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homoe 09-17-2019 06:03 AM

Update..........
 
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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1252634)
Two New York Times reporters say they’ve uncovered a previously unreported account of sexual misconduct allegedly carried out by Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh when he was a student at Yale.

In an op-ed for the Times, Robin Pogrebin and Kate Kelly said they learned of the alleged misconduct during a 10-month investigation of Kavanaugh’s life at prep-school and Yale, including the assault accusations, for their upcoming book, “The Education of Brett Kavanaugh: An Investigation.”

Max Stier, Kavanaugh’s classmate at Yale, told the reporters that he once saw Kavanaugh with his pants down while his friends pushed his penis into the hands of a female student during a dorm party.

According to Pogrebin and Kelly, Stier reported his account to senators and the FBI, though the FBI didn’t investigate it. Pogrebin and Kelly said they “corroborated the story with two officials who have communicated with” Stier.

What Stier said he witnessed is similar to an allegation lodged against Kavanaugh by his former classmate Deborah Ramirez, which was first reported by the New Yorker’s Ronan Farrow last September.

Alleged Victim In New York Times Kavanaugh Story Denies Any Recollection Of Incident

Sidebar: My school of thought is.. perhaps she has "convenient memory lost" after seeing the despicable way other accusers of Kavanaugh were treated when they came forward and what a sham the whole confirmation hearing was! IMHO after seeing what Christine Blasey Ford went through and him still being confirmed, it's my opinion no female in her right mind will come forward now unfortunately!

Apocalipstic 09-17-2019 09:42 PM

https://www.nashvillescene.com/news/...boQuqG9eUdAKK0

MrSunshine 09-18-2019 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1252772)
Alleged Victim In New York Times Kavanaugh Story Denies Any Recollection Of Incident

Sidebar: My school of thought is.. perhaps she has "convenient memory lost" after seeing the despicable way other accusers of Kavanaugh were treated when they came forward and what a sham the whole confirmation hearing was! IMHO after seeing what Christine Blasey Ford went through and him still being confirmed, it's my opinion no female in her right mind will come forward now unfortunately!


I believe your honest opinion is spot on. I can’t stand that fucker!

Kobi 09-18-2019 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by homoe (Post 1252772)
Alleged Victim In New York Times Kavanaugh Story Denies Any Recollection Of Incident

Sidebar: My school of thought is.. perhaps she has "convenient memory lost" after seeing the despicable way other accusers of Kavanaugh were treated when they came forward and what a sham the whole confirmation hearing was! IMHO after seeing what Christine Blasey Ford went through and him still being confirmed, it's my opinion no female in her right mind will come forward now unfortunately!

Maybe it is selective memory loss or maybe a drunken blackout or maybe she was too drunk to be conscious.

Hearsay is not legally allowed in prosecution.And the victim not remembering while a bunch of other party goers do remember is suspect as well.

This all came up again because of another book. The statute of limitation saves the people reporting from being charged with complicity aka watching someone being sexually attacked and standing by doing nothing for 50 years. That is more worrisome to me.

Women are well aware of the risks they take when they come forward. Some of this was erased during the 2nd wave but then it was dropped when women became more concerned about employment, single parenthood and other issues.

If you understand the history of women, you know all the hardships the trailblazers endured were deliberately avoided by most out of fear. Understandable but change means taking those risks for both yourself and others. Cowering in the corner serves no one.


charley 09-20-2019 01:21 AM

U.S. Navy confirms that UFOs actually exist
 
As seen on Stephen Colbert a few minutes ago, the U.S. Navy has confirmed that UFOs actually exist, but they call them UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena)!

As per The Washington Post article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...op-saying-ufo/

even got a clip, from a sighting mentioned by Anderson Cooper (CNN) 2 days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60ZJQ4I7_3M

Well, who knew! lol

Esme nha Maire 09-24-2019 07:20 AM

Prorogation of UK Parliament declared ILLEGAL
 
The prorogation of Parliament for 5 weeks by Boris Johnson has been delcrred illegal. Parliament will resume sitting at 11:30am on Wednesday.

see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261 for details.

Apocalipstic 09-24-2019 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Esme nha Maire (Post 1253223)
The prorogation of Parliament for 5 weeks by Boris Johnson has been delcrred illegal. Parliament will resume sitting at 11:30am on Wednesday.

see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49810261 for details.

I saw this, do you think it will change Brexit? Hi there btw! xoxoxoxo

Esme nha Maire 09-24-2019 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Apocalipstic (Post 1253244)
I saw this, do you think it will change Brexit? Hi there btw! xoxoxoxo

Too hard to tell. Thing is that the referendum on Brexit was a close call in the first place, but it;s clear that a sizable minority of those who were in favour of Brexit assumed taht it'd be done "nicely", ie: with a sensible deal. Those folk are as unhappy about a no-deal Brexit as the Remainers are.

