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What influences the order of names in a couple?
This came up on another thread and made me curious. We refer to our community as Butch-Femme not Femme-Butch. We usually refer to Medusa and Jack, not usually Jack and Medusa. But lets broaden it. Why is it: ~Lucy and Ricky but Fred and Ethel? ~Meg Ryan and Dennis Quaid but Tom Cruise and <insert woman here>? ~ Howard and Marion Cunningham but Joanie and Chachi? ~Ross and Rachel but Monica and Chandler? ~Richard Burton and Liz Taylor but Liz Taylor and Eddie Fisher? So, if you are thinking harder, think about couples in YOUR life, your family, your own relationship......is there a customary order for the names or are they interchangeable? Either way, what do you think influenced a particular order or an interchangeable order? Is there a sexism component? A real or preceived power component? Does one just sound better/flow better than the other? Age? Tradition? Something else? Inquiring minds are curious. |
i dunno if i think real hard about it,but for me there are several factors...if i have known one longer than the other..what order sounds better to me..i know with Jo and I i put it like that,and even she puts it like that "Jo and Scoote"..as far as actors/actresses its just whomever i feel is more popular. Angie and Brad are interchangeable to me,but Bert and Ernie is not.
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I think that June hit the nail on the head for me when she said that in some cases it is a function of who I have the primary relationship with.
For my sister and her husband, I use her name first, for example. In thinking about my relationships with same sex couples, I think it is a function of primary relationship, but is also a function of what I hear others call the couple, or sometimes is simply a function of what sounds most pleasing to my ears <shrug>. These are my best guesses, anyway. P.S. Most of my same sex couple friends are androgynous, with neither being more masculine than the other. |
Same here regarding whom I knew first or have/had a primary relationship with. Guess I never really thought about it before.
I think Kobi's examples of famous couples is interesting in that for me, whomever was the more popular at the time, came first. |
This is interesting and actually i can remember being a child and wondering the same thing. I can remember my mom and dad talking about my aunts and uncles and like you are saying..there was a flow to the names and saying them opposite didn't sound right.
One thing i figured out, at least in my family, we said our family member first and then the "married into the family" name. As in uncle david aunt jackie (David being my father's brother) or Aunt Faye and Uncle Kirby (Faye being my father's sister). That is one thing. Then on the flip side if my concept is correct, the families of the "married" people would say it opposite. As far as famous people. I know this rule doesn't apply ALL the time for sure but it seems the more famous the person or more prominate in a show that name comes first. It's just one way to look at it i think. Elvis and Priscilla Bill and Hillary Pebbles and BamBam Great thread. |
Fred and Ginger, and Ginger was the one backwards in high heels.
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We are often referred to as The Daywalkers or The Days. :vampirebat: Otherwise it comes out as Mr n Mrs Daywalker. Primarily it is my social practices that brings this about, as I may or may not be one chatty muther fucker. :phonegab: :daywalker: |
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Its interesting to see the answers here. In my own life I have similiar perceptions for the most part. A relative always comes before their spouse. The person I know better comes before their partner. Sometimes, if I know them long enough, they become interchangeable. The only exception, that I can think of at the moment, is one brother. His wife always comes first. And, for me, that is because she holds the power....no matter how macho he tries to be. |
Well I can tell ya it's always bugged me that the " male " is always listed first on formal documents.
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Most of the time I just go with what flows better...or like others have said who I have known longer. |
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No doubt there are some that are listed as you say....but not all of them. :rrose: |
Same here, in regards to family, it's the blood relative first then the married into after. As far as friends go I generally say the most dominant partners name first whether the dominant partner is male or female, femme or butch, etcetcetc, it matters not who the dominant partner is.
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i also do it in order of respect...even in my family..if i respect the non relative more i will put their name first
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Ummmmm....... NO!!!! Andrea |
In my family people also go by who is a direct family member. My mum has brothers and no sisters, and we always use her brothers' names before their wives, with the exception of the eldest brother. For some reason it can go either way with him and his wife. My father has all sisters and no brothers, so his sisters names were always used before their husbands'. Same with cousins etc.
As far as friends, I always use my friends names first over their partners, just because I've known them longer and am not usually friends with their partners as far as I don't really keep contact if they break up. With people I met as couples, it can either be that I'll refer to the partner I talk most to, or they'll be interchangeable. |
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Well I am a firm believer we are more of a Femme led community. As for the outside world outside of here, I think we are and should be a matriarch run world. That's just my wee opinion. |
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It's kinda funny, it just occurred to me that when referencing you two I say "Snowy n Grant..." Yet, in mah phone U are programmed in as Grant n Snowy. :thinking: It was cuz when U dropped yer other number n the new one was the Florida...I figured U were using Grants phone. :weedsmoke: :daywalker: |
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Isn't that a bit of a sexist assumption? It's my phone, the other is a work phone, and the other our house phone. hmmm.. |
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Sssseeeeeeeeeeeeeee! :shocking: Wait. :| I don't have yer house number. :eyebrow: Is this a trick thread? :| :daywalker: |
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