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					Originally Posted by  betenoire
					 
				 
				You get that being a woman (trans or otherwise) is a sex, and that butch and femme are genders, and that straight is a sexual orientation....right? 
 
butch, femme, straight, queer, artistic, conservative, sporty, aggressive...those are different ways of being a woman.  yes. 
 
but transwoman and non-trans woman?  those are not two different ways of being a woman.  your sex is your sex.  period. 
			
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 Yes Betenoire, I am perfectly clear on all of that.
People keep talking about man in these discussions when I think they are really talking about male.
Man and woman are gender.  Male and female are biological sex.
Edit: actually I think of woman as gender, so I don't agree with the first part of what you said.  Female is biological sex, woman is gender.