Johnson hasn't been making any real effort to get a deal but says he'd rather die in a ditch than ask for another extension to the UK exiting the EU. Meanwhile, he has thoroughly disgraced himself in the eyes of most people in the country,including many members of his own party. Parliament will be sitting from tomorrow lunchtime again, and now has plenty of time to put forward motions and vote on them. Just about everybody is angry that teh Queen has been involved in the middle of a political row (the Queen had no real choice in giving assent to the prorogation, as per custom; if she had refused, she would have been interfering in politics) There's already rumblings from some quarters that Johnson should resign.

Given all THAT - I reckon it'd be easier to predict the fall of a ball in roulette!

~ocean 09-24-2019 03:37 PM

I am absolutely giddy ~ YEAH PELOSI !!!

Esme nha Maire 09-25-2019 12:54 PM

I forgot to add a potentially significant factor in my previous posting: at teh time of teh original referendum, the engagement of young folk was pretty low. UK politics had been so "Meh! What;s the point?" for so long, that frankly, I couldn;t blame them. And everyone knew that teh result woudl be to remain, the leave vote woudl just be a protest vote. That really is what everyone thought they knew.

The result of the referndum was a shock to everyone, not least David Cameron, and youngsters in particular were stunned and outraged. Had they bothered to vote in the first place, of course, the vote might well have gone the other way. Meanwhile, in the three years since then even more youngsters have reached voting age, and a simialr number of older voters will have died. So what with one thing and another, it;s an entirely reasonable guess that if the same referendum were held today, the result would go the other way.

It's also become more evident to more people just how much chaos and disruption to services a no-deal Brexit would cause. And naturally, folk are starting to question why, under the circumstances, Boris and teh liek are so keen on going ahead with a no-deal Brexit. Favourite theory seems to be that they've got some financial interest in seeing the UK economy take a hit. I know that sort of thing can be done, though I do not understand how. How likely that notion is to be true I am not sure - but given how unscrupulous Johnson has shown himself to be, I lean toward thinking it a distinct possibility.

Add all that into what I said in my previous posting, and you can see why someone like me, who isn't particularly into politics, hasn't a hope of trying to predict how things will progress.

~ocean 09-25-2019 03:38 PM

Has there ever been a bigger BAFOON than Donald Trump ~ I was waiting for him to turn into porky pig ~ he was rambling on and on making no sense ~ I personally feel he has gone crazy. ~ on that note we as thinking functioning intelligent people should just wait for the Justice Dept. to take over . This public address to the American People will go down in history as THE speech of lies. Last night on Stephen Colbert he did a skit on the "WHISTLEBLOWER" and then showed a picture of Melania Trump lol ~ I needed a laugh like that . ty SC lol

Ravenouss 09-25-2019 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ~ocean (Post 1253316)
Has there ever been a bigger BAFOON than Donald Trump ~ I was waiting for him to turn into porky pig ~ he was rambling on and on making no sense ~ I personally feel he has gone crazy. ~ on that note we as thinking functioning intelligent people should just wait for the Justice Dept. to take over . This public address to the American People will go down in history as THE speech of lies. Last night on Stephen Colbert he did a skit on the "WHISTLEBLOWER" and then showed a picture of Melania Trump lol ~ I needed a laugh like that . ty SC lol

Sounded like he had a mini stroke or someone put a Valium in his coke.

~ocean 09-26-2019 11:29 AM

rut row porky pig is gonna blow !! (aka TRUMP) his reaction to the investigation is hitting porky in his squiggly tail ~ I wonder if a divorce lawyer is on a retainer ? on another note I loved the earing's and that 4 layered pearl necklace worn by one of our sister's was perfect accessorized attire for the televised meetings.

Stone-Butch 09-26-2019 11:29 AM

news
 
Has anyone seen the UKs P.M.? I swear he is a Trump fan, they look identical from some shots . I think they both use the same bad hairdresser.

~ocean 09-26-2019 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stone-Butch (Post 1253367)
Has anyone seen the UKs P.M.? I swear he is a Trump fan, they look identical from some shots . I think they both use the same bad hairdresser.

((((( stone ))))))) lol that color should be outlawed ~

Kätzchen 11-04-2019 10:50 AM

A federal court just ruled that T^^^p must turn over 8 years worth of taxes, just moments ago. Hopefully, knowing how T^^^p lies and distorts and evades the truth by manipulating facts and evidence, a forensic Tax specialist officer will find every lie hidden in his tax returns.

