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Andrew, Jr. 02-03-2010 11:31 AM

Senators warned of terrorist attack on US by July
 
On one of my religious sites I came across today, there was a brief statement by Dennis C. Blair, the director of national intelligence. He made this statement yesterday in Washington, DC. Blair stated that within the next 6 months our terror alert has gone to severe because of information from both of what agents found in the field, and the terrorist from Xmas Day. Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, asked Mr. Blair if any other agencies agreed with his view. The CIA and FBI reaffirmed this terror attack on the US by July.

Let's chat about this.

Peace,
Andrew

Toughy 02-03-2010 11:45 AM

In the words of FDR:

there is nothing to fear except fear itself

Does this mean we need to get our duct tape and plastic sheeting out and ready?????

wolfwalker 02-03-2010 11:52 AM

terrorist attack
 
did they recieve an invitation written with gold leaf. Is someone putting up signs, this way to the terrorist attack?

if not, we are fu*ked

dreadgeek 02-03-2010 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 43640)
In the words of FDR:

there is nothing to fear except fear itself

Does this mean we need to get our duct tape and plastic sheeting out and ready?????

I agree with you here. Although I'm sure that there's a lot of 'chatter' that the folks at NSA are picking up on, my level of concern is predicated upon *who* is going to institute the attack. Here's what I mean:

Look at the attacks just since 2001. The one's that are from Al Qaeda 'regulars' (as it were) have been successful. Al Qaeda is competent, capable of pulling off very sophisticated, coordinated strikes and (most importantly) know how to maintain operational security. The other attacks (Richard Reed, this kid at Christmas, etc.) have been half-ass, half-baked attempts by wanna-be's. Now, I'm not saying that they weren't working for Al Qaeda but I suspect that they were thrown out in a "hey, what do we do with this kid who won't go away?" "Send him on this mission. He'll probably blow it but if he doesn't then we'll have struck another blow against the imperialist running-dogs..." The latter group don't keep me up at night. Al Qaeda keeps me up at night because when they strike, they're going to do everything they can to make certain they're successful.

I think we need to be mentally prepared for another attack although the attack I worry about (the one where we lose a major city) is something we cannot, by definition, be prepared for psychically.

Overall, I wouldn't worry too much about this. There's probably something to it but at present, without access, there's no way of knowing what is real and what is shadow-play.

Cheers
Aj

Andrew, Jr. 02-03-2010 12:12 PM

Personally, I am not too worried about the after it is said and done. I am just worried about those who will be severely hurt, injured, whatever. Nobody can ever forget people jumping out the skyscrappers on 9/11 to avoid being burned by the plane fuel. I am worried about children watching in horror. Plus you have to remember we have alot of our support systems in Haiti now.

Al-Qaeda is on a mission. I still don't get why we haven't caught the main man of that group - OB. And yes, we will loose a city. Just a matter of time.

Andrew

dreadgeek 02-03-2010 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfwalker (Post 43644)
did they recieve an invitation written with gold leaf. Is someone putting up signs, this way to the terrorist attack?

Well, in a manner of speaking, if they (the planners) have engaged in ANY electronic communications in the course of their planning then they've done the next best thing to sending a written invitation! There's a reason why OBL stopped using a cell phone. If you send a signal anywhere on this planet, the NSA can pick it up. The NSA's problem isn't so much picking up the signal as separating the signal (information you want to know about what the opposing force is doing/thinking/planning) from the noise (everything else).

I hope that Al Qaeda is being stupid enough to send electronic signals but a long time ago, when the OPFOR wasn't Al Qaeda but the Soviet Union, my commanding officer told me that the other guy didn't owe use the favor of being either stupid or insane.

Cheers
Aj

Sachita 02-03-2010 12:58 PM

It is what it is. I have come to this conclusion. If I cant drive there I probably wont go. I would not want to live in any metro area.

With Al Qaeda they have proven to be very calculating in their planning. If it takes years then it does. I think something will happen very soon. I'm not sure what but it will.

