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Merlin 05-08-2011 05:13 PM

Clothes do not Maketh the butch ....
 
Or do they ?

How important is clothing to you ?

amiyesiam 05-08-2011 05:18 PM

clothes do not make the femme
or do they

it matters to some
it doesn't matter to some

it is individual

i am to busy worrying about being me to worry about what others think about me

The_Lady_Snow 05-08-2011 05:28 PM

Butch is a gender no? The shell does not represent gender, that's just me

Merlin 05-08-2011 05:29 PM

People argue with me here butch is a look not a gender, I also get told I chose to be this way .. :sunglass:

Corkey 05-08-2011 05:53 PM

Merlin, clothes don't make anyone any gender, one is who one is and those who can't or wont accept you for you need a checklist for their own BS. K?

We all are who we are and those who matter could give a rats ass, and those who don't, you don't give a second thought to. SSWA (so say we all).

You be the best HUMAN you can and to hockey pucks what anyone else thinks.

Daywalker 05-08-2011 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335301)
Or do they ?

How important is clothing to you ?

I prefer to be wearing some.
:|

Bending minds ~ Shapeshifting theories.

It's up to all of us to bury those rusty ways of thinking.

:deepthoughts:

I mean, unless I am walking around covered in a box, I prefer not to
be placed in one either; so actively challenging the antiquated
theories that have managed to spill over into
this day and age is surely one way
to keep things interesting.
:coffee:

My attire and general appearance is a style all it's own.
:vampirebat:

Makes me shudder to think that the way a shirt buttons up the front,
left or right...can pull the weight of judgement from society.
:dots:

Lots of thoughts on this, but it'll have
to wait...as mah schedule is full of :ohm: today.

:weedsmoke:

:daywalker:






Rope 05-08-2011 07:15 PM

Clothes don't make you a butch...plenty that defy that based on their own personal style (or lack of style <g>), or their gender bending wearing both male and female clothes, or however it works for them, etc. Not all butches want to wear ties or boxer briefs or whatever you might use as the barometer to measure "butchness".

In the leather community we can spot s/m folks---yeah, in this case stands for stand and model s/m rather than actual leather folk. Leather folks don't all own leather clothing and leather clothing certainly does not make you a leather community person or someone that understands what earning one's leathers means.

Rope--

LaneyDoll 05-08-2011 09:10 PM

I have never passed up a gift because of the gift wrap. If my S/O treats me well. they can certainly dress as they desire. Now, if they specifically ask me to shop for them/dress them, I will certainly do so. I have dated a few women who prefer that I do the shopping simply because I liked to do it and they would rather not.

As a femme, I have had plenty of times that I was judged because of my appearance. I would not, have not and refuse to do the same.

Daktari 05-09-2011 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335319)
People argue with me here butch is a look not a gender, I also get told I chose to be this way .. :sunglass:

I'd be very surprised if anyone in the bf community over on this side of the pond have said that butch is not a gender! People in mainstream lezzer-land would possibly say such a thing though.

Merlin 05-09-2011 04:41 AM

They have to me doc.

Daktari 05-09-2011 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335538)
They have to me doc.


Really Merlin? I can't say I've ever heard that from any of the bf community I know here.

EnderD_503 05-09-2011 11:21 AM

Even if the whole world were suddenly forced to wear tinfoil jumpsuits every day for the rest of eternity, butches would still be butches. Same with everyone else continuing to be whatever they might identify as. Butch is an identity, not a pair of jeans or a hair cut.

Legendryder 05-09-2011 11:34 AM

My take on clothing is I refuse to look like a slob. Unless of course I am out working on the bike or car or mowing the lawn. I dress neatly. Period. I will not wear clothes with holes, no matter how trendy it might be. I prefer men's button shirts, not because they are men's, but because they just fit better. I have long arms and legs, women's clothes do not fit me. I also have no boobs to speak of, so those darts just look silly. Just sayin'.

Bit 05-09-2011 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merlin (Post 335319)
People argue with me here butch is a look not a gender, I also get told I chose to be this way .. :sunglass:

How dismissive. I'm sorry that's happened to you.

In my experience over on this side of the pond, people have said such things--or the equivalent: that a femme cannot wear men's clothing without magically turning herself into a butch--because they have rigid ideas about the meaning of "butch" and "femme." Some people have been open to a discussion and to broadening that definition; some people have used it as a wall of defense to avoid talking about it, a way to categorize and dismiss me.

Mostly these days I don't run into such nonsense anymore. Hope it gets better for you, too.

Apocalipstic 05-09-2011 01:14 PM

People sometimes give way too much of their opinion! So sorry people tell you you should dress this way or that. It happened to me too in my younger days, now I just refuse to engage.

Do clothes make the Butch? no.

Do I love to be out with a well dressed Butch? Hell yes! :)

AtLast 05-09-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnderD_503 (Post 335641)
Even if the whole world were suddenly forced to wear tinfoil jumpsuits every day for the rest of eternity, butches would still be butches. Same with everyone else continuing to be whatever they might identify as. Butch is an identity, not a pair of jeans or a hair cut.