NYT article link ~~~>>>>> (click here)

~ocean 11-04-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Kätzchen (Post 1256072)
A federal court just ruled that T^^^p must turn over 8 years worth of taxes, just moments ago. Hopefully, knowing how T^^^p lies and distorts and evades the truth by manipulating facts and evidence, a forensic Tax specialist officer will find every lie hidden in his tax returns.

NYT article link ~~~>>>>> (click here)

maybe this is why he moved to Florida where there aren't property taxes !! ty 4 sharing ((((( Katzchen)))))

Kätzchen 11-04-2019 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ~ocean (Post 1256079)
maybe this is why he moved to Florida where there aren't property taxes !! ty 4 sharing ((((( Katzchen)))))

If there's no property taxes in Florida, then it's plausible to believe that this might be why that person chose that choice. But..., I'm thinking it's because they don't want to be held accountable for tax evasion in New York, where they have claimed they have lived all along.

LOL (or not), it is definitely a civics lesson for the general public on how this clown is doing everybody he owes money to, including the IRS. Imagine if you lived in one of the slum buildings owned by any member of that family? They charge you a high price to live in their version of apartment homes, when they, in secret, have probably found a way to cheat the government by not paying taxes on their properties and misusing funds designated for 'renovating' certain properties when they probably never did anything except change a light-socket panel cover or (….).

Thanks for holding space for me, Sister Ocean. I appreciate the kind and warm hearted tones conveyed in your post. (f) (f) (f)

charley 11-15-2019 11:44 AM

Roger Stone
 
Roger Stone has been found guilty on all 7 counts...

another one bites the dust... !!

At least, a significant portion of the judicial system in the States to date is as yet untainted.

My mind boggles at the incredible degree of corruption of all these politicians and their accomplices, and the fact that Trump has not yet been dethroned.
Considering how corrupt the Republicans are as well as a large percentage of Americans who now believe in weird conspiracy theories, obviously the Congress will vote to impeach (eventually), but I have understood that the Republican held Senate will not vote the same way. I fear for democracy world-wide.

I would like to say that this will end badly, but it is ludicrous to assume "for whom" it will end badly, considering how loyalty is emphasized instead of truth and fact.

Am presently watching Marie Yovanovitch's testimony in the Senate hearings. Even while testifying, Trump tweeted about her, and trashed her! How sad and tragic that her career ended so badly and was engineered by thoroughly bad/evil people.

This whole process makes me think that in spite of all the obvious overt lying of those in power, the worst lies are always the lies of omission, the silence of those who could say something against the obvious abuse and corruption but don't because of vested interests.

Apparently, I'm kinda relieved that there are still people in the world like Yovanovitch and the others who the Senate will be calling upon and who are willing to testify who have some degree of integrity.

homoe 11-15-2019 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by charley (Post 1256859)
Roger Stone has been found guilty on all 7 counts...

another one bites the dust... !!

At least, a significant portion of the judicial system in the States to date is as yet untainted.

My mind boggles at the incredible degree of corruption of all these politicians and their accomplices, and the fact that Trump has not yet been dethroned.
Considering how corrupt the Republicans are as well as a large percentage of Americans who now believe in weird conspiracy theories, obviously the Congress will vote to impeach (eventually), but I have understood that the Republican held Senate will not vote the same way. I fear for democracy world-wide.

I would like to say that this will end badly, but it is ludicrous to assume "for whom" it will end badly, considering how loyalty is emphasized instead of truth and fact.

Am presently watching Marie Yovanovitch's testimony in the Senate hearings. Even while testifying, Trump tweeted about her, and trashed her! How sad and tragic that her career ended so badly and was engineered by thoroughly bad/evil people.

This whole process makes me think that in spite of all the obvious overt lying of those in power, the worst lies are always the lies of omission, the silence of those who could say something against the obvious abuse and corruption but don't because of vested interests.

Apparently, I'm kinda relieved that there are still people in the world like Yovanovitch and the others who the Senate will be calling upon and who are willing to testify who have some degree of integrity.

GREAT NEWS..........:hangloose:

JDeere 11-15-2019 09:36 PM

https://abc13.com/rodney-reed-execut...peals/5699822/

If there is proof he didn't do it, why hasn't it been brought up till now? If he is guilty, fry him.

cathexis 11-17-2019 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JDeere (Post 1256904)
https://abc13.com/rodney-reed-execut...peals/5699822/

If there is proof he didn't do it, why hasn't it been brought up till now? If he is guilty, fry him.

If there is an atom of doubt that a convicted person may not have committed the crime for which they will be executed, execution is a cruel, unfitting and unusual punishment for most crimes. A much more fitting punishment would life in Super Max prison with, yes with, the possibility of parole under certain conditions.