Its wise to be prepared just in case. At least to some extent or as best you can.

Dominique 02-03-2010 01:00 PM

Mounting evidence suggests female suicide bombers are the wave of the future.

MsDemeanor 02-03-2010 01:23 PM

There were several attempted attacks last year. For anyone in the know to state that there would not be attempts in the next six months would be the height of ignorance. Of course there will be attempts, it's an on-going thing now. This is nothing more than business as usual.

Bit 02-03-2010 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 43645)
I think we need to be mentally prepared for another attack although the attack I worry about (the one where we lose a major city) is something we cannot, by definition, be prepared for psychically.

Did you mean psychologically? if you did, I agree; there is no way to prepare for a shock of that magnitude.

On the other hand, if you really meant psychically, well *smiles* yes those of us who are psychic can prepare. Not only that, those of us who are psychic very often do our best to prevent such things from happening, just as those who pray for safety do.


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Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 43653)
And yes, we will loose a city. Just a matter of time.

*gently* You don't actually know that, Andrew. You might believe it, like you believe in love or like you believe in God; but you don't know it for certain like you know that water is wet or fire is hot.

Can you see the difference here? It might be logical to assume that a major city will be lost, but it isn't guaranteed. We don't actually know it.
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My understanding of the way spiritual and psychic energy operate is this: every time someone insists that something bad or negative will happen, it cancels out the energy of their positive requests and/or efforts.

We get what we ask for. That means whatever we put our energy, attention, focus, or beliefs in is what we will get. The more careful we are to avoid insisting that the answer will be no (especially when we don't actually know what the answer will be!), the more we will get what we really want. The more careful we are to focus on positive outcomes and to avoid believing that bad things "have to" happen, the more good things will happen.

This doesn't mean that a person can necessarily avoid life challenges like accidents or illnesses by thinking happy thoughts--hey, sometimes shit happens--but it does mean people can make their lives better by not insisting that bad things have to happen.

And yanno... speaking as one of those psychics who sends a lot of energy towards safety, I appreciate not having to wade through fields of negativity to do my job. :cheesy:


dreadgeek 02-03-2010 03:15 PM

Bit:

I meant mentally prepared. If psychics can keep a nuclear device from exploding, more power to them. I was using psychic to mean mental/psychological and should probably have realized that using the term would cause confusion.

Cheers
Aj



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Originally Posted by Bit (Post 43731)
Did you mean psychologically? if you did, I agree; there is no way to prepare for a shock of that magnitude.

On the other hand, if you really meant psychically, well *smiles* yes those of us who are psychic can prepare. Not only that, those of us who are psychic very often do our best to prevent such things from happening, just as those who pray for safety do.




*gently* You don't actually know that, Andrew. You might believe it, like you believe in love or like you believe in God; but you don't know it for certain like you know that water is wet or fire is hot.

Can you see the difference here? It might be logical to assume that a major city will be lost, but it isn't guaranteed. We don't actually know it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ * ~~~~~~~~~~~~ * ~~~~~~~~~~~~

My understanding of the way spiritual and psychic energy operate is this: every time someone insists that something bad or negative will happen, it cancels out the energy of their positive requests and/or efforts.

We get what we ask for. That means whatever we put our energy, attention, focus, or beliefs in is what we will get. The more careful we are to avoid insisting that the answer will be no (especially when we don't actually know what the answer will be!), the more we will get what we really want. The more careful we are to focus on positive outcomes and to avoid believing that bad things "have to" happen, the more good things will happen.

This doesn't mean that a person can necessarily avoid life challenges like accidents or illnesses by thinking happy thoughts--hey, sometimes shit happens--but it does mean people can make their lives better by not insisting that bad things have to happen.

