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EnderD_503 04-22-2011 05:22 PM

When Is It Going to Stop?
 
I know there is a thread already for remembering trans people lost to violence, but I really thought this deserved its own thread. Trans people are still systematically discriminated against, beaten, harrassed and killed and it seems all some people can do is sit back and laugh or act like trans people are overreacting.

The below link is to a video of a transwoman being brutally beaten by a group of women at a McDonald's in Baltimore. The video is really disturbing and I had trouble watching it all the way through, so consider yourself warned.

What's so horrible is that only the McDonald's manager and an elderly woman tried to stop the group of women from beating this transwoman. Other employees stood back and watched, laughing while filming the scene on their cellphones. What the fuck kind of idiot does that? A person is being assaulted in front of you by a group of people and you sit back and laugh, trying to catch it on film? They're lying there bleeding and you do nothing? When is this shit going to stop?

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/04/tran..._mcdonalds.php

atomiczombie 04-22-2011 05:44 PM

This type of behavior is so sickening. I want to vomit after watching that, and I didn't finish all the way through it.

The gay and lesbian community has people like Ellen, Elton John, and Barney Frank to name just a few people who are out and proud in the public sphere. I cannot think of anyone besides Chaz Bono who has that kind of presence in public life to put a face to our diverse community. If people don't know who we are they are much more likely to feel comfortable treating us like dirt.

We need to stand up for ourselves and for trans allies to stand up for us too, and together, let people know that this won't be tolerated or swept under the rug.

For those of you reading this who aren't trans identified, will YOU stand with us to fight this hate?

princessbelle 04-22-2011 05:49 PM

It's good you brought attention to this IMO. *We* need to at least hear about these things. I, myself, can't watch this but reading about it is a wake up reminder that all is not well in the world...far from it.

I as many would not stand and watch. It is good to remind ourselves if we ever do get in that situation to act. It is shocking and i'm sure you get stunned a bit. But, knowing it goes on and thinking about situations will give us an edge to do something. I'm not a strong person...but I'd certainly go down fighting if i saw ANYONE being attacked ....especially witnessing something like this.

Thanks for posting.....

Scorp 04-22-2011 06:08 PM

I watched it through. This may make me NO better than those two fuckers who did this to that woman with what I'm about to say. My blood was boiling, I don't give a royal fuck if the person getting beat up was male, female, trans, gay, straight, bi, purple, green, etc.....NO ONE deserves to be treated that way EVER!!!! This pissed me the fuck off so bad that if I had those two fucks in front of me I would have went ballistic on them physically and mentally. I sure the fuck would have smacked the shit out of those two bitches for doing that to a living soul. (and yes, I'm using that "B" word that some may think is inappropriate) If so, then go right ahead and REPORT ME and/or Time Me Out. How dare anyone lay a hand on ANYONE especially in a barbaric way like this. I sure the fuck would have stepped in and done something about it without having to even give it a thought.

And yes, moreso, the fucker recording this with his cell phone should also get penalized for this. Did you see the older woman go over and try to break this up?? Good for her for getting involved. Anyone else who sat by and watched this should be ashamed of themselves. What the fuck is wrong with people????? Nice fuckin' world huh?

This sort of thing just sends me over the edge and I'm beyond pissed off right now.

Luv 04-22-2011 06:25 PM

I wrote an e-mail to McDonalds and attached the video to the e-mail

Liam 04-22-2011 06:30 PM

Violence has become entertainment for many people. Sad, but true.

wolfbittenpoet 04-22-2011 06:57 PM

We are romans laughing at the despair of others without the bread. You've gotta wonder if this is why civilizations fall. When people become so disillusioned or perhaps so desensitized to violence that most people will not step in, humanity falls another step down. It's beyond upsetting. These morons have allowed themselves to dehumanize someone simply because they are different. This may not make sense to some but you have to wonder who really is commiting the worse crime. The morons who tried to kill the poor woman or the punk who filmed it all for a laugh.