Internal war, coup d'tat, or a revolution is quite a different situation. The war crimes as determined by the victor should be tried in a military tribunal similar to the Nuremberg trials or The USSR tribunals.

homoe 11-27-2019 11:38 PM

Nunes faces potential ethics review over alleged meeting with Ukrainian official..
 
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) could face a review of whether he violated House ethics rules by allegedly meeting with a former Ukrainian official to get dirt on the Bidens on a taxpayer-funded trip. At least one outside group has filed a complaint against Nunes with the independent Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE), which can review cases against lawmakers and refer them to the House Ethics Committee.

The Democratic Coalition, a liberal group, filed an ethics complaint against Nunes, with the OCE alleging that he violated House rules by having a conflict of interest in the impeachment inquiry if he had interactions with people under investigation and by engaging in political activity while on official business.

Him and his pious demeanor during the hearings were so sickening. Oh how I hope they fry this little piss-ant....

JDeere 11-28-2019 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cathexis (Post 1257005)
If there is an atom of doubt that a convicted person may not have committed the crime for which they will be executed, execution is a cruel, unfitting and unusual punishment for most crimes. A much more fitting punishment would life in Super Max prison with, yes with, the possibility of parole under certain conditions.

Internal war, coup d'tat, or a revolution is quite a different situation. The war crimes as determined by the victor should be tried in a military tribunal similar to the Nuremberg trials or The USSR tribunals.

If he did commit this crime, its cheaper to fry him then it is to house him, max security prisons are expensive to continue to run. The whole system needs an overhaul, I am for lethal injection, electric chair, hanging, firing squad punishments.

There is a whole list of crimes that people deserve to die for, as a person who has a loved on in prison, the one my half bro committed, he should have been dead by now, to me there is no such thing as rehabiliating a criminal.

Oklahoma and Texas are ranked 1 and 2 for being death states, to me the states cant execute these people fast enough, save us tax payers money for once.

This continuing court cases going back and forth is wasting more money, that can go to other things, pisses me off!

homoe 11-28-2019 12:25 AM

The homeless are fed and embraced across the country at Thanksgiving. The rest of the year? Cities are pushing back!

It just slays me now how all of a sudden, within these past few years, public elected officials have sat up and taken notice of the homeless problem! Perhaps they thought if they ignored the problem long enough it'd just go away??

When I moved to Seattle in 2002 there were homeless living on the streets but it wasn't ever addressed as I remember. If some event came to the city they'd force the homeless to another area so as not to distract from whatever was happening. Other than that mostly it wasn't mentioned or reported on!

Within these past years Seattle has experienced a building boom! Downtown, West Seattle, Ballard, the list goes on and on. Developer swooped in and bought up properties, tore down perfectly good affordable housing only to replace it with condos or rentals units that were far beyond the cost that the average working stiff could afford. The rub was, often times there were zoning laws that should of prevented this but mysteriously *cough cough* got changed in quick order!

So now, with so much of the once affordable housing gone, is it any wonder there is even more of a homelessness problem. The Mayor of Seattle, the Common Council, the Board Of Supervisors, etc etc are all running around now like chickens with their heads cuts off trying to come up with solutions to this problem when they should of been paying attention all along!

cathexis 11-29-2019 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JDeere (Post 1257786)
If he did commit this crime, its cheaper to fry him then it is to house him, max security prisons are expensive to continue to run. The whole system needs an overhaul, I am for lethal injection, electric chair, hanging, firing squad punishments.

There is a whole list of crimes that people deserve to die for, as a person who has a loved on in prison, the one my half bro committed, he should have been dead by now, to me there is no such thing as rehabiliating a criminal.

Oklahoma and Texas are ranked 1 and 2 for being death states, to me the states cant execute these people fast enough, save us tax payers money for once.

This continuing court cases going back and forth is wasting more money, that can go to other things, pisses me off!

Oh, I see, neither you nor one of your relatives have ever been jailed or imprisoned for something not done. Well, even just releasing can't give anyone back the weeks, months, years OR decades let alone loss of job and housing, reputation destruction, or disruption of families.
Death sentences aren't punishments they're retributions. Also, it's been proven that does nothing to prevent crime.
I'd love to see your list of crimes a person should be killed for. The only one I might agree with would be premeditated mass murder if the crime meets certain conditions.

JDeere 11-29-2019 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cathexis (Post 1257834)
Oh, I see, neither you nor one of your relatives have ever been jailed or imprisoned for something not done. Well, even just releasing can't give anyone back the weeks, months, years OR decades let alone loss of job and housing, reputation destruction, or disruption of families.
Death sentences aren't punishments they're retributions. Also, it's been proven that does nothing to prevent crime.
I'd love to see your list of crimes a person should be killed for. The only one I might agree with would be premeditated mass murder if the crime meets certain conditions.