Yup- an identity, an attitude... whatever one wants it to be for themselves!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendryder (Post 335645)
My take on clothing is I refuse to look like a slob. Unless of course I am out working on the bike or car or mowing the lawn. I dress neatly. Period. I will not wear clothes with holes, no matter how trendy it might be. I prefer men's button shirts, not because they are men's, but because they just fit better. I have long arms and legs, women's clothes do not fit me. I also have no boobs to speak of, so those darts just look silly. Just sayin'.

I wear a mix of clothing- some men's. some women's- I agree, what fits and I feel good in, is the key. Also, I am with you about sloppiness- but, sure, when doing yardwork, house panting, etc., I wear my grungies. Don't care for the sloppy look on anyone- butch/trans/femme... hets... anyone! probably a bias of mine, but, grooming is something I do notice.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Corkey (Post 335333)
Merlin, clothes don't make anyone any gender, one is who one is and those who can't or wont accept you for you need a checklist for their own BS. K?

We all are who we are and those who matter could give a rats ass, and those who don't, you don't give a second thought to. SSWA (so say we all).

You be the best HUMAN you can and to hockey pucks what anyone else thinks.

Yeah!! Wear what you like and feel comfy in!

EnderD_503 05-09-2011 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendryder (Post 335645)
My take on clothing is I refuse to look like a slob. Unless of course I am out working on the bike or car or mowing the lawn. I dress neatly. Period. I will not wear clothes with holes, no matter how trendy it might be. I prefer men's button shirts, not because they are men's, but because they just fit better. I have long arms and legs, women's clothes do not fit me. I also have no boobs to speak of, so those darts just look silly. Just sayin'.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 335685)
I wear a mix of clothing- some men's. some women's- I agree, what fits and I feel good in, is the key. Also, I am with you about sloppiness- but, sure, when doing yardwork, house panting, etc., I wear my grungies. Don't care for the sloppy look on anyone- butch/trans/femme... hets... anyone! probably a bias of mine, but, grooming is something I do notice.

Alright, just wanna jump in because there seems to be a reoccuring "anti-'sloppy'" theme on these forums, lol. Seriously, I understand if you all don't like to dress a certain way, but why does it have to come down to commenting about how other's might choose to dress, even if it is "sloppy" in your books? Is a person in a pair of slacks and a polo automatically "better" than a person in torn up jeans and a sleeveless shirt? Also, there's a difference in grooming/hygiene and the clothing a person chooses to wear. Just because I have multiple holes in my pair of camos, or the bottoms of my jeans are shredded to shit, doesn't mean I'm unhygienic. Sheesh, people :p

From the mouths of the greats:

Distrust any enterprise that requires new clothes. - Henry David Thoreau

It is an interesting question how far men would retain their relative rank if they were divested of their clothes. - Henry David Thoreau

Sell your clothes and keep your thoughts. - Henry David Thoreau

He also has a great one from Walden where he goes on rant on how it's idiotic that a man is looked down upon if he walks into town with a hole in the knee of his pants, yet if he had a broken leg no one would care. Why does a hole in the knee of his pants speak of his character? It shouldn't.

If most of us are ashamed of shabby clothes and shoddy furniture, let us be more ashamed of shabby ideas and shoddy philosophies... It would be a sad situation if the wrapper were better than the meat wrapped inside it. - Albert Einstein

In fact, that one just might be new sig material lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtLastHome (Post 335685)
Yeah!! Wear what you like and feel comfy in!

Exactly ;) To me, dress "neatly" if you want to dress that way. Dress in a suit every day of your life if you want. Dress in sweatpants every day if you want. Walk around in a brown paper bag for all I care, lol.

Cheers,

Ender, King of shabby clothing :canadian:

Daywalker 05-09-2011 02:07 PM

I can be seen about the neighborhood wearing jammies
under mah long black jackets. No socks, slip on Zombie
shoes...and barely a rake thru mah mane.
:shocking:

I clean up good when I care to,
but the rest of the time it's all about my comfort.
:coffee:

Oh, and winter time I wear huge puffy gorilla
and talon slippers to the store.
:vampirebat:

So there.

:|

:daywalker:

Daktari 05-09-2011 02:11 PM

It's funny, I met up with a gaydargirl I've chatted with for years the other day and she thought it highly amusing, and was surprised for some reason, that I was wearing a pink tshirt. Apparently only girls wear pink! :cheesy:

Apocalipstic 05-09-2011 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Incubus (Post 335710)
It's funny, I met up with a gaydargirl I've chatted with for years the other day and she thought it highly amusing, and was surprised for some reason, that I was wearing a pink tshirt. Apparently only girls wear pink! :cheesy:

When I was little I insisted on a blue bedroom. Everyone was shocked and stunned.

Colors are just colors...seeems so silly!


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