Pressure to "prove" yourself?
 

I always get nervous making new threads, but here goes...

... do you ever feel like your friends, or people you are around on a daily basis, are constantly pressuring you (whether they're aware of it or not) to "prove" yourself to be a lesbian? For example, I have male friends who basically say they wouldn't believe it unless they see it. A bit frustrating.

Another aspect of this, is... some of my closest friends say they believe I'm bisexual, because I've kissed a guy before. Which is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

Thoughts?

I was married to a man for 15 years.
No one seems to doubt who I am.
And even if they DID, it's none of their damn business.

It's not YOUR friends' business, either. :)

Just my opinion.

If they were truly your friends, it would not matter to them whether you are str8, bi, queer or whatever. Sounds like you may need some new friends...some with more maturity and less perviness.

Oh, I was just wondering if anyone else experiences this at all... haha, I pretty much just wave them off - I think part of it is, my best friend wants to see me with a guy because I've had so many heartbreaks with women, but honestly, me being a lesbian and her being straight is one of the reasons our friendship has lasted nearly eleven years... :lol2:

i am assuming that your friends are young...

its talk for the sake of having something to say... tell them to go fuck themselves and see if that makes them bisexual...

its just words...

you know who you are... you will find out who you will be...

let them eat... cake...

Doesn't matter what a person's sexual orientation is, they don't need to prove it to anyone. Unfortunately there are probably always gonna be people who try to tell you who you are or that will be in denial of what/who you are, especially when it comes to sexual orientation or gender identity where people always seem to think it's a "phase"...but again, it's none of their business.

I think there is a great deal of projection people do when they find out someone ( particularly someone they thought they "knew") turns out to be wired differently than they expect them to be.

The general disbelief often makes them question themselves or other folks close to them and they just can't fathom it. Often the questioning can be a good thing, but often it can go very wrong and they turn on you.

Then again, there are a lot of "spaghetti lesbians" around "straight until wet", so a lot of folks do just think it's a trend or something being experimented with.

For me, I choose my friends very carefully and I choose very few. I choose not to hang out with and/or invest time in folks who are so small minded as to not be able to see beyond their personal truths. My truth may be different. It does not make theirs wrong ( unless it's just plain wrong..lol). It does make me aware of where and with whom I wish to develop lasting friendships.

Good luck! (f)

Great idea!!!!! I'm gonna start making "official" lesbian ID cards. Rainbow included. Maybe throw in a little how to manual....

Seriously though, you don't fit the "look" so it's hard for some people to understand. They just can't quite grasp the concept and probably never will completely.

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Hey Kobi,
A "spahetti lesbian" is a new term I just heard that jokingly refers to the trendy experimental sexual tourism of lesbianism. Roughly, it means "straight until WET".
I can laugh at it and the irony of the person who made me aware of this phrase, as soon after she was calling someone a spaghetti lesbian, she slept with a guy telling her gf that she was away visiting her sick father. Made me wonder if that makes her a "Bovine hetero" "straight when horny" ??
It is yet another off the cuff slang term ( cause lord knows we don't have nearly enough labels) for primarily hetero women who have sex with women when drunk.

spaghetti lesbian...lol
 

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heat it up...get it wet...all the same...lol ;)

I've been talking a lot with friends about just saying I'm Queer. Not to say that I'm not a Lesbian and not to say I'm not Femme. Rather, it is to stand in the truth, i.e. that I live outside of the mainstream gender ID/sexuality/gender role dichotomy.

My fabulous daughter, who although not a Lesbian despite have a Lesbian & Gay Man as bio parents, did introduce me to a new concept that shook up my brain for a couple of days. We were talking about folks who are Bi vs. those who are hetero but could be sexual with someone else of their same gender/sex. She called such folks "hetero-flexible". Then we talked about Gay men & Lesbians who could be sexual with a woman or man respectively, on a rare occasion, as being "homo-flexible". Different than being Bi because the flex folks are really hetero, Gay or Lesbian. Then we talked about folks who are Gayley Bi. Meaning Bi but leaning toward more involvements with a person of their same gender/sex.