You really wanna go there with me?

JDeere 11-29-2019 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cathexis (Post 1257834)
Oh, I see, neither you nor one of your relatives have ever been jailed or imprisoned for something not done. Well, even just releasing can't give anyone back the weeks, months, years OR decades let alone loss of job and housing, reputation destruction, or disruption of families.
Death sentences aren't punishments they're retributions. Also, it's been proven that does nothing to prevent crime.
I'd love to see your list of crimes a person should be killed for. The only one I might agree with would be premeditated mass murder if the crime meets certain conditions.

Lets see...


Any type of sex offense, rape, pedophilia, bestiality, etc

Murder any class of murder... That includes my half bro who should be dead for his crime.

Any class of violent crime... If you're violent with humans, animals you need to go too.

Having people who are guilty, sitting there wasting tax money irks me. I don't believe in rehabilitation of a person with a sick mind....

kittygrrl 11-29-2019 10:32 PM

re: death penalties-i don't see them resolving any of society's ills, bringing back loved ones or restoring the overall peace and tranquility of a community...killing is killing...housing those ill favored individuals won't redeem them it's true but neither does agreeing to kill them makes us a better society. Killing as punishment or for any reason is a indictment of a society that is rampant in greed, evil and has no mercy for the less fortunate..We are violent creatures and would rather wallow in a filthy soup filled with violence as a means to an end rather then search diligently and fervently to resolve poverty and seek all available means to provide equal opportunity for all individuals and to banish want..value charity and the inestimable worth of each creature on this planet.

JDeere 11-30-2019 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl (Post 1257865)
re: death penalties-i don't see them resolving any of society's ills, bringing back loved ones or restoring the overall peace and tranquility of a community...killing is killing...housing those ill favored individuals won't redeem them it's true but neither does agreeing to kill them makes us a better society. Killing as punishment or for any reason is a indictment of a society that is rampant in greed, evil and has no mercy for the less fortunate..We are violent creatures and would rather wallow in a filthy soup filled with violence as a means to an end rather then search diligently and fervently to resolve poverty and seek all available means to provide equal opportunity for all individuals and to banish want..value charity and the inestimable worth of each creature on this planet.

So you think pedophiles, sex offenders, abusers, etc should continue to live on this earth?

C0LLETTE 11-30-2019 04:26 PM

Gee whiz, couple of years ago (and maybe still ) we would have executed all "gay" persons and anyone buying a dildo or other sex toy...sexual perverts and all.
Maybe the only people we should consider executing are the ones who would execute others. Probably be a lot less executing going on if we did that.

kittygrrl 11-30-2019 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JDeere (Post 1257897)
So you think pedophiles, sex offenders, abusers, etc should continue to live on this earth?

I don't think repaying cruelty with more cruelty will help things at all J..i hope someday you can see my point of view or even better live in a world where this is possible.

JDeere 11-30-2019 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl (Post 1257900)
I don't think repaying cruelty with more cruelty will help things at all J..i hope someday you can see my point of view or even better live in a world where this is possible.

Sorry no. Not gonna happen. But you answered my question by not answering at all.

I refuse to live in a world where sick fucks get to roam where their victims hide or kill themselves.

GeorgiaMa'am 11-30-2019 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JDeere (Post 1257897)
So you think pedophiles, sex offenders, abusers, etc should continue to live on this earth?

I used to think this way, JDeere. To me, it was a simple matter of numbers - if someone did something that deserved death, it was cheaper to execute them than to keep them alive in some prison. It made perfect sense to me that people who didn't deserve to live, also didn't deserve to live off my money for the rest of their lives. I also (still think) it is not good to put people in the position of being prison guards. I think it is bad for them psychologically, and turns them into the kind of people we really don't need in society (and this remains an unsolved problem).

But more recently, I have decided that perhaps it is worth the money to keep people in prison. For instance, it is just not possible for our justice system to be right every time - so, if we kill everyone that we think deserves it, we will be wrong sometimes. Executing those people is just wrong, whether we do it in good faith or not.

I don't think some laws are perfect, either - for instance, the one for pedophiles. What if it's a 20-year-old who sleeps consensually with a 17-year-old - should we call that 20-year-old a pedophile? There are certainly some communities that would do so if the two people were the same gender, or perhaps if the parents of the 17-year-old wanted to put a stop to the relationship.

Also, there are people it is not a good idea to kill for the sake of society - for instance, Charles Manson. Charles Manson is clearly crazy and evil, and possibly the best thing for him and everyone else would have been to execute him. However, society can't risk making him into a folk hero. There are mass murderers and cult leaders and well-known Nazis and others that we can't execute simply because we don't want to turn them into martyrs for those causes.

