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Law and Order: SVU with Special Guest Kathy Griffin as lesbian
A sneak peak at next week's show. I think a lot of people have the hots of Olivia and I'll be curious to see what Kathy's character is all about.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvBmUR9iXHE"]YouTube- SVU Sneak Peek Kathy Griffin and Mariska Hargitay Kiss[/ame] |
I don't think I like the way that clip ended, but interesting for sure. There's also a lesbian on Desperate Housewives now. She's an ex stripper/exotic dancer/lap dancer. I found this especially interesting because I've known a number of lesbians who were or are into this same profession. I've never quite understood how that happens, but I know for sure that it does. We really are in every walk of life |
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I'm hoping the fact that they included something so blatently homophobic is a sign that Olivia will coming over to our side. :awww: |
WOW!!! Talk about a fantasy for us!
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I really enjoy Law & Order: SVU so I am really looking forward to this show. I just hope that Kathy Griffin does us proud. |
It's actually rather simple, as an ex told me...
They can stare, stuff the green in g-string, but no Touchy...not even for lapdance, if the client touches, the Dance is over{at least, in the place she was in}... Bouncers make sure the rules are followed... Once she gets dressed, walks out the doors, she leaves the Job where it belongs. It can be rough, but Trust is tantamount for things to work with a Stripping girl... Back to SVU, looking forward to it, my relatives often ask why do I watch it if some episodes can be Triggering.. I just shrug and tell them it's kind of therapeutic... {btw, if Olivia comes "our" way, more reason to watch finally heh} :mohawk: |
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I have never watched Law and Order. I did hear about the upcoming Lesbian character recently on a T.V. interview with Kathy Griffin.
I enjoy Kathy Griffins stand up routines. I am holding out hope that the lesbian character she is to portray will not be characterized as the mentally ill, wanton evil lesbian. At first glance of this clip, things don't look too good. |
is it me or is the crew laughing
I can hear the crew laughing in the back ground..or am I hearing things. When she said ellen,joan crawford, calmity jane ..(laughter) balance check book throw in suszie orman (laughter)
I'm sure there were alot of laughs with her on the set |
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Interesting.. I have too known a couple as well. I have wondered the same thing. But, seems that a lot of women do the stripper/exotic dancer thing while young to just make some good money (many college students). So, why wouldn't a lesbian when i really think about it. These dancers are really not prostitutes. So, like the other poster said, the whole sex with men (or just sex, period) thing isn't a factor. |
I don't like when straights play queers
Didn't like it in 'Milk', didn't like it on 'Will and Grace', didn't like it on that lesbian Showtime show, didn't like it on that gay Showtime show, and it appears, I won't like it here either. There's plenty of queers to go around (oh mah lord, even into movies and television!) It's insulting and privileged and homophobic I'm Also Bothered By Law And Order SVU...But That's Another Story, Dylan...crabby about the whole thing |
Well....there's a whole lotta buzz about Maristra Harkitray being a big ole closet case. A later-even-than-Jodi coming out situation. But I don't really see it.
What I see is a couple of hets putting on the lezface cluelessly for a bunch of clueless non-lesbians. What is it about lesbianism that makes non-lesbians feel so confident about portraying us, embodying us, exploiting us, co-opting us? Oh right. The woman thing. http://lh5.ggpht.com/jacqui.russell/...5BUNSET%5D.jpg |
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Bummer you couldn't appreciate how fucking amazing Sean Penn was in Milk. |
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However, I don't like when straights play queer. There's plenty of queers who can act...yet here's a straight guy winning an academy award for playing queer. It's insulting to queers. All of the major actors in that movie were straight, and that's bothersome to me. Dylan |
Hmmm, I tend to get my L&O: SVU on re-runs, but I might have to check this one out live. I looooovvveee Mariska Hargitay. The only person I adore more on the TV screen is Melina Kanakaredes, who plays Stella on CSI:NY. (mmmm).
And just from that bit...wow, they're really setting it up as freaking Olivia out because her reaction doesn't seem typical of her character. (At least what it's showing in that little bit). Dylan, what don't you like about this show? (Not the specific episode?) |
[QUOTE=Cyclopea;58124]Well....there's a whole lotta buzz about Maristra Harkitray being a big ole closet case. A later-even-than-Jodi coming out situation. But I don't really see it.
