I am... and I prefer the term...
 

POLL ATTACHED (but it takes a minute to put up, so hang on!). PLEASE look at ALL choices before choosing. You can only choose one...and there is no "do-overs!"

There has been talk here and there about the term cissexed (and the term cisgendered, but since I am referring to one's sex, I am going to use the term cissexed, exclusively), and if people like the term or don't like the term to refer to themselves or to refer to people who are the opposite of them.

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

So, I am curious and thought I would put up a poll garnering information on the preferences we all have and would like to have an open discussion (going in any and all directions) about the term and our feelings about the use of the term.

Disclaimer(s):

I have separated out transsexed people taking hormones (testosterone, estrogen) from transsexed people not taking hormones because I think it is possible that these two groups could differ in their preference of term, and I would like that reflected in the poll.

I am not going to go into my thinking on that because it could get us off track from what I am hoping this thread becomes about.

I hope people know me well enough to know that I do not regard the non hormone taking transsexed male/female as any less male/female than the hormone taking transsexed male/female.

I am aware that this poll does not include folks who don't identify as butch, femme, or transsexed, but I would be here forever coming up with options. Just pick the closest one in order to participate. One of the terms must resonate with you or you wouldn't be on the site to begin with.

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Personally, as a Transgendered Butch, I have no strong feelings about the term cissexed, but tend to prefer the terms XY male and XX female.

So confusing can't we all just hang out?
 

I'm Snow. Femme-Dyke-Woman?

I would choose femme then. See below.

P.S. I really did the best I could. Please no one dissect/pick apart the poll. Just choose to not participate if you are unhappy with it. :-(

Thank you! :-)

Good question.

Sex - male, female, intersexed, other terms (?)

Transsexed - another term to mean transsexual. Someone who defines/identifies as the opposite sex of their birth sex

Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

Hey, Snow!
 

Hey, Snow. I just saw the title to your post.

Of course everyone can participate in the discussion. I was referring to the poll options in my first response to you.

wiki does a pretty good job

cis-gendered: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisgender

cis-sexual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cissexual , (from urban dictionary) http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...term=cissexual


and this from Pam's House Blend: http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/...goalong-moment



I am not fond of the term cis anything. Don't no why it gets under my skin, but it does.

Thanks for the links, Toughy.

May I am confused... (not picking apart)

But you define: Cissexed - another term to mean cissexual. Someone who defines/identifies with their birth sex.

But then you have Femme/Bio Male - Bio Female

What would the difference be - in the femme category.

If I was born a bio female and I am femme... And I identify with my Bio Birth Sex - then which one am I?

And I am honestly not picking apart.

I had a great conversation with a friend yesterday... About misconceptions of b/f (sexism, etc... what gets us off and not).

I am a Lesbian
I am a Femme
I am a Dyke
I am a Woman

(not in any order - depends on my moment).

BUT - within the confines of your poll, I do not know how to answer.

Femme / Bio Male - Bio Female
Femme / Cissexed
Femme / XX or XY (abhor genetic terms)

Julie

I'm sorry Julie. I should been clearer. The first spot is indicating how you identify, the next one is the term that you prefer when referring to a person who is not transsexual/transsexed.

I will see if I can fix the poll. Thank you.

Side note: Like you and Snow, I identify with more than just the above poll options.

ETA: I am unable to adjust the poll.

However,

Cissexual is an adjective used in the context of gender issues to describe "people who are not transsexual and who have only ever experienced their mental and physical sexes as being aligned".[1] Nikki Sullivan and Samantha Murray characterized the term as "a way of drawing attention to the unmarked norm, against which trans* is identified, in which a person feels that their gender identity matches their body/sex".[2] Wikipedia
So I guess a transgender person may identify with cissexual in the sense that after surgery and hormones they identify with the body and identity they are now?

This really is quite interesting how people relate. . although some of it is confusing to me. BUT, I appreciate the thread and I always learn something new in the b-f community! When people explain how they identify then I understand them more. I respect everyone's identity and how they feel about themselves. Everyone has their reasons why.

I'm a bit confused too about the difference between transgendered and transexed and why there's no transgendered on/not on hormones option.

How exactly do you differentiate between transexed and transgendered and why no hormone option for the latter?

Words

LOL. Man, I wish I could delete this thread now! (or just been more clear, I guess). :seeingstars: Sorry, folks!

I know that the term transgendered is used as an umbrella term, a term in place of transsexual, and a term to describe someone in the "middle". I am using it to describe someone who does not regard themselves as male or female.