And finally, I also decided that it is just more important to show mercy in most cases. Leaving people in prison to rot is more merciful in my mind than executing them. It is not even so much that it is important for the bad people to receive mercy; to me, it's even more important that good people (and bad people who don't get caught) show mercy. That's the kind of society I want to live in - not an "eye for an eye" kind of world, but the kind where people show each other mercy.

No problem here if you disagree with me - many people often do. I certainly think I understand your point of view, and a small part of me, in some circumstances, agrees with you.

JDeere 11-30-2019 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaMa'am (Post 1257910)
I used to think this way, JDeere. To me, it was a simple matter of numbers - if someone did something that deserved death, it was cheaper to execute them than to keep them alive in some prison. It made perfect sense to me that people who didn't deserve to live, also didn't deserve to live off my money for the rest of their lives. I also (still think) it is not good to put people in the position of being prison guards. I think it is bad for them psychologically, and turns them into the kind of people we really don't need in society (and this remains an unsolved problem).

But more recently, I have decided that perhaps it is worth the money to keep people in prison. For instance, it is just not possible for our justice system to be right every time - so, if we kill everyone that we think deserves it, we will be wrong sometimes. Executing those people is just wrong, whether we do it in good faith or not.

I don't think some laws are perfect, either - for instance, the one for pedophiles. What if it's a 20-year-old who sleeps consensually with a 17-year-old - should we call that 20-year-old a pedophile? There are certainly some communities that would do so if the two people were the same gender, or perhaps if the parents of the 17-year-old wanted to put a stop to the relationship.

Also, there are people it is not a good idea to kill for the sake of society - for instance, Charles Manson. Charles Manson is clearly crazy and evil, and possibly the best thing for him and everyone else would have been to execute him. However, society can't risk making him into a folk hero. There are mass murderers and cult leaders and well-known Nazis and others that we can't execute simply because we don't want to turn them into martyrs for those causes.

And finally, I also decided that it is just more important to show mercy in most cases. Leaving people in prison to rot is more merciful in my mind than executing them. It is not even so much that it is important for the bad people to receive mercy; to me, it's even more important that good people (and bad people who don't get caught) show mercy. That's the kind of society I want to live in - not an "eye for an eye" kind of world, but the kind where people show each other mercy.

No problem here if you disagree with me - many people often do. I certainly think I understand your point of view, and a small part of me, in some circumstances, agrees with you.


Yes i disagree of course. But when something happens to family personally.. You get tired of being kind.

charley 11-30-2019 06:59 PM

Killers
 
This is truly a difficult subject for everyone. Once upon a time, I bumped into an acquaintance who was chatting outside a coffee place with someone I didn't know, and so I said hi, and my acquaintance went to fetch coffee, and left me standing there alone with this really big fella. This fella was wearing biker logo, and so I took the opportunity to talk one-on-one with this fella, and being bloody curious, I began to talk about feelings cause I wondered what someone like that felt in his heart. (I was aware that this particular gang had to earn their "logo" by killing someone.).... So..... I asked him what he felt in his heart. And, curiously, he answered completely. He said that when he did feel inside, he felt a coldness. Without going into detail, I met someone else who had killed many years before, and the coldness coming off of him was incredible - so much so that I had to move away. I have understood that anyone who kills anyone has this inside of them, and there is nothing that would empty/heal this coldness, nothing, nothing at all, not even organized religion could "save" them. The thing is, for me at least, that anyone who kills anyone else has literally "killed" themselves.

Personally, I would not like to sit in judgement over anyone. I would feel responsible in some way, and this is not acceptable to me. I wouldn't want the bad karma associated with such a responsibility. So, the problem remains what to do with such monsters...? Obviously, they should never be allowed to live in the same world as I do and move around freely where they might harm anyone else again. Please understand that I live in Canada, where capital punishment is no longer permitted. So, the only thing I can say is that there is the judgement of life imprisonment, with no chance of parole, ever. That would be my take on the subject.

There is also the problem that approx. 1 in 25 people who are in prison for x sort of crimes who is innocent, and might possibly be exonerated. (I saw that on TV, hope I got the stats right ... not sure)

What I do know of criminal justice is that it was originally based on vengeance, an eye-for-eye... and tooth-for-tooth. The clever words of those in the legal profession seem to have morphed the idea of "vengeance" into the idea of "justice", a rather stupid euphemism. I do not feel nor think that this is justice, it is only a judgement. And, I would add, I do not believe for one minute that vengeance enacted can in any way "heal" the grieving relatives - those left behind.