The_Lady_Snow 04-22-2011 09:23 PM

Bump.....,

Jesse 04-22-2011 09:27 PM

...and people wonder why I dislike being outed?

Spork 04-22-2011 09:36 PM

I thought, at first, people are warning about this video (here and in the comments on that website), I shouldn't watch it. But, words cannot describe brutality. So, I watched it.

This HAS to be seen.

We cannot cross our arms, and look elsewhere.

Those people are evil. EVIL. Reminds me of the recent thread about knowing psychopaths. These people are all psychopaths.

Laughing and filming her while she was having a seizure, from all the kicks and punches to her head. Seeing that elder woman nearly throwing herself on top of her, to try and protect her. She almost got beaten, too. The manager doing nothing! Half-heartedly telling the women to stop their attacks. Looking at the woman while she was having a seizure, and just walking away.

Watch the video. Do not turn your back on her, like these... non-people did.

scootebaby 04-22-2011 09:55 PM

i dont know whether to cry or be angry or both..this just totally blew my mind. I can not believe all those people just stood around,and that managers behavior was even worse. Everyone of those employees should be fired, AND charged. I tried to figure out how to email the company,but my lack of knowledge on these things prevented me from figuring it out. My heart goes out to this woman!

DapperButch 04-22-2011 10:19 PM

This place is within driving distance for me. If anyone hears of any events to raise awareness at this location please post it up/PM me.

Thanks.

ETA: Article in local paper mentioned in article: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,4613709.story

DapperButch 04-22-2011 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 325405)
This place is within driving distance for me. If anyone hears of any events to raise awareness at this location please post it up/PM me.

Thanks.

ETA: Article in local paper mentioned in article: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,4613709.story


Additional note: This incident appears to have occured in Baltimore County, MD, not Baltimore, MD.

AtLast 04-22-2011 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YouForgotTheSpoon (Post 325388)
I thought, at first, people are warning about this video (here and in the comments on that website), I shouldn't watch it. But, words cannot describe brutality. So, I watched it.

This HAS to be seen.

We cannot cross our arms, and look elsewhere.

Those people are evil. EVIL. Reminds me of the recent thread about knowing psychopaths. These people are all psychopaths.

Laughing and filming her while she was having a seizure, from all the kicks and punches to her head. Seeing that elder woman nearly throwing herself on top of her, to try and protect her. She almost got beaten, too. The manager doing nothing! Half-heartedly telling the women to stop their attacks. Looking at the woman while she was having a seizure, and just walking away.

Watch the video. Do not turn your back on her, like these... non-people did.

No, we cannot remain idle. The video was really difficult to watch, really difficult. It is everywhere- and it does have to stop. For transpeople and everyone else that society can't or won't understand.

Just last week another transwoman was attacked in SF. Freakin' SF!! As a butch, I won't ride rapid transit here in the East Bay alone at night.

Assaults againt transwomen and men and all gender variant people has to be addressed in solidarity among the entire LGBTIQ community- ALL organizations representing us need to join forces and be LOUD with outrage and clear about not taking this!

We live in a society in which this goes on as well as things like the gang rape of a 16 year old girl at her HS prom here in CA as up to 30 other teens watched and did NOTHING!!!

Luv 04-23-2011 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scootebaby (Post 325401)
i dont know whether to cry or be angry or both..this just totally blew my mind. I can not believe all those people just stood around,and that managers behavior was even worse. Everyone of those employees should be fired, AND charged. I tried to figure out how to email the company,but my lack of knowledge on these things prevented me from figuring it out. My heart goes out to this woman!

They have an area on their website under social responsibilities that u can send en email to..Id love to see them get thousands of emails.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en/conta...nsibility.html

Soft*Silver 04-23-2011 02:28 AM

My submissive is a CIS male, who has felt he was a woman all of his life. He had barely heard of the term FtM until I came along. He has since enjoyed the plethera of richness of the trans community I have been able to introduce him to and I cannot wait to bring him to some social events locally. While he is considering becoming a FtM, right now he is still using the pronoun he. His name is Chrissy.