And yanno... speaking as one of those psychics who sends a lot of energy towards safety, I appreciate not having to wade through fields of negativity to do my job. :cheesy:



suebee 02-03-2010 03:16 PM

*Taking reservations for a lovely vacation in Canada.* :mountie:

Bit 02-03-2010 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 43734)
Bit:

I meant mentally prepared. If psychics can keep a nuclear device from exploding, more power to them. I was using psychic to mean mental/psychological and should probably have realized that using the term would cause confusion.

Cheers
Aj

Well, Aj, maybe some psychics can; I've seen some pretty amazing things lately.

I personally cannot affect the physical world so directly. BUT what I can influence, what I'd like to think I DO influence, is the likelihood of it ever coming to that. You have to follow it backwards from the thing you wish to prevent; you have to think about all the causes of such a thing, layer by layer, and figure out what one small thing you can do that would switch the whole train of events onto some other, more benign, track.

Sometimes the most powerful thing a person can do is to ask those around her to hold onto hope. There is always power in numbers. If a large number of people is determined that safety should prevail, I believe it is more likely to prevail... and in the meantime, if it does nothing else, it creates more positive lives for those people, since hope breeds optimism and creativity.

Curley 02-03-2010 03:41 PM

Depends where in Canada...you should see all the security prep for the Olympics

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012204634.html

Words 02-03-2010 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yellow band (Post 43674)
Mounting evidence suggests female suicide bombers are the wave of the future.

Do you have a link to this evidence?

suebee 02-03-2010 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twinkle toes (Post 43746)
Depends where in Canada...you should see all the security prep for the Olympics

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012204634.html

While all the security forces are out west with you, I'm a gonna host a big freakin' party on the east coast! :)

Actually these threats may have a direct impact on me, as my partner and I live on opposite sides of the Canadian/U.S border and cross almost every day - sometimes several times in a day. Not looking forward to it.

Toughy 02-03-2010 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew, Jr. (Post 43653)
Personally, I am not too worried about the after it is said and done. I am just worried about those who will be severely hurt, injured, whatever. Nobody can ever forget people jumping out the skyscrappers on 9/11 to avoid being burned by the plane fuel. I am worried about children watching in horror. Plus you have to remember we have alot of our support systems in Haiti now.

Al-Qaeda is on a mission. I still don't get why we haven't caught the main man of that group - OB. And yes, we will loose a city. Just a matter of time.

Andrew

Do you worry about those who will be hurt injured whatever from a 7.0+ (I think it's actually and 8.0+) earthquake that is predicated to happen in my lifetime on the San Andreas Fault? Or from some home grown idiot like Tim McVey or whoever the homegrown anthrax person? Or from a Cat 5 hurricane hitting the Gulf Coast or running up the eastern seaboard to New York City? Or the Cat 5 tornado somewhere in tornado alley?

Do you worry about children watching all this violent war and sex crap on prime time TV and in video games and at the movies?

You have to remember the largest majority of our resources/assets are tied up in Iraq and Afghanistan. The large majority of assets on the ground in Haiti are from countries other than the US.

Fred Phelps and Westboro Baptist Church are on a terrorist mission also. So is the KKK. So are many of the neo-nazi groups in Idaho and Washington and Michagan and other strongholds? So are those idiots on the Mexican border who are 'helping' the border patrol.....they used to be called vigilantists.

I remember the 'atomic bomb' scare of the 60's. Kids all over the US (esp the west coast) were terrorized by their own parents, school systems and government. Those godless communist Russians are gonna nuke us. Goldwater ran for President on this idea. We were in Vietnam to stop those red chinese from taking over southeast asia. Build a bomb shelter in your back yard (which became a storage area or rec room later). In case the siren goes off while at school, 'cover your head and get under your desk'. big ole fucking snort In NM we didn't have any of that shit.........my parents and every other adult knew NM would be blown off the face of the earth..........so why scare the children?

Again..............

There is nothing to fear but fear itself.

Dominique 02-03-2010 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Words (Post 43768)
Do you have a link to this evidence?


Yes, in fact I do.

Read on......

http://bit.ly/czAUMW

Andrew, Jr. 02-03-2010 07:22 PM

Toughy,

Let me try to respond to some of your comments.