What I have learned and understood is that there are professionals such as profilers who have studied "monsters" who are imprisoned and have used that understanding to catch other monsters. Not only that, but have used that understanding to discover the fact of very young kids starting off by doing harm (for example, to small animals) and someone being alerted to that and social services intervening.

kittygrrl 12-01-2019 07:25 PM

J..i never suggested nor do i believe those who have harmed people or other creatures should roam around freely...never should they be allowed out again but locked away securely and treated humanely..having access to decent food, mental health care, and an approved library for reading, access to some (in prison) college classes, outgoing mail w approval..access to internet?...probably not..No cell phones. Limited visitation from lawyers and close relations and all their correspondence and visitors should be checked thoroughly for objects and substances they shouldn't have.

JDeere 12-01-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kittygrrl (Post 1257979)
J..i never suggested nor do i believe those who have harmed people or other creatures should roam around freely...never should they be allowed out again but locked away securely and treated humanely..having access to decent food, mental health care, and an approved library for reading, access to some (in prison) college classes, outgoing mail w approval..access to internet?...probably not..No cell phones. Limited visitation from lawyers and close relations and all their correspondence and visitors should be checked thoroughly for objects and substances they shouldn't have.

Umm they already have access to all this including drugs, cell phones, etc.

Prisoners get better health care then non prisoners do.

The system allows them the use of notebook internet deals to check emails from family, etc.

So again taking my tax dollars to live better than me and feel no remorse, naw not cool. Maybe one day someone may burn down all the prisons with all the inmates in them. Spare us a shit ton of tax dollars to put back into other areas it's needed.

homoe 12-14-2019 05:36 PM

Hallmark channel caves to homophobes....


Not all is merry and bright in the land of endless Christmas known at The Hallmark Channel. Following a petition by a bunch of hateful homophobes, Hallmark has pulled a series of adds from wedding planning company Zola because they feature – GASP! – a lesbian couple kissing.

dark_crystal 12-15-2019 11:19 AM

Breaking news: women get horny
 
(I pasted the whole thing due to paywall)

NYT: The Year Women Got ‘Horny’

Women reclaimed a word once the province of crass boys and men who are boys.

By Tracie Egan Morrissey
Dec. 13, 2019

Coffee, “Star Wars,” turtlenecks, grief: These four seemingly unrelated things are “horny” — or induce horniness — at least according to many young women online, who are openly asserting their desires with a term long thought of as crass and juvenile.

But now, like vape stores or a broken container of glitter, it’s suddenly everywhere.

Take the last few months, when people called chicken parm, Ariana Grande’s “Christmas and Chill” EP and the obsessions of right-wing conspiracy theorists “horny.” While promoting “Hustlers,” Jennifer Lopez told GQ, “A lot of things make me horny.” It would seem as though people are horny for the word itself.

Phonetically speaking, “horny” is ugly. It lends itself to a nasal sound that’s comically inelegant. “Horny” is the aural equivalent of those Chinese Crested dogs that are so ugly that it’s actually funny — endearing, even. “Horny” has benefited, in part, from that same so-bad-it’s-good rationality.

“I used to hate the word,” Sophia Benoit said. “I used to think it was so disgusting.” Ms. Benoit writes a column for GQ about the sexiest things that men did during the month, called “Horny on Main,” which on the internet means posting sexually charged content to your main social media account, as opposed to posting on a separate, and likely secret, account that was created for that purpose. (According to Know Your Meme, a website that investigates and documents online phenomena, the first appearance of “horny on main” was in June 2016.)

“But I love it now, because I think we, especially women, have reclaimed it and made it not gross,” Ms. Benoit said.

And it’s true that, before this renaissance, “horny” had been gross for quite a long time. For many, the word has been most closely associated with unbridled adolescent male arousal thanks to conventional teen sex comedies like “Porky’s” or “American Pie.”

It was mischievous, it was socially acceptable, but above all, it was decidedly masculine. It’s a perception that was hundreds of years in the making.

This will probably come as a shock to absolutely no one, but the word “horny” stems from the description of an animal horn. Twenty-five years ago, William Safire wrote about “horny” for his etymology column in The New York Times Magazine, noting that a “horn is hard; it is shaft-shaped; since the 15th century, it has been used as a symbol for the male’s erect sex organ.”

But here we are, half a millennium later, and women are not just aroused, not just sexual beings, but are, indeed, horny, and reclaiming a word that never really applied to them to begin with.

“Horny” first went mainstream about halfway into 2018. That year, The Cut, a female-focused vertical from New York Magazine, dedicated all its content during one week to “summer horniness.”

Broadly, a female-focused vertical from Vice Media (which I used to edit), published a year-end roundup of “the horniest things that happened.” Teen Vogue explained what horny is and how to spot it to its young readership.

And of course, there was the “horny Beto tweet” that brought horny Twitter to many people’s timelines: Leah McElrath, a middle-aged political analyst, compared the potential Democratic presidential candidates Richard Ojeda, Michael Avenatti and Beto O’Rourke in terms of graphic sexual analogies.