Chrissy has engaged in FemDom lifestyles in the heterosexual world, where he as the feminine man is submissive to the dominant female. There is always a twist of humilation to it because the male is feminized. In our Ds, there is no humiliation. He gets to be who he is, a submissive female serving his Dominant Mistress. He is living his life as female, in a lesbian relationship, in a Ds submissive role. He is in his glory. But outside of this world we create, we both know the dangers,..

Chrissy has witnessed brutality like that video. At the moment he has not stated he himself has been subjected to it He is above six foot tall and is built like a bear. His size is intimidating. This does not make it impossible for an attack to happen but people tend to pick on those who are easier targets. That wouldnt stop a group from targeting him, like that group targeted that girl in that McDonalds restaurant.

It made me sick to watch everyone watching. And laughing. And how the attack kept evolving and continuing. And she seized! And no one cared to administer any medical help! They drug her by her hair!

I am not in a romantic relationship with Chrissy but by god I love him. He serves me well and never have I experienced the deepest intimacy with another person as I have with him when we are engaged in our play. What he brings to me and offers to me is such a gift...that I would kill, literally kill someone if they tried to harm a hair upon his head.

this wickedness must stop. this hatred must stop. I have always been an advocate for trans rights. I shall be so even more now...

girl_dee 04-23-2011 06:40 AM

This has not much to do with our interpersonal relationships but everything to do with mankind. I chose not to watch the video after reading the details posted about it. I don't need to see horror to believe it.

This is not exclusive to transgendered folks, unfortunately. ANYone who stands out as different is a target. Sometimes it does not take that much. It breaks my heart that this happens in this day and age to people in our queer community.

Sadly this sort of thing will keep people in the closet.


EnderD_503 04-23-2011 07:36 AM

Thanks for the responses, folks. This truly is horrific, and from what I just read this morning it seems this woman's rights might get trampled on again because the law is not suited to protect her.

The transwoman has not been named at this point, but Equality Maryland has apparently confirmed that yes, she was a 22 year old transgender woman. Two arrests have been made thus far of an 18 year old woman and a 14 year old girl.

And then the story just goes downhill. Apparently recently the state of Maryland refused to pass a bill that would allow trans people to use the appropriate washroom. The attack apparently occurred over the use of the McDonald's bathroom, and the article speculates that the case will be dismissed because she won't be seen a as a woman trying to use the women's washroom, but as a man. If they dismiss this case they're pretty much giving the green light to any asshole to go beat up a trans person and get away with it. There is no excuse for assaulting someone like this.

Quote:

If this is a case of a 22 year old man entering a bathroom while a 14 year old girl was using it – get ready for a legal showdown. Any sleazeball criminal defense attorney will have enough facts to argue for a dismissal. I am sure the two girls have already been called by attorneys willing to take the case pro bono, trying to make a name. LGBT rights will spend more time on trial during this soon to be circus than the girls will. Still all must agree the assault without a doubt is heinous.
http://www.tmrzoo.com/2011/24106

If a state is not going to allow laws protecting trans people as far as which bathroom they can use, then it at least needs to address the issue of...which fucking bathroom is it safe to use? Make more gender neutral washrooms if you're not going to protect people's basic right to use a washroom. This could have just as well have happened had this woman tried to use the men's bathroom. What is she supposed to do?

Just last week or the week before there was a rally by the SanFran lgbt community over the beating over another transwoman, and I hope this brutality brings people out to speak out against it in the same way. There needs to be a way for the entire community of lgbt folks everywhere to come together against this kind of violence, and put up a fight to end this kind of violence.

And I agree, this is a problem that faces the entire lgbt community and all gender variant people.

weatherboi 04-23-2011 07:51 AM

Ms and i both called McDonalds last night. They have already sent a team of corporate investigators to the location to try and evaluate what happened and to evaluate the needs of the person that was assaulted. They are encouraging people to call the toll free hot line and comment if they feel the need to do so. They do ask for contact information.