Yes, the part of the word that has gender in it does not really fit then, but I don't know what else to use (I have written a thread on this topic on more than one site). I did not use the term third gendered butch b/c gender is man, woman, butch, femme, etc., to me and I was talking about someone between the sexes (male, female).

Good point about the transgendered butch who uses hormones. I myself have considered them, but do not identify as transsexed.

I am using the term transsexed b/c I was under the impression that the trans community was beginning to prefer that term over transSEXUAL.

It was really hard to come up with ways to describe everyone. Unfortunately, I am not able to add/change.

So what if you're gender fluid???

I'm really curious not being a jerky jerk!

Could you define that term for me in the confines of this topic (I want to make sure that i understand what you are asking?) ?

If people are finding the poll confusing, certainly it is not necessary to use.

The main purpose for me was to talk about what folks thought of the term cissexual/cissexed/cisgendered.

I hear some are ok with it and some hate it.

How about we discuss that?

(The reason I put up the poll was that I was curious to see if our identities mattered in our opinions on it. WAY less important)

It really, really fucking is!

Never again!

Gender overlap.

Both male and female.

Now, I am curious as to why in your tags you placed these terms.

bio male, cisgendered, cissexed, transsexed, xy male

Why not the others?

Sorry dude, wasn't trying to make you mad, I'll bow out:):rrose:

I had to delete those because only so many tags are allowed. Since we tend to see more transsexed men at this site versus transsexed women, I figured it would be unlikely those tabs would be looked for.

I do believe I am the FIRST person to get their tags critiqued here!

:dance1:

Not mad, but thank you.

I have no problem when questions come from a genuine place of a desire for understanding. If that is where you were coming from, then it is all good.

And certainly I have no interest in you bowing out.

Getting offline.

If others would like to use this thread they are more than welcome.

Thanks.

I like bio male/female as in biologically born, with no reference to the now.

I don't like cisgendered at all and I have no discernible reason for that.

I also use XX and XY, but written rather than spoken.

I'm just a transmale on hormones. I do not claim any of the other terms as I do not find they describe me well enough.

I'm third gendered and I dislike the term cisgender. The wikipedia definition: "Cisgender (or cisgendered) is an adjective used in the context of gender issues and counselling to refer to a class of gender identities formed by a match between an individual's gender identity and the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex.[1] I don't think we should be labeling people according to what society thinks is appropriate behavior. I find this definition particularly offensive to women.

Technical note as well: tags (found at the bottom of the thread) are also generated based on the topic as found in the first post, IIRC.

It doesn't seem to me like anyone here would fit that definition of- an individual's gender identity matching the behavior or role considered appropriate for one's sex. How many people's gender here actually matches with what society expects of us?

And yes I agree on the woman part. The cost of conformity is high for women (as is non-conformity).

I don't know why but I am not comfortable referring to myself as a transsexual. I prefer Trans, Transmasculine Butch and/or Transman.

I find that when I use the term cisgender or cissex, outside of people from the B-F online communities, the listening audience do not know what I am talking about. When I use the term "Biomale," they have a look of instant understanding come across their face.

None of the above
 

I am a femme and I use the term woman if they present as a woman and man if they present as a man unless they tell me they prefer some other pronoun and I use what they ask me to.

I agree and this is also the reason why I used the term cissexed in my opening statement and the poll.

I put cisgendered in the tags because that term is often used in place of cissexed.

I really don't get it, but.....
 

Ok, so I realized that I left out something rather important in the OP to explain the question.

I said:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females").

It was half a sentence. The whole sentence should read:

I am wondering if how we identify impacts what term we like to use when referring to people who are born with XY chromosomes ("males") and XX chromosomes ("females") who feel that they were born in the right body.

Does that help?

Linus, is it possible to add that to the first post?

I like XX female/XY male best. I use cisgender as well, especially irl where its less awkward than saying "non-trans." If I'm talking about XX females or XY males specifically then I'll typically use those, but if I'm talking about non-trans people in general I find it's easier to just say cis irl.

But on the other hand that presents a problem. Mostly when I'm talking about cis people I'm talking about heteronormative/traditionally heterosexual folks who have no conflict between their reproductive organs/secondary sex features and their internal understanding of their own sex/gender, and I think it can be a whole other kettle of fish if cis is used as a generalization for the rest of the LGB community unless an individual identifies with cis specifically.

I really have come to dislike the terms biofemale and biomale. Biology encompasses more than reproductive organs, and given some of the hypotheses about the development of a fetus as "transsexed" in the womb, I'm not sure the words biomale and biofemale cover that.

Done and adjusted. :)

Thank you so much, Linus.