Around the same time, BuzzFeed started “Thirst Aid Kit,” a podcast hosted by Bim Adewunmi and Nichole Perkins. (“Thirst” is a term that can take a few different meanings, including overt eagerness — yes, sexually). The show was canceled, along with several other BuzzFeed podcasts, but was later picked up by Slate in September.

It’s possible that after a solid year of #MeToo, in which women were using social media to publicly share sexual harassment and abuse allegations, asserting what they didn’t want, maybe it felt good to pivot to communicating what they did want. Expressing one’s horniness, as a woman, represents a significant shift from that of sexual object to sexual subject.

Allison P. Davis, a staff writer for New York magazine and The Cut, considers it a form of thwarting the patriarchy.

“It’s being used as a sort of overcorrection to this idea that women can’t be heard when they express their desires,” Ms. Davis said. “It’s a big, bold way of taking up space.”

She would know. Ms. Davis is writing a book called “Horny,” a combination of personal storytelling and cultural reporting on “one of the last great taboos: female horniness.” It is due out next year from Avid Reader Press.

Ms. Benoit also thinks that the substantial contextual difference in this modern form of horniness is rooted in women’s liberation. “I think what is so nice about the reclaiming of ‘horny’ for the people that are using it now is that it’s from people whose horniness hasn’t been harmful to others, historically.”

However, she says that the recent popularization of “horny” predates the sexual harassment scandals of 2017 and 2018, first popping up on Twitter three or four years ago. “I think #MeToo came from women already knowing that they can have sex on their own terms, which is what horny is about,” she said.

A People’s History of Horny Culture

The idea that women could at once loathe sexual impropriety and desire dirty sex seems simple and obvious, yet it’s been an agonizingly protracted journey for us to arrive here.

In the early 1980s, “the feminist sex wars” — polarizing debates within the women’s movement around issues like sexual activity and pornography — heralded feminism’s third wave, with sex-positive writers like Susie Bright, Camille Paglia and Annie Sprinkle discussing and advocating women’s sexual desires, a topic that remained a subversive concept for decades to come.

In 1992, Madonna’s artistic exploration of her own horniness was brought to the mainstream with the release of her coffee table book, “Sex,” and her album “Erotica.” Both efforts were, at the time, received with vitriol by critics who believed she had “gone too far,” but are considered today as misunderstood masterpieces.

The market for vibrators is a fast and dirty way to grasp the glacial pace of progress in this matter. Good Vibrations, the pioneering, women-friendly sex-toy retailer, was founded in San Francisco in 1977.

Twenty years later, vibrator shopping was depicted as a healthy and normal element of female sexuality on an episode of “Sex and the City,” and then another 20 years after that, vibrators became available for sale in Walmart. And yet, despite sex toys for women being stocked and sold in the largest retailer in America, there are still plenty of people who still just don’t get it.

“The narrative, that women don’t get as horny as men, is starting, very slowly, to crack,” Ms. Benoit said. “I think it’s going to take a long time because the bedrock of that belief is still there.”

The age-old misperception that men get horny and women don’t was sharply addressed and debunked in a 2017 episode of “Big Mouth,” Netflix’s animated series about a group of seventh graders navigating their way through puberty. The episode is called “Girls Are Horny Too,” and the revelation promised by the title makes several (male) characters’ heads explode.

Female adolescent sexuality was also explored in the first season of “Pen15,” Hulu’s comedy series about two 13-year-old girls — played by adult women, Maya Erskine and Anna Konkle — in “middle school as it really happened.” In the episode “Ojichan,” Ms. Erskine’s character discovers masturbation and it quickly becomes an obsession that dominates her life.

The contemporary, healthy representations of puberty and horniness in these two shows are, in a way, retroactively healing the scars of shame we have brought with us into adulthood.

This hornier shift in pop-cultural depictions of women has certainly played an important part in both advancing horny’s favor and evolving society’s understanding of female sexuality. ”Fleabag,” Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s critically acclaimed British dramedy, featured a young woman whose strongest character trait — being horny — was decidedly not male.

“Mrs. Fletcher,” the HBO mini-series about a middle-aged woman’s sexual reawakening, showcases a horny mom who can’t stop masturbating to pornography.

These episodes of “Big Mouth” and “Pen15” episodes, and “Fleabag,” were all written by women. Every episode, thus far, of “Mrs. Fletcher” has also been directed by a woman.

There’s an unsubtle distinction in arousal: Erections are visible. Women’s genitalia, for the most part, are hidden, helping to shroud female desire in mystery. Truly, the most reliable way to know if a woman is horny is if she says so. These days, women are doing just that.


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