1-800-244-6227
7 days a week
7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. CST

Ms. Tabitha 04-23-2011 08:01 AM

Another article:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/upda...beating-video/

also:

McDonald's Employee Took Credit For Filming Brutal Beating In Baltimore Fast Food Joint

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...medium=twitter

:praying:

Mister Bent 04-23-2011 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sassy_girl (Post 325485)
This has not much to do with our interpersonal relationships but everything to do with mankind. I chose not to watch the video after reading the details posted about it. I don't need to see horror to believe it.

This is not exclusive to transgendered folks, unfortunately. ANYone who stands out as different is a target. Sometimes it does not take that much. It breaks my heart that this happens in this day and age to people in our queer community.

Sadly this sort of thing will keep people in the closet.




While I agree that attacks like these may keep some in the closet, it also speaks to the strength of those before us - and today - who won't hide. The only way our civilization will evolve is through necessity, which can only come through the constant and persistent presence of transpeople.

Sometimes it's scary as shit. Some of us will be hurt, some will lose their lives. So when will it end? It won't. Racially motivated crimes are still being perpetuated against people who have been fighting the battle of acceptance and integration longer than transpeople, so why should we think it will end anytime soon?

Once, I was confronted on the subway by two men. The situation became heated, and one of them tried to intimidate me by getting in my space, pushing his chest at me and threatening me. I told him to bring it, because if he was going to threaten to kill me and if he touched me, then he better be sure to kill me, because I was sure enough going to try to kill him. Maybe it was foolish of me, but in that moment, I believed it was all I had and he did back off. There may be a time I won't be that fortunate, but on that day, I was willing to face whatever came as a result of living true to myself. I can't imagine any other way to be.

I understand there are some situations and places too dangerous to be "out," but we won't be accepted if we hide. When we hide, we let those who think we are "wrong" win.


EnderD_503 04-23-2011 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ms. Tabitha (Post 325516)
Another article:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/upda...beating-video/

also:

McDonald's Employee Took Credit For Filming Brutal Beating In Baltimore Fast Food Joint

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...medium=twitter

:praying:

Wow, that last article especially is really upsetting.

Quote:

As seen above, in a Facebook posting, Hackett contended that the woman seen getting beaten in the video was actually a man "dressed lik a woman" who got into a confrontation with female patrons when he refused to leave the women’s bathroom at the Baltimore-area eatery. Hackett claimed that the victim faked a seizure and, when cops arrived at the restaurant, “he got right up.”
Quote:

He wasn't transgendered He Was A Man Dressed Lik A Woman....He Still Had His Male Parts.
And ignorance very obviously came into play here. She wasn't trans because she still had her "male parts" (how does he even know that?)? Really? So transwomen who haven't been able to afford SRS aren't trans now? Geez, ain't that great. I'm glad we have this genius around to tell us who is and isn't trans.

And I think the fact that this was transphobia is pretty blatant in the language used. Throughout the attack the attackers keep calling her "a bitch" and other similar words. Why would they have called her that if they truly thought she was just a "man" trying to get into the women's washroom. I also question whether she would have been attacked so viciously if they truly thought she was a man trying to harrass them in the washroom. She was barely fighting back, and either way you don't continue to beat the crap out of someone who can't even fight back. Whether they admit it or not they attacked her because they knew they could, they knew she was vulnerable and probably because they thought she was a "freak." People probably stood back and watched for the same damn reason.

girl_dee 04-23-2011 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Bent (Post 325518)


While I agree that attacks like these may keep some in the closet, it also speaks to the strength of those before us - and today - who won't hide. The only way our civilization will evolve is through necessity, which can only come through the constant and persistent presence of transpeople.

Sometimes it's scary as shit. Some of us will be hurt, some will lose their lives. So when will it end? It won't. Racially motivated crimes are still being perpetuated against people who have been fighting the battle of acceptance and integration longer than transpeople, so why should we think it will end anytime soon?