What I see is a couple of hets putting on the lezface cluelessly for a bunch of clueless non-lesbians. What is it about lesbianism that makes non-lesbians feel so confident about portraying us, embodying us, exploiting us, co-opting us? Oh right. The woman thing. QUOTE] They're called "actors". Because they act. Nobody here would criticize a gay actor for portraying a straight person. C'mon! |
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I think a lot of these shows explore this sort of stuff not for ratings as much as to explore it within the art. The Law and Order franchise does a little of both. |
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Dylan |
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I don't have a problem with straight people playing gay parts. It wasn't that long ago that straight people were scared to take gay roles because they were afraid of their careers. Famous straight actors taking on high profile gay parts, I think, helps all queers all over the world. Actors are no longer afraid to take on this role. Middle America gets their eyes opened a bit. You don't think Tom Hanks playing that role in Philadelphia helped us all lurch forward politically a few steps? And many of these actors use their time, money and position to support gay rights. I am in no way offended when any straight actor takes a queer role. Consider this - there might be a lot of die hard Sean Penn fans who went to see Milk because he was in it. They came of the movies with an education about Milk and what he did. THe movie made Milk a person and it showed the long hard road of gay rights activism. Tom Hanks humanized AIDS. People saw that film. Saw Hanks in that film. And it changed many viewpoints about AIDS and the queer community. Rufus |
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It was done with women (men playing women, aka drag); it was done with Black people (black face); it's done with differently abled people all the time; and it's now the rage to do it with queers. It's another subtle form of privilege and oppression. It plays off of stereotypes and perpetuates a negative image. It also keeps 'real' queers oppressed, by telling real queers they're not 'good enough' to even play queer. So, now we have hets exploiting and making money off of the queer community even more. Dylan |
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Now if you want to argue that an actor shouldn't be discriminated against BECAUSE he or she is gay, then that's a whole 'nother matter. But this thread is about an established character in one of the most popular shows on U.S. television possibly coming out as a lesbian. I fail to see how that's a bad thing, unless she grows a mullet and starts wearing Birkinstocks and insists that her squad car be only a Subaru or a Volvo. End of mini :floatbee: rant. |
Dylan, I understand what you're saying, but to me, it makes more sense to get the message out (ie, make queers more visibile in positive ways ) -- regardless of with whom.
Do you think Milk would have been as good without someone as dynamic as Penn in that role? I can't think of a queer actor that could have done it that justice. From that clip of Olivia, it looks like she has a bad reaction, and who knows if she will come out. I don't think she will, but Sue is right -- it will make more of a lasting impression on viewers if it's someone you already know rather than a one-show wonder that you don't invest yourself in. I also think regardless of whether Olivia comes out, I think her attitude will be less hostile because her character is not geared that way. One example that sticks out for me was in Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had two lesbians on it. Willow was a main character from the inception and people went right along with it when she came out and started dating a woman. It meant more than if they had just dropped a dyke in there for a one-two espisode arc. (On a side note: I would have rather seen the Buffy/Faith characters have at it. *grin* But that's just me having the hots for Eliza Dushku (Faith). ) |
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Something that occured to me after I posted: It would be more important in this situation IMO if there were a gay or lesbian writer than actor.
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I agree on both counts. But it was at least progress having two lesbians in prime time that weren't nutso. |
I don't watch Law & Order. The addition of Kathy Griffin will not change my mind - especially since I just cannot stand her. Never liked her, doubt I ever will.
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It's kind of touchy to have a gay/lesbian portray a gay character on primetime...
Ask Ellen... btw.. B.D. Wong portrays a gay Psychiatrist on Law & Order {Dr. Huang}... If I understand his pvt life correctly.. He's openly gay in real-life David Hyde Pierce came out Recently, in support related to Prop 8.. He portrayed Niles Crane on Frasier, a neurotic Hetero psychiatrist constantly the butt of jokes regarding his true sexuality... Neil Patrick Harris JR, portrays a Promiscuous heterosexual Womanizer on "How I met your Mother" Wanda Sykes recently came out, for the same reason as David, she's one of the couples that married before Prop 8 passed... The list can keep growing... But, I dont think that's the point... Tom Hanks portrayed an AIDS-afflicted Lawyer.. Was he belittling the character? Nope..On the contrary.. He created a much more mainstream Awareness... So did Hillary Swank as Brandon Teena And Sean Penn as Harvey Milk Each one recieving a well deserved Acadamy Award...Each giving credit to their Character, and our Struggle for awareness/Equality |
Let's not forget T.D. Knight, a gay actor who portrayed George, a heterosexual doctor on Grey's Anatomy. Although he was completely out in his private life, his sexuality became mainstream news when one of his cooworkers, Issah Washington got into fight with one of the other actors on the set of the show over Washington's use of the "f" word to characterize Knight. Washington was subsequently dropped from the hit show. He didn't help his cause when he repeatedly tried to justify his used of the "f" word, saying that where he grew up it meant "weak" (oh, and here we thought you we being insulting! WTF?). I saw him and his wife doing the "some of our best friends are gay" routine on a couple of interviews.
Yup. We need more mainstream gay and lesbian characters on television and in the movies. Has anyone noticed that the last couple of times that Kathy Bates has played a secondary role in a movie her character has been lesbian - and her orientation played no part at all in the plot. Just like a "normal" person! |
What night is this airing? My memory is pretty much shot now. :blink:
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Jesus, that clip sounds and looks like it was written by the
National Organization for Marriage, the makers of the 'Gathering Storm' ads. People will tune in just to see if Kathy Griffin gets her toaster. |
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It looks to me, like relationship time for ..whatsherface :) Nice ! |
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I want my money back
I read this whole thread hoping to find out what might be at all compelling in this as a topic.
Maybe we could just talk some more about Meredith Baxter Birney. |
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Rocket science, yuk yuk. |
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I'm Going With B, Dylan |
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