My daughter does ID as Bi, and has been married to my son-in-law forever. They became involved with another male & female married couple almost 2 yrs. ago. Very tight poly relationship now. My son-in-law ID's as hetero-flexible. LOL!

I decided, finally, that it is all getting too complicated, really. Just claiming Queer kind of covers all of us who not hetero. At least to my way of thinking it does.

I can't let it be my problem if folks I know can't get it about me, i.e. how could a woman who is so Femme be a Lesbian? 'Cause truth is, I'm not going to have such folks in my closest circle anyway, so it really doesn't matter.

I dealt with this with friends when I was younger. I didnt fit the typical lesbian mold they expected. My family stopped long ago but my friends, especially my single wild party girl friends wanted me to chase boys with them. It finally became clear i wasn't confused and my consistent behavior set the pace.

there is heartbreak in all relationships. Maybe focus on finding and having positive relationships and that will set an example.

I was thinking about this subject, again today whilst giving myself a pedicure and then a manicure. I realized that I have already been just saying I'm Queer, if someone asks.

Thinking back, it seems I really stated to claim Queer back in October. I did so in response to a 20 something Bi guy who was flirting with me. He was being very playful about it, not obnoxious in any way, but after a while I just got tired of dealing with it. So, I finally told him that although I was truly and deeply flattered by his interest, he could save his breath because, "I'm Queer and I'm not into men."

His response was, "Really? You don't look Queer. No wait a minute... I don't know. Since I've moved out here to Hollywood, I never know who is what anymore. Sorry, I didn't mean to offend you."

All I could do is laugh, really. He did looked quite flummoxed. I then informed him that yes I do look Queer because I am Queer. I am a Femme Lesbian, therefore, I look like a Lesbian:-) He didn't really understand what I was stalking about at first regarding Femme. I had to explain it to him. There wasn't any issue or problem, he was just under-informed.

It really is about busting the stereotypes held about Lesbians and Gay Men, I think.

for me? not so much. but, i've never been very feminine.

i think people tend to mostly see the world through the filter of their own experience. if they are straight or bi, that's going to be the baseline they work from. anything outside that is going to be an anomaly.

your guy friends apparently find you feminine and attractive enough that they want "proof" before they're willing to remove you from the list of possibilities. even if you gave them that proof, they most likely wouldn't take you off the list anyway. guys do tend to be optimistic like that.

over the years, i've found that being true to myself weeds out the folks who can't deal. you always have the option to tell them to put a lid on it or get lost. you also have the option to distance yourself from people who bring bullshit into your life or don't bring anything to the table besides their desire to bed you.

people are crazy. :)

Well, for example, I have developed emotional feelings for a guy friend of mine that I have known for six years.

However, I'm not sexually attracted to him in any way, and would never have a relationship with him. I don't see my feelings developing further, either.

I'm completely gay. *shrug* These things just happen, I guess.

I have had some very tough conversations about "queer." think that this has mostly been due to generational interpretations. Queer to someone in my generation or older always brings up it meaning gay men, only. Yikes! And it is amazing how often I can still run into people that just can't (or won't) see a woman as lesbian if she is "feminine."

Yes, bust those stereotypes!

I pretty much "look straight." At least, according to everyone I know, haha. It's frustrating because sometimes I contemplate hacking my hair off - not that I'd really do it, because I've been growing my hair out way too long to ruin it - but just the fact that it would make a difference is kind of ridiculous :rolleyes:

Yes! It's stupid and backwards.. I'm a femme and no one ever thinks I'm a lesbian. They think it's hard to believe. I end up doing silly and obvious things like wearing rainbows. I don't get noticed by girls, and I'm kinda shy so that sucks!

