realize that nothing could prepare me.

I can't begin to know what it is like to be a male poc, however I have had experiences since my transition that throw me for a loop, are uncomfortable, and sometimes still are.

When i was perceived as female at night I was always cautious and if there was a man around extremely intentive of the fact and aware of my surroundings. It's still uncomfortable to now be the one perceived as a possible threat/danger. It's weird having to be concious of how my behavior in certain instances is now perceived totally different now that I'm seen as male instead of female.

Other examples include interacting with kids. I'm a huge flirt with kids and when I was perceived as female it never alerted anybodys "red" flags. Now that i'm seen as male people are more cautious.

I'm a messenger and often sit in my car waiting for the next job to come. Sometimes it's in residential areas and I'm still waiting for someone to call the cops thinking i'm a potential perpertrator.

A lot of these behaviors are understandable, in fact i've been the one of caution, but it's totally different to now be perceived as the one that could be a potential threat.

Linus 07-15-2010 10:27 AM

:happyjump: I just checked online and apparently my Birth Certificate has finally been approved and is on its way!! :cheer: FINALLY! Now I can go for the SIN card and Passport. Hopefully they will be quicker! :blink:

Thinker 07-15-2010 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Linus (Post 153514)
:happyjump: I just checked online and apparently my Birth Certificate has finally been approved and is on its way!! :cheer: FINALLY! Now I can go for the SIN card and Passport. Hopefully they will be quicker! :blink:

That is so awesome! Congrats on that and good luck with the rest!!

Thinker 07-15-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by June (Post 153517)
Hi, I have a question for the Trans folks in our community.

Knowing that there are a lot of acceptance issues for everyone involved, do you think it is more difficult to be accepted or welcomed into the on and off line BF communities as a FTM or MTF?

Where do you see the differences/disparities occurring? Why do you think that is? How can we help make that better?

Thank you, and feel free to ask me for clarification.

June

I don't know that I can answer really. I had some pretty deep roots in the community well before I decided to transition, so I just figure no one pays me any mind because of that.

If there is something more specific you want to ask (me), then please know I will give you an honest, thoughtful reply. I certainly want to help in any way I can.

Thinker 07-15-2010 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by June (Post 153666)
Thank you, Thinker. So, here, let me put you on the hotseat for a moment. Do you think you kind of got "a pass" here because you were so well known by people, and you were just kind of "Our Thinker" and didn't start out being "other" or "outsider" or even "unknown"?

I wonder how it looks to those who have transitioned prior to coming to the site or even afterwards, but aren't as well known or known at all?

Yeah, I think I probably did.

I remember back a gazillion years ago at the site where I first joined this community. A post-transition FTM joined up and starting chiming in here and there, and I remember thinking... "Who the eff is this guy? He's not a transman. He's here to be an ass and hit on femmes."

Heh heh... Needless to say, I was pretty insecure and relatively immature in a lot of ways back then. Now, I wasn't overtly cruel to this guy; but I did not go out of my way to make him feel welcome either. Keep in mind, too, that he stated directly that he was straight and never identified as butch. At that time in my life, that was all I needed to "not like him". Again...my insecurities and immaturity at play.

I realize that's just me and that I can't project that kind of behavior on to any other member here. But... ;) I suspect there might be one or two (or 80) members who would be as suspicious now as I was back then.....perhaps even offering up a less than warm reception to the newcomer.

I'm just guessing, but I think what probably drives it is wondering why a straight guy would join up at a queer site. Folks see that and get suspicious.......and protective. Think about it... We've already seen the question, "Why would a man want to be at a queer site?" If that's the overarching question when dealing with this man...the lens through which you view him.....then you (general you) aren't going to be completely open and welcoming.

Liam 07-15-2010 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 153517)
Hi, I have a question for the Trans folks in our community.

Knowing that there are a lot of acceptance issues for everyone involved, do you think it is more difficult to be accepted or welcomed into the on and off line BF communities as a FTM or MTF?

Where do you see the differences/disparities occurring? Why do you think that is? How can we help make that better?

Thank you, and feel free to ask me for clarification.

June

I don't have a local BF community, however when I lived in Park County I was accepted and warmly welcomed by a community of women, and that has not changed, since I became Liam. I did not feel particularly welcomed when I came here, and I left for a few months after I signed up.

I don't know.

Jet 07-15-2010 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 153517)
Hi, I have a question for the Trans folks in our community.

Knowing that there are a lot of acceptance issues for everyone involved, do you think it is more difficult to be accepted or welcomed into the on and off line BF communities as a FTM or MTF?

Where do you see the differences/disparities occurring? Why do you think that is? How can we help make that better?

Thank you, and feel free to ask me for clarification.

June

It's difficult to be accepted. I've experienced this off site. As far as on line, I think its difficult because it seems you can't say a without being criticized or called on it some how. That doesn't have anything to do with gender, it's just difficult here.

Gentle Tiger 07-15-2010 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by June (Post 153517)
Hi, I have a question for the Trans folks in our community.

Knowing that there are a lot of acceptance issues for everyone involved, do you think it is more difficult to be accepted or welcomed into the on and off line BF communities as a FTM or MTF?

Where do you see the differences/disparities occurring? Why do you think that is? How can we help make that better?

Thank you, and feel free to ask me for clarification.

June

I will give this some thought and then respond.

Jet 07-15-2010 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by June (Post 153794)
Yes, Jet -- You and I have talked about this before that you are often surprised at what folks get upset about. Overall, do you feel welcomed as a man here, even if you and I have to cross swords sometimes? ;)

No, not really. I can't expect to be validated based on what people think of me.
Masculinity comes from me—from the inside. Am I welcomed as a man by others? No, I don't think so. Except for fellow FTMs.
They are the ones who get it. Thanks for asking.


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