Once, I was confronted on the subway by two men. The situation became heated, and one of them tried to intimidate me by getting in my space, pushing his chest at me and threatening me. I told him to bring it, because if he was going to threaten to kill me and if he touched me, then he better be sure to kill me, because I was sure enough going to try to kill him. Maybe it was foolish of me, but in that moment, I believed it was all I had and he did back off. There may be a time I won't be that fortunate, but on that day, I was willing to face whatever came as a result of living true to myself. I can't imagine any other way to be.

I understand there are some situations and places too dangerous to be "out," but we won't be accepted if we hide. When we hide, we let those who think we are "wrong" win.



I should have finished my thought, which was that if we DO allow this to keep us hidden, (I don't even like using "us" here because I am not TG and have no idea what struggles they have first hand, but I do have empathy in this situation) they keep the power. This video should be enough to cause outrage. It will keep some people hidden, but I hope it doesn't!

I don't believe in giving attention to negative attention (Churches who gay bash, for example) but I believe when it is this extreme it needs to exposed to everyone.

DapperButch 04-23-2011 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325506)

If a state is not going to allow laws protecting trans people as far as which bathroom they can use, then it at least needs to address the issue of...which fucking bathroom is it safe to use? Make more gender neutral washrooms if you're not going to protect people's basic right to use a washroom. This could have just as well have happened had this woman tried to use the men's bathroom. What is she supposed to do?

Unfortunately, in Maryland, the answer is "be the male you are and use the men's room And look like a guy if you don't want to get beat up there."

weatherboi 04-23-2011 09:40 AM

petition
 
http://www.change.org/petitions/dema...-a-trans-woman

Dreams 04-23-2011 09:42 AM

http://www.change.org/petitions/dema...-a-trans-woman

please consider signing..

EnderD_503 04-23-2011 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 325591)
Unfortunately, in Maryland, the answer is "be the male you are and use the men's room And look like a guy if you don't want to get beat up there."

I truly hope this events helps open their eyes. I want to see how this case unfolds, because surely they cannot dimiss this. They surely can't deny that this was an assault inspired by hatred or that something needs to be done to protect trans people.

@weatherboi and Dreams, thanks for linking us to the petition. I've signed it and passed it on. I hope everyone does the same!

DapperButch 04-23-2011 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 325591)
Unfortunately, in Maryland, the answer is "be the male you are and use the men's room And look like a guy if you don't want to get beat up there."

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325652)
I truly hope this events helps open their eyes. I want to see how this case unfolds, because surely they cannot dimiss this. They surely can't deny that this was an assault inspired by hatred or that something needs to be done to protect trans people.

@weatherboi and Dreams, thanks for linking us to the petition. I've signed it and passed it on. I hope everyone does the same!


That would certainly be fantastic, Ender, but I don't hold out much hope.

This just happened in February in Baltimore:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news...ruggled_f.html

Soft*Silver 04-23-2011 01:43 PM

My apologies...I used the wrong term. My sub is considering MtF, not FtM...jeezh you would think I would not mix this up...

EnderD_503 04-23-2011 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DapperButch (Post 325693)
That would certainly be fantastic, Ender, but I don't hold out much hope.

This just happened in February in Baltimore:

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news...ruggled_f.html

Thanks for sharing the article, Dapper. This happens far too often. One thing that I hoped would spark change in this case is that it was caught on tape and happened in front of a number of witnesses who did nothing. I don't know why I thought that would make a difference, but I thought if they could actually see the brutality many transwomen face for themselves they would finally understand how badly transfolks need legal protection.

One thing I noticed with the article about Tyra as well as Crissy (and in articles on other transwomen who have been beaten or murdered) is that the reporters always see fit to include criminal records that include prostitution as well as charges related to poverty and prostitution. Why is this relevant to their deaths? Are the reporters implying that it is relevant? The sad reality for many transwomen is that their circumstances force them into sex work that often puts them in situations where they might suffer even more abuse. Those writing about their abuse and/or murder should take that into consideration when they start revealing these things to the public.

WingsOnFire 04-23-2011 02:42 PM

I had to find the strength to watch this video. There is strength in numbers and by not watching it and not responding I am part of the silence. I cant be that. So I watched it. And I emailed McDonalds. Here was my comments.