I can identify with this. I have a rainbow necklace myself. lol! This is sometimes why online dating is so much easier. Still, I get those "you're a lesbian" comments. Well, no I identify as queer but yeah, I'm queer. It's very annoying and condescending especially if some biological man thinks you just haven't met the right one yet.

Yes! Well put. They think that if they can get us in bed they can prove to us that it's really a man we want. Like, they don't realize how ridiculous that sounds!? Persistent little buggers too haha

Guys
 

Pretty much every straight male friend I've had ends up trying to get with me. I thought that they would you know, leave it alone once I told them I'm gay, but nah, In fact, a guy that was my best friend for a time actually tried to persuade me that I was in love with him even though I'm a lesbian. :seeingstars: Like what!? He was all "Don't think of me as a male, just think of me as a person" and he was convinced that it meant I was in love with him because I blushed when he was telling me that he loved me. That took a toll on our friendship needless to say.

I've never been Asked to prove myself, however I've been postured in real life by someone that ID'd as male and it just left me peeved. Oh come on now what was that, high school, grade school, jeebus. What in the heck? lol
I don't posture back and forth and don't feel the need to prove my butchness to anyone that ID's differently than I do; let alone as a lesbian to my lesbian friends.

Proving my self has been and issue for a long time,I don't think I need to do that one bit but it seems like I end up doing it anyway even when I don't expect it.
Not long age I was playing a game of 8 ball one of the players on my team said,dam you play just like a man.I just said whatever then wen't on with the game.I offen have the same person holler at the break,break the wrack like a man damit.I just ignore it cause it dosent make me one way or the other.Ignorance is bliss for some people.

I don't really get it from my friends, cos they're all queer lol XD but I have definitely experienced the incredulity and disbelief...

... I have been discussing elsewhere with others the last few months about how homophobia makes a life of 100% homosexual or same gender attracted behaviour basically impossible. A lot of women will have at least some experiences with a man because of societal pressure not to be gay. Homophobic people will often cite this as 'proof' homosexuality is just a phase when actually it's because the pressure and stigma and difficulty of being gay can be too much to deal with. Internalised homophobia can also be a factor, a very painful one. The whole world around us is telling us the way we love is wrong, unhealthy, gross, sick... I know I have been with men in the past when it just felt easier and I know others looked at that and were like "AH HAH! SHE'S NOT A REAL LEZZO AFTER ALL! JUST A STRAIGHTIE!" they could never understand. I feel like the world at large is often WAITING for us to "end up" with a man and has a grossly simplistic, shallow comprehension of the vast and varying ways homophobia and misogyny can intersect with our desires and dating practices and such.


I actually have a stalker at the moment (long story) who is continuously attacking my sexuality claiming I am a 'pretendbian' for 'social cred'. I find this incredibly upsetting, especially as my entire adult life has been spent as an active member of the queer community and in relationships with women but she is using the couple of times I have been with men (incl trans men) as 'proof' the rest is a sham... (incidentally this woman up until the last year claimed to be 100% straight and not interested in women at all)... it is again a toxic example of the kind of sexuality policing women are subjected to that doesn't take into account our environment and what kind of attitudes we are inured in... (after all some women never ever get the chance to come out and spend their whole lives in relationships with men... that's the impacts of homophobia...) and how we negotiate that and attempt to deal with it. I have PTSD and as a consequence have been very sexually dysfunctional for a couple of years and something this onslaught of hers has made me afraid of is of pushing myself into situations I'm not ready for or am not comfortable with in order to 'prove' something. It is so toxic and evil.

Homophobia has so much to answer for.

I'm truly confident in who I am, and am the architect of my life. I truly don't care how others feel about myself. My inner knowing of myself is what's important, I know my truths and live by them.

Deborah

I've never had to prove myself to anybody nor would i. Explain myself, now that's a whole 'nother matter...

I don't feel pressure to "prove" myself as it were, but being femme, I'm definitely not visible. Nobody would guess I'm a lesbian.