Fred Phelps interrupted the funeral of a 20 yo soldier who's family was absolutely horrified at the signs, posters, and the hate filled screams that interrupted the funeral service. It happened up the street from my home. The family chose to have their son buried at Arlington (thank God). The father sued and won his case in Federal Court. But as we all know Fred Phelps is still going strong.

In my community, there is a very heavy involvement with the KKK. And I am leaving it at that.

I live less than an 90 min. drive from my home to DC. Plus I live inbetween 2 military bases that store chemical weapons. Once a month for the last 12 years we have had "practice sirens" going off to alert citizens of whatever event.

All of my schools did the drills of hiding under the desks, or going to the basements. In fact, alot of homes still have the cement basements and shelters.


Bit,

You are right about being the one person to show hope. I so learned that from you. There are no promises or guarantees in life. I live in the now.


Namaste,
Andrew

Toughy 02-03-2010 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yellow band (Post 43831)
Yes, in fact I do.

Read on......

http://bit.ly/czAUMW

the comments found after this article just reminded me how ignorant some people are.........and sadly they live in this country.........

If you want security on a plane..........do whatever the Israelis are doing..........nothing happens on their planes.

Say NO to body scans............ignorant crap in the same vein as take your shoes off and putting all your liquids in 3oz bottles in baggies......oh yeah and no bic lights but you can have up to 3 packs of matches.......

AtLast 02-03-2010 08:23 PM

Probably a very ideological take on this, but when do Western nations transform the basis of what we stand for to Muslim nations as a means to thwart terrorist attacks?

Andrew, Jr. 02-04-2010 02:42 PM

Toughy,

The one point you stated is that we should say no to the body scans. I don't understand how the avg. joe can have a body scan at any airport, but for medical reasons is denied. That to me is just wrong. I do understand that.

As for the 3 packs of matches being allowed on a plane? I had no idea that was now allowed.

Heck, anytime I fly, I literally have to strip, and have some guy in security wond me. So, being body scanned would be much faster for me compared to stripping in the airport, then redressing and running for a plane.

Most of the time now, I fed. express my luggage ahead. Carryon is the bare min. I have to have. And I know with fed. exp. nobody is going thru my luggage.

Andrew

Bit 02-04-2010 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 43888)
Probably a very ideological take on this, but when do Western nations transform the basis of what we stand for to Muslim nations as a means to thwart terrorist attacks?

When we start electing common-sense people to all high offices.

dreadgeek 02-04-2010 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 43888)
Probably a very ideological take on this, but when do Western nations transform the basis of what we stand for to Muslim nations as a means to thwart terrorist attacks?

Could you clarify what you mean here? There's a lot of different ways to read this and I'm not sure precisely what you mean. Specifically, what do you mean by "transform the basis of what we stand for..."

Cheers
Aj

AtLast 02-04-2010 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 44283)
Could you clarify what you mean here? There's a lot of different ways to read this and I'm not sure precisely what you mean. Specifically, what do you mean by "transform the basis of what we stand for..."

Cheers
Aj

You bet!

In saying "transform the basis of what we stand for...", I am speaking to the long-term negative, anti-Muslim stance of western nations perceived (and, to me, often, rightly so) by the Muslim world. Our lack of knowledge and down right refusal to become educated about Muslim life and religious perspectives feeds into so much of what fundamentalist Muslim terrorist organizations use to promote strikes agains us and many other western nations.

I in no way can accept the sexist nature of Muslim findamentalism, but also know that we cannot (and should not) be involved in trying to change belief systems of others or their social and political systems.

I honestly feel that in order to get to a place in which we can in part, thwart attacks, respect, knowledge and diplomacy must be utilzed. Having world religion curriculum in our schools is essential in order to combat stereotyping and hatred of Muslims (and other groups, worldwide). Community outreach is essential.