"I am shocked and saddened by the horror that was inflicted on the woman in Baltimore County MD. There is no excuse for the inability for the employees to act quickly to protect this woman. It doesn't matter what your employees thought of a trans-gendered person. She was a human being! I cant imagine someone watching an animal be treated this way let alone a human being.

I am appalled that your employees. Yes, YOUR employees were cruel enough to laugh and record her torture. To the point that she went into a seizure and they still laughed at her. This is 2011 not 1960. I really hope that McDonald's does the right thing and fires each of the employees that were there that night that did nothing to help. It is a shame that they had to have an elderly patron come to her defense instead of your own employees.

I visit McDonald's every day, sometimes twice a day. I will be hard put to visit again if the right thing is not done in this case. This human being deserved to be treated better, deserved to be protected in a place that also has the sign of "Safe House" on their walls. This person was not safe. Your employees were just as guilty as the patrons who beat her.

Oh, by the way, this patron who spends at least $150 - $200 A month at your establishments is engaged to a trans male. So yes I am appalled."

BullDog 04-23-2011 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325544)
Wow, that last article especially is really upsetting.





And ignorance very obviously came into play here. She wasn't trans because she still had her "male parts" (how does he even know that?)? Really? So transwomen who haven't been able to afford SRS aren't trans now? Geez, ain't that great. I'm glad we have this genius around to tell us who is and isn't trans.

And I think the fact that this was transphobia is pretty blatant in the language used. Throughout the attack the attackers keep calling her "a bitch" and other similar words. Why would they have called her that if they truly thought she was just a "man" trying to get into the women's washroom. I also question whether she would have been attacked so viciously if they truly thought she was a man trying to harrass them in the washroom. She was barely fighting back, and either way you don't continue to beat the crap out of someone who can't even fight back. Whether they admit it or not they attacked her because they knew they could, they knew she was vulnerable and probably because they thought she was a "freak." People probably stood back and watched for the same damn reason.

Calling her a bitch, etc- it is misogyny and sexism in addition to transphobia. Every time I hear about a transwoman (and almost always transmen as well) being denigrated it is full of not only transphobic language but language that denigrates women as well. Transwomen are denied being seen as women or taken seriously as women, but at the same time subjected to the worst sexism and misogyny imaginable.

AtLast 04-23-2011 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325726)
Thanks for sharing the article, Dapper. This happens far too often. One thing that I hoped would spark change in this case is that it was caught on tape and happened in front of a number of witnesses who did nothing. I don't know why I thought that would make a difference, but I thought if they could actually see the brutality many transwomen face for themselves they would finally understand how badly transfolks need legal protection.

One thing I noticed with the article about Tyra as well as Crissy (and in articles on other transwomen who have been beaten or murdered) is that the reporters always see fit to include criminal records that include prostitution as well as charges related to poverty and prostitution. Why is this relevant to their deaths? Are the reporters implying that it is relevant? The sad reality for many transwomen is that their circumstances force them into sex work that often puts them in situations where they might suffer even more abuse. Those writing about their abuse and/or murder should take that into consideration when they start revealing these things to the public.

This has been the case for women in general forever. Transwomen are certainly among the highest populations to be assaulted and killed within gender variant groups, yet, so much comes down to misogyny.

I am also thinking about transmen that have been assaulted because they arn't real men.

As the season of many Pride events is upon us, I hope there is more awareness of these kinds of hate crimes promoted. We all need to make a lot more noise about these crimes.

Daywalker 04-23-2011 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325220)
I know there is a thread already for remembering trans people lost to violence, but I really thought this deserved its own thread. Trans people are still systematically discriminated against, beaten, harrassed and killed and it seems all some people can do is sit back and laugh or act like trans people are overreacting.

The below link is to a video of a transwoman being brutally beaten by a group of women at a McDonald's in Baltimore. The video is really disturbing and I had trouble watching it all the way through, so consider yourself warned.

What's so horrible is that only the McDonald's manager and an elderly woman tried to stop the group of women from beating this transwoman. Other employees stood back and watched, laughing while filming the scene on their cellphones. What the fuck kind of idiot does that? A person is being assaulted in front of you by a group of people and you sit back and laugh, trying to catch it on film? They're lying there bleeding and you do nothing? When is this shit going to stop?

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/04/tran..._mcdonalds.php


This is disgusting on so many levels it needs a spread sheet.
(w)
It is devasting to me that 911 was not the first thing on anyone's mind.

:help:



It is the deliberate intentions behind every kick she received that ultimately
scars the longest, those kind of bruises will break you from the inside out.

(w)
The bravery of the woman, who could be anyones gramma...stepping in
and risking her life...to me is a failing statistic across the World.

:|

Makes me wonder why...about a lot of things.

:sadangel:
I don't have the answer to changing the mentality nor teachings that go
on generation after generation, but I try to keep a groovy dream that the
more we all teach and do the right thing, the better things have
a chance to be for every Human Being.
:reader:

:daywalker:

EnderD_503 04-23-2011 04:31 PM

A lot of ridiculous shit is being said in the media now. The article below is picking up on a trend in some media sources and blogs talking about this being a "racially motivated" hate crime. I am literally fuming right now and here is why (and posted this in the comments in site below as well):

a) calling this anything else than transphobia and even neglecting to call it transphobia (ie. "racially motivated") seems like they are covering up the severity and brutal reality of transphobia. b) it attempts to pit marginalized group against marginalized group instead of looking at it as cisgender women (or in other cases, cis people in general) assaulting a trans person solely because they are trans.

When is mainstream society going to take a good hard look at transphobia? It doesn't help that half of them don't even know what being transgender means. Homophobia is a term recognised in the mainstream, and I wish transphobia carried the same status as far as awareness of existence. The lack of awareness renders many transfolks invisible in these cases.

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/04/mcdo...ied_camera.php

But I am heartened by the fact that the petition going around has jumped from 4000 to 10,000 signatures in a matter of hours. When I read the comments on the petition I am both heartened and made aware of how much work there is to be done in educating people. I'm glad that many are appalled by the violence this transwoman faced at the hands of those two girls. But many seem to think transwoman = gay man in stereotypical female clothing. That needs to change. Their heart seems to be in the right place though.

Also, the "cameraman" has been fired, which I'm happy to hear. I think he should face charges, though, considering he was egging the girls on, telling them to leave before the police came and generally acting like this woman deserved to be assaulted.

EnderD_503 04-23-2011 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daywalker (Post 325776)
(w)
The bravery of the woman, who could be anyones gramma...stepping in
and risking her life...to me is a failing statistic across the World.

I agree, this woman was very brave for stepping in the way she did. I read that apparently she was also punched in the face as well when she first tried to step in. Authorities noticed that she had a lot of redness around one eye congruent with being struck. It's sad that someone who tries to defend another person in trouble is assaulted for wanting to defend them. This whole story is so wrong on so many levels.

Daywalker 04-23-2011 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325779)
A lot of ridiculous shit is being said in the media now. The article below is picking up on a trend in some media sources and blogs talking about this being a "racially motivated" hate crime. I am literally fuming right now and here is why (and posted this in the comments in site below as well):

a) calling this anything else than transphobia and even neglecting to call it transphobia (ie. "racially motivated") seems like they are covering up the severity and brutal reality of transphobia. b) it attempts to pit marginalized group against marginalized group instead of looking at it as cisgender women (or in other cases, cis people in general) assaulting a trans person solely because they are trans.

When is mainstream society going to take a good hard look at transphobia? It doesn't help that half of them don't even know what being transgender means. Homophobia is a term recognised in the mainstream, and I wish transphobia carried the same status as far as awareness of existence. The lack of awareness renders many transfolks invisible in these cases.

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/04/mcdo...ied_camera.php

But I am heartened by the fact that the petition going around has jumped from 4000 to 10,000 signatures in a matter of hours. When I read the comments on the petition I am both heartened and made aware of how much work there is to be done in educating people. I'm glad that many are appalled by the violence this transwoman faced at the hands of those two girls. But many seem to think transwoman = gay man in stereotypical female clothing. That needs to change. Their heart seems to be in the right place though.