I do believe that we live in a dangerous world concerning terrorism and that taking steps with technology and intelligence gathering is critical. I just don't believe this is the entire answer.

I am riminded of this almost daily as I shop and do other business with Muslim businesses around me (and those with Muslim employees) and witness the obvious hatred of some of the other customers.

Bob 02-04-2010 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 43888)
Probably a very ideological take on this, but when do Western nations transform the basis of what we stand for to Muslim nations as a means to thwart terrorist attacks?

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 44294)
You bet!

In saying "transform the basis of what we stand for...", I am speaking to the long-term negative, anti-Muslim stance of western nations perceived (and, to me, often, rightly so) by the Muslim world. Our lack of knowledge and down right refusal to become educated about Muslim life and religious perspectives feeds into so much of what fundamentalist Muslim terrorist organizations use to promote strikes agains us and many other western nations.

This isn't the basis of what Al-Qaeda and other fundamentalist Muslims are angry about. The root cause is ultimately Israel and our inital and ongoing support of that state.

"In 1998, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri co-signed a fatwa in the name of the World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders which declared the killing of North Americans and their allies an "individual duty for every Muslim" to "liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque (in Jerusalem) and the holy mosque (in Mecca) from their grip"."

This, of course, is the Reason That We Dare Not Name. The creation of the state of Israel in 1947 left thousands of Palestinians homeless, stateless, wounded, and dead. This has continued to the present day. They (and many other Arabs/Muslims) are very very angry about the whole Israel thing, and they are very very angry with us for being their staunchest ally.

Of course, this is all terribly oversimplified. Since 9/11, our entry into Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, Abu Graib, Guantanamo, et al, has given the average Muslim any number of things to be outraged by, without even taking Israel into consideration.

dreadgeek 02-04-2010 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 44294)
You bet!

In saying "transform the basis of what we stand for...", I am speaking to the long-term negative, anti-Muslim stance of western nations perceived (and, to me, often, rightly so) by the Muslim world. Our lack of knowledge and down right refusal to become educated about Muslim life and religious perspectives feeds into so much of what fundamentalist Muslim terrorist organizations use to promote strikes agains us and many other western nations.



I agree in part. Our ignorance of the Muslim world is disconcerting. However, I also think that there's a trap that we could unknowingly stumble upon. I read Salman Rushdie's "The Satanic Verses" because I was curious what he could have said that would make someone put out a fatwa on him. While the book is irreverent there was nothing in there worthy of him having a death sentence put on his head. I did not see the Van Gogh movie that got him murdered in the street but all he did was make a movie about honor killings. And then, of course, there's been the various rows about cartoons showing the Prophet Mohammed. We should be very careful that we do not let others cow us into abandoning a core value.

Quote:

I in no way can accept the sexist nature of Muslim findamentalism, but also know that we cannot (and should not) be involved in trying to change belief systems of others or their social and political systems.
I have to split the difference with you here. I think we have to be prepared to say "this is wrong, I don't care that it's a different culture but mutilating the genitals of young girls is wrong, full-stop". I think we MUST be prepared to do this and it concerns me that perhaps, we are not and, quite honestly, it scares me and makes me a little sad. Can you imagine, for instance, someone saying that Jim Crow was just part of Southern Culture and that while they are glad they don't have to live under that system in, say, Boston we cannot and should not be involved in trying to change that belief system? I can. I can very well imagine it and imagine how different my life could have been. That is why, although I may be called a Western Imperialist for this, I believe that there ARE truly universal human rights and that HUMAN rights trump CULTURES every time. So if some culture X engages in some behavior Y that, if my own culture did the same thing I would be out screaming in the streets (think honor killing, think female genital mutilation), then to be at all consistent I must condemn it in that other culture and take the heat that someone may call me an imperialist. That doesn't mean we invade other nations over their cultural practices but it *does* mean that don't make apologies for it either.