Also, the "cameraman" has been fired, which I'm happy to hear. I think he should face charges, though, considering he was egging the girls on, telling them to leave before the police came and generally acting like this woman deserved to be assaulted.

And I don't want to simplify this in the least ~ but my thought is, if I was
looking for racially motivated in this crime, it would quickly occur to me
that the woman who stepped in did not share the same race as the
attackers ~ which seems to me, she too would have sustained
an attack as well, especially since she was the
only one who had the lions heart to
roar back in the whole place.

:candle:

:daywalker:

EnderD_503 04-23-2011 04:52 PM

The victim has commented on the attack and says she's been frightened to leave her home since it happened:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,3336656.story

Quote:

"My record's got nothing to do with what happened in McDonald's," she said. "Anyone in my predicament should not be afraid to walk the streets. They should not have to go into a restaurant and get gawked at and made fun of. They shouldn't be afraid to leave the house. It's just wrong."
and then they go and write this:

Quote:

Polis, who has a criminal record that includes charges of prostitution and property destruction, said she plans to take legal action against the restaurant.
The first part of this sentence has nothing to do with the last. What does having a record have to do with planning to take legal action on someone who assaults you?

@Daywalker, I agree with you. Also, if it was racially motivated I doubt the events would have transpired over the use of a public washroom. If she had simply been a white ciswoman I don't think they would have started randomly assaulting her for being in a public washroom.

Soon 04-23-2011 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325792)
The victim has commented on the attack and says she's been frightened to leave her home since it happened:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...,3336656.story



and then they go and write this:



The first part of this sentence has nothing to do with the last. What does having a record have to do with planning to take legal action on someone who assaults you?

@Daywalker, I agree with you. Also, if it was racially motivated I doubt the events would have transpired over the use of a public washroom. If she had simply been a white ciswoman I don't think they would have started randomly assaulting her for being in a public washroom.


It also reads:

It's not the first time, Polis said, that she's been picked on — physically — because of her sexual preferences. She said she's been subjected to beatings and even sexual assaults.

DapperButch 04-23-2011 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 325779)
A lot of ridiculous shit is being said in the media now. The article below is picking up on a trend in some media sources and blogs talking about this being a "racially motivated" hate crime. I am literally fuming right now and here is why (and posted this in the comments in site below as well):

a) calling this anything else than transphobia and even neglecting to call it transphobia (ie. "racially motivated") seems like they are covering up the severity and brutal reality of transphobia. b) it attempts to pit marginalized group against marginalized group instead of looking at it as cisgender women (or in other cases, cis people in general) assaulting a trans person solely because they are trans.

When is mainstream society going to take a good hard look at transphobia? It doesn't help that half of them don't even know what being transgender means. Homophobia is a term recognised in the mainstream, and I wish transphobia carried the same status as far as awareness of existence. The lack of awareness renders many transfolks invisible in these cases.

http://www.bilerico.com/2011/04/mcdo...ied_camera.php

*SNIP*

Ender, I appreciate you posting updates as they came in.

I noticed in the first article the police said they would "upgrade" (my quotes), it to a hate crime if they found it to be racially motivated. It was said right on the heels of Equality Maryland speaking out (about her being trans...which DOESN'T relate...I remember thinking it strange that they put it in the same paragraph as Equality MD's statement).

In the State of MD hate crimes do not include gender identity. It does include race.

If upgraded to a hate crime the penalities are more severe. I would wonder that if it is upgraded, what is the police's motivation/reason for doing so?

1) because they want the suspects to get a stiffer sentence b/c they care about transpeople?

2) because the people in charge of making that decision are of a different race than African-American and are fueled by there own racism?

3) because it makes the police/state look good to apply the hate crime law?

4) because the police force/state gets something material out of calling it a hate crime (government money, other "bonuses"?)?

Don't know, but I doubt it is number one...


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