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I honestly feel that in order to get to a place in which we can in part, thwart attacks, respect, knowledge and diplomacy must be utilzed. Having world religion curriculum in our schools is essential in order to combat stereotyping and hatred of Muslims (and other groups, worldwide). Community outreach is essential.
I think that will work for the people who aren't interested in attacking us. I think it might even dissuade some people from joining the camp of those who want to attack us. I don't think it will do *anything* for the people who already want to attack us.

Quote:

I do believe that we live in a dangerous world concerning terrorism and that taking steps with technology and intelligence gathering is critical. I just don't believe this is the entire answer.
Here I would agree. It's not the entire answer but we should be prepared for those situations where it *is* the answer and when it is, we should admit that it will be messy, ugly and painful.

Quote:

I am riminded of this almost daily as I shop and do other business with Muslim businesses around me (and those with Muslim employees) and witness the obvious hatred of some of the other customers.
I would agree with you again although, honestly, I think that hatred of the West in the Muslim world has more to do with US foreign policy and with our rather libertine culture than with how individual Westerners treat individual Muslims in their midst.

Cheers
Aj

Words 02-04-2010 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yellow band (Post 43831)
Yes, in fact I do.

Read on......

http://bit.ly/czAUMW

Hardly a wave.

Anyways. There has indeed been an increase in the number of suicide attacks carried out by womyn. Perhaps the real question here though isn't how many but why.

Words

wolfwalker 02-04-2010 06:23 PM

the Israelis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toughy (Post 43843)
the comments found after this article just reminded me how ignorant some people are.........and sadly they live in this country.........

If you want security on a plane..........do whatever the Israelis are doing..........nothing happens on their planes.

Say NO to body scans............ignorant crap in the same vein as take your shoes off and putting all your liquids in 3oz bottles in baggies......oh yeah and no bic lights but you can have up to 3 packs of matches.......

the israelis don't play around with bullshit. they know who you are before you get to the airport. you must be at their terminal 3 hours preflight. no exceptions. they check all baggage, loaded or carried on. they check you. ID and so on. they double check all information. If the slightest thing is not right.you do not get your ticket and you do not board that plane. and this is their philadelphia terminal. Once you land in Israel, you are checked again. there are armed soldiers everywhere. they are non threatening and quite friendly. however they are not to be fuked with.

add to that, every flight has security personal on board every plane. They take security very seriously.

once out of the airport. there are security check points and armed soldiers on the streets. again, non threatening and friendly but i would not play with them.

I spent 2 weeks in Israel. it was a wonderful trip. I had a very nice time but you become ever mindful of personal safety and security.


wolfwalker

dreadgeek 02-04-2010 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Words (Post 44330)
Hardly a wave.

Anyways. There has indeed been an increase in the number of suicide attacks carried out by womyn. Perhaps the real question here though isn't how many but why.

Words

The why is easy--we don't expect it. If you know your enemy expects you to come by land, drop in by air or come by sea. If you know your enemy expects you to come through the door, go in through a window. If you know your enemy is expecting a man, send a woman.

As my old commanding officer used to say "never assume that the other guy owes you the favor of being either stupid or insane". Having women carry out the attacks that men were carrying out is very good tactics on their part.
Always do that which your opponent isn't expecting you to do and which is within your capabilities to pull off.

Cheers
Aj

Words 02-04-2010 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfwalker (Post 44334)
once out of the airport. there are security check points and armed soldiers on the streets. again, non threatening and friendly but i would not play with them. wolfwalker

Unless you happen to be a Palestinian in which case expect to be stopped every 500 meters or so 'just because'. Blue (Jerusalem ID)? You might get away with a frisking and a lil' bit of taunting. Orange (West Bank) ID and no permit? God help you.

Words 02-04-2010 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadgeek (Post 44336)
The why is easy--we don't expect it. If you know your enemy expects you to come by land, drop in by air or come by sea. If you know your enemy expects you to come through the door, go in through a window. If you know your enemy is expecting a man, send a woman.

As my old commanding officer used to say "never assume that the other guy owes you the favor of being either stupid or insane". Having women carry out the attacks that men were carrying out is very good tactics on their part.
Always do that which your opponent isn't expecting you to do and which is within your capabilities to pull off.

Cheers
Aj


AJ,

With all due respect, that's too easy an answer. Yes, more womyn are being recruited to carry out attacks for strategic purposes, but surely you have to ask yourself not only why some womyn are agreeing to do it but also why some womyn are even volunteering to do it. No?

That's the 'why' I was talking about.

Words

Selenay 02-04-2010 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Words (Post 44346)
AJ,

With all due respect, that's too easy an answer. Yes, more womyn are being recruited to carry out attacks for strategic purposes, but surely you have to ask yourself not only why some womyn are agreeing to do it but also why some womyn are even volunteering to do it. No?

That's the 'why' I was talking about.

Words

Why does anyone agree to do it?

Why do our men and women sign up for the armed services?

Because they so firmly believe in something that they are willing to fight for it.

I was in a Violence and Terror class, once, and then a course on the Psychology of Terrorism. One of the most serious things I took away from that course was the following exchange.

We were asked to raise our hands if there was something we would kill for--a person, an idea, an object.

Then, we were asked if there was something we would die for, or to protect.

Then, we were asked if they were the same thing.

If what you are willing to kill for and what you are willing to die for are the same. . . You have the potential to be a suicide bomber.


It's all in how you look at things. . .

Words 02-04-2010 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Selenay (Post 44354)


Why does anyone agree to do it?

Why do our men and women sign up for the armed services?

Because they so firmly believe in something that they are willing to fight for it.

I was in a Violence and Terror class, once, and then a course on the Psychology of Terrorism. One of the most serious things I took away from that course was the following exchange.

We were asked to raise our hands if there was something we would kill for--a person, an idea, an object.

Then, we were asked if there was something we would die for, or to protect.

Then, we were asked if they were the same thing.

If what you are willing to kill for and what you are willing to die for are the same. . . You have the potential to be a suicide bomber.


It's all in how you look at things. . .


I agree. Add to the above the sheer desperation factor and you end up with stories like these...

http://www.aztlan.net/women_martyrs.htm

apretty 02-04-2010 09:04 PM

i think the only obvious answer is to start building bomb shelters.

Queerasfck 02-04-2010 09:17 PM

heightened sensations.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by apretty (Post 44442)
i think the only obvious answer is to start building bomb shelters.

It's definitely ELEVATED here.

Words 02-05-2010 03:00 AM

Dress,

What I'm getting at is that the West is treating the symptoms of the disease called terrorism not the cause. Which of course, it will never do because as someone has already pointed out, right at the center - amongst other things - you find the situation in Israel. And so the attacks continue.

I don't approve of suicide attacks. Hell, I don't approve of violence in any form. But I do understand, having lived amongst people who literally have nothing to live for, why they happen.

Words

Dominique 02-05-2010 06:32 AM

more on woman suicide bombers
 
Read about a woman who tells the story of how her father tried to make her into a suicide bomber.

http://news.bbc.co.uk

Article is under features on front page.

dreadgeek 02-05-2010 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Words (Post 44346)
AJ,

With all due respect, that's too easy an answer. Yes, more womyn are being recruited to carry out attacks for strategic purposes, but surely you have to ask yourself not only why some womyn are agreeing to do it but also why some womyn are even volunteering to do it. No?

That's the 'why' I was talking about.

Words

Ahh, I thought you were asking the operational 'why' question and not the psychological 'why'. As you and a number of others have pointed out, the motivation appears to be identical to the motivation of male suicide bombers.

Cheers
Aj

apretty 02-05-2010 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Words (Post 44642)

I don't approve of suicide attacks. Hell, I don't approve of violence in any form. But I do understand, having lived amongst people who literally have nothing to live for, why they happen.

Words

agreed, the most dangerous man is one with nothing left to lose. (which i'm pretty sure is why we/any country gives just enough aid to not make much of